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Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 6:29 pm

Dear aviaition fans, welcome to our June 2015 edition.


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I myself just flew in from Istanbul to NYC yesterday on TK3 and have to say, summer is here; "full on" at IST.
6:00 am on a Saturday morning IST was literally busting at seams. Lines everywhere, shops full, nothing seems to be adequate; coffee shops, carts, bathrooms.
At the TK lounge, both floors were packed to the gills. There were lines on every food/coffee station. There were no empty tables, people were sharing tables with others. There were 10 people in front of me in the men's lav. I had to go to the downstairs bathroom.
On the other hand, TK 3 left on time at 7:25am with 16J/200Y pax onboard and we were number one for take-off. After a 10:30 hour smooth, uneventful flight we had a go around at JFK. The pilot said the reason was "technical". From what I can see we were down to 500 feet or so for 13L, where we banked to the right and then to the left and it was full power after that. Clear skies, no turbulence. I imagine either we were too high or there was traffic on the runway. Either way this was my second missed approach ever in over 450 flights. Exciting  

-TK to add Khujand/Tajikistan, Port Louis/Mauritius and Antanarivo/Madagascar to their plan list.
-TK to start Karlsruhe 4 x W with A319
-Also TK to start Graz, Austria with 4 x W
-If anyone has more info about the TK A333 at KTM, that would be awesome.
-Yesterday we flew over the new Istanbul airport construction area, groundwork is at an incredible scale. I can't imagine what it would look like in 10 years, that is why I am taking pictures of the "Belgrad Ormani" these days.

-Also from last months thread:
"boun" as the poster:
"Has any of you read this interview with Temel Kotil?

http://www.airporthaber.com/thy-habe...-olmaz-bir-duzine-almak-lazim.html

He, sure, talks about interesting stuff. The ones I found interesting:
- a hint of a possible Atlanta service. Although there isn't a final decision, Atlanta seems to be the next in the US,
- shift of a flight to SAW to make room for IST-MIA? Really, didn't get what he, or the author, meant with it,
- HAV alone is not profitable enough. I guess they encountered freedom flight issues with HAV-MEX. Colombia is on the tables while Caracas is not(?) due to obvious reasons."




Please continue with your news, photos, views, rumors and good old sense of humor. Also refrain from political mumbo jumbo or personal attacks.
Welcome everyone. Happy travels, safe landings to all.

TK787
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 6:40 pm

Thanks for the new thread TK787  
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
At the TK lounge, both floors were packed to the gills. There were lines on every food/coffee station. There were no empty tables, people were sharing tables with others. There were 10 people in front of me in the men's lav. I had to go to the downstairs bathroom.

Was that just due to the weekend too? A colleague of mine passed through IST the other day and were in the lounge for a few hours and said it was 70% full and quite pleasant. The place is massive now so just goes to show in future at the new airport they may need a few of those lounges.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 7:00 pm

Someone at Sri Lankan aviation forum was also complaining about IST being inadequate now in handling all this, but he has to fly TK for convinience.

Also forum mentions CMB doing direct delinked from Male in the future.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 7:02 pm

How are the new timing of the NBO flights affecting the connectivity of the flights??? now NBO opens at 6 am and I have seen TK arriving around 7 am, so I guess they will depart at 8 or so, like 2-3 hours later than usually. Is it affecting badly to the route?? I have seen very cheap fares in NBO and DAR routes.

did they start Bilbao-A Coruña flights?? how are they doing??

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK to add Khujand/Tajikistan, Port Louis/Mauritius and Antanarivo/Madagascar to their plan list.
-TK to start Karlsruhe 4 x W with A319
-Also TK to start Graz, Austria with 4 x W

How many destinations are now in total?? Khujand in Tajikistan?? So many times I have to go to google to find out places where TK is going to start flying.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Was that just due to the weekend too?

Not sure, but that many StarGold members/J pax on a Saturday morning at 6:30am??

By the way, the reclaimed area from the TAF seems to be getting used more and more. I saw at least a dozen planes parked over there. Shown below as "Y" section:
http://kokpit.aero/ataturk-havalimani-buyume-plani
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 7:29 pm

Y apron is a traffic nightmare for ground operation. Access is provided only with narrow road at all the way down runway, it takes lots of time reach there. As usual this is planning disaster, when they build an access tunnel for wehicles while expanding runway Y apron can be used more effectively. At least we have parking spots now.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):

Thanks again for starting this monthly thread!

This discussion regarding traffic rights reveals IMHO one central problem of TK's longhaul schedule: lack of frequency. It is easy to connect lets say a new far eastern destination to the high frequency European network but is a big challenge to connect it to the US network where there is only one main departure bank at 13-14 hours and only one main arrival bank at 16-17 hours. Competition with the EK folks will stay difficult as long as they cannot improve. Do they (TK) target US-Fareast traffic at all? The placement of the 2nd fareast bank which is being introduced step by step doesn't solve this issue.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 8:40 pm

From the UK I seem to remember that TK had Int First Class service, did this finish and why?
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun May 31, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 7):

It didnt last too long. A shame really as it was a great product. Still one of the best flights I had.

This is what the product was like :

New 1st Class Suites/Turkish Airlines B777-ER (by OA260 Jan 9 2009 in Trip Reports)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Mon Jun 01, 2015 12:57 am

June 5th is the deadline for Turkey registered airlines to bid to Turkish CAA for an international route that is not served from ESB currently to qualify for a 3 year exclusive right to operate the route.

Let's see wich airline will appply for what route(s)??May be a TK international network expansion is about to happen without any threat from Pegasus or others at ESB? Wise way to get rid off the competition if TK is behind the scenes of this initiative by CAA....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:13 am

if IST is this crowded how are they going to set up the Pre Clearance facility for US-CBP?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:06 am

I noticed in a daily email news summary I receive there was a brief interview with TK CEO Kotil.

One question was why TK did not take the 2 MAS A380s. His answer was that TK is not interested in random orphan aircraft and would not make sense to acquire only 2 frames. If TK was interested in the type it would need something 10 like frames for it to be logical.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:09 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
TK is not interested in random orphan aircraft

Doesn't that remark kind of fly in the face of the hodgepodge that is the TK A330 fleet?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:17 am

Turkish has what 40+ A330 in service?
Its hardly much a problem to pick up additional frames when infrastructure is well established for the model.

Imagine the huge cost of supporting a pair of unique A380s?
Certainly you need some scale for it to be cost effective and make it worthwhile.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:19 pm

I don't know if anyone noticed but in late April, TK formally reverted to using the USD again instead of EUR as the basis for its international ticket pricing.
Similarly TK has been transitioning much of its financial report to from EUR to USD as well during the last year.
According to the company the change could provide a up to a 15% benefit in revenues when fully adjusted over the next 12-months as previously ticketed segment liability is flown.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
Doesn't that remark kind of fly in the face of the hodgepodge that is the TK A330 fleet?

Acquiring random A330s is not much of a problem as TK has lots of experience and support for the model.
But getting a pair of A380s however would be a totally different ball game and without any benefits of existing scale.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:38 pm

How much performance penalty or taxiway work need to host 380 in IST ? I am positively sure they will jump at a bargain price if these problems solved.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:40 pm

Kobe vs. Messi: Selfie Shootout ad has been chosen top YouTube ad of the last 10 Years! That's so impressive, looking at it a few years ago - who would have thought TK would have ever won an award like this?

http://marketingland.com/best-youtub...obe-vs-messi-the-selfie-shootout-.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:50 pm

The 2013 Kobe vs. Messi selfie ad was chosen as the top YouTube ad of the last 10 Years!

YouTube unveils best ad of the decade
http://marketingland.com/best-youtub...s-messi-the-selfie-shootout-130985

With over 140mil views it was also the most-watched of all of the 20 finalist video nominees.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:44 pm

Does anyone have an inkling as to when the flights to TNR would start?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:25 pm

http://www.trfleetnews.com/after-5-years-at-turkish-airlines/

TK is leasing out TC-JNG to Eurowings:

http://www.trfleetnews.com/after-5-years-at-turkish-airlines/

Interesting: I mean they just recently refurbished JNF & G...
However, JNG makes perfect sense for Eurowings, since they most probably don't have to reconfigure the plane and can use the latest IFE system that is already installed...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:57 pm

I am not su sure, according to dAtaflight 24 it is flying for TK, event it flew today.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:01 pm

According to TK Q1 presetation, number of 332s will be 20 at ye 2015.
2014 was 16, TC-JNV returned and 3 new frames have been announced, so there is 2 missing frames, i exoect an announcement.
Now if TC-JNG story is true, we might exoect 3?missing frames , any idea, may be lax-int or TK 787 can explain to us.

Captain wings, where are leased 332 deployed, why not for flights longer than 7-8 hours
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:56 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 19):
TK is leasing out TC-JNG to Eurowings:

Why are TK leasing out planes and taking additional frames as well?
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:32 am

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 21):
According to TK Q1 presetation, number of 332s will be 20 at ye 2015.

Here's the slide for those who are interested:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2ui99o0.jpg

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 21):
2014 was 16, TC-JNV returned and 3 new frames have been announced, so there is 2 missing frames, i exoect an announcement.

Well TAM has another A330-200 in storage at GRU (MSN 1118), this one is a good candidate for TK.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:29 am

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):

Thanks again for another great thread TK787, Looks like No regarding 49% stake in TAROM according to this article http://www.turkishweekly.net/2015/06...n-acquisition-of-romanian-carrier/ So I don't know who's next or left for takeovers for TK ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:08 pm

Quote:
EVA Air announced its intention to serve Taipei Taoyuan - Istanbul Ataturk route in 2016
www.twitter.com/airlineroute/status/606503472763179009
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:29 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 25):

Any idea of frequency? How is this going to affect TK's new TPE route? EVA offer quite a good product on their 77W I believe, unless they're operating A330.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 26):

Nothing has been official just yet.
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting ist2014 (Reply 21):
Captain wings, where are leased 332 deployed, why not for flights longer than 7-8 hours

I am sorry, I have no information on that subject  
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:49 pm

I will be glad if we are getting rid of JNG,hope to see JNF out of fleet also.They are the black sheeps of the fleet,no one likes them.The rest of reg :N series and new O series are awesome.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting wing (Reply 29):
I will be glad if we are getting rid of JNG,hope to see JNF out of fleet also.They are the black sheeps of the fleet,no one likes them.

What's the issue with those airplanes?
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:44 pm

Sorry for posting this,but TK has two separate "incidents" yesterday according to EX-YU aviaton site

Blown tires and smoke in cockipt

http://www.exyuaviation.com/p/turkis...airlines-incident-in-sarajevo.html
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:45 pm

Seems that TC-LNA (leased from DAE Capital) is (almost) ready to enter the fleet. Per Skyliner:

Quote:
Airbus A330 -223 874 TC-LNA Turkish Airlines in full cs at IST 30may15 prior introduction to svc ex D-ALAA
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 30):
What's the issue with those airplanes?

just the ergonomy.The others manufactured for THY so has better equipment.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:01 pm

Does anyone know if TK has plans to further expand in India? TK currently serves BOM and DEL only. Their network in India most definitely has the potential to be enhanced successfully.

I don't have any knowledge of the current bilateral agreement between Turkey and India, but perhaps cities such as MAA, CCU, HYD, and AMD, could be added in the future. Additional cities such as ATQ, PNQ, and NAG could also be very interesting potential destinations for TK as well.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:26 pm

Quoting scorp82 (Reply 34):

Has been said umpteen number of times - but for the sake of your question.

Yes, TK would love to expand into India. Unfortumately, they have maxed out on the bilaterals with dailies to each BOM/DEL.

At this stage, it is possible that the Indian Govt is not willing to relent any seats, given what happened in the cases of Qatar and UAE. But I believe, the bilateral will be renewed - sooner or later.

I also believe that - given TK is granted more access into India - they would be most interested in HYD, BLR, MAA, AMD, PNQ & ATQ.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:26 pm

So TK-India services are not victim of politics as one Indian poster made it seem.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:40 pm

Since 2012 and annually since Turkish ministry of foreign affairs has continued to seek expansion of the air service agreement between the nations.

The Turkish sides most recent request was for 70-weekly pax services that would allow double daily service to BOM & DEL plus access to 6 new points Amritsar, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Kolkata with weekly seat capacity rising from about 4,000 to 20,000.

Only recent change was Indian side allowing TK to launch freighter services to HYD last year - 2x weekly.

TK's goal is to utilize future A321NEOs to access to access the secondary cities while BOM & DEL would get double daily widebodies.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 37):
TK's goal is to utilize future A321NEOs to access to access the secondary cities while BOM & DEL would get double daily widebodies.

Why that? With that strong European and US network they should be able to fill widebodies to India, no?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:59 pm

New advert (Turkish only):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl3swM1hCeY
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:41 pm

Some news from ESB;

RJ is reinstating AMM-ESB. It will be thrice weekly. Dates to be announced but I guess from the start of the winter timetable. RJ served ESB before bi-weekly with a triangle route as AMM-ESB-IST-AMM
It was with B727's in late 80'ies when the route was launched then with A310's in 90'ies. It is good to see RJ back at ESB and with three terminator flights per week. Second oneworld carrier at ESB after QR, hope BA will complement this with ESB LHR soon;

SK launched year-round CPH ESB as of yesterday and ARN ESB to be resumed end of this month. Good to see a premium airline like SK to start year-round services from Turkey again as they suspended IST mainly due to TK competition and likely pressure from LH. They should be convinced that ESB is underserved and start this initially on a one weekly basis. SK also is not a new-commer to ESB, their history goes back to late 50'ies on and off over time including a SK Sud-Caravelle disaster at ESB that was flying from CPH-VIE-ATH-IST-ESB in early 60'ies with all pax lost their lives upon approach at ESB unfortunately;

Last but not least, yesterday was the last day for applications under the new incentive scheme put into effect by Turkish CAA to increase the number of direct international services from ESB by Turkey registered airlines. I think it will be announced next week as to which airline applied for which route to enjoy a three year exclusive right to operate that route from Turkey. I bet TK will dominate most of this as I sense this is a TK driven effort to wipe out Pegasus at ESB but we will see...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:59 am

According to trfleetnews, Borajet is getting a few more E-195 LRs. What kind of routes could these birds fly? They mention the possibility of Friedrichshafen and Kassel as destinations in Europe.

http://www.trfleetnews.com/long-range-embraer-for-borajet/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:06 pm

Does TK have a lower cost-structure today than it did 15 years ago? How is the TK of today different than the TK of 1999/2000?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:05 pm

So I have just seen on the news that AKP has lost the majority - what will this mean for TK?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:40 am

In my opinion biggest danger is 3rd airport construction delay. If that happens all plans should be revised. Of course TK may get new management but it will not hurt much.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:17 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 41):
According to trfleetnews, Borajet is getting a few more E-195 LRs. What kind of routes could these birds fly? They mention the possibility of Friedrichshafen and Kassel as destinations in Europe.

Well, airporthaber says Borajet is getting 5 x E195LR from GECAS and will wet-lease them to TK in July.
Longest E190 route is AC YYZ-SEA at 5:23 hours, E195 is at 4:00 hours, so TK can fly these to anywhere in Europe.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 45):

If TK wants to do an international route expansion from ESB those may be worthwhile on some of the routes...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 45):

Well, airporthaber says Borajet is getting 5 x E195LR from GECAS and will wet-lease them to TK in July.
Longest E190 route is AC YYZ-SEA at 5:23 hours, E195 is at 4:00 hours, so TK can fly these to anywhere in Europe.

My record is 5:45 block on a 190AR BUF-IFP , so it's doable. Borajet is an extremely messed up operation, I got turned down again by them. I am the only Turkish guys that has the amount of experience in the airplane , including the management side.

That goes to show how military mafia is dealing with the applicants in that part of the world.
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:35 am

Turkey signed a new bilateral with the Philipines.

TK will get access to other points with 14 additional frequencies, while MNL will increase to daily.
Philipines will be able to fly 5th freedom to FRA and TLV, while TK will be able choose the one later, whenever they wish.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation June 2015

Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:52 pm

Have Turkey not got traffic agreements to ANR & MRU yet?

http://investor.turkishairlines.com/...tail/29-05-2015-public-disclosures

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