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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:49 am

For those asking about the departure routes of PDX...it was indeed because of the air show, specifically the Blue Angels. There were a number of different TFRs at different times of the day based on their practice and the air show schedule. 5NM radius up to 15,000'.

The normal SIDS out of PDX conflicted with those TFRs so flights were vectored instead.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:28 am

Nice first month for condor!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:26 pm

Fiscal Year 2015 results from the Port of Portland came out today. I put the interesting stuff on my blog. Here's a shameless plug once again...

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:55 am

Great numbers now PDX is officially in the big league.............
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:53 am

 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:30 am

I thought of an interesting trivia question. Name any cities served non-stop from PDX, but not from SEA. This doesn't include CEC, PDT and OTH served by small commuter carriers.

The only one I can come up with is GDL. Any others?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:41 pm

Were less than 2 million away from the 18 million mark at PDX.....I'm curious to know how many million passenger can our current facility handle before more expansion is needed?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 106):
Were less than 2 million away from the 18 million mark at PDX.....I'm curious to know how many million passenger can our current facility handle before more expansion is needed?

That's a great question, and if the growth continues at the pace that it does, it will only be a couple/few years before hitting that number. Between 2010 and now, the airport saw an increase of nearly 3 million passengers. At that rate, by 2020 we could see nearly 22,000,000 passengers flying in and out of Portland...not bad for an 85% O&D airport.

Is it possible? Of course. Is it likely? I think it is given the health of the economy, but there's the key word: economy. It's sensitive and this could all change. Between 2008 and 2009, PDX saw a decrease of 1.3 million passengers because of the economy.

I would hope the PoP has a plan for such growth though. We don't want to end up like SLC with a small, cramped, outdated terminal and airport. I think the expansion on E will help, but I don't think it's an end all. If they follow through with their plans and demolish and renovate A, then I think it will be ok.

As of right now though, there is more than enough gate space except at peak times when jets are parked all over the place. Which leads me to ask about why I've seen SWA on the D concourse more than once in the morning? Are they needing more gates?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:14 pm

Quoting coreyrust (Reply 107):
Which leads me to ask about why I've seen SWA on the D concourse more than once in the morning? Are they needing more gates?

Probably just more overnight planes than WN has/wants gates. They'd rather park and tow than waste money on more gates just for tem/originating lfights.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:17 pm

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 108):
Probably just more overnight planes than WN has/wants gates. They'd rather park and tow than waste money on more gates just for tem/originating lfights.

That's what I assumed as well, but I could have sworn I saw one depart from D6 I think it was. Then again, it was early in the morning and I didn't care as much as I might later on in the day.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:45 pm

Penair makes proposal for Klamath Falls service from PDX:


http://www.heraldandnews.com/news/lo...4-f554-50cc-9757-e97f278df126.html
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:46 am

Quoting coreyrust (Reply 109):

That's what I assumed as well, but I could have sworn I saw one depart from D6 I think it was. Then again, it was early in the morning and I didn't care as much as I might later on in the day.

WN parks some RON's on the D concourse. Any WN pushes off that concourse are just being towed to one of their 4 leased gates on C.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:43 pm

Looks like VX virgin america is adding some additional capacity to PDX-SFO in august. It's about time!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:07 pm

There is a thread about the Alaska Airlines new routes, but I thought I should share it here.

Alaska adds daily nonstop PDX - MSP,MCI, and OMA operated by SkyWest E175 jets.

All daily non stop flights begin Feb. 18, 2016.

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20150730_045554.asp

Great news for PDX!

[Edited 2015-07-30 06:08:39]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:59 pm

If Alaska continues this kind of growth at PDX, concourse D and E is going to be packed in 2017!!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:25 am

Quoting ana787 (Reply 112):

Very odd. I tried to book flights on some days, and there were very few days of multiple flights on a few select days in August. And I found nothing other than the one early flight in September. Strange. Maybe a few special flights (as the departure and arrival were different on the few days of availability), wouldn't necessarily say this is more than a few days add. There was a post about them adding back some flights, but I seriously don't understand why they don't just pull out. Is that one flight really profitable enough to keep a station open? I really don't get their motivation. For an int'l carrier, yes. Short domestic...?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:23 pm

Nice week for PDX:

AS PDX-DFW MAR 1.3>2
*AS PDX-MCI MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*AS PDX-MSP MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*AS PDX-OMA MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:08 pm

Advanced bookings for PenAir PDX-CEC hasn't set the world on fire..

In the meantime, one-way non-refundable tickets for flights beginning in mid-September from Crescent City to Portland are on sale for $99 at penair.com,.

“We’ve been selling tickets, but no, people are not busting down the doors to book,” Roberts said, anticipating sales will go up “as they get to know us and as they see us flying.”

To that end, the company has been advertising on local radio stations and sponsoring events like the Fourth of July, to make its presence known.

http://www.triplicate.com/News/Local...ews/PenAir-expands-to-southern-Ore

About interlining, I read that PenAir only has interline agreements with AS and UA?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:22 pm

Quoting pdxav8r (Reply 115):
There was a post about them adding back some flights, but I seriously don't understand why they don't just pull out. Is that one flight really profitable enough to keep a station open? I really don't get their motivation.

I keep wondering the same thing. Virgin is continuing to get several new a/c within the next year (and beyond) so I would've expected PDX to see the return of at least a couple of flights. (Plus, there have definitely been adds in other markets in the past year or more but nothing for PDX.)

It's been, what, over a year (maybe two?) since they cut back to the one flight at PDX and it still doesn't make any sense to me. Even if they have only a couple of employees, they still have space leases and lots of other expenses that sure don't seem worth it.

But then, this is isn't the first thing that's had me scratching my head about the way VX is run...!

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:25 pm

Quoting pnwpdx (Reply 113):

There is a thread about the Alaska Airlines new routes, but I thought I should share it here.

Alaska adds daily nonstop PDX - MSP,MCI, and OMA operated by SkyWest E175 jets.

All daily non stop flights begin Feb. 18, 2016.

http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20150730_045554.asp

Great news for PDX!

This is cool. For some reason the OMA times are pretty crappy compared to STL and MCI.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:44 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 117):

About interlining, I read that PenAir only has interline agreements with AS and UA?

Penair has a full codeshare with AS
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:52 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 120):

Quoting 910A (Reply 117):

About interlining, I read that PenAir only has interline agreements with AS and UA?

Penair has a full codeshare with AS

It is somewhat regrettable that PenAir codesharing is limited to AS in PDX. Access to other AS partners (particularly DL) would open up a lot of good connection opportunities through the PDX hub.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:34 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 119):
This is cool. For some reason the OMA times are pretty crappy compared to STL and MCI.

As I think was discussed on the thread about these new flights to PDX, AS squeezed service to 3 new cities out of just 2 new airplanes (E-175s.)

If you look at the schedules (released with the original press release on July 30) the PDX-MCI flt departs at 9:35a, turns in KC and returns to PDX at 5:45p. AS then turns that plane to a 6:50pm departure for OMA. The a/c RONs in OMA, then departs at 7am the next morning, arriving back in PDX at 8:45am where it turns and heads back to MCI and the whole schedule repeats itself.

I would guess that if not for the bad times for the OMA trip, Portland would have seen only 2 new routes starting next February -- KC and MSP. The times to and from OMA may not be real desirable for most, but perhaps they're better than no service at all.

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:41 pm

I'm hoping KS will open more interline agreements as they grow in the Lower 48. Their new CEC-PDX and (pending) LMT-PDX routes plus proposed RDD/ACV-PDX routes may need more interline feed to be successful. Danny Seybert, KS CEO, mentioned to me earlier this year that they wanted to work with AA but (1) their e-ticketing wasn't currently compatible, and (2) AA didn't want to discuss until after the US merger is through, to not take away development resources. So I do hope (being in CEC) that this will get picked-up soon. It affects AA/AAdvantage Award travel too, as the KS routes are ineligible for both mileage accrual and redemption.

There is still a shortcoming, if you will, in the KS-AS agreement as KS really is an independent carrier with a interline/codeshare marketing agreement with AS except for the ANC-DUT route which AS has a capacity purchase agreement on. As such, my annual AS Visa Card companion ticket incentive can't be used on the KS routes other than the ANC-DUT. Meaning I still have to drive over to MFR to use the companion fare on QX and onward on QX/AS.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 122):
Portland would have seen only 2 new routes starting next February -- KC and MSP. The times to and from OMA may not be real desirable for most, but perhaps they're better than no service at all.

I had been hearing OMA from a couple of AS friends for a while that I know here in Portland. I had just before it was announced heard MSP.

On a second note, Yesterday, Berkshire Hathaway purchased the second largest company in the state of Oregon, Precision Castparts.

This is the company that made the original fan blades for the 777 & continues to do so to this day, along with a myriad of other precision metal aviation parts. It is now owned by Warren Buffet, there is a fair amount of investment by Berkshire here lately.

I'd expect there is a reasonable amount of OMA origin traffic that AS has picked up & if you are doing business in Portland for the day, those times work great. Plus it gives SEA traffic one more evening option instead of having to stay overnight.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 124):
I'd expect there is a reasonable amount of OMA origin traffic that AS has picked up & if you are doing business in Portland for the day, those times work great. Plus it gives SEA traffic one more evening option instead of having to stay overnight.

Hey B, hope you're having a good (cool?) summer up there.

I assume AS studied these 3 potential destinations from PDX (who am I kidding, we all KNOW they studied, and studied, and STUDIED them!) and OMA came up with the short straw (fewest pax, lowest yields, etc.) They prolly did a bit more research and were told that even with the second string times (second route of the day for the plane) folks/companies said they'd still use the service to Nebraska. So The Company decided to go for it and give PDX all 3 destinations at one time rather than the 2 now, and OMA later when more a/c time is available.

And, as in the past -- I can speak personally re: SAN-MCO -- AS will, when they DO have another a/c avail, and the route proves itself successful enough, rework the times to daylight r/t, like most routes.

But you're right, and some connections (maybe some Hawaii-OMA might even work? -- and that p.m. SEA-PDX-OMA travel might work well for some folks.

Actually I'd be pretty surprised if AAG can't get enough of those 75 seats (isn't it?) filled somehow, to make it work.

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:14 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 125):
Hey B, hope you're having a good (cool?) summer up there.

Hey B-, We have had an unusually hot summer this year with many weeks in the 90's+, That is why God invented A/S. HA! How are things around San Diego? I keep swearing I'm going to go for a long weekend some year, in between Hawaii trips.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 125):
I assume AS studied these 3 potential destinations from PDX (who am I kidding, we all KNOW they studied, and studied, and STUDIED them!) and OMA came up with the short straw (fewest pax, lowest yields, etc.) They prolly did a bit more research and were told that even with the second string times (second route of the day for the plane) folks/companies said they'd still use the service to Nebraska. So The Company decided to go for it and give PDX all 3 destinations at one time rather than the 2 now, and OMA later when more a/c time is available.

Safe assumption, I'm sure they have done multiple studies to decide how these new 175's can be best used. The fact these are the initial routes being announced, I'm guessing these are the lowest hanging fruit left.

Consider OMA-PDX has zero n/s competition, while MSP & MCI are both coming up against an incumbent in the respective markets. I'm guessing that AS can command a premium by using the 175 to OMA & Yes, you're totally correct they are using two frames, but there will be more to come, along with the 175's as they replace the CR7 routes, not sure of that exact time frame.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 125):
But you're right, and some connections (maybe some Hawaii-OMA might even work? -- and that p.m. SEA-PDX-OMA travel might work well for some folks.

I checked Hawaii & no dice, the Hawaii flights arrive PDX around 7:30pm or so, all 4 of them, IIRC. But I'm going to speculate that some business travelers will choose a quick PDX connection than another night away from home.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 125):
Actually I'd be pretty surprised if AAG can't get enough of those 75 seats (isn't it?) filled somehow, to make it work.

I think the expectation is that so many of the connections that were coming from PDX via SEA to OMA will allow AS to grow both markets.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 124):
Plus it gives SEA traffic one more evening option instead of having to stay overnight.

I wasn't thinking about the timing of the SEA-OMA flights. Is that just one flight per day? Assuming they're timed eastbound in the morning and westbound in the afternoon, they'll work well together with the PDX flight as you can always make the quick PDX-SEA connection if necessary. The timing of the PDX flights makes a lot more sense in that context.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:31 am

http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20150812/NEWS/150819867

Another record month for MFR!! I would imagine the temporary suspension of service in LMT and CEC must be fueling the increase to some degree, but great to see the record counts!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:02 am

Glad to see the MFR area doing well. Love that area of Oregon.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:22 am

Previously it had been mentioned that Air Canada would introduce year round flights from PDX to YYC. For the past couple of years the flights have been seasonal with one flight starting in the late spring and a second daily flight that usually started in mid to late June. It's great to see the year round flights to Calgary. Of note, it appears the once daily flight will be upguaged to a CRJ-700, configured with 10 F seats & 65 coach.

In monitoring the 2 daily PDX-YYC flights for the past several months I've noticed that at least the afternoon departure is chronically late. Has anyone else noticed the delays on the YYC flights? For that matter does anyone have any insight as to Air Canada's PDX operations? The last information that I knew of was that United handles all of the Air Canada ground ops at PDX.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:41 pm

July 2015 PDX airport stats are out. Another record breaking month serving over 1.7 million travels in July. Impressive.

Other notes:
Condor is killing it in PDX. Their load factors are at or near 100%(99.8%LF for July).
As is Icelandair (LF 96.1%).
Delta mainline is steadily increasing PDX traffic(up 23% for the month of July).
Alaska is up 13% for the month of July.

All around awesome month at PDX with 6.3% growth July 2015 vs July 2016.
With this kind of growth no doubt we will see more announcements in the months to come.
Hoping for BA PDX-LHR!

http://www.portofportland.com/SelfPo...A_201582093952July2015webstats.pdf
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:33 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 131):
Other notes:
Condor is killing it in PDX. Their load factors are at or near 100%(99.8%LF for July).
As is Icelandair (LF 96.1%).
Delta mainline is steadily increasing PDX traffic(up 23% for the month of July).
Alaska is up 13% for the month of July.

All around awesome month at PDX with 6.3% growth July 2015 vs July 2016.
With this kind of growth no doubt we will see more announcements in the months to come.
Hoping for BA PDX-LHR!

Good on PDX. I still haven't seen that announcement that DL is discontinuing PDX-NRT as many have long insisted is going to happen.

I'd put my money on DL PDX-CDG coming sometime, maybe seasonally like they do with SLC-AMS.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:40 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 132):

Quoting ana787 (Reply 131):
Other notes:
Condor is killing it in PDX. Their load factors are at or near 100%(99.8%LF for July).
As is Icelandair (LF 96.1%).
Delta mainline is steadily increasing PDX traffic(up 23% for the month of July).
Alaska is up 13% for the month of July.

All around awesome month at PDX with 6.3% growth July 2015 vs July 2016.
With this kind of growth no doubt we will see more announcements in the months to come.
Hoping for BA PDX-LHR!

Good on PDX. I still haven't seen that announcement that DL is discontinuing PDX-NRT as many have long insisted is going to happen.

I'd put my money on DL PDX-CDG coming sometime, maybe seasonally like they do with SLC-AMS.

I also think DL adding PDX-CDG(seasonally) is their logical next step in PDX. DL also is coming back into the PDX-HNL come December with rumors of it going year round with a 737.

PDX-NRT is the only connection PDX has to Asia. DL would be stupid to drop it especially since Nike and Intel also have contracts with this route.

With the high performance DE is seeing with PDX-FRA I wonder if LH might reenter the market.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:09 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 133):
With the high performance DE is seeing with PDX-FRA I wonder if LH might reenter the market.

Condor does well because of their business model and that they're an international low-cost carrier. I think BA is the logical next international airline for PDX in spite of what people on a.net might think when they topic comes up.

Icelandair verified that they will be returning next year and they are scheduled to resume flights May 11, 2016.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting ana787 (Reply 131):
For that matter does anyone have any insight as to Air Canada's PDX operations? The last information that I knew of was that United handles all of the Air Canada ground ops at PDX.

AC ended the contract with United on June 30th. ATS works both ATW and BTW now.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:45 pm

Quoting ramprat74 (Reply 135):

Thank you for the information sir!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:11 pm

Any chance for adding a second baggage carousel at MFR. It seems like when there are 3 or 4 flights arriving at the same time, the wait time can be as much as 45-60 minutes to get my bag.....
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting UnitedFlyer (Reply 137):

I love seeing how much MFR is growing! I'm probably a little behind on this, but how long have E-175's been flying to/from EUG and MFR to SFO and DEN?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:12 pm

I suspect that MFR will retain the Del Norte and Curry County passengers headed south to the Bay Area or Southern California. PenAir out of CEC won't make much sense at 7 1/2 hours to SFO (304 miles) and $700+ fares. I checked out CEC to FLL for a February trip and it was a 23 hour journey. No thanks, ACV or MFR wins.. Until KS interlines with other airlines besides AS, the service is doomed.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:27 pm

"Any chance for adding a second baggage carousel at MFR"

Don't feel bad. In Wenatchee, Washington KEAT they pull up this gate and unload baggage. There is no carousel. Rather embarrassing getting your baggage.
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:05 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 138):
I love seeing how much MFR is growing! I'm probably a little behind on this, but how long have E-175's been flying to/from EUG and MFR to SFO and DEN?

There are no E175s scheduled at MFR
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting HNL (Reply 141):
There are no E175s scheduled at MFR

They must have been subs then. Yesterday there were two E175 flights SFO-MFR-SFO
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:09 am

Quoting 910A (Reply 139):

I suspect that MFR will retain the Del Norte and Curry County passengers headed south to the Bay Area or Southern California. PenAir out of CEC won't make much sense at 7 1/2 hours to SFO (304 miles) and $700+ fares. I checked out CEC to FLL for a February trip and it was a 23 hour journey. No thanks, ACV or MFR wins.. Until KS interlines with other airlines besides AS, the service is doomed.

I agree with you on the interline point, but I don't think the loss to MFR/ACV will otherwise be that bad.
1. 1hr30 minute drive downtown Crescent City to ACV, 2hr30 minute drive to MFR.
2. Depending on availability, prices are way better on AS over PDX than to/from ACV on UAx. I'm seeing $427 RT CEC-SFO over PDX and total trip times of 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 hrs. Yes ACV-SFO non-stop is much quicker, but add in the drive time and longer pre-flight time at ACV vs. CEC, and the overall difference isn't that great. The trip-time differences if connecting beyond SFO vs connecting over PDX are negligible or even shorter, when considering the drive time and longer minimum-connect times at SFO. ..... Then there are the notorious ATC delays at SFO.
3. Early out/late back flights may need hotel nights at MFR (199 in the dark and weather is no picnic...101 to ACV not a lot better)/
4. Free parking at CEC. MFR is $9.00/day, ACV was $6.00/day last time I did that.

I'm flying my sister-in-law up from SMF over PDX to CEC next month. It came out 2 hours faster than UAx SMF-SFO-ACV, more than $200 cheaper ($307 round trip on AS/KS), and I don't have to drive 2 round-trips to ACV to pick her up and take her back. Yay! Less than we ever paid on UA SMF-ACV-CEC one-stop.

But, in as much as I do long-haul vacation trips, KS needs to step up and get those interline agreements, at least with all of AS's MP partners, and KS needs to be included in routings using the annual $99 companion fare granted with the AS credit card. -Those- issues are going to keep me driving over to MFR on occasion otherwise.

And, "7 1/2 hours to SFO (304 miles)"--that's the reported air miles .... it's actually 350 highway miles to the Golden Gate Bridge, then whatever time it takes to battle it through the City and then out the south end on to SFO airport.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:03 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 142):
There are no E175s scheduled at MFR

We had an E175 from SFO to MFR back In June....I'm not sure they are scheduled on a regular basis, but they seem to pop in often.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:27 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 142):
They must have been subs then. Yesterday there were two E175 flights SFO-MFR-SFO

Nice subs!
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting 910A (Reply 139):
Until KS interlines with other airlines besides AS, the service is doomed.

I'm not sure it's "doomed". It's heavily subsidized by the EAS program remember, so success here is on different terms than at most airports. But I do agree that additional interline agreements opening up more connections out of PDX would really help. The most important one likely being DL as that brings in some juicy one-stop destinations like JFK, AMS, NRT, as well as the traditional hubs of MSP, SLC, ATL, etc. You can get just about anywhere from those places. AS alone just doesn't provide the same opportunities to compete with UA and *A through SFO.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:50 pm

DL/VS announced SLC-LHR seasonally. I get SLC is a DL hub, but thoughts on PDX-LON in the near future? Ideally, it would be on BA, but DL would be ok too.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:33 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 143):
1. 1hr30 minute drive downtown Crescent City to ACV

I usually made that run in less than an hour..from the 101/199 interchange.

Total Price for 1 Traveler
$612.20

Random flight - 2/4 to SFO and 2/16 return, over 5 hours each way.

Just pointing out going to east coast(which Alaska really doesn't have many flights) from Portland will be a challenge and extremely expensive.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 143):
Then there are the notorious ATC delays at SFO

Which will still be an issue if flying to SFO.

I hope for the best..it's going to take a lot of education to change the habits of the residents of Curry and Del Norte travelers, as you and I know unless you work for the Department of Corrections, Highway Patrol, Cal trans, the salaries are really depressed in Crescent City.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 143):
KS needs to step up and get those interline agreements

We both agree on this. What I read on CAPA, out of BOS the only interline agreement KS has is with UA.

I really miss the days of flying the morning flight out CEC (6am) connecting to the 146 out of ACV to SFO and then basically to the world. That would have been WestAir at the time.

I suspect CEC will get passengers from Humboldt County going north. Flying the sister in law up, that's better than the mother in law.  Angry

[Edited 2015-08-25 10:37:00]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:45 pm

Good article...proof that Oregon is a growing international destination and a precursor of things to come...whatever that might be.

http://www.opb.org/news/article/data..._source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Edited 2015-08-25 10:45:38]

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