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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:31 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 149):
So if they land "soft" they do not have to do and aircraft check? Did not know that....

Something to that effect, yes. I believe on some aircraft it's recorded electronically, others I think the flight crew has to guess as to what their touchdown rate was. In any event, that's the first thing that's checked. If those numbers are out of tolerance, then they start looking for stress/damage and doing deeper inspections. That would probably require offloading everything.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 149):
Also whom would conduct this for HA? I know they have a service agreement with DL in PHX for mx, but what about an airport like LAX that only see their 330's?

Whoever does their MX at LAX I'm sure can handle 767s; they figure in diversions and the like when negotiating those contracts. On the off chance that they don't, LAX isn't exactly short of vendors/airlines that can.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:58 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 149):
WOW, I am looking at the graph and they declared the emergency at 9:01:27 @ 36,000.
9:04:50 they were @ 25,900
9:05:57 they were @ 20,700

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:01 am

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 139):
Thanks for the information about T-3 and the FIS qualifications. I really think it is kind of short sighted to not at least have the capability to add it with few modifications. Can you imagine IF (BIG IF) that UA or DL wanted to add an international destination to PHX. They would have to go over to T-4 for the flight..... Not a very proactive thought.....

Agreed. It's important to keep your options open when it comes to a large capital expenditure. Having the eventual capability for something requiring limited changes opens up a lot of possibilities. Let's say that in 15 years they consider adding FIS in T3, but the required structural changes cost tens of millions and months worth of redesign...it might be enough to prevent them from doing it. It's a potential opportunity lost. I'm guessing the designers considered it (any good architect with a specialty in that field will consider everything and then some), so if it's not done, it's because the city didn't want it. It wouldn't be the first time the city made a totally stupid, boneheaded decision, but in the history of their decisions at PHX, this wouldn't even rank in the top 100.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 139):
I looked up the range for the A321NEO/LR and it stated 4,000NM and PHX to HNL is 2,917NM, PHX to OGG is 2,845NM and PHX to LIH is 2,979NM. I thought that they stated it may be too far from the flight from PHX because of the winds in the westerly direction.

It'll be interesting to see the future of that route, because the 752s won't be around forever, and that's the last currently viable narrowbody to fill that role without really stepping down to the A319/320. An A321 would be logical, but if it doesn't have the legs, will AA commit a widebody to those routes? It'll be interesting to see...
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 152):
It'll be interesting to see the future of that route, because the 752s won't be around forever, and that's the last currently viable narrowbody to fill that role without really stepping down to the A319/320. An A321 would be logical, but if it doesn't have the legs, will AA commit a widebody to those routes? It'll be interesting to see...

Very true, but I bet we see a 763 (without the J-cabin
refit) on the routes before any 321 whether ceo or neo.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:02 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 153):

I agree. Without the 752, it's the only appropriate aircraft left in the fleet. Hell, the 763 is the right size for a lot of reasons even with 752s in the fleet. They won't send 787s (not for several years, at least), and while I'd love to see 772s, I doubt those would happen apart from the odd sub or seasonal upgauge. The A330 is the right size too, but I think the role they fill flying east coast to Europe is where those fit best for the time being.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:04 pm

For those who keep track. Aug 16-18 will be the last days of OO CR9 ops for US out of PHX. They will be replaced by CR2s from LAX.

On another note, CP starts service under the Eagle brand on Sept 8th with E175s. Currently the slotted gates for those flights are B9 with B2 and B8 both being the alternate gates that can handle them. No word yet on who will handle them below wing since the EN folks are trained on the E175 for loading and servicing procedures but most are not trained on towbars, but I do believe it will be mainline above wing since the EN folks above wing aren't trained to bring the jetway up to the actual plane, but rather just use the mobile bridge adapter (these are the blue ramps that extend from the jetways). They used to use some of the ones with sliding floors but those were phased out in favor of the MBAs as a way to increase safety and reduce damage risk.

Also, December is when the ASR replacement project will begin and some re-striping will occur at the same time as well as separate from it. Looking at the plans, this is what I can see. Every N1 & N2 gate will be able to handle an A321 except A1 & A17 which will be restricted to a CR9 or E75. For N3, everything will be A321 capable with the exception of B2 and a few restrictions (use of B3 will restrict B1 and use of B9 will restrict B7 to a 319). N4 looks mostly unchanged except for the reinstatement of B19 as a B744 and B777 "emergency" gate. All of the Express/Eagle gates will get marks for a CR7 with the exception of B15C (use of two CR7s at 15A and 15B closes 15C). Also, B22 and B21 pick up lines for E75s. Only oddity I see is what looks like a realignment of the B16/18 jetways that makes B16 an even sharper angle to the building and moves B18 over a little. Perhaps this is to correct the issue with the alignment of the jetway at B20.

For now on the Express/Eagle side, everything is about the same as last year this fall and winter except there appears to not be daily GDL/MZT service all season long but rather it is a more seasonal swap between the 319 and the CR9. Flex this winter appears to add a late night YV DFW service although it is not yet available for booking but does show in the plans. Also, looks like HMO is double daily during the winter (probably since it bulks out normally every winter).

Its been rumored that PHX will pick up express flights to AMA, MAF, LBB, COS and ASE. If I had to guess, I could see AMA, MAF and LBB being 2x daily CR9 service (possibly thru service to DFW), COS being 3x CR2 service with an extra frequency or two during the high winter demand. ASE would probably have to be either 3x CR2 or 2x CR9 (if there were CR7s, I could see it being 3x CR7).

As a side note, Mesa's six new frames have started arriving. The first, M52 (952LR) is in service with the new 12F/64Y configuration and M53 will enter service shortly. M54 should arrive next week. I am not sure what the next tails are going to be given there is already a 956LR which is a good ole 79 seater
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:30 pm

No more non - stop flights from PHX to EUG or MFR ?
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 156):

I think the days of those being viable have disappeared. I could see EUG over MFR but AA seems to be happy to route the pax both ways over AS (not uncommon to have bags routed MFR-PDX-PHX-XXX)
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:46 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 155):
On another note, CP starts service under the Eagle brand on Sept 8th with E175s.

I'm not seeing this in the schedule. It was briefly in replacing the Mesa CR9s to LAX, but they have since been removed.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 156):
No more non - stop flights from PHX to EUG or MFR ?

Those have been gone for a long time...US (Mesa) ended MFR in Sep. '08 and EUG in Oct. '08. US has done charter work in/out of EUG for OSU since then but nothing scheduled.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:45 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 154):
I agree. Without the 752, it's the only appropriate aircraft left in the fleet. Hell, the 763 is the right size for a lot of reasons even with 752s in the fleet. They won't send 787s (not for several years, at least), and while I'd love to see 772s, I doubt those would happen apart from the odd sub or seasonal upgauge. The A330 is the right size too, but I think the role they fill flying east coast to Europe is where those fit best for the time being.

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 158):

I just looked at the flights were pushed back to Nov 8th on CP. Mesa will keep the flights until then but on September 8th, they will swap to the US code
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:23 pm

There is a good read about the people keeping the memory of America West (HP) alive.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/trave...n-devoted-former-workers/30790037/
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:50 pm

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 155):

?? Just train the respective staff on the new airplane.. its not that hard. When US was expecting the 330 they sent folks to PHL to train.

[Edited 2015-07-29 10:57:50]
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 163):

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 155):

?? Just train the respective staff on the new airplane.. its not that hard. When US was expecting the 330 they sent folks to PHL to train.

[Edited 2015-07-29 10:57:50]


CLT, actually, but same difference. Another group went to LAX for 777/767 familiarization last fall I believe.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:11 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 164):
Another group went to LAX for 777/767 familiarization last fall I believe.

I assume the intended purpose of this was in the event of a diversion from LAX?
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:16 am

I was looking through itineraries for next summer for an up and coming trip to Australia. I realized AA was running a 757 on PHX-LAX on Tuesdays on the 7:28 am flight. Not sure if anyone else noticed that. At first I was supper stoked than I realized AA.com had removed all the "operated by us airways" footnotes on flights for the next summer. So thats when I realized it was more than likely to be a PMUS 757. still exciting especially considering how summer is our down season.

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 165):
I assume the intended purpose of this was in the event of a diversion from LAX?

It was actually for an Arizona State football charter to the Sun Bowl in ELP, they chartered a 763 there and a 772 back.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 166):
I was looking through itineraries for next summer for an up and coming trip to Australia. I realized AA was running a 757 on PHX-LAX on Tuesdays on the 7:28 am flight. Not sure if anyone else noticed that. At first I was supper stoked than I realized AA.com had removed all the "operated by us airways" footnotes on flights for the next summer. So thats when I realized it was more than likely to be a PMUS 757. still exciting especially considering how summer is our down season.

Not uncommon for that flight to be a 757, especially after US began cutting down on the wingtip flights and PHX was rebanked. Dates back many years. Used to be Flight 24. Since the A321s began arriving in large numbers, it's typically alternated between the two types.

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:26 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 167):

Ah okay. That seems like quite a lot of effort for a one-off charter, but I'm sure there are other longer-term benefits to some employees being trained on how to service these aircraft.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:39 am

I am watching the diversion from the storm and they are stacking the planes all the way east of Tucson and some are even holding in New Mexico....
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:05 am

Microburst hit the airport about 45 mins ago. 6 US diversions to TUS, 1 to PSP; 1 AA diversion to TUS.

It's gonna be a long night...
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:14 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 171):
Microburst hit the airport about 45 mins ago. 6 US diversions to TUS, 1 to PSP; 1 AA diversion to TUS.

Some WN flights also went down to TUS. Glad I didn't take a later flight to PHX today like I planned, otherwise I'd be sitting at my place in Tucson instead of my place in Phoenix.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:26 am

Allegiant employees declined multiple requests from the East Valley Tribune for a telephone interview about their plans here. In an email, the airline’s media relations team said, “While a move to Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport is likely at this point, the decision has not yet been made, and we will be sure to inform the public if and when a decision to move is made.”

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/loc...8-37c6-11e5-b62f-7ff660ba167a.html

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:45 am

Quoting 910A (Reply 173):
Smoke screen or is G4 really serious..

I read a news story where a Sky Harbor official was quoted as saying the airport didn't have gates available to accommodate a new airline at this point.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:01 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 172):

Does anybody know if BA diverted or made it in?
Unfortunately I closed Amadeus & didn't think to check
FLIFO as I was off the clock at 3p Friday.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:58 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 175):
Does anybody know if BA diverted or made it in?

Came in pretty much on time at 5:22pm on Friday, but left 50 min late at 8:30, according to flightradar24
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting austwin (Reply 174):
I read a news story where a Sky Harbor official was quoted as saying the airport didn't have gates available to accommodate a new airline at this point.

Exactly..... There is no room for them at PHX. G4's timing to pressure IWA was very poor. You can state that you want to move, but when there is no room at the only other game in town, you are stuck.

On a side note - The people around IWA are complaining about the MD-80's that G4 is using. I laughed when the media was trying to link this to the FAA/Central corridor noise issue.

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 175):
Does anybody know if BA diverted or made it in?
Unfortunately I closed Amadeus & didn't think to check
FLIFO as I was off the clock at 3p Friday.

Yes, it was one of the last to land before all of the diversions started.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:52 pm

Quoting Aztrainer (Reply 177):
On a side note - The people around IWA are complaining about the MD-80's that G4 is using. I laughed when the media was trying to link this to the FAA/Central corridor noise issue.

People are idiots. I live under the IWA approach path, and honestly, I find the Airbus to be louder on approach than the MD-80s. Significantly so. That's purely anecdotal and based on my opinion, but I never really noticed the noise until NK started flying here and G4 got the 319. I'm not complaining or anything...obviously I knew the airport was here when I bought the house, nor does the noise bother me since I hardly notice it anyway unless I'm outside.

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:31 pm

I work in the Gateway area, and frankly, I hardly notice an airliner activity at all.

I am curious, how many daily departures from IWA does Allegiant actually offer on average?

Since they don't publish their schedule in table form, I did some quick searches: I not that they offer approx. 35 destinations from IWA, but not daily. LAS, which I thought might be popular, they offer only 3 or 4 times per week, most others only once or twice per week. So, how many gates would they actually need? I wouldn't be surprised if they could do with 2 or 3 gates max. It's also possible that they would move only some of their flights with higher yield potential over - in that case 1-2 gates should be sufficient.

Now, wouldn't it be possible to accommodate those flights at the common use gates in T4 or install a couple more jet bridges at T2?
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:10 pm

I find it extremely hard to believe PHX would turn away a new airline. If VX wanted to come in and start up SFO/LAX/DAL, I'm sure they'd bend over backwards and stick them in someplace.

Whether they'd play that game with G4, I have no clue.

Quoting PHX+Flyer" class="quote" target="_blank">PHX Flyer (Reply 179):
install a couple more jet bridges at T2?

I'm not sure there's room at T2. When I first flew to PHX in 2000, there used to be at least two more gates by AS--maybe more. Those disappeared when they changed up the taxiway configuration by T2. The doors are still there, just locked (hopefully).

And quite frankly, I don't want G4 or anyone else in T2. It's getting way too crowded and the TSA is constantly understaffed there. Just like T3 in the morning.

Speaking of the TSA, has anyone noticed the PreCheck lane at the D checkpoint is always closed now? I haven't seen it open since April.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:34 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 180):
I'm not sure there's room at T2. When I first flew to PHX in 2000, there used to be at least two more gates by AS--maybe more.

I was thinking of gates 1 & 2. Those two used to have no jetways for a while. But I don't know, whether those gates were rehabilitated or not, when Spirit and Sun Country moved to Terminal 2
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:42 pm

Keep in mind that VX would/could share a gate with another airline As they would probably only have 2-3 flights a day. G4 would need a minimum of probably 4 gates and the ability to RON 13-15 aircraft.

Side note, Boutique air started the PHX-SOW route and Great Lakes is no longer flying it.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 181):
I was thinking of gates 1 & 2. Those two used to have no jetways for a while. But I don't know, whether those gates were rehabilitated or not, when Spirit and Sun Country moved to Terminal 2

Both of those gates have had jetways reinstalled, NK uses 2, and SY 1, seasonally.

Even if G4 could use both of those gates, it still wouldn't be enough to absorb the current size of their operation at IWA, and in addition to the gates they'd need, they also would require a lot of real estate to park the 10+ aircraft they have based at Gateway.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:05 pm

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 183):
Both of those gates have had jetways reinstalled

Thanks for clarifying that. I have not been inside that terminal, since I stopped flying Continental in 2008.
That limits the options for G4, obviously.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting PHX+Flyer" class="quote" target="_blank">PHX Flyer (Reply 184):

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 183):
Both of those gates have had jetways reinstalled

Thanks for clarifying that. I have not been inside that terminal, since I stopped flying Continental in 2008.
That limits the options for G4, obviously.


PHX is going to be gate constrained for awhile, at least until T3S is complete. There's no way that G4 could get away with 2 gates, with their current schedule anyway, even if 1 and 2 were available for theirs exclusive use.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:17 am

Anybody know whats up with the IFL Convair? I didn't see at all parked over at the DHL ramp this past week.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:33 am

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 186):
Anybody know whats up with the IFL Convair? I didn't see at all parked over at the DHL ramp this past week.

I'm pretty sure it was there when I flew out Tuesday afternoon and landed Friday morning.
 
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Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:03 pm

Quoting wn676 (Reply 185):

I seem to recall a few years ago (not sure of the exact date), Gateway got expanded from 8 gates to 10, to cope with Allegiant having increased flights..I highly doubt PHX has anywhere that they could absorb their operation. If they weren't redoing T3S at this point in time, I wonder if they would have stuck them there, or maybe moved everyone else to T3 and let them have T2. I do think PHX does have room for another smaller airline like Virgin America, they wouldn't have a ton of flights.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 182):
Boutique air started the PHX-SOW route and Great Lakes is no longer flying it.

Who in hell is Boutique Air??
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:39 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 190):
Who in hell is Boutique Air??

A PC-12 operator, they started the EAS flying out of DFW, but have now expanded to DEN, DFW, ABQ and PHX EAS flying. Probably going to be much more reliable than ZK would have ever been moving forward.

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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:49 pm

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 190):

I interviewed with them but decided to stay at my current gig dropping meat missiles ( multi turbine pic vs single engine sic ). They have a growing operation and the insides of their pc12s are amazing, many communities that have switched fromZK are very happy. Plus a 9 seater is right sized for most EAS markets and the PC 12 is more comfortable than a Caravan, faster, quieter and pressurized.


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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:59 am

It looks like Y4 is adding HMO-PHX twice weekly starting 11/03

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ands-new-international-flight.html
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:22 am

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 193):

I wonder if this will siphon away O&D traffic from US...they fly a single CR2 each day, granted, the flight is only 1:15-1:25 long, but the CR2 isn't exactly known for its comfort. If I had need to go to HMO, I'd probably want to fly on a more comfortable A32X as opposed to a CR2.
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:56 am

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 192):

I believe that it also means that SOW no longer requires TSA, correct? That was their major incentive to hold on to ZK for as long as they did despite the unreliability.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 194):
'd probably want to fly on a more comfortable A32X as opposed to a CR2.

I'm not sure with a 30 inch seat pitch Y4 would be more comfortable.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 193):

It looks like Y4 is adding HMO-PHX twice weekly starting 11/03

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ands-new-international-flight.html

Noticed that this news was so important, the paper had an intern write it up.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:38 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 191):
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 192):

I see...interesting! I wonder if they might revive PHX/PRC/PHX??
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:42 pm

Has anyone noticed WN doesn't seem to have as many planes sit overnight at PHX as they used to? I landed about midnight last night and there weren't that many WN planes over at C/D. In fact, I think most gates were empty. There was a time not that long ago that every gate would be full and they'd have more planes parked east of the high C gates and in the alleys.

Quoting 910A (Reply 196):
Noticed that this news was so important, the paper had an intern write it up.

That's because like most newspapers, they've cut most of their writers and have interns fill the gap for free (or mostly free), under the guise of "gaining experience."

That being said, there's nothing wrong with the intern writing it and IMO it's actually a pretty well written story.
 
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RE: Phoenix Arizona Aviation Thread Part 14

Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting chrisair (Reply 198):
Has anyone noticed WN doesn't seem to have as many planes sit overnight at PHX as they used to? I landed about midnight last night and there weren't that many WN planes over at C/D. In fact, I think most gates were empty. There was a time not that long ago that every gate would be full and they'd have more planes parked east of the high C gates and in the alleys.

Agree, Last two times I went spotting D-1, D5 were empty the whole time and D3 was empty for one trip. It seems as if they fill with their first 08:00 wave. I do agree that they seem to have a lot less planes RON at PHX.

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