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British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:37 pm

The previous BA long haul route thread is locked so I am opening a new one.

With the arrival of BAs first B789 just over three months away we still haven't heard any news [have we?] as to where they will be used, and indeed no news on the much anticipated new TATL routes that have been promised.

Does anyone have any reliable ideas on what the 789, and other new, long haul routes, will be and when they will be announced?

With Paris just around the corner I was wondering whether we might get an announcement very shortly to avoid the news being lost in the 'big announcements' from the show - or will BA keep us waiting right up to the wire?
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:56 pm

Due by the end of this year are 5 787-9s and an A388. Three 744s and three long haul 763s will be leaving, so don't look for much in the way of brand new routes.
Next year there will be 6 787-9s and two A388s, which replace the remaining 4 long haul 763s and another three 744s.
All this assumes there are no unforeseen delays in deliveries.
It is 2017 when five 787-9s arrive without any long haul palnes being withdrawn that I'd look for either route expansion or frequency increases.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:49 pm

The only credible one (really ) is that KUL will go on the 787-9 come October. DEL or BLR likely to be served by 787-9 also.

In terms of new routes the only credible ones are the US cities there have been loads of threads about on here:
New Orleans,
Portland
Fort Lauderdale.

Something will HAVE to be announced soon.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting bastew (Reply 2):
Fort Lauderdale.

Seriously? FLL?
I highly doubt we'll ever see LHR - FLL as long as at least two daily flights operate to the 30-ish miles away MIA.

As much as I'd love a direct connection to my fav place in SoFla I don't see it. Or did I miss something here?
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:39 pm

PDX seems like a city begging for LHR, as in the demand really seems there .

[Edited 2015-06-02 08:46:34]
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:01 pm

What's the point of these threads, apart from just an opportunity for everybody in the USA to claim why their local town is 'obviously' the best option for a BA service? No new routes have been 'promised' by anybody.

Personally, I can see the 787-9 being used to GYR. West Phoenix is 'begging' for LHR service  
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:24 pm

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 5):
What's the point of these threads, apart from just an opportunity for everybody in the USA to claim why their local town is 'obviously' the best option for a BA service? No new routes have been 'promised' by anybody.

Quite right, and there are no extra planes to launch new routes until the end of 2016 at the earliest (therefore probably the S17 timetable). Before then any new routes can only come by cancelling existing ones or reducing frequencies, as deliveries of new planes are balanced with planes leaving the fleet.

Now if people want to discuss which of the existing routes will get 787-9s late this year, that's something else.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:27 pm

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 6):
Now if people want to discuss which of the existing routes will get 787-9s late this year, that's something else.

Which is why I asked for thoughts on where the 789 might be utilised..

Quoting planesarecool (Reply 5):

What's the point of these threads,

if you don't like the thread feel free to ignore it and not get stroppy with anyone who might just be interested.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:28 pm

Yes I sigh every time I see another new BA routes thread. It always gets hijacked by residents of the USA who want to go direct to LHR next time.
During 2015 BA will take delivery of 5 new B787-900, and another A380. They will retire 3 B767 and 4 B744 leaving a net increase of ONE aircraft. KUL was introduced this week, so there is not a lot of aircraft left to fly to PDX FLL SYR etc etc.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:51 pm

Any chance to a return to DAR??

I think PDX will be my number 1 in the list, any possibility of STL, MCI, MEM??
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:43 pm

A few years ago BA were saying that they would use the ex BMI slots to launch new routes to the BRIC countries which would fit perfectly with the launch of the 787 which they said would be perfect to test new routes and fly long thin routes. Around the same time they launched Chengdu and Austin.

The performance of these two new 787 routes have been like chalk and cheese. BA was very keen to expand in China (where it lags behind it's main european rivals) but the performance of Chengdu has been disappointing to say the least. On the other hand, Austin was literally an overnight success. Full loads, good yields. So much of a success that BA will increase capacity on the route. So it's understandable that there are a lot of 'where will BA fly to next in the US' threads which are often started on the back of local US city newspaper articles.

It does seem to be whatever BA touches in the US turns to gold and it's not difficult to see why. BA is a well known brand in the US and it has the massive might of the joint service partner AA marketing and selling flights for them. They don't have either of these benefits in most of the BRIC countries they wish to serve so new routes to these cities are always at a risk - and Chengdu has hardly buoyed BA's confidence!

I think in terms of the initial 787-9 routes they will probably be current 787-8 routes. I'd say they will replace the 787-8's on EWR for example with a 787-9 then deploying the 787-8 on a different route.

The new non-US destination that makes the most sense to me is Santiago, Chile. The economy is growing, there are no direct flights between SCL or LON. LAN is also a Oneworld member and could codeshare, market and sell the flights from the Chilean end. And SCL has become somewhat a LATAM Oneworld hub offering plenty of connections.

Jakarta, Manila and Osaka have all been doing the galley rumour mills also.

As Andy33 says there probably won't be a lot of 'new' routes announced this year and more a juggling of aircraft types on current routes. But i'm pretty confident we will have an announcement for at least one (maybe two) new routes.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
PDX seems like a city begging for LHR, as in the demand really seems there .

Seattle, San Francisco, Vancouver and now Portland.....that's a lot of Pacific Northwest cities!!
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:08 pm

Quoting bastew (Reply 2):
DEL or BLR likely to be served by 787-9 also.

In terms of new routes the only credible ones are the US cities there have been loads of threads about on here:
New Orleans,
Portland
Fort Lauderdale.

I think DEL or BLR loosing the 788 to the 789 will open a new route. (There was a rumor of 3x weekly at SAN and then 4x weekly somewhere else, but It wasn't confirmed)
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:52 pm

Can't wait to see the BA 789 here at YYZ hehehe ...

We get their entire ocean crossing fleet here except their A380.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:17 am

BA 788 or 789 I think would do very well to SJC, I know SJC is talking to airlines, BA has got to be one of the airlines SJC is talking to.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 13):
We get their entire ocean crossing fleet here except their A380.

Really? Iv'e never seen a 763 scheduled to YYZ, but maybe I'm just missing it...
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:34 am

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 8):
It always gets hijacked by residents of the USA who want to go direct to LHR next time.

Yup those darn USA residents always speaking their minds and being so centric in their thinking.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:44 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 9):
I think PDX will be my number 1 in the list

Based on what?

...aside from fanboyism that can rival the best of 'em, PDX doesn't have any particular advantage over any other unserved market, in terms of meriting LON service.

Based on the 2013 Saber MI numbers:
PDX is not the highest O&D unserved LON market, it's not the highest fare market, it's not the highest yielding market, and (to top it all off) it's a non-hub that already has a competing European service-- which several of its rival contenders do not.

So barring subsidy (which can change everything), PDX doesn't present any awfully compelling numerical case, relative to other options.

[Edited 2015-06-02 17:45:52]
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:01 am

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 15):

Yes, really! Search in the photo database for BA 763s in YYZ, you'll get plenty of pics. I'm glad those screaming smokers are gone.

But yes, YYZ will definitely have a 789 scheduled in the future. We're lucky enough to get entire fleet variety (no A380 though, too many premium seats), with 17~ or so flights a week even this season...
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:04 am

Quoting nickflightx (Reply 14):
BA 788 or 789 I think would do very well to SJC, I know SJC is talking to airlines, BA has got to be one of the airlines SJC is talking to.

Sign me up for their inaugural flight.   
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:05 am

I'm hoping for 3-4x a week on BA from PDX!!!
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:21 am

maybe SJC or BDL? Nobody thought AUS. SJC has 3 international airlines now: Y4, HU & NH. Maybe...??
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:21 am

PDX imo makes most sense in that it is also an AS hub. AS will soon fly to 48 destinations from PDX. BA and AS have interline agreements.

What would help feed a BA flight from BNA? MSY, SJC, BDL, STL?

Could BA split the SEA frequencies and bring a flight down to PDX? Northwest did this years ago when they started PDX-NRT. NW did something like 10x weekly SEA-NRT and then instead went 7x/week SEA-NRT, 7x/week PDX-NRT.

[Edited 2015-06-02 18:25:19]
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 21):
Nobody thought AUS

What are you talking about... AUS had the highest O&D to LON, second highest to continental Europe, and second highest fare, of any unserved market in the USA. There was plenty of speculation that it was a contender.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 22):
BA and AS have interline agreements.

Which means nothing, per se. BA has an interline agreement with just about every major airline in the USA, other than WN.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:59 am

Why are all of these other mid-sized cities hating on Portland so much?? Don't hate just celebrate with us all that have been accomplished here at PDX and what is yet to come.....stay tune......

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 23):
BA and AS have interline agreements.

Which means nothing, per se. BA has an interline agreement with just about every major airline in the USA, other than WN.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:34 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 24):
Why are all of these other mid-sized cities hating on Portland so much?

Who is "hating" PDX?

The simple numerical reality is that PDX, while obviously a contender, isn't nearly the superlative example of such that many of its cheerleaders seem convinced that it is.

And ironic as it may be, the fact that it already has scheduled nonstop service to Europe likely hurts more than it helps, in terms of attracting additional service.... as we saw with your namesake.

[Edited 2015-06-02 19:36:15]
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:41 am

Maybe they will add another HKG flight that leaves LHR at 10am and lands at 5am-ish. Do we know if it would all be 'new' routes, or would they be scooting out the 763? If new, perhaps they can start serving some key secondary cities in China (CAN, CKG, NKG, XMN, URC, TSN, TAO, SZX) or Japan (CTS, NGO, FUK, KIX).

Also, would be nice if they added a KSAD flight, but if traffic is too low for that TUS would be good too.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:46 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 25):
The simple numerical reality is that PDX, while obviously a contender, isn't nearly the superlative example of such that many of its cheerleaders seem convinced that it is.

I agree. While I think PDX is good, I imagine they'd start it off with a 787-8 and see what happens before deciding to go forward with a -9.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:50 am

PDX could be a contender, I feel though SJC would be a safer bet as it is a proven market with SFO. If BA did start SJC with a 788, would one of the flights to SFO go to a 77W possibly or would it stay one A388 and 744.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:29 am

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 26):
Do we know if it would all be 'new' routes, or would they be scooting out the 763?

All, repeat all, the new aircraft to be delivered in 2015 are balanced by an equal number of planes taken out of service (a mix of 763s and 744s). In 2016 there will be a net gain of one aircraft on present plans, and the rest of the long-haul 763s disappear, along with more 744s.
So winter 2016 is the earliest that a new route would be launched without a corresponding route cancellation or frequency reduction elsewhere.
Now during 2017 the overall number of the long-haul fleet really does start increasing, but deliveries are phased across the whole year, as you'd expect.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:58 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 17):
Based on what?

Based on my morning mood, that´s why I said "I think PDX will be number in MY list, I´m not talking about facts, or BA list, just MY list.

Number 2 in my list is XNA, very convenient for me, but with very low possibilities or Zero.

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 26):
perhaps they can start serving some key secondary cities in China (CAN, CKG, NKG, XMN, URC, TSN, TAO, SZX) or Japan (CTS, NGO, FUK, KIX).

Maybe, but China secondary city are not the gold mine many think, Except CAN, I don´t see anyone even close to get service, altough some of them could offer good money to BA to get direct service to Europe, I think XMN got KL after offering a good amount of money.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 23):
Which means nothing, per se. BA has an interline agreement with just about every major airline in the USA, other than WN.

Correct, interline agreement means nothing at all.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:20 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 30):
Based on my morning mood

Silly me, and here I thought it might've been based on logic and reason. Pardon my asking  


Quoting migair54 (Reply 30):
but China secondary city are not the gold mine many think, Except CAN

Even CAN hasn't done so well with non-Asian carriers.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:41 am

Chengdu was a stinker to start with, but a couple of facts are relevant;

1. We have always said that China was a long term plan. It was never intended that CTU would be an overnight sucess, but that we are playing the long game and getting in there early, akin to AF, AY, KL and LH.

2. CTU is doing much better these days, buoyed by solid cargo revenue.

3. The UK/China visa restrictions are stunting growth in the market, and until the situation is improved, it is unlikely that more Chinese routes will be announced.

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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:04 pm

Quoting bastew (Reply 10):
It does seem to be whatever BA touches in the US turns to gold and it's not difficult to see why. BA is a well known brand in the US and it has the massive might of the joint service partner AA marketing and selling flights for them.

According to the 2014 BA Annual Report (page 27) BA's sales in the USA totalled £2,131 million. This was 18 per cent of their total sales of £11,719 million.

If seems save to assume that non-US sales for flights to / from the USA are at least close to if not significantly more than this figure. So the USA would seem to account for more than one third of the airline's total revenues.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:30 pm

Can we also suspect former 767 longhaul routes such as NAS, GCM, BWI, EBB, YYC, PHL, etc to see the 787?

With the 767 leaving the fleet, certain markets (particularly GCM) could possibly only support a 787, as a 777 would be too large in terms of airport/runway size.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 26):
new, perhaps they can start serving some key secondary cities in China (CAN, CKG, NKG, XMN, URC, TSN, TAO, SZX) or Japan (CTS, NGO, FUK, KIX).

BA served NGO and FUK in the 1990s.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:31 pm

Quoting lx64a332 (Reply 34):
Can we also suspect former 767 longhaul routes such as NAS, GCM, BWI, EBB, YYC, PHL, etc to see the 787?

With the 767 leaving the fleet, certain markets (particularly GCM) could possibly only support a 787, as a 777 would be too large in terms of airport/runway size.

There is talk of the 777 serving at least one of those destinations mentioned and phl is already on the 787 on some rotations I believe. YYC keeps seeing it for occasional periods of time. Also there has been talk of the 787 picking up some SH work, make of that what you will.

Also I believe the retirement schedule is pretty fluid and one cannot say for certain x amount of 767's will be gone by the end of 2015.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:32 pm

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 13):

We get their entire ocean crossing fleet here except their A380.


.........and that other Airbus that crosses the ocean! A318, sorry!!
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:49 pm

Quoting lx64a332 (Reply 34):
certain markets (particularly GCM) could possibly only support a 787, as a 777 would be too large in terms of airport/runway size.

I thought that that flight was a 1stop, for that reason?
Shouldn't make that much of an operational difference.


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and that other Airbus that crosses the ocean! A318, sorry!!

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Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:08 am

Numerically and logically, the next NA destination for BA needs to be MSY.

Quoting FLYBYNIGHT (Reply 11):
Seattle, San Francisco, Vancouver and now Portland.....that's a lot of Pacific Northwest cities!!

San Francisco is NOT the Pacific Northwest.

Quoting rta (Reply 27):
I agree. While I think PDX is good, I imagine they'd start it off with a 787-8 and see what happens before deciding to go forward with a -9.

If anything, the fact that the -9 has F may limit whether it is used in PDX.
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:14 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
Numerically and logically, the next NA destination for BA needs to be MSY.

Numerically, MSY seems by far the most logical choice. SJC, despite its current poor stats, could be the dark-horse.
Then again, as often said: a subsidy can change everything for anywhere.


Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
If anything, the fact that the -9 has F may limit whether it is used in PDX.

Has it been confirmed that all of them will have F, or is there still the possibility of them separating the -9s by subfleets with or without, similar to the 77Es?
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 40):

Has it been confirmed that all of them will have F, or is there still the possibility of them separating the -9s by subfleets with or without, similar to the 77Es?

I haven't seen anything about the first batch coming without F. I'd imagine 3 class 789s will come later, if they do.
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
San Francisco is NOT the Pacific Northwest.

Absolutely it isn't. However I once spoke to a gentleman in Tiburon, CA who called it the PNW.

My definition is anything north of Mt. Shasta, where the I-5 magically goes from beige to green.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:17 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 40):
Has it been confirmed that all of them will have F, or is there still the possibility of them separating the -9s by subfleets with or without, similar to the 77Es?

A simple statement was made by BA at last autumn's IAG Markets Day Meeting. Discussing yields that said that the yield per square metre from the F Class cabins of their long-haul fleet was lower than that from any other of their long-haul (J, W or Y) cabins. To address this issue they said that their 787 9s would only have 8 F Class seats. This is only two thirds the size of their current smallest F Class cabin, the 12 seat cabin on their RR powered four-class 772ERs. It is even less thnt the 14 seat F cabins on BA's 4-class GE powered 772ERs and all their 744s and, in particular, than the 17-seat F Class cabins on the small 772A fleet.

As far as I know this is the only public statement so far on the configuration of the cabins of these aircraft. I took the statement to be applicable to all of their 787 9s. But it could be only applicable to some of the forthcoming fleet if they choose to operate both 4- and 3-class 787 9s.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 43):
To address this issue they said that their 787 9s would only have 8 F Class seats.

Well, the 789 is a smaller plane too.
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:18 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
Well, the 789 is a smaller plane too.

Not really by much.

...same 60m wingspan, same 63m length, and the 789 has 24m2 more cargo space. 777 has the floor area advantage, with the extra row of Y possibility..

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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 45):
Not really by much.

...same 60m wingspan, same 63m length, and the 789 has 24m2 more cargo space. 777 has the floor area advantage, with the extra row of Y possibility..

Floor space is a big deal when looking at how much of that space you will use on F. Width especially matters when it comes to F.
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:53 am

Quoting lx64a332 (Reply 34):
Can we also suspect former 767 longhaul routes such as NAS, GCM, BWI, EBB, YYC, PHL, etc to see the 787

Will certainly be interesting to see how BA allocates its 8x 788s once the 767s are finally retired early next year. These are not only the smallest long-haul planes they have but also one of only two (with some 772s) that do not have F class. So will be prioritised on thin low-premium routes. So will be on ~7 of the following routes: BWI, CTU, EBB, HYD, ICN, NAS-GCM, MAA, PHL, YUL and YYC. The rest will need to up gauged to either 2-class 772s or 3-class 789s.

For the 788s, my money is on BWI, CTU, EBB, HYD, ICN, MAA and YYC. BA has also announced it will be using it on TLV as well.

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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:42 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 46):
Floor space is a big deal when looking at how much of that space you will use on F. Width especially matters when it comes to F.

Don't really follow. Seems to be it'd have less of an impact on F, and far more on Y and C.
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 44):
Well, the 789 is a smaller plane too.

That makes little if any difference.

Look at the theoretical configuration of a BA eight-first-class-seat 787-9 IF it had the same proportional reduction in seat numbers in its J, W and Y cabins that it will have in its F cabin. Then compare the result to the configuration of the majority of BA's four-class 772s.

Most of BA's four-class 772s are configured for 226 passengers (F14 / J48 / W40 / Y124). Maintaining the same ratio of seats in each cabin of a BA 787-9 based on the eight-seat F cabin gives a configuration of F8 / J27 / W23 / Y73. So the total number of seats would be only 131. Even three-class BA's 787-8s have a total of 214 seats (J35 / W25 / Y154).

Compare this result with reality. The NZ 787-9 is configured with 302 seats (J18 / W21 / Y263). Now compare this NZ configuration with BA's (more premium heavy) configuration of its 3-class 772s. They have a total of 275 seats (J48 / W24 / Y203).

So total relative floor space between a 787-9 and a 772 is a minuscule, unnoticeable factor in the BA planned reduction of 42 per cent in F Class seating in its four-class 787-9s when compared to the majority of its four-class 772s.

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