Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 6

JetBuddy · Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:31 pm

Welcome to the forums!

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
Engines are now being installed on the first A321neo (MSN 6673) in XFW.

Can't wait to see how she looks fully painted and with the engines. Is it a P&W powered one? I think the larger engine diameter will make the A321 look really great.

starbucks · Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 50):
Is it a P&W powered one?

Correct!

Really looking forward to this one as well!

mfranjic · Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:36 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 50):
Quoting mfranjic (Reply 46):...
Welcome to the forums!

Thank You a lot, JetBuddy!

Quoting starbucks (Reply 51):

Quoting JetBuddy,reply=50:
Is it a P&W powered one?

Correct!
Really looking forward to this one as well!

I agree with You completely, starbucks.

I am sure it is not difficult to find a connection between the lower two images and conclude that the engines installed (information that KarelXWB told us) on the first A321neo test aircraft are Pratt & Whitney´s engines, indeed. I suppose those engines, installed on the first A321neo prototype, could be those with the higher thrust - PW1133G-JM, certainly intended for the customers´ A321neo-s.

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Nice regards to forum members and readers

Mario

P.S. Karel, I really hope You won´t mind I was so free to use a part of Your great photo (Reply 20), here, in my post.

KarelXWB · Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:01 am

Meanwhile the first P&W A320neo is doing additional runway tests.

817Dreamliiner · Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:54 pm

A321neo in paint:

Airbus A321neo D-AVXA by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

LH707330 · Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 7):
Quoting starbucks (Reply 6):
The "tiny" problem is in a seal in the high pressure compressor

Thanks for the clarification on this. I take it that tiny bits breaking loose from the high pressure turbine could cause havoc on their way through the combustion chambers and the compressor stages. Thanks again!

If an improperly built oil stub pipe can make a serious play at bringing down an A380, then I'd rather see PW be careful...

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 11):
Is there any way to distinguish the Leap from the GTF from this position?

Other than the size, the fan color gives it away a bit: the Leap has a slightly darker carbon fan. Same way to tell the GE from RR 787 engines. Since the 777 standardized the unmixed flow with the exhaust cone sticking out, it's gotten much more difficult to tell engines apart. The 787 and A380 are particularly challenging.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):
The first A321neo emerged from the final assembly line:

...but no sign of an A319 yet? Hmmm. I wonder what the marginal cost of the 319neo is and how many units they need to flog to get it to pay for itself.

KarelXWB · Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:04 pm

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 55):
but no sign of an A319 yet?

Final assembly of the first A319neo will start at the end of the year.

EPA001 · Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting LH707330 (Reply 55):
Other than the size, the fan color gives it away a bit: the Leap has a slightly darker carbon fan. Same way to tell the GE from RR 787 engines.

That I had not noticed yet. Thanks for that info.

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ams747757 · Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 54):
A321neo in paint:

Airbus A321neo D-AVXA by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

I can't wait until the engines are on. That is already one good looking plane!

JetBuddy · Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:20 pm

Are there any modifications to the gear on the neo vs the ceo? I dont think it is since Airbus were forward thinking when designing the aircraft, but just thought I'd ask.

Also I wonder if the double bogie main landing gear is an option on the neo?

mjoelnir · Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:20 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 59):
Are there any modifications to the gear on the neo vs the ceo? I dont think it is since Airbus were forward thinking when designing the aircraft, but just thought I'd ask.

Also I wonder if the double bogie main landing gear is an option on the neo?

There are no modification of the gear between the neo and ceo. The double boogie main landing gear was an option on the A320 only and has not been an option for quite a while.

ODwyerPW · Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:43 pm

The A321 really is the most attractive member of the A32x family. Should be interesting to see how this plane is used by many carriers.

gatibosgru · Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:50 pm

The A320NEO looks great with the bigger engines. Agree with those who said that the A321NEO will be stunning!

pugman211 · Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:13 pm

First A320 neo for Lufthansa, components have been seen for this a/c.

pugman211 · Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:49 pm

Next A321 neo test aircraft, the frame for LEAP engines is preparing for FAL start in the coming months. Only 2 neo test frames left now, both A319's.

KarelXWB · Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:43 am

The Leap powered A320neo is back after a two-week break:

http://fr24.com/AIB40EW/6cf4724

Aviaponcho · Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:48 am

Was supposed to be an engine change (per aspire aviation)
Strange that there where no ground runs ?
Direct flight ? with new engines ?

sirtoby · Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:53 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 65):
The Leap powered A320neo is back after a two-week break:

The last flight was on Jun 26th, so almost three weeks ago. Does not look like a routine and planned engine change...

starbucks · Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 66):
Strange that there where no ground runs ?

Ground runs for the A320neo's don't always show up, there was an RTO before take off for AIB40EW

Aviaponcho · Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:24 am

All right, thanks

So now we wait for the PW1100G back in the air !

KarelXWB · Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:36 am

MSN 6419 is doing some tests at Istres.

KarelXWB · Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:49 pm

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 67):
Does not look like a routine and planned engine change...

See http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...esumes-tests-after-upgrade-414856/

mffoda · Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 71):

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 67):
Does not look like a routine and planned engine change...

See http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...esumes-tests-after-upgrade-414856/

This is somewhat strange?

"The upgraded P&W engines have been shipped by the powerplant manufacturer are scheduled to arrive at Airbus, having been podded, at the end of this month."

The GTF neo is basically AOG waiting on this engine fix and they say it has shipped. But wait, it won't get there until the end of the month?? How did they ship it?

Maybe the USPS?

bycac · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:01 pm

AIB45EW this afternoon :

JetBuddy · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:11 pm

After the testing is done and all the A320neo types are certified with both engine types, will the test equipment be removed and the aircraft sold to the airlines? I know some early builds are often not on spec and too heavy and not optimized, but the neo is not an all new design.

starbucks · Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 74):
and the aircraft sold to the airlines?

MSN6101 (the very first neo, P&W engines) will replace the very first A320 (MSN001) as Airbus' in house test aircraft, after that MSN001 will be retired and hopefully be preserved (and if preserved it will be likely in AeroScopia)

The other prototypes I expect to be reconfigured and sold like with the Sharklet prototypes

JetBuddy · Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 75):
MSN6101 (the very first neo, P&W engines) will replace the very first A320 (MSN001) as Airbus' in house test aircraft, after that MSN001 will be retired and hopefully be preserved (and if preserved it will be likely in AeroScopia)

The other prototypes I expect to be reconfigured and sold like with the Sharklet prototypes

Interesting! Sounds like a good solution. The MSN001 A320 deserves preservation and public display.

mfranjic · Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 75):
MSN6101 (the very first neo, P&W engines) will replace the very first A320 (MSN001) as Airbus' in house test aircraft, after that MSN001 will be retired and hopefully be preserved (and if preserved it will be likely in AeroScopia)

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 76):
Interesting! Sounds like a good solution. The MSN001 A320 deserves preservation and public display.

... it really deserves a special place, just to be seen and remembered ...

Otherwise, the A320-111, MSN001, reg. F-WWBA (prev. F-WWAI, F-WWFT) which first flew on 22. Feb 1987, is the only remaining of the 21 produced A320-100 aircrafts. All the others were either scrapped or written off.

This one has been recently used for a variety of winglet testing...

June 1987

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December 2014

Nice regards

Mario

Mortyman · Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:02 pm

Why did Norwegian go for the A320 neo and not the A321 neo ? Anyone know ?

lightsaber · Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 72):

What?!? Ate they rowing the engines across the Atlantic?!?

I so miss seeing the PW1100s fly!

Lightsaber

Aviaponcho · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:19 am

Bringing them back to France onboard the Hermione Frigat :d

Pretty astonished that every one is buying the "no problem with schedule" of Airbus after all this time
Almost 3 months ground stop ! on a 12-15 month certification program ! It's quite noticable !

KarelXWB · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:28 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 76):
The MSN001 A320 deserves preservation and public display.

Quoting mfranjic (Reply 77):
... it really deserves a special place, just to be seen and remembered ...

Perhaps it will join the Concorde, A400M and A380 in the Aeroscopia museum.

seahawk · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:32 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
Perhaps it will join the Concorde, A400M and A380 in the Aeroscopia museum.

It really should. This plane deserves to be preserved.

starbucks · Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:18 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
Perhaps it will join the Concorde, A400M and A380 in the Aeroscopia museum.

As I said

BTW there is no A380 in AeroScopia, 2x Concorde (1 inside and 1 outside) 1x A300 1x A400M and 1x Caravelle (plus a lot more smaller aircraft)

KarelXWB · Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:23 am

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 83):
BTW there is no A380 in AeroScopia

Not yet

ODwyerPW · Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:41 pm

Is the first A321 awaiting results from these tests before being fit with it's engines? It was painted about a month ago.

JetBuddy · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 78):
Why did Norwegian go for the A320 neo and not the A321 neo ? Anyone know ?

That's an interesting question, I've wondered about it myself actually. Another interesting thing about their order is that they've chosen engines for only half the A320neo order.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 84):
Not yet

Which A380 frame do you think will go to AeroScopia museum?

AirPacific747 · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:31 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 86):
That's an interesting question, I've wondered about it myself actually. Another interesting thing about their order is that they've chosen engines for only half the A320neo order.

Maybe they even changed their mind without us knowing yet and they will then at some point convert the order?

JetBuddy · Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 87):
Maybe they even changed their mind without us knowing yet and they will then at some point convert the order?

That could be the case, and I think it would be a good decision. But another possibility is that they've found lessors for those 50 frames and therefore chosen the engine type. Still that leaves 50 frames that could be converted. Who knows. Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread with digressions.

StTim · Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:33 pm

I for one cannot see how Airbus can be on schedule with the GTF neo. The delay is just too much in the timeframe we have for testing. Yes some generic testing can be shifted to the LEAP - but not everything.

A342 · Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:32 pm

"United Technologies expects entry into service of the Airbus A320neo to take place in December, following the technical delay affecting Pratt & Whitney PW1100G engine testing."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-enter-service-in-December-414891/

Currently, the link doesn't work for me, but the title says it all...

ThReaTeN · Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 56):
Final assembly of the first A319neo will start at the end of the year.

Can't wait to see it. Like someone said on here a while ago, it will probably be reminiscent of an over-powered sports car with those 77W-style huge engines.

poolkeeper · Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:29 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 90):

News seems to be copied here:
http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5...20neo-to-enter-service-in-december

bigsmile · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:31 am

Regarding MSN001 A320, once replaced by MSN6101, it will be going into the museum.
Also going in there will be A350 MSN003.

KarelXWB · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:31 am

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 86):
Which A380 frame do you think will go to AeroScopia museum?

MSN2

KarelXWB · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:58 am

Looks like the P&W fleet will resume test flights next week.

http://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/624125428698095617

EPA001 · Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:57 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
Looks like the P&W fleet will resume test flights next week.

That is very good news. Hope there will not be any more setbacks in the testing program.

cuban8 · Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:51 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 94):
Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 86):
Which A380 frame do you think will go to AeroScopia museum?

MSN2

I heard rumors it got sold to the Kuwaiti government....

I guess there are still no announcement regarding engine type for the A32X NEO ACJ customers?

Miami · Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:38 pm

F-WNEW performed a 'Touch and Go' not too long ago.

Miami · Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:52 pm

F-WNEW has returned from its test flight

http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB48EW/6e49f33

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