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Why So Many DL CRJ's At Kingman,AZ
The other day I was driving from Phoenix to Las Vegas and finally decided to stop at the Kingman airport and check out the boneyard there. I was very surprised to see at least 50 DL CRJ's being stored there. Does anyone know why there are so many of these CRJ's there and are they just being stored there or are they designated for the scrap heap?
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- slcdeltarumd11
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They are way too thirsty for 2015
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| Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1): They are way too thirsty for 2015 |
For fuel and the folks up front.
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| Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 1): They are way too thirsty for 2015 |
Per flight, no. The problem is per seat. They can fly the much preferred CRJ-700/900 for marginally higher costs and spread it out over a lot more seats.
Passengers have spoken--we hate the -200 and the costs make the much more friendly 2 class RJs work well. Expect to see more CRJs join the others in Kingman.
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They are mostly Comair CRJ200's, which were parked there with the demise of Comair.
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Do the 200s make any sense as private planes? Or does it make more economic sense to part-out & scrap?
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| Quoting Ecflyer (Reply 5): Do the 200s make any sense as private planes? Or does it make more economic sense to part-out & scrap? |
Most of these frames have been beat to hell and back again. Very high cycles and about to time out engines IIRC. They're scrap.
| Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 4): They are mostly Comair CRJ200's, which were parked there with the demise of Comair. |
They're the original CRJ-100s that have the most limitations and were junk even in their prime. ExpressJet is now moving some of the ex-ASA -200s out there too.
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ExpressJet was supposed to move some ERJ-145 to Kingman last fall. Were those the ones that ended up being shifted to Trans States for UAX service?
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There is still a reduced market for 50 seaters (though props would better fit that market), but there is a huge pilot shortage due to the increased requirements to fly Part 121 and the pay that the regionals have been getting away with.
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| Quoting Ecflyer (Reply 5): Do the 200s make any sense as private planes? Or does it make more economic sense to part-out & scrap? |
A few may see conversions to freighters, but a majority will be scrapped.
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| Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 7): |
The ones going to Waterski are the XRs, which are actually pretty new aircraft and the most capable and efficient model of the 145. Only XJT bought the model and had something like 130 of them, but now they're no longer the exclusive operator. I think the XR was actually created specifically at their request. The other standard 145s XJT has are some of the oldest 145s off the line, many of which are being retired because they fly like crap. I think they were originally supposed to join their 135s in IGM, but instead they're working with Embraer to recycle the airframes. Basically they're gutting everything from the aircraft and reusing the fuselage for new private jets at a lower cost to the customer. It's a great program to keep current jets in the skies for another couple of decades instead of sending them to bake in the desert for a few years before meeting the wrong end of a giant claw, and the customer still gets a brand new airplane out of it.
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I wonder if a CRJ-200 could be used as a water bomber?
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I think they're probably too underpowered to carry a significant payload. That could be fixed, but not on the cheap. The 700 and 900 are much more appropriately powered to handle an increased payload and in hot/high conditions. Whenever it gets really hot here in PHX, the 200s are the first to massively struggle. They are even worse off than the old DC-9s. They have to start canceling flights when it hits 115ºF. That wouldn't be convenient as a fire fighting aircraft when the majority of the wild fires being fought in this country are in the southwest during the summer.
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| Quoting Western727 (Reply 13): I have only this to say: Good riddance. |
Amen! Every day when I drive past the ExpressJet hangar in ATL there seems to be another CRJ-200 with it's titles being painted out and I think THANK GOD. One less!
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