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Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:42 am

UAL is in negotiations with Airbus on buying 2 A380s that were headed to now bankrupt Skymark. http://seekingalpha.com/article/3228...ted-airlines-a380-superjumbo-order

This would be interesting I'm guessing they'd put them at SFO on trans-Pacific routes.
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FWIW, Seeking Alpha contributor articles are a terrible source. Anybody there can write things as far as I can tell.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:23 am

The big (disappeared) thread on this broke down into stupid childish bickering over a medium-sized Boeing airplane built in the 1990s, which was not at all the subject of the thread (yet some people just wanted to start the inevitable flame war, which they got, to the detriment of everybody).

Regardless of whether people believe this rumor or not, hopefully we can have a thread that is reasonably mature and on-topic in its discussion.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:32 am

Quoting HomSAr (Reply 9):
Regardless of whether people believe this rumor or not, hopefully we can have a thread that is reasonably mature and on-topic in its discussion.

Very well stated. I 2nd that
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:52 am

So this gets more credible.

If Airbus is having trouble selling A380s, UA could pick one up for cheap. If so, the ownership costs would be significantly lower than usual. Now the A380 has really good CASM, so now UA has low operating CASM and low ownership CASM.

And that means that RASM doesn't have to be as high. They can make money with a cheap A380 at a lower LF/yield per seat than an airline that ordered new A380s from the get-go, like AF or LH.

It might allow them to accelerate retirement of their 744 fleet while adding capacity to their busiest routes. The issue is that only two airframes is a very small fleet. It means that the A380 would be operated basically on one route.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:55 am

Have to say the A380 looks pretty good in the Continental livery.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
So this gets more credible.

FWIW I don't think so Doc

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 6):

FWIW, Seeking Alpha contributor articles are a terrible source. Anybody there can write things as far as I can tell.

because of this. For all we know some a.netter did it.

IMO 2 airplanes, even if it is just to "try" doesn't make sense. I would think they would want a spare aircraft too.

Having said that, does any airline have a 380 with J/Y only? Also which engines were ordered for these? I don't see UA going Trent with a Pratt/GE offering....
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:35 am

But just two? How and where could you operate them reliably?
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:49 am

I wonder if its two on short term lease to see how they perform, with the option of then getting the others
 
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Quoting B737900ER (Reply 15):
But just two? How and where could you operate them reliably?

The beauty of the 380 is you can just slide it right into your existing operation and infrastructure   

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 16):
I wonder if its two on short term lease to see how they perform, with the option of then getting the others

That doesn't really happen, particularly with an aircraft that requires such complex infrastructure
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:17 am

Does anyone know if there are publicly available legal documents regarding the Airbus/Skymark lawsuit? I'm guessing this dispute is covered by a private arbitration clause with recourse jurisdiction lying in the UK. I am not a UK lawyer, but I know their commercial law is generally consistent with ours (USA).

In all likelihood, Airbus has some duty to mitigate damages from the breach of A380 delivery. This likely doesn't mean that Skymark can just say, "no harm no foul" if Airbus sells the two frames to EK at full sticker price. Contracts for these types of goods will contain provisions and dispositive doctrines that forbid the breaching party from claiming the foregoing, where the seller is thereby losing a discrete sales opportunity (assume that even EK has a finite appetite for A380's - so Airbus's argument would go).

Mitigation of damages would be relevant, however, if the sale of the Skymark frames is to a customer who, the analysis would hold, would not have otherwise purchased A380's. I.e. Airbus may have to argue something like, "We sold 2 birds to UA for 50% discount, but that discount was necessary to closing the deal. We did our best to mitigate damages from the breach; Skymark owes us the remainder of the contract price after mitigation." Airbus would have an incentive, perhaps, to make such an argument in court, but also an incentive to keep the pleadings within the confines of what, I am guessing, will be a private arbitration - at least at first.

Again, this is just general contract law and I have no idea of the actual sales contract and its liquidated damages and arbitration provisions (though I'm sure there are such provisions).

The takeaway is that Airbus may have a litigation incentive to sell low here. High enough to prove that it's not exploiting moral hazard by shifting payment responsibility onto Skymark in bad faith, but still lower than Skymark's contract price.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting btblue (Reply 19):

I do agree. I suspect either A.net were contacted by a United rep and asked to remove it or the OP was told by his source to take it down.
 
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There are so many people who don't want this to happen, either because they are anti United or Anti A380 - and others all of the above. There are some posting on these United A380 threads who were part of the original dark days of the 'A380 will never fly' brigade, and they will never change their mind.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:40 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):

So this gets more credible.

Doubt it. Articles on that site are often amateurish, and this one looks about as credible as the OP on the other thread.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:40 am

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 20):
I suspect either A.net were contacted by a United rep and asked to remove it or the OP was told by his source to take it down.

I suspect that the mods just got tired of having to waste so much of their unpaid time filtering yet another thread of all the fanboy nonsense and off-topic arguments (e.g. all the 764 posts).

Being a mod on this site must be a truly thankless, and often soul destroying, task.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:47 am

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 13):
which engines were ordered for these? I don't see UA going Trent with a Pratt/GE offering....

The Skymark planes (and the Malaysia ones if they come into play) have RR. But why on earth would UA not want RR? They'll have them on their A350s.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:52 am

Back to the original topic, would these aircraft likely have a first class product if this rumor is true? And what extent may we see United go above and beyond on the A380? I can't see showers but maybe a walk up bar or lounge?

[Edited 2015-06-03 00:52:52]
 
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Quoting speedbored (Reply 23):
Being a mod on this site must be a truly thankless, and often soul destroying, task.

True. I suppose it's very easy to forget and take for granted.

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 20):
I do agree. I suspect either A.net were contacted by a United rep and asked to remove it or the OP was told by his source to take it down.

  

I guess if this is going to happen, it will be announced at the Paris Air Show - if not, then it can be banished to the 'fanboy dustbin'.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:10 am

Having a 2 aircraft subfleet doesn't make any sense for UA. Now if you look at the 2 Skylark A380s and the 6 MH has, it could potentially interest United although all the comments made by management point towards the airline not wanting planes that have more than 2 engines. I think they would so quite well on SFO-Asia if UA decides to take them up. The source of the article is garbage though.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:19 am

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 27):
Having a 2 aircraft subfleet doesn't make any sense for UA. Now if you look at the 2 Skylark A380s and the 6 MH has, it could potentially interest United

That's the only way I see it, but UA has been trying to get away from having the jink yields title across the Pacific, this would be moving in the opposite direction.

As much as I would like to see it, I just don't see it happening.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:37 am

Well, looks like UA will be the 1st North American operator of the A380. How long do you think it will take before DL and AA decide to jump on the bandwagon? Or maybe even Air Canada and Aeromexico?
 
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Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 28):

Isn't that title held by NW now DL ?
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting B737900ER (Reply 15):
But just two? How and where could you operate them reliably?

Just make them do SFO-FRA rotations.. Those -400s are always packed
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:06 am

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 5):
FWIW, Seeking Alpha contributor articles are a terrible source.

FWIW, the OP of the legendary UA380 thread claimed to have inside information from a reliable source close to UA, who had allegedly already correctly predicted their 77W order. That thread's opening post was pretty detailed and largely corresponded to the content of the Seeking Alpha article IIRC.
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When it comes to good news on the A380, any source is terrible don't you know.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:22 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 20):

There are so many people who don't want this to happen, either because they are anti United or Anti A380 - and others all of the above. There are some posting on these United A380 threads who were part of the original dark days of the 'A380 will never fly' brigade, and they will never change their mind.

I think that's rather simplistic; UA has been dismissive of the A380 in the past and the general trend is toward capacity consolidation and discipline in the US market. UA has been especially aggressive at this, notably in the Pacific, and they're reaping the rewards in performance as a result.

I don't think they want to go back to dumping fares and scraping low-yield economy passengers to fill the back of the bus like they used to on the B744. The A380 is a plane that only works for airlines that can reliably fill it at a consistently high yield. I don't think UA is one of those airlines.

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 21):
Doubt it. Articles on that site are often amateurish, and this one looks about as credible as the OP on the other thread.

+1. This is a junk source, and a poorly-written article.

Quoting Thomaas (Reply 26):

Having a 2 aircraft subfleet doesn't make any sense for UA. Now if you look at the 2 Skylark A380s and the 6 MH has, it could potentially interest United although all the comments made by management point towards the airline not wanting planes that have more than 2 engines. I think they would so quite well on SFO-Asia if UA decides to take them up. The source of the article is garbage though.

Agreed, but didn't MH just report there was no interest in the six aircraft they put up for sale (I believe two are still listed, though)? It'd have to be rather awkward timing for UA to miss those but not the ex-Skymark ones, especially from the challenges in maintaining a fleet of just two.

Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 27):
That's the only way I see it, but UA has been trying to get away from having the jink yields title across the Pacific, this would be moving in the opposite direction.

Definitely.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:22 am

Quoting lapper (Reply 38):

I do wonder if UA have the year round yields to support something as large as a 380.

They may not have to be used on the same route(s) year-round, if there are other available routes that have varying yields in a complementary fashion.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:48 am

2 A380s makes no sense. I suppose if they operate the A380 they will get at least 10-20 in the long run.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting bbbb (Reply 39):
+1. This is a junk source, and a poorly-written article.

I find the article to be fairly detailed and the analysis to be quite comprehensive. The author has written detailed articles about other aspects of the the airline industry before (including SA)">AA,DL,WN etc.). You may or may not agree with the author's conclusion, but junk source and poorly written article is maybe a little aggressive. It certainly has a lot more substance than most a.net posts.

Quoting lapper (Reply 38):
In the meantime a journalist from SA has scoured the forum and written the article based on that information and had it published.

See, this is where this gets weird. IIRC the legendary thread and the SA article appeared almost simultaneously, with the SA link being posted a few hours (at most) after the thread was started. I find it somewhat unlikely that somebody would come up with such a lengthy text in such short time. So either the legendary thread's OP and the SA author were in touch before (or in fact the same person), the legendary thread's OP took the SA information without referencing it, or they are actually two independent sources reporting more or less identical facts. Frankly, neither the legendary thread's fairly detailed starting post nor the SA article sound(ed) like stuff that anybody would just make up for the fun of it.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:06 pm

Is it possible that UA could be buying planes to lease to someone else, like they did with those A330's? Any partners of theirs in need of an A380 boost? Couldn't be SQ, and I don't think LH wants anymore...
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:09 pm

Quoting Cosyr (Reply 43):
Is it possible that UA could be buying planes to lease to someone else,

That would be at odds with them reportedly getting two planes for trial operations for themselves. If true, it would seem to indicate they actually want to operate the type.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 37):
When it comes to good news on the A380, any source is terrible don't you know.

So true, no matter what the A380 spells doom for any airlines who order them...

If UA orders the A380 or any big 3 carrier for that matter, it will send ripples across the market, who knows? maybe another carrier like AA or DL might be the launch customer of the NEO....

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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:22 pm

How well would only two aircraft on a trial run predict future success? Wouldn't United customers tend to seek the aircraft on their routes, thereby "skewing" the results of the yield, let alone being able to charge a premium?
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UA A380 acquisition for certain Pacific routes a pre-condition for an EK/QF style alliance expanded to EK/QF/UA?
 
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Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 47):
How well would only two aircraft on a trial run predict future success? Wouldn't United customers tend to seek the aircraft on their routes, thereby "skewing" the results of the yield, let alone being able to charge a premium?

You're hitting on why this scenario doesn't really exist in real life

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 47):
UA A380 acquisition for certain Pacific routes a pre-condition for an EK/QF style alliance expanded to EK/QF/UA?

Sure.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 46):
So true, no matter what the A380 spells doom for any airlines who order them...

That would require orders  
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:49 pm

IS the A380 that big an aircraft for any airline that operates multiple 744s?

United can, it seems fill their 744s on various routes. They have the A320 - so pilots are accustomed to the Airbus language, so to speak. They have the A350s on order - so are committed to Airbus and have that systems knowledge etc.

Surely, being 'offered' if this is a case to take the A380 - 'suck it and see' with minimal comeback if it doesn't work out could work to their advantage. No other US airline operates the type and UA could replace on trial a few 744 routes with a couple of super jumbos and hand back if the economics don't work out.

There would be a high degree of fleet commonality... Pilots, engineering knowledge and I hazard a guess, LH could provide assistance with route optimisation and possibly share data as indeed would Airbus.
 
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Quoting PM (Reply 23):
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 13):
which engines were ordered for these? I don't see UA going Trent with a Pratt/GE offering....

The Skymark planes (and the Malaysia ones if they come into play) have RR. But why on earth would UA not want RR? They'll have them on their A350s.

If UA does a power by the hour agreement, which I fully expect them to do, the manufacturer is not particularly important. UA would do line maintenance work on the engine, but all the overhaul and shop visit maintenance is contracted out. There is little equipment or spare part inventory necessary for United to manage.

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 48):

UA A380 acquisition for certain Pacific routes a pre-condition for an EK/QF style alliance expanded to EK/QF/UA?

United has spent 18 years building Star Alliance into the largest alliance in the world. I think the chance of the A380 changing that and getting United to partner with EK or QF is basically zero. United is far more interested in partnering with Lufthansa and ANA.
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Quoting btblue (Reply 50):
IS the A380 that big an aircraft for any airline that operates multiple 744s?

Welcome to a.net, where an insurmountable chasm exists between the A380 and any other plane ever conceived by mankind. According to received a.net wisdom, even considering the A380 is the bridge thou shalt not cross, which leads to certain doom, unless you are the unicorn EK with its army of black witchers who possess the forbidden knowledge to reverse fundamental laws of nature.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:59 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 44):
Why? Why can't there be a small subfleet? Wasn't US Airways, at the time, considering just two A340s for its PHL-China route?

US had and has a large fleet of A330's. The A340 and A330 are essentially the same aircraft.
UA on the other hand has no other aircraft that shares any commonality with the A380. Only 2 A380's for any airline makes no sense, and for UA makes even less sense  
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:12 pm

I'm not so sure about this.... A380s have a well known allure about them. The travelling public loves the aircraft and it has a good reputation amongst them. I have a feeling that UA operating A380s might be the end of that.

I'd rather that the Skymark aircraft end up with a carrier like SQ.

Regarding the deletion of the last thread, can anyone outline the nature of (without being specific) what kind of information related to UA that was supposedly posted which may have caused the thread to be deleted?

As for the rumor, I'll take it a bit more seriously if Leeham brings it up.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 21):
There are so many people who don't want this to happen, either because they are anti United or Anti A380 - and others all of the above.

  

Quoting speedbored (Reply 23):
I suspect that the mods just got tired of having to waste so much of their unpaid time filtering yet another thread of all the fanboy nonsense and off-topic arguments (e.g. all the 764 posts).

You missed the thread where someone said "I'm writing to my congressperson because DL ordered some Airbuses" (paraphrased).

It must be terribly frustrating for the moderators. I don't get why that certain member hasn't been banned. Just like in the thread about EK's profit....the DL fanboys came in, took the discussion way off topic and had the thread/discussion shut down. Thus a.net wasn't talking about a topic that they didn't want a.net to talk about.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 30):
the original thread has been deleted? Dammit! There was an absolute golden post in there from a user stating he would "eat dog excrement" if a US airline ever ordered and operated the A380.

Likewise, I was rather disappointing at this. If UA (or DL or AA) were to acquire an A380, I have every intention of holding him to account. Hopefully someone has a screenshot.  
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anything involving the 767-CD (I am using roman numerals because I have a theory that a certain renowned user has some super forum-scanning algorithm that alerts him immediately when a certain series of numbers following "767" is posted on this forum).

   Careful, suggesting as such might cause him to sue you for defamation. I was amused when I saw the bit of your post in the last thread relating to the 767-CD. Well played.

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 52):
Welcome to a.net, where an insurmountable chasm exists between the A380 and any other plane ever conceived by mankind.

   The passion with which people hate that plane is also entertaining.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting B737900ER (Reply 14):
But just two? How and where could you operate them reliably?

The UA insider stated that one would be based at IAH and the other at IAD. I believe UA started 787 operations out of IAH (both domestic and international) before placing them in other stations.



Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 15):
I wonder if its two on short term lease to see how they perform, with the option of then getting the others.

I speculated as much on one of the other threads. Start with the two Skymark NTUs (direct lease from Airbus) and if UA likes them, either buy direct from Airbus, add someone else's A380s (MH) or lease additional frames from Amedeo.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:24 pm

Seeking Alpha is an opinion site. It's no more a "report" than quoting an a.net post.

As I said in the other thread, UA is dumping F. So an A380 would have over 500 seats, maybe 550. That's way bigger than their 744s with the same or less usable cargo space. The 77W and 779 are better replacements for the 744. About same number of seats with more cargo space.
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
The UA insider stated that one would be based at IAH and the other at IAD.

Dozens of pea shooters connecting daily to a 380 in IAD. Yah makes sense to me 
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Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 32):
How well would only two aircraft on a trial run predict future success? Wouldn't United customers tend to seek the aircraft on their routes, thereby "skewing" the results of the yield, let alone being able to charge a premium?

Yes. But according to some of the airlines operating the A380, that is what happens when the full fleet is online. And as someone who has flown the A380 several times (and I am about to fly it several more times) there is no comparison between the A380 and other aircraft. The A380 is quieter, roomier and a better ride IMO. But to each their own.
 
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RE: Report: UAL A380s From Skymark Order

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:43 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 39):

Eh... Let's Say AA wanted to play copy cat and go jumbo jet, I peg AA to go the route of acquiring a sub fleet of 6-8 -8's with GE 90's for the sake of widebody commonality, considering the Boeing widebody fleet outnumbers the Airbus Widebody fleet even with the A350 fleet coming online within the decade

There is the argument of the many A330/A350 qualified pilots that need minimal traning if any at all to fly the A380 so it's whatever's cheaper to be honest
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RE: Report: UAL A380s From Skymark Order

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:44 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 27):
2 A380s makes no sense. I suppose if they operate the A380 they will get at least 10-20 in the long run.

Could be they are just "dipping their toe in the water". And if it works out, they might even lease some from Amadeo!
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RE: Report: UAL A380s From Skymark Order

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:55 pm

I know this is a silly thing to write but could it be that what we don't hear on a.net is that the A380 works very well for some airlines and less so for others? Perhaps there is some truth to this rumor and United wants to operate these aircraft on a single high density route to see if they can operate the aircraft profitably. I'm not saying its likely... but it certainly is in the realm of possibility.
 
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RE: Report: UAL A380s From Skymark Order

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:57 pm

I don't see United acquiring more than 10 frames, and if that's the case.. I bet they would retire 10 of their oldest 744's for a one to one replacement and would only up gauge the Pacific-Asia flights that they could afford to do so, I don't see them flying SFO-FRA without some planning from LH

Also.. United can move a lot more freight to Guam and ASIA as well and charge a premium for frequency which might lead to more frames

This is interesting
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RE: Report: UAL A380s From Skymark Order

Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:59 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
The UA insider stated that one would be based at IAH and the other at IAD.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 42):
Dozens of pea shooters connecting daily to a 380 in IAD. Yah makes sense to me.   

I would imagine these two locations would only be for the initial trial. SFO seems a more likely location to set up an A380 base.
 
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RE: Report: UAL A380s From Skymark Order

Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:01 pm

Quoting phillyramp270 (Reply 47):

If UA sends 380 on SFO-FRA, LH had tons of choices to downgauge - 748, 744, even 346.

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