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Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 47):
The rest will need to up gauged to either 2-class 772s or 3-class 789s.

Slight correction - there are no 2-class 772s, only 4 or 3-class. Also the 789s are planned to be 4-class (F/J/W/M).
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:33 pm

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 21):

+1 for BDL. I'm really thinking someone will start a Tatl to BDL soon, whether it's BA, EI, who knows.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:53 pm

There was a rumor over in the SAN thread that BA might add a second SAN-LHR service, likely 2-3x weekly. Assuming it's true, could they be using the 789 for it? And wouldn't it allow another destination as well with the remaining 4-6 roundtrips?
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:04 pm

Outside the USA, I know Durban and Bogota have also been kicked around as possibilities for the 787; perhaps also a return to LUS with the 787's better economics?
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:09 pm

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 53):
I know Durban and Bogota have also been kicked around as possibilities

Does BA still serve CPT nonstop? Tough to tell, as their website is horrible for this sorta thing.

If not, then tough to envision them going to DUR before that.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:55 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 54):
Does BA still serve CPT nonstop? Tough to tell, as their website is horrible for this sorta thing.

If not, then tough to envision them going to DUR before that.


Yes, and usually 10x weekly to double daily on LHR-CPT, I think.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:00 am

Yes 1 a day currently, 2 a day in winter to CPT.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:29 am

BA058/59 is a daily direct LHR-CPT-LHR 744year-round rotation.

In January - the high season on this route but the low season on most BA long-haul routes - BA usually schedule a second direct daily 744 for a couple of weeks. I think this rotation is BA043/42

This allows BA to reduce operations on another route while using the LHR slots freed up more productively.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting bastew (Reply 2):
Fort Lauderdale.
Quoting klemmi85 (Reply 3):
Seriously? FLL?
I highly doubt we'll ever see LHR - FLL as long as at least two daily flights operate to the 30-ish miles away MIA.

As much as I'd love a direct connection to my fav place in SoFla I don't see it. Or did I miss something here?

  
That would be amazing. It might be able to see it on a 788/789. For people in Ft. Lauderdale, going to Miami isn't really that bad. But if you live in Palm Beach or north of that (Jupiter), it can be quite a trek. PBI doesn't have any flights to Europe. I think the market could possibly support it if they decide to send it to Ft. Lauderdale. Maybe they could cut capacity in Miami to make it work.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:35 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 29):
All, repeat all, the new aircraft to be delivered in 2015 are balanced by an equal number of planes taken out of service (a mix of 763s and 744s). In 2016 there will be a net gain of one aircraft on present plans, and the rest of the long-haul 763s disappear, along with more 744s.

I wonder how much these future plans are based on absolute barriers (cycle limits, upcoming scheduled maintenance, predicted end of spare parts inventory) and how much are variable, and how long ago they were made.

For example, if you asked the corporate economist in 2014 "How much will air travel grow next year" and they said "1%", so you planned your fleet for 1% growth, and then it turns out that over the last 6 months air travel has grown by 4%, would you expect it to decrease by 3% over the rest of the year so the prediction remained correct, or would you see about increasing service because of an inaccurate forecast?

Quoting tmiw (Reply 52):
There was a rumor over in the SAN thread that BA might add a second SAN-LHR service, likely 2-3x weekly. Assuming it's true, could they be using the 789 for it? And wouldn't it allow another destination as well with the remaining 4-6 roundtrips?

Finding a pair of less than daily destinations for a new aircraft model seems challenging, especially since I suspect most places have relatively similar daily peaks within the week, except for vacation spots.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:27 am

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 59):
I wonder how much these future plans are based on absolute barriers (cycle limits, upcoming scheduled maintenance, predicted end of spare parts inventory) and how much are variable, and how long ago they were made.

BA normally base their withdrawal plans on D-check dates. Bear in mind that the 763s have had one stay of execution already due to the delays in the earlier part of the 787 programme, if the 788s and 789s had arrived on the dates BA originally ordered them for the last 763 would have gone about 3-4 years ago.
They have their own in-house widebody maintenance operation at CWL which does the heavy checks on 763s, 744s, 772s and 773s. No doubt as time goes on they'll add 787s, A350s and A380s to their repertoire as the older types fade away. It doesn't have a lot of spare capacity for additional checks outside the planned ones and sometimes work has to be outsourced to other approved maintenance providers.
The fleet plans are announced to investors annually as rolling programmes covering several years ahead, and are often changed from one year to the next - there has to be a certain amount of flexibility to cope with late deliveries of new planes, or the incident when a 744 collided with an airport building at JNB while moving to a remote stand. When that happened an older 744 which was due for withdrawal got an extra D-check, as this was cheaper than repairing the damaged plane. And of course changing market conditions might cause BA to change their fleet requirements for the next year, but they're unlikely to change it for the current year.
Bear in mind that any brand new routes need to be announced far enough in advance for a marketing and promotion effort to be launched, that brand new long-haul routes to airports not currently served take a lot of setting up, with negotiations for gate space, check-in space, crew hotels, ground handling contracts, catering contracts and so on required, and that while BA has a lot of LHR slots it also has to use every one of them at least 80% of the time or lose them, so a shorthaul frequency or complete route (or another long-haul service) needs to be cut to provide the necessary slots for a new long haul service, or an additional frequency on an existing route. It's now less than 5 months to the start of the W15 timetable, so its unlikely there will be any further major changes to the announced fleet plan for this year unless something nasty happens on the 789 or A380 production line.
Now will 2016's fleet plan change? - that's another matter.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:40 am

I'm wondering if we might see a return to DAR - although certainly not a daily service.
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:56 am

Would it make sense for BA to fly a 788 to NAS, then operate a smaller aircraft (A319/E170/E190) for tag ons to GCM, EIS, and SXM (for Agnuilla and Montserrat)?
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:00 am

Quoting rta (Reply 58):
Maybe they could cut capacity in Miami to make it work.

Of course, the question then arises: what at FLL would give them incentive to cut service to a major O&D and cnnx gateway for them and all of OneWorld?

Thus far, the answer's been "nothing"

Seems to be sort of the stateside version of LHR vs. LGW (and before anyone says it, no, it's certainly not JFK vs. EWR)
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:09 am

Quoting migair54 (Reply 30):
Number 2 in my list is XNA, very convenient for me, but with very low possibilities or Zero.

That would be awesome. I'd go the the cell phone lot every day to watch it takeoff and land lol. But it won't happen for a long, long time if it ever happens,
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:48 am

Quoting lx64a332 (Reply 62):
Would it make sense for BA to fly a 788 to NAS, then operate a smaller aircraft (A319/E170/E190) for tag ons to GCM, EIS, and SXM (for Agnuilla and Montserrat)?

If they could find a suitable local partner who had one of these aircraft types available to operate under contract, possibly
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But not with BA's own metal and crew I think as the costs of rotating UK-based pilots and cabin crew through this kind of operation or setting up a local crew base would be significant. The E-Jets BA has aren't even operated by BA itself but by a subsidiary on different conditions, and don't fly in and out of LHR. The A319 has possibilities, but nothing more.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:13 pm

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 60):
No doubt as time goes on they'll add 787s, A350s and A380s to their repertoire as the older types fade away.

BA's intention to service their 380s at CWL is certainly there. On 29 July 2013, before it flew the first BA 380 commercial flight LHR-FRA on 2 August, BA's first 380 , G-XLEA visited CWL for ground handling trials / familiarization at BA Maintenance Cardiff. It then flew on to STN and, on the following day, SNN, the most likely diversionary airports, for similar trials / familiarization.

However this same aircraft operated an additional LHR-SIN (BA1011) revenue flight on 30 May last and then entered the HAECO facility for its first significant BA 380 maintenance procedure. Of course it is still there.

I wonder whether BAMC currently has the capacity to add the 380 to its maintenance portfolio? Or perhaps 380 training of their maintenance engineers is not yet complete?
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:35 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 66):
I wonder whether BAMC currently has the capacity to add the 380 to its maintenance portfolio? Or perhaps 380 training of their maintenance engineers is not yet complete?

The first round of C checks on the A380 will be in SIN.
BAMC would need a new hangar for the A380 heavy maintenance. With of fleet of just 12 aircraft, this hangar would be utilised for less than half the year. Yes you could put something else in the hangar, but it would be difficult to utilise all the staff that are required for the A380.
Until IAG buys more A380, I expect the heavy maint will stay in SIN.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:42 pm

Quoting nickflightx (Reply 14):

BA 788 or 789 I think would do very well to SJC, I know SJC is talking to airlines, BA has got to be one of the airlines SJC is talking to.

Oh I really wish this happens ! LHR to Silicon Valley ! I think this would be a suberb route with great loads !
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 53):
Durban and Bogota have also been kicked around as possibilities for the 787; perhaps also a return to LUS with the 787's better economics?

I'd like DUR but you can buy a BA ticket to DUR at the moment...connecting with Comair thru JNB. Anyone know how EK gets on load wise with its DXB-DUR run?
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:15 pm

Quoting FLYBYNIGHT (Reply 11):
Seattle, Vancouver and now Portland.....that's a lot of Pacific Northwest cities!!
BA schedule still has YVR-LHR as 744. Any idea if or when it will switchover to 77W?

A 789 would be nice too...

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/schedules/public/en_gb

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Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:26 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 57):
In January - the high season on this route but the low season on most BA long-haul routes - BA usually schedule a second direct daily 744 for a couple of weeks. I think this rotation is BA043/42

This allows BA to reduce operations on another route while using the LHR slots freed up more productively.

BA are double daily to CPT in the Winter, Oct-Mar, as I flew on the BA43/42 in Feb...
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting theginge (Reply 71):
BA are double daily to CPT in the Winter, Oct-Mar, as I flew on the BA43/42 in Feb...

Thanks for that.

What I should have said was not:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 57):
In January - the high season on this route but the low season on most BA long-haul routes - BA usually schedule a second direct daily 744 for a couple of weeks. I think this rotation is BA043/42

but:

'In January - the high season on this route but the low season on most BA long-haul routes - BA usually schedule a THIRD direct daily 744 for a couple of weeks. I think this rotation is BA045/44'

I checked it out on the BA Source web site. They report that this third flight operated between 3 and 11 January this year.
 
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Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:48 pm

In a recent interview BA CEO Keith Williams would not give anything away when asked about future new routes:


'Our route development strategy is, on paper, quite straightforward. We analyse the markets we don’t currently serve and look at what our customers and competitors are doing. We then crunch the numbers and analyse the commercial and operational requirements that need to be in place to make the route a success.

'Our route to Austin illustrates this quite nicely. We started operating there in March 2014 after extensive investigations. This route is doing very nicely and we are pleased with its performance.

'In terms of our wish list destinations, well, that would have our competitors rubbing their hands with glee! However, we’ve made no secret of the fact that we’re interested in the emerging economies and always looking for opportunities to add to our network.'


The full interview published on 26 May is here:

http://www.routes-news.com/airlines/...4-airlines/3048-recipe-for-success


Edit: Add publication date

[Edited 2015-06-06 14:50:29]

[Edited 2015-06-06 14:54:17]
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:56 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 1):
Due by the end of this year are 5 787-9s and an A388. Three 744s and three long haul 763s will be leaving, so don't look for much in the way of brand new routes.
Next year there will be 6 787-9s and two A388s, which replace the remaining 4 long haul 763s and another three 744s.
All this assumes there are no unforeseen delays in deliveries.
It is 2017 when five 787-9s arrive without any long haul palnes being withdrawn that I'd look for either route expansion or frequency increases.

If they want to free up some long haul capacity, they could always do it via the back door of having AA take over a few long haul frequencies on something like PHL/PHX/ORD/BOS-LHR. With the acquisition of US, AA can reallocate some transatlantic capacity, particularly from marginal routes out of CLT.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:57 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 74):

Certainly switching hub-to-hub flying between JV partners is one way to overcome a short-term lack ot aircraft.
But if we're talking about places that aren't hubs, or aren't hubs with crew bases for the appropriate aircraft types, such as BOS or PHX as subjects for switching, so that AA would have to operate a complicated combination of flights to get the plane and crew back to the starting point, then it is just as easy for AA to launch the completely new transatlantic routes as for BA, and less disruptive to existing bookings.
This is particularly so if you consider that replacing a BA 744 on once-daily routes such as PHX with an A330 is going to leave rather a gap in capacity. The same applies if a pmUS 757 appears on an Eastern Seaboard route with low frequency.
Now switching one daily frequency on JFK-LHR to an AA/US plane would have a smaller impact overall.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:07 am

Quoting Andy33 (Reply 75):
Certainly switching hub-to-hub flying between JV partners is one way to overcome a short-term lack ot aircraft.
But if we're talking about places that aren't hubs, or aren't hubs with crew bases for the appropriate aircraft types, such as BOS or PHX as subjects for switching, so that AA would have to operate a complicated combination of flights to get the plane and crew back to the starting point, then it is just as easy for AA to launch the completely new transatlantic routes as for BA, and less disruptive to existing bookings.
This is particularly so if you consider that replacing a BA 744 on once-daily routes such as PHX with an A330 is going to leave rather a gap in capacity. The same applies if a pmUS 757 appears on an Eastern Seaboard route with low frequency.
Now switching one daily frequency on JFK-LHR to an AA/US plane would have a smaller impact overall.

On second thought, PHX is likely not so great a fit. BOS, on the other hand could be done by something like a BOS-LHR-PHL-LHR-BOS rotation with a 330 or something like that where you swap out aircraft/crew at Heathrow.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 76):

But in that case why not just take over a BA rotation on PHL - LHR? Much less complicated, and cheaper to operate.
I know US based airlines quite often swap crews between routes in the way you describe, and with multiple destinations to serve at the US end it is often unavoidable, but out and back (with appropriate rest periods in between of course) is always the cheapest way if it can be achieved. Isn't that why the AA flights between BOS and LHR switched to BA in the first place?
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2015 7:00 pm

The obvious places for AA to take over BA routes are PHL, JFK, DFW and ORD, where there is existing wide body infrastructure. However, that does presume AA has suitable wide body aircraft available as well. Unrefited 77Es and 763s will not do, if the expectation is fully lie flat J seats.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:50 am

STILL no word on where these aircraft will be deployed.

The configuration has been released internally though:
8 in First. 42 in Club World. 39 in World Traveller Plus. 127 in the back of the bus.

Chatting to a 787 Captain the other day he reckons a lack of pilots at BA will be the biggest threat to new long haul routes and the 787 will likely reappear on short haul euro routes to build up take off and landing experience.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:08 am

I must say I feel something wrong. BA normally is well ahead with its aircraft scheduling (we knew 787/A380 routes nearly 8 months out!). I wonder if there is a delivery delay or perhaps a problem with the new seats or do they truly not know where they are sending them yet? I find it very unlike BA.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 11:08 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 57):

This service is double-daily 744 for the whole season (Oct-Mar), and this year they increased to 3 daily for 2 weeks in January.
The low-season (Apr-Oct) is now 9 - 10 weekly...daily 744, plus 2 - 3 weekly 772, at the moment this is 2 weekly (May-Jul), think might go to 3 weekly from August.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:00 pm

The 787 and a380 were new aircraft types and this is just a new variant. I imagine the lack of an announcement suggests initially it's more likely to be introduced on existing 787 routes as more of a soft launch at least until the winter schedule kicks in at the end of October.
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:22 pm

Quoting APYu (Reply 82):
initially it's more likely to be introduced on existing 787 routes as more of a soft launch at least until the winter schedule kicks in at the end of October

Let's not expect a windfall of 789s being delivered ahead of the winter schedule launch...
Current delivery timeline looks like the following:
> G-ZBKA: end of Sep
> G-ZBKB: end of Oct/early Nov
> G-ZBKC: mid/end Nov
> G-ZBKD: end Nov
> G-ZBKE: end Dec

This means maybe one frame ready to go long-haul by launch of winter schedule, perhaps not even if they decide to put it on an ARN rotation to build landings and hours.

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Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:46 pm

Quoting bastew (Reply 79):
The configuration has been released internally though:
8 in First. 42 in Club World. 39 in World Traveller Plus. 127 in the back of the bus.

Wow, so only two more seats than the 787-8? Wikipedia shows 35 J, 25 W, and 154 Y for a total of 214 seats on the 787-8, whereas the 787-9 adds up to 216. Sounds like they are really just treating the 789 as a more premium-heavy version of the 788.

Quoting APYu (Reply 82):
The 787 and a380 were new aircraft types and this is just a new variant.

I hope BA splits out the 788 and 789 in their schedules, but somehow I have a feeling that it will be like the 777 where the 772 and 77W aren't differentiated. As an aviation geek, that's the most annoying thing ever  .
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:07 pm

Why would they need to build up landing and hours on a new variant of an existing type?
It wasn't necessary when the 773 arrived - they just stuck a 'remember this is the longer one' notice around the place.
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:13 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 84):
I hope BA splits out the 788 and 789 in their schedules, but somehow I have a feeling that it will be like the 777 where the 772 and 77W aren't differentiated. As an aviation geek, that's the most annoying thing ever .

Since the 788s are 3-class and the 789s will be 4-class it shouldn't be too difficult to work out.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:07 pm

Quoting APYu (Reply 85):
Why would they need to build up landing and hours on a new variant of an existing type?

It's not for the plane, it would be for the new crew.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
Current delivery timeline looks like the following:
> G-ZBKA: end of Sep
> G-ZBKB: end of Oct/early Nov
> G-ZBKC: mid/end Nov
> G-ZBKD: end Nov
> G-ZBKE: end Dec

Some slight slippage from that expected last October:

> G-ZBKA: 15 Sep
> G-ZBKB: 9 Oct
> G-ZBKC: 15 Oct
> G-ZBKD: 24 Nov
> G-ZBKE: Nov

Even though the slippage is small it is significant. The old delivery dates included three deliveries before the start of the Winter Timetable. Now it looks like just one will arrive by then. Perhaps this is why BA have not yet announced a route programme?

Quoting FSDan (Reply 84):
only two more seats than the 787-8?

Here's the direct comparison:

787-8: F0 / J35 / W25 / Y154 Total 214
787-9: F8 / J42 / W39 / Y127 Total 216

787- 9 v 787-8: F +INF; J +12.6%; W +56.0%; Y -17,5%; Total +0.9%

So yes. The 9 is premium rich compared to the 8. But it is pretty close to matching the distribution and total number of seats in BA's GE powered 4-class 772s:

787-9: F 3,7%; J 19.4%; W18.1%; Y 58.8%; Total 100%
772 : F 6.2%; J 21.2%; W17.7%; Y 54.9%; Total 100%

Here are the actual seat numbers for the 9 and both the GE and RR powered 4-class 772s:

787-9 : F8 / J42 / W39 / Y127; Total 216
772 (GE): F14 / J48 / W40 / Y124; Total 226
772 (RR): F12 / J48 / W32 / Y127; Total 210
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:30 pm

Why would the new crew need to build up hours and landings on a new VARIANT? from a licence perspective it's the same aircraft type. They'll just need to read a book on the slight differences. That's the beauty of variants. Practically seamless from a crew perspective.
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:59 pm

Quoting APYu (Reply 89):

Why would the new crew need to build up hours and landings on a new VARIANT? from a licence perspective it's the same aircraft type. They'll just need to read a book on the slight differences. That's the beauty of variants. Practically seamless from a crew perspective.


With the delivery of 787-9's, BA needs a larger pool of pilots certified to fly the 787.
 
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 88):

787-9 : F8 / J42 / W39 / Y127; Total 216
772 (GE): F14 / J48 / W40 / Y124; Total 226
772 (RR): F12 / J48 / W32 / Y127; Total 210

Sorry VV701, but the 772 (RR) adds up to 219.

It is interesting to see how close the configurations are. Clearly, BA are 'rightsizing' the F cabin to increase revenue per square metre of cabin space.

Given the efficiency of the 787, I wonder if we will see them on some of the longer 772 routes, with the displaced 772's taking over some of the 767 routes.

[Edited 2015-06-17 11:34:09]
 
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:46 pm

What has BA done with BWI?

Has it already gone from 763ER to 788, or have they not made their scheduled replacement public yet?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:22 pm

Is BA happy to only fly to a few destinations in South America and feed through IB and their more extensive network?
 
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 92):
What has BA done with BWI?

Has it already gone from 763ER to 788, or have they not made their scheduled replacement public yet?

Currently it is being operated by a 763. According to the BA web site their daily BWI BA22/28 rotation will still be operated by a 763 at least up until the end of next Winter's Timetable on 26 March. But there's plenty of time for a change before then.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 93):

Is BA happy to only fly to a few destinations in South America and feed through IB and their more extensive network?


SCL has been predicted ever since LAN joined OneWorld. An ideal 787 route, you would think, but still no signs.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:56 am

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 93):
Is BA happy to only fly to a few destinations in South America and feed through IB and their more extensive network?

In a word, yes. After all, BA and Iberia have the same owner, IAG.
 
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:30 am

Quoting TedToToe (Reply 90):

And those extra pilots will gain their certification on the existing 788 fleet so no need to schedule short 789 rotations to do so.
We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
 
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RE: British Airways - New Long Haul/B789 Routes

Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:48 am

Quoting APYu (Reply 97):
And those extra pilots will gain their certification on the existing 788 fleet so no need to schedule short 789 rotations to do so.

True, they'd need to schedule short 788 rotations instead if they want to get any meaningful number through certification quickly. Either way short 787 rotations!
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:44 am

Does the BA 787-9 seating plan still stick with their much criticized 9 across in Y?

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