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LoneStarMike
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:48 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 49):
It's surprising that AS didn't put on a second SEA-AUS. The flight does really well.....often difficult to get a seat on it.

They've already announced a second SEA-AUS flight. It starts on June 7.

Twice the Seattle-Austin flights on Alaska

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The newly added nonstop operates five day per week and leaves Austin-Bergstrom International Airport (AUS) at 7:00 a.m. and arrives at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA) at 9:11 a.m. Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays. The flight departs Seattle at 11:45 p.m. and arrives in Austin at 5:45 a.m. and operates Sundays, Mondays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays. The flight is now available on www.alaskaair.com .

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threeifbyair
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
I think IND is now the largest PDEW market w/o non-stop air service to SEA, I'd say IND is a safe guess, but it'll be on a 737 for sure.

Yes, counting announced but not yet started service, IND is the largest such market from SEA at 116 PDEW average based on DOT data from 2014. CLE (125) is hanging on to nonstop service for now via F9.

IND may also be the last "untapped" market from SEA that AS can serve with a daily 737 unless another airline withdraws service. The next markets, CMH and PIT, are substantially smaller (88 and 87 PDEW average in 2014 respectively), likely too small to support nonstop service on a 737 at this time. CVG is at 89 but I doubt DL would pull anything from SEA in the current environment.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 46):
It's not that simple. WN costs have crept higher in last decade which makes short haul routes less-profitable or even unprofitable. Take a look at the scores of short haul markets WN has backed out of because of this.

PDX-AUS is not a short-haul market.

Plus AS will be more limited to price aggressively on PDX-AUS because of the smaller aircraft and higher costs.

AS is using OO's lower-cost labor. WN has mainline crews earning mainline wages.
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:32 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 41):
So far we're getting half the 175 routes, I think you are correct that it's a good plane to help AS connect dots to PDX. I'm hoping SEA-OMA goes 175 or 737, which may give us a CR-7 or 175 to OMA from PDX.

Yes, I'm 100% with you. With no competition on OMA-PDX and very unlikely that WN or anybody else would ever open this market, I think that OMA-PDX will be likely to happen. Prices on this route are sky high!

I've been watching every day for 3 months for a ticket OMA-PDX the last week of June and prices are terrible. Finally just bought my ticket yesterday for $766.20 connecting in Denver. Ouch. If only AS has a nonstop flight, the $766 wouldn't seem so bad for nonstop.
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 51):
IND may also be the last "untapped" market from SEA that AS can serve with a daily 737 unless another airline withdraws service.

With only 5 737-900s on order and several new 737 routes announced recently, where is AS going to get a plane for SEA-IND? A plane for that route can probably make more money for AS elsewhere.
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Noise
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Tue Jun 02, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 53):
With only 5 737-900s on order and several new 737 routes announced recently, where is AS going to get a plane for SEA-IND? A plane for that route can probably make more money for AS elsewhere.

I believe they have more like 40 on order, not just 5.
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting Noise (Reply 40):
AS is starting SEA-MKE this year with the E175.

Well it seems that AS has seen the success FL and now WN have had on the route lately. It was a market WN had all to
themselves, but AS is in on it now. There is room for both to share the fruits  
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:45 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 49):
It's surprising that AS didn't put on a second SEA-AUS. The flight does really well.....often difficult to get a seat on it.

They have added a second flight & a lot of those passengers are connecting from PDX, which is why I'd imagine why we are getting a non-stop, it is also easier to connect via PDX for MFR, EUG, RDM, PSC, BOI & CEC originating traffic.

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 53):
With only 5 737-900s on order and several new 737 routes announced recently, where is AS going to get a plane for SEA-IND? A plane for that route can probably make more money for AS elsewhere.

IIRC, there are more 800's than 900's are on order & if AS feels they can make the route work, they'll find the plane. The conversation was really about IND being the largest PDEW market w/o a non-stop from SEA. It's safe to say AS has looked at IND, there may be multiple reasons why they aren't comfortable jumping in the market, yet.

It usually amazes me every time AS adds a route, as I wonder where the plane is coming from & yet, here they are adding more, obviously there is always a hard decision to be made with any route.
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:55 am

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 51):
IND may also be the last "untapped" market from SEA that AS can serve with a daily 737 unless another airline withdraws service. The next markets, CMH and PIT, are substantially smaller (88 and 87 PDEW average in 2014 respectively), likely too small to support nonstop service on a 737 at this time.

Hmm. Need something longer ranged than the E175, but smaller than the 737. Sounds like a CS100 to me...  
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:01 am

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 57):
Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 57):
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 51):
IND may also be the last "untapped" market from SEA that AS can serve with a daily 737 unless another airline withdraws service. The next markets, CMH and PIT, are substantially smaller (88 and 87 PDEW average in 2014 respectively), likely too small to support nonstop service on a 737 at this time.

Hmm. Need something longer ranged than the E175, but smaller than the 737. Sounds like a CS100 to me...

or an E175LR...........
 
lweber557
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:06 am

Not surprised AS started AUS-PDX. Seems a little overdue and WN beat them to it but I think it'll be a success Do you think they'll ever add AUS-SAN or LAX?
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:26 am

Quoting ATAIndy (Reply 53):
With only 5 737-900s on order and several new 737 routes announced recently, where is AS going to get a plane for SEA-IND? A plane for that route can probably make more money for AS elsewhere.

AS is taking delivery of ten 737's between this month and the end of 2015...and another 19 in 2016. Plenty of metal to add new flying.
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:17 am

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 57):
Hmm. Need something longer ranged than the E175, but smaller than the 737. Sounds like a CS100 to me...
Quoting lhpdx (Reply 58):
or an E175LR...........

Or an E-195.
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:48 am

Quoting lweber557 (Reply 59):
Not surprised AS started AUS-PDX. Seems a little overdue and WN beat them to it but I think it'll be a success Do you think they'll ever add AUS-SAN or LAX?

Why would AS do AUS-LAX when their codeshare partner does it 3x daily?
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:08 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 60):
AS is taking delivery of ten 737's between this month and the end of 2015...and another 19 in 2016. Plenty of metal to add new flying.
Quoting Noise (Reply 54):
I believe they have more like 40 on order, not just 5.

Well in that case I feel much more confident about SEA-IND in the near future then.
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lhpdx
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:46 pm

I wonder what other long thinned routes AS planning using these EMB-175LR??
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Thu Jun 04, 2015 5:14 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 64):
I wonder what other long thinned routes AS planning using these EMB-175LR??

What did I miss? When did AS order EMB-175LRs?
 
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RE: AS Adds PDX-AUS, EUG-SJC

Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 65):
What did I miss? When did AS order EMB-175LRs?

Are they 175s or 175LRs?

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