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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:44 am

Question, who does the maintenance on all the F100s in Aus/PNG? Is it done in house by Alliance/QF et al or who?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:48 pm

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 37):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 31):
& 2/6 QF93 MEL-LAX diverted to AKL after departing SYD due to a medical.

Where'd you see that???

As mentioned below....

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
Discussed in previous thread. QF93 first diverted to SYD due to mechanical then diverted to AKL due to a medical on the same flight

        

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 40):
I remember reading somewhere it got even more complicated as the crew were out of hours. Whether this was because of the SYD stop, with new crew from SYD or the AKL stop, I am unsure

I believe several things added to this such as a mechanical issue becoming a rolling delay & Sydney not being prepared for the additional service which resulted in flying in fresh crew.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 49):
Yes, but both FR24 and Flightaware show the flight flew SYD-LAX non-stop (i.e no AKL diversion), so i'm not sure where EK413 got that from?

Flight diverted to AKL after departing SYD due to a medical onboard and then continued onto LAX. I wouldn't be making it up if hadn't happened believe me.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:54 am

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
I'm interested in your statement about VA reducing services, then upping then under the guise of a service expansion? What routes exactly are you talking about?

BNE-DPS is one...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:30 am

USN C-40 visited BNE again today.

EY484 is running 3 hours late tonight... so far it hasn't departed AUH on time once!


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e303/OZJIM/C405836_zpswj2zg96i.jpg

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:21 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 53):
EY484 is running 3 hours late tonight... so far it hasn't departed AUH on time once!

I remember when EY started PER last year in the first couple of months they consistently ran late between 30mins to an hour. I think you will find that in their scheduling they would allow for extra ground time. Looking at recent PER flights AUH-PER normally takes off within 30-60 minutes of scheduled time.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:26 am

The best so far is 53 minutes late ex AUH, and that was the 77W that's in every few days not 789. Generally they've arrived on time or close too it as there is some nice tailwinds at the moment. We are hoping for it to leave on time so we can catch it in daylight during winter...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 52):
Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
I'm interested in your statement about VA reducing services, then upping then under the guise of a service expansion? What routes exactly are you talking about?

BNE-DPS is one...

I never made such statements I'm afraid you quoted another users comments...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:36 am

There are some comments on this thread about VA maybe dropping HIR and POM. Given both routes have been expanded lately, I doubt they are likely to be dropped. Remember these are markets which may have lower load factors but command higher fares, so they probably do quite well for VA.

BNEDPS is a different story however. I think that market is hurting for everyone - GA has recently pulled out. Maybe a Tiger opportunity, if the A320 has the legs?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:42 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 56):
I never made such statements I'm afraid you quoted another users comments...

Looks like there's a ghost in the machine mate...

Quoting aussie_ (Reply 57):
BNEDPS is a different story however. I think that market is hurting for everyone - GA has recently pulled out. Maybe a Tiger opportunity, if the A320 has the legs?

GA pulled out, but there were several factors (some of which non commercial related) and afraid can't post here.
Tiger... no an A320 can't make BNE-DPS nonstop... even the better range 738's are weight restricted.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:09 pm

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 58):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 56):
I never made such statements I'm afraid you quoted another users comments...

Looks like there's a ghost in the machine mate...

Once again I never made the statement you quoted & I would've admitted had I done so...

Recommend calling Ghostbusters...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 39):
I ask because Qantas.com, flightaware and FR24 all show the flight (searching on both QF93 and VH-OQI) as operating SYD-LAX nonstop.

That is what I saw on FR24.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:48 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 51):
Flight diverted to AKL after departing SYD due to a medical onboard and then continued onto LAX. I wouldn't be making it up if hadn't happened believe me.

Where did you get this information from though? Every source is indicating that the flight went nonstop from SYD and the arrival time into LAX would correlate with this unless they've found a way to do SYD-AKL-LAX in 13hrs.

Not doubting you at all, just seeking some clarification.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:22 am

I'm just going to leave this link here & sit back and watch this thread melt down after they mentioned Qantas and 777 in the same sentence...

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-flags...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper   
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:04 am

Quoting Enobar (Reply 62):
I'm just going to leave this link here & sit back and watch this thread melt down after they mentioned Qantas and 777 in the same sentence...

Such a bs article -- AusBT has declined rapidly in the last 18 months.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:23 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):
AusBT has declined rapidly in the last 18 months

          

I agree 100%.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:47 am

Not sure if anyone has seen it, but on OOL's website their doing a public consultation to install a ILS. Hopefully this takes off, will be really positive in some of the edgier weather.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:57 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 63):

AUSBT has become too non-critical regurgitating press releases more often than not and someone should tell them most people don't care about the food served in the Qantas First Lounge
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:45 pm

Quoting VA82 (Reply 65):

Not sure if anyone has seen it, but on OOL's website their doing a public consultation to install a ILS. Hopefully this takes off, will be really positive in some of the edgier weather.

Apparently its causing some community concern. Not normally one to agree with NIMBYs but it does take the flight path right over most of the Gold Coast middle suburbs, as opposed to now when it is over the ocean. Shame the runway wasnt 18/36 rather than 32/14 and it wouldnt be a problem!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:36 pm

QF says return to investment grade credit rating can be achieved with any potential 787-9 order

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...ed-with-any-potential-787-9-order/

A Melbourne based A330 pilot who is also an artist has painted the retro roo in an outback setting with prints to go on sale at a Brisbane event on August 5. They will also be available for the general public to purchase. Money raised will help drought stricken farmers.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...ro-roo-to-raise-money-for-farmers/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:03 am

Last Friday I flew SYD-PQQ on QF opb Eastern Australia. I am not sure of the overall feeling of Australians, but I am still very impressed by the service from the Australian carriers as compared to the service from United States carriers. It was an hour flight on a DH8C and we got a snack as well as a free glass of wine. That is unheard of in the US! Monday I flew VA PQQ-SYD on an AT76 and while we got a snack, it did not compare to the QF service, just a granola bar. Speaking of PQQ, nice little airport. I loved the fact that you claimed your luggage off of the baggage cart outside of the terminal since there was no baggage belts. And while it was not a too busy airport, the outdoor waiting area was nice to watch the few planes that were active.
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 69):
I loved the fact that you claimed your luggage off of the baggage cart outside of the terminal since there was no baggage belts. And while it was not a too busy airport, the outdoor waiting area was nice to watch the few planes that were active.

Yep, amen to that. Reminds me of what the Adelaide domestic terminal was like in the early 80's. If you are ever at MEB (Essendon) go have a look at that terminal, the same building still stands that serviced AN and TN until 1971. I quite often go there on my way home from spotting at MEL, sit down, look over the apron and reflect. I can still picture the terminal layout and even where the Newsstand used to be (yep, I am showing my age, unashamedly). AN (Ansett) was at the L/H and TN (TAA) at the R/H end. Air New Zealand and QF Electras were emplaned/deplaned at the TN end of the building.
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:01 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 47):
I wouldn't say that TSA is the 'principal' disadvantage of connecting through the USA. While I detest the entire organisation and everyone who works there, it is just airport security, no different to anywhere else in the world. Having to go through US customs and immigration is a much bigger factor IMHO.

See I've never had a problem with US Customs and Immigration, I find both to be relatively quick and efficient. The TSA, on the other hand, I find appalling. But everyone has different annoyance factors. It would be better for the US to allow transit pax to not do all of that and their airports would probably make much more duty free $$$ out of the deal. But, alas, they are not yet that sensible.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:06 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 69):
I am not sure of the overall feeling of Australians, but I am still very impressed by the service from the Australian carriers as compared to the service from United States carriers

Yes but how did the cost compare?

(that's a genuine question, coming from someone who hasn't travelled in the US before, are the Americans at least getting cheaper tickets for their ordinary service?)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:21 am

Quoting benjjk (Reply 72):
Yes but how did the cost compare?

(that's a genuine question, coming from someone who hasn't travelled in the US before, are the Americans at least getting cheaper tickets for their ordinary service?)

I think ticket prices are about the same with the AUD to USD conversion. Not just the prices but the equipment used, QF running A330s on SYD-MEL is something you would not see similar in the States, that would be like AA running B767s between ORD-STL on a regular basis.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:08 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 69):
I am not sure of the overall feeling of Australians, but I am still very impressed by the service from the Australian carriers as compared to the service from United States carriers.
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 71):
See I've never had a problem with US Customs and Immigration, I find both to be relatively quick and efficient. The TSA, on the other hand, I find appalling.

I'm just back from my fourth trip to the US in the past 18 months. This one included a few domestic flights on AA. So here are my brief thoughts both about both these quoted topics.

I've never found US immigration staff at LAX, JFK and EWR to be hostile (it helps that I'm white and a native English speaker), just lazy and bored. They could process people faster if they could be arsed and they could be more pleasant. Mind you, me and half a dozen other pax got in a shouting match with a prick from Immigration in Melbourne last time I flew into MEL internationally). Another story for another time...Nowadays that would probably lead to revocation of citizenship!    ) So I'd put US and Australian immigration on a par for lacklustre staff attitudes, but SYD well in front of the US ports I've used for efficiency and speed from aircraft to cab. (20 minutes last week in Sydney).

TSA security screening is a joke. Shouting at people, being belligerent. The charade of removing shoes and belts that holds everything up. etc etc. Maybe part of it is encountering more inexperienced travellers compared to SYD T3 on a weekday morning, but I think the staff attitudes and ageing infrastructure have a lot to do with it too. Best of all are the Australian regional airports where we don't have to go through the pointless security circus at all!!

AA Admirals Club lounges at LAX, LGA and MIA were all more pleasant than I expected in terms of ambiance and decor from the horror stories I'd read. True, catering is non-existent which sucks, but the food for purchase is no more inflated in cost than elsewhere in the terminal. Though give me a Qantas club any day.

AA transcon business class in the new A321 was a great hard product. Better than all but the new QF A330 J cabins operating Oz transcon. IFE was comparable (or better depending on the QF aircraft operating). Catering was to American tastes I guess and AA J service was a rung below what we get on QF ... in Y.

AA LGA-MIA-LGA felt very LCC by Australian standards. Grubby seats, fizzy drink or fizzy drink the only option on a 3 hour flight, etc etc. QF and VA both have their fans and detractors, but they both offer a reasonably consistent product and service culture that no doubt has been tested on their target markets and is rolled out via training to all their staff. QF aim for upmarket, sophisticated but not too aloof (on a good day I rated them up there with SQ/NH/JL/OZ etc. On a bad day it can come across as sniffy). VA a bit more blonde and bubbly, but attempting (occasionally successfully) to shed their LCC image. Both are predictable. AA was all over the shop in comparison. I had no sense whatsoever of the service or company culture they were trying (or not) to instil.

I think we are lucky to still have a culture of quality and service on domestic flights here. VA rebranding has kept that alive. Flying domestically in India and Iran (of all places!!) are the only examples of domestic flying in my experience that have come close in terms of inflight amenity and service. The US is on par with mainland China on the other hand.

No doubt the QF beancounters are circling the free grog and food and doing their sums. Certainly the quality has been declining. Is VA still a complete dog's breakfast as to whether you'll be fed and watered?? (Golden triangle flights on days with a waxing moon get tea but not a muffin before 5pm and bugger all afterwards unless you are on an obscure "flexi" fare - that doesn't actually allow you to change your flight - in which case you'll get beer and nuts) I haven't flown them for 6 or 12 months now for this very reason...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:59 pm

In its Q1 2015 Investor Presentation Air Asia X has highlighted upcoming / to be confirmed destinations for its Indonesian and Thai franchises:

Indonesia Air Asia X - IAAX

- Brisbane (new port for Air Asia group)
- Sydney

Refer slide 11 in linked presentation below.

Thai Air Asia X - TAAX

- Melbourne

Refer slide 10 in linked presentation below.

Source - Air Asia X
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:05 pm

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 24):
-VN 4-5x weekly SGN... I think the VN ship has sailed + Vietnamese diaspora in BEN is small compared to SYD7MEL


A lot can change in the space of a few years but Vietnam Airlines is reportedly planning to start flights to Brisbane and Perth:

Source - TRweekly

[Edited 2015-06-09 06:18:28]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:11 pm

Qantas is restarting SFO. Joyce just announced. 6 days a week to be started by end of year. 747 equipment.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:16 pm

BIG NEWS OUT OF QF/AA NEWS CONFERENCE

AA will operate LAX-SYD daily 77W from 17 December 2015
QF will go from 2 daily flights (1x A380 and 1 x 744) to go to daily A380 and 3 weekly 744
QF to recommence SFO - 6 weekly 744 from 20 December 2015

Alan Joyce commented that DFW services are doing extremely well

[Edited 2015-06-09 12:44:11]

[Edited 2015-06-09 12:45:47]
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:36 pm

My first thought was that QF have really gone off the rails this time, gifting their most lucrative route to a sub-par carrier that provides a mediocre service offering from front to back. Their premium FFs aren't going to be happy. On reflection at least they are keeping the premium QF17/18 rotation, but if it wasn't hard enough getting an O/Q/N/T/I seat on that flight now it is about to get a whole lot more difficult. The afternoon departure definitely carries a less premium traffic mix, so maybe AA will be fine if they stick to that, but I am very, very concerned about the negative blow back from QFs premium customers.

Having SFO is nice, but I would much rather wait until QF had enough metal to operate both routes. Giving away LAX is a really, really scary thought. The route is far too valuable to go and piss off the people who almost singlehandedly keep QAI in the black.
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting QF175 (Reply 75):
Indonesia Air Asia X - IAAX

- Brisbane (new port for Air Asia group)
- Sydney

Refer slide 11 in linked presentation below.

Just what the BNE-DPS market needs - more capacity!   Seriously though, if this starts then I would expect to see VA exit shortly after.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 78):
BIG NEWS OUT OF QF/AA NEWS CONFERENCE

AA will operate LAX-SYD daily 77W from 17 December 2015
QF will go from 2 daily flights (1x A380 and 1 x 744) to go to daily A380 and 3 weekly 744
QF to recommence SFO - 6 weekly 744 from 20 December 2015

Alan Joyce commented that DFW services are doing extremely well

Couldn't believe it when I checked my phone and saw this - great news!

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 79):

My first thought was that QF have really gone off the rails this time, gifting their most lucrative route to a sub-par carrier that provides a mediocre service offering from front to back. Their premium FFs aren't going to be happy. On reflection at least they are keeping the premium QF17/18 rotation, but if it wasn't hard enough getting an O/Q/N/T/I seat on that flight now it is about to get a whole lot more difficult. The afternoon departure definitely carries a less premium traffic mix, so maybe AA will be fine if they stick to that, but I am very, very concerned about the negative blow back from QFs premium customers.

Having SFO is nice, but I would much rather wait until QF had enough metal to operate both routes. Giving away LAX is a really, really scary thought. The route is far too valuable to go and piss off the people who almost singlehandedly keep QAI in the black.

I can definitely see where you are coming from, and we will now have 5 direct competitors on the route, including the US3 and the 2 major Australian carriers - who would have thought that 10 years ago! I can only assume that the AA service will be more US-market orientated, rather than the Australian-based passengers. Someone was mentioning in the other thread that UA's services survive based on some very lucrative US passengers flying to Australia, so I am thinking that AA may be going after those.

QF should be fine - they are still retaining 3x weekly service. Also, what are QF premium customers going to do to retaliate? If they don't like AA, they certainly aren't going to move across to UA or DL services.... and VA is unlikely given they still fail to offer the late afternoon service SYD-LAX which QF does.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:00 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 79):
but I am very, very concerned about the negative blow back from QFs premium customers.

I would think that a brand new 77W with 1-2-1 all aisle access lay flat J would be good for premium passengers?

I also don't understand why this is bad for QF - they drop what 4 frequencies (they retained three 744s to LAX I think) but gained 7 (?) 747 frequencies to a new market and share revenue on AA's new 7 flights. Maybe I am missing something but it sounds like they will make more money this way.

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[Edited 2015-06-09 15:07:17]
 
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:14 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 79):
My first thought was that QF have really gone off the rails this time, gifting their most lucrative route to a sub-par carrier that provides a mediocre service offering from front to back. Their premium FFs aren't going to be happy. On reflection at least they are keeping the premium QF17/18 rotation, but if it wasn't hard enough getting an O/Q/N/T/I seat on that flight now it is about to get a whole lot more difficult. The afternoon departure definitely carries a less premium traffic mix, so maybe AA will be fine if they stick to that, but I am very, very concerned about the negative blow back from QFs premium customers.
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 81):
I would think that a brand new 77W with 1-2-1 all aisle access lay flat J would be good for premium passengers?

I think your concerns there are totally unfounded. The new 77W which AA will use on the route looks to be excellent. It's probably the best First Class of all the US carriers and has a similar Business layout to CX. I'd be keen to try them in their premium classes.

As for SFO, I've maintained consistently on this board that QF needed to go back there. The fact AJ has come out and said that SFO gets the highest Corporate demand of a city unserved directly from Australia should be a hint that this route comes with substantial backing already.

I simply re-iterate what I think QF's North America Services will look like in future:

SYD - LAX - A380/789
SYD - SFO - 789
SYD - YVR - 789
SYD - HNL - 788/A330
SYD - DFW - A380

MEL - LAX - A380 / 789

BNE - LAX - 789
BNE - DFW - 789

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:40 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 78):
BIG NEWS OUT OF QF/AA NEWS CONFERENCE

AA will operate LAX-SYD daily 77W from 17 December 2015
QF will go from 2 daily flights (1x A380 and 1 x 744) to go to daily A380 and 3 weekly 744

Wow, choices when I go home to the States for Christmas this year. AA with the 77W or QF and the A380. Both great choices. Maybe I can swing a trip on each carrier for the inbound and outbound flights. And will be looking forward to spotting the 77W at SYD this summer.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:09 pm

I think there's another angle to AA entering LAX-SYD, beside the need for QF to use a 744 on SYD-SFO. The new AA is far more competitive with costs than the old AA ever was, and now has the right aircraft to fly along side QF to SYD. Until they started receiving 787s, there weren't enough 77Ws for them to send to SYD. The priority was their TATL partnership with BA, and starting HKG where they have no JV partner to rely on. The new AA likely has lower costs than QF so both carriers benefit from AA "taking" a SYD flight.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 79):
My first thought was that QF have really gone off the rails this time, gifting their most lucrative route to a sub-par carrier that provides a mediocre service offering from front to back.

AA's 77W is actually superior to QF's 744/A380 in J as all seats allow direct aisle access, and don't suffer from the "droop" of the SkyBed MkII. However for those in Y it is quite a downgrade. This is also a cut in the number of Y+ seats, as AA Y+ is no comparison to QF Y+.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 80):
Also, what are QF premium customers going to do to retaliate?

This, in a nutshell, is why it won't have much effect on QF. There's nowhere for them to go.
If anything the remaining QF services will be harder to get seats on (especially award seats). You may also find that more of the PER-USA traffic will choose CX or EK if the AA offering isn't up to scratch.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 82):
I think your concerns there are totally unfounded. The new 77W which AA will use on the route looks to be excellent. It's probably the best First Class of all the US carriers and has a similar Business layout to CX. I'd be keen to try them in their premium classes.

I'm inclined to agree. If UA's 8-across J can still attract premium pax, when *A fliers have the option of NZ via AKL, then AA shouldn't have problems selling their service.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:29 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 78):

Aarrgghhh!!! Why did this news need to break right before my Data Exam tomorrow?!!   ... As if I need any more distractions. LOL  

Anyway, this is exciting news for QF and AA. Anyone know when these flights will be released for sale?

This announcement could be the final nail in the coffin for the 8 remaining A380's that QF have on the books. Before today, I could see a time when QF go double daily A380 between SYD and LAX... Maybe not so much now.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:01 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 82):
I think your concerns there are totally unfounded. The new 77W which AA will use on the route looks to be excellent. It's probably the best First Class of all the US carriers and has a similar Business layout to CX. I'd be keen to try them in their premium classes.

The seats are fine (great, actually). It's what you get once you're in those seats that concerns me. I'm sure it won't be an issue (for QF's balance sheet) in reality, but it would be nice to see some service standardisations like there were with QF/EK (ie AA to offer pyjamas in J and QF catering on this route).

These changes also set up what will be a formidable presence on this route come the 789s in 2017 -- daily QF A380, daily AA 77W and daily QF 789 (continuing to JFK).

But most of all, I'm now giddy with excitement to see that AA 77W landing at SYD soon!
           

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:13 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 85):
This, in a nutshell, is why it won't have much effect on QF. There's nowhere for them to go.
If anything the remaining QF services will be harder to get seats on (especially award seats). You may also find that more of the PER-USA traffic will choose CX or EK if the AA offering isn't up to scratch.

I don't see why this is an issue because:

1. It's always been quicker for PER customers to access the Central and Eastern US via CX anyway;
2. QF is actually maintaining its US capacity albeit spreading it out onto a new city;
3. If you are a QF Corporate Customer, San Francisco and Houston are the only top 10 Corporate destinations which QF didn't serve directly prior to this announcement. So this enhances QF's Corporate customer competitiveness as did DFW by getting corporates closer to IAH;
4. The AA first and business class offering is pretty darn nice on the 77W. Sure it's not quite QF in first but arguably the AA 77W business class is a better hard product. If you're in Y+ you wouldn't fly with AA anyway.

So on balance I don't see anything for Corporate Customers who are paying to fly up front to worry about. If you're in economy then you might have something to complain about.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:29 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 84):
You may also find that more of the PER-USA traffic will choose CX or EK if the AA offering isn't up to scratch.

A little, yes, but will also likely divert more from PER-SYD-LAX to PER-BNE-LAX, a market with extra-capacity lately thanks to VA.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 87):
If you are a QF Corporate Customer, San Francisco and Houston are the only top 10 Corporate destinations which QF didn't serve directly prior to this announcement. So this enhances QF's Corporate customer competitiveness as did DFW by getting corporates closer to IAH;

Are you suggesting we will see SYD-IAH soon on QF metal?   
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:05 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 88):
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 87):
If you are a QF Corporate Customer, San Francisco and Houston are the only top 10 Corporate destinations which QF didn't serve directly prior to this announcement. So this enhances QF's Corporate customer competitiveness as did DFW by getting corporates closer to IAH;

Are you suggesting we will see SYD-IAH soon on QF metal?

LOL Alas no. I think the direct DFW service covers IAH more than adequately.......Although if we were to have another mining / oil & gas boom I wouldn't put it past them. There is a surprising amount of Aussie Corporate traffic on the route.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:48 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 37):
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 60):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 61):

Apologise to all as this was the indication at the time. There was a medical onboard the flight shortly after departure and a diversion to AKL was planned. Based on the above posts and all sources indicating the flight operated direct SYD-LAX.

Thought I'll add with today's exciting news hearing through the grape vines the timings will be similar to the QF17/18 service.

Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:13 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement  

With what aircraft? Isn't the fleet pretty stretched as is?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:17 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 91):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement  

With what aircraft? Isn't the fleet pretty stretched as is?


What I'm thinking. Things seem to be Looking postive for a 789 order this year me thinking.
Also will be great to see the amazing AA colours in aussie sky's!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:37 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 91):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement  

With what aircraft? Isn't the fleet pretty stretched as is?

Correct and only tighter with -OJI heading off into retirement end of the month.

From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

Anyhow it's not confirmed, that's why I said watch this space  
Quoting a320fan (Reply 92):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 91):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement  

With what aircraft? Isn't the fleet pretty stretched as is?


What I'm thinking. Things seem to be Looking postive for a 789 order this year me thinking.
Also will be great to see the amazing AA colours in aussie sky's!

Definitely happening with today's exciting announcement and more to follow  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:50 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 93):

From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

Maybe seasonal daily services initially? LA are meant to be increasing AKL-SYD to aswell. So QF 744 utilization at this stage from January looks like

BNE-LAX Daily 2 Aircraft
SYD-SFO 6 weekly 2 aircraft
SYD/MEL-LAX 5 weekly 1.5 aircraft
SYD-SCL Daily? 1.5 aircraft
SYD-HND Daily 1.5 aircraft
SYD-HKG Daily 1 aircraft (A380 in peak season)
SYD-JNB Daily 1.5 aircraft (I presume JNB will probably use the 2 old config aircraft, maybe with HND on alternate days.)

Pretty tight, I'd imagine SCL might be daily during December January when HKG is an A380? Also YVR operates in DEC/JAN but SFO is only 3 weekly while YVR operates.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:44 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 88):
Are you suggesting we will see SYD-IAH soon on QF metal?

If you look at the table that QF provided (slide 132 of the recent investor day presentation), SFO and IAH are basically neck and neck in terms of the amount of corporate revenue they generate.

It's not right for QF but NZ should do very well on that route.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 93):
From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

It should be possible with 11 frames, assuming a SYD-SFO schedule that dovetails into the SYD-SCL one, for example:

QF73 2200 to 1820
QF74 2300 to 0645 +1

QF27 1125 to 1105
QF28 1430 to 1745 +1

Overall, 11 frames could do:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 SYD/MEL-LAX (with 2 days downtime each week)
3 SYD-SFO/SCL (with one block of about 18hrs downtime each week due to SYD-SFO being 6wk)
3 SYD-TYO/JNB
1 SYD-HKG

That would be extremely tight and there would be absolutely zero tolerance for events like those of the last couple of months with an A380 unexpectedly out of service. Seems extremely risky to me but easily solved by switching to A330s on SYD-HKG
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 94):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 93):

From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

Maybe seasonal daily services initially?

All I'll say is it's going to be an extremely tightly operated B744 fleet.  
Quoting qf002 (Reply 95):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 93):
From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

It should be possible with 11 frames, assuming a SYD-SFO schedule that dovetails into the SYD-SCL one, for example:

QF73 2200 to 1820
QF74 2300 to 0645 +1

QF27 1125 to 1105
QF28 1430 to 1745 +1

Overall, 11 frames could do:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 SYD/MEL-LAX (with 2 days downtime each week)
3 SYD-SFO/SCL (with one block of about 18hrs downtime each week due to SYD-SFO being 6wk)
3 SYD-TYO/JNB
1 SYD-HKG

That would be extremely tight and there would be absolutely zero tolerance for events like those of the last couple of months with an A380 unexpectedly out of service. Seems extremely risky to me but easily solved by switching to A330s on SYD-HKG

Definitely going to be a tight ship and as you say should the unexpected aircraft go u/s can easily be resolved with an A330 substitution.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:00 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement
Quoting EK413 (Reply 93):
From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

Is the expanded Chile bilateral agreement law yet? The register of available capacity at the IASC is still only showing 2000 seats total and 517 for allocation while the Department of Infrastructure isn't showing a Treaty.

So unless I've missed something QF can't announce a daily SCL service because it doesn't yet have enough available rights.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:22 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 96):
All I'll say is it's going to be an extremely tightly operated B744 fleet.  

Seems strange that the older the aircraft gets, the tighter QF are choosing to run it, just a testament to the reliability of the 747 I suppose!

Will wait for confirmation, but surely this is a lot of extra capacity on the Oz-South America market with LA and soon NZ... what is LA currently operating on SCL-AKL? Wasn't it meant to be 10x weekly?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 122

Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:26 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 97):

Quoting EK413 (Reply 90):
Just watch this space as there's talk of QF SYD-SCL daily service announcement
Quoting EK413 (Reply 93):
From my understanding a very tight schedule will enable the SCL to become daily.

Is the expanded Chile bilateral agreement law yet? The register of available capacity at the IASC is still only showing 2000 seats total and 517 for allocation while the Department of Infrastructure isn't showing a Treaty.

So unless I've missed something QF can't announce a daily SCL service because it doesn't yet have enough available rights.

Was increased to 4,000 seats 17th of February 2015.

On Monday, Australia announced that it had renegotiated an air services agreement with Chile, doubling the flight capacity between the two countries to 4,000 seats per week. The new deal is expected to boost bilateral tourism, enhancing the cooperation between Australian airline Qantas and Chilean airline LAN, which are partners in the Oneworld alliance of international airlines. Their operational systems are already compatible but this new agreement removes all restrictions on code sharing, which was a major hindrance in expanding services beyond the Sydney-to-Santiago route.

Source: http://blogs.blouinnews.com/blouinbe...double-bilateral-airline-capacity/

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 98):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 96):
All I'll say is it's going to be an extremely tightly operated B744 fleet.  

Seems strange that the older the aircraft gets, the tighter QF are choosing to run it, just a testament to the reliability of the 747 I suppose!

Will wait for confirmation, but surely this is a lot of extra capacity on the Oz-South America market with LA and soon NZ... what is LA currently operating on SCL-AKL? Wasn't it meant to be 10x weekly?

Totally agree, the older the aircraft the more reliable they become  Smile

LAN is currently evaluating an additional three flights each week on top of its daily roster.

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