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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:54 pm

This might explain the drive behind the construction of all of these new hotels in Portland.........
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:55 pm

Anyone notice the new hangar being built near the UPS ramp at PDX? Any idea who it's for? Maybe Ameriflight??
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:44 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 147):
DL/VS announced SLC-LHR seasonally. I get SLC is a DL hub, but thoughts on PDX-LON in the near future? Ideally, it would be on BA, but DL would be ok too.

DL won't do PDX-LON. Seasonal PDX-CDG maybe. BA could do PDX-LON. They fly to some similar 2nd-tier places (AUS for example), and they'd pick up AS feed.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 152):
DL won't do PDX-LON. Seasonal PDX-CDG maybe. BA could do PDX-LON. They fly to some similar 2nd-tier places (AUS for example), and they'd pick up AS feed.

I know DL would likely not fly PDX-LON. BA is the strongest candidate unless on the off chance Norwegian does an LGW-PDX thing.

[Edited 2015-08-25 12:35:06]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:00 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 151):
Anyone notice the new hangar being built near the UPS ramp at PDX? Any idea who it's for? Maybe Ameriflight??

Or Empire. The NE ramp T-Hangars and old corporate hangars have been demolished. Looks like the Port is ever so closer to kicking the FBO out...
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 146):
The most important one likely being DL as that brings in some juicy one-stop destinations like JFK, AMS, NRT,

I bet the PDEW CEC-NRT, AMS is less than 5, but since WN doesn't interline, the next best is DL with 13% lift out of PDX with AS at nearly 60%, KS has only interlined with AS so far. The morning & evening flights in/out of CEC don't connect to any of the Hawaii flights except OGG.

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 150):
This might explain the drive behind the construction of all of these new hotels in Portland.........

We have a world class convention center & no world class hotel to go along with it, which is why that is happening. The Grand Hyatt Convention Center will change that scenario, the other hotel chains know soon Portland will be bringing in global conventions, as Portland is the "it" city for tourism right now. Perfect timing.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:58 pm

Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sun Aug 30, 2015 9:48 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 156):
UAL 744 EUG - ORD today.

Has to be a charter!
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting HNL (Reply 141):
There are no E175s scheduled at MFR

E175s have generally been scheduled on SFO-MFR for the late morning departure on Tuesdays and Wednesdays throughout the summer. On the weekends, they are scheduled even more frequently, sometimes running 3x the frequency.

A very nice addition to the MFR service indeed!
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:54 am

For those curious about the KS service to LMT, this is now on the PenAir website, although it doesn't appear on the route map or have tickets up for sale yet. I'm curious as to why they chose to formally announce service so listlessly.

PenAir Service - Portland to Klamath Falls, OR

CRATER LAKE – KLAMATH REGIONAL AIRPORT WILL OFFER PASSENGER AIR SERVICE SOON
(the following are excerpts taken from a press release that was submitted in partnership with the City of Klamath Falls & PenAir on 7/27/15)

Klamath Falls, OR –PenAir, one of Alaska’s largest regional airlines, has announced the intent to provide daily air service between Klamath Falls, OR and Portland, OR beginning November of 2015. In a Letter of Intent dated July 27, 2015 PenAir made formal the decision to bring commercial air service back to Klamath Falls (LMT).

PenAir is partnered with Alaska Airlines in the Pacific Northwest and the proposed flight schedule will aid travelers in connecting with flights out of Portland to cities served by airlines like Alaska, Delta and American.

"The announcement of PenAir as our newest community member is fantastic on so many fronts and I couldn’t be more proud of the City Manager and all the good people who stepped up and helped with the effort." said Klamath Falls Mayor Todd Kellstrom.

PenAir’s decision to operate in Klamath Falls is based on many discussions with the community and local offers of support from the City and numerous businesses. The letter of intent to serve LMT allows time for the airport to work with the the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to re-establish security procedures and processes at the Crater Lake – Klamath Regional Airport.

Here is the link:

http://www.penair.com/destinations/westcoast
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting twincommander (Reply 154):
Quoting twincommander (Reply 154):
Or Empire. The NE ramp T-Hangars and old corporate hangars have been demolished. Looks like the Port is ever so closer to kicking the FBO out...

On the contrary..The FBO (Atlantic) is planning to expand eastward with the development of a new larger Business Aviation Terminal, two new corporate-class hangars and lease 340,000 square feet in Zone 2(This includes the area where the United cargo building are located)..United cargo/maintenance will be relocating to the south cargo area...
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:17 am

Here's the link for Atlantic Aviation expansion at PDX: https://www.portofportland.com/PDX_Cmnty_Advsry_Cmt_Mtng_Mtrls.aspx

then click Atlantic aviation relocation.......
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:31 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 160):

That is a complete 180 degree shift from a few years ago. This is really exciting to see that the FBO gets to keep their hold here, and get a massive expansion aimed at making them a more global friendly place.

Good find, even though its been there for awhile. I couldn't find it without using your link.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:05 pm

According to this document, although no details are available, it could suggest that the new hangar by UPS will in fact be for Ameriflight. See page 6

https://www.portofportland.com/pdfpop/PDX_CAC_062415_Business-Update.pdf

The new Atlantic facility looks incredible and will further add to the grandeur of PDX
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:49 pm

Quoting twincommander (Reply 162):
Quoting twincommander (Reply 162):
This is really exciting to see that the FBO gets to keep their hold here, and get a massive expansion aimed at making them a more global friendly place.

Absolutely and that is just the beginning..If you look at zone 4 where the old Delta building is currently sitting, that area is also reserved for future general aviation/FBO development at PDX...........
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:38 pm

Anybody at PDX know where PenAir (KS) will be operating from? PDX-CEC service starts 15SEP. Hopefully they can squeeze in with QX or AS, and not be way out somewhere.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 165):
Anybody at PDX know where PenAir (KS) will be operating from? PDX-CEC service starts 15SEP. Hopefully they can squeeze in with QX or AS, and not be way out somewhere.

I was under the impression that it would be on A with QX.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:32 pm

According to the most recent Redmond Airport Committee meeting (8-3-2015):

"Allegiant [Airlines] expressed interest in providing service to Los Angeles at the June 3rd JumpStart meeting. The COAST (Central Oregon Air Service Team) team prepared and submitted a proposal to Allegiant Airlines on June 11th; we are awaiting their response. The proposal offered the same basic incentives package offered to American Airlines for the LAX route comprised of a 1-year waiver of landing fees, terminal office build-out cost offset up to $50,000 and local marketing of up to $25,000."

As of that meeting, there had been no response from Allegiant. This is interesting because G4 flew to RDM once before and I think had even announced RDM-LAX flights before suddenly ceasing all flights from RDM. While I think it would be great to see RDM pick up another airline, wouldn't this cut into AA's flights? Secondly, of all the airlines, why Allegiant? They've already dated them, why waste money on a date you know will end in disaster?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:15 pm

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 165):
Anybody at PDX know where PenAir (KS) will be operating from? PDX-CEC service starts 15SEP. Hopefully they can squeeze in with QX or AS, and not be way out somewhere.

Initially they will operate out of E6. In November PenAir and SeaPort will relocate to the B concourse.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 167):
They've already dated them, why waste money on a date you know will end in disaster?

The central Oregon when G4 pulled out is not the central Oregon late 2015, Deschutes county is once again the fastest growing county in the state, the housing has turned around, I know the value of our property on Crooked River ranch went up this year & that's in Jefferson county.

I guess what I'm saying is the economics of the region have changed & plenty of those folks that have stretched Bend / Redmond / Prineville to a housing boom again came from California. BTW, the number one reason that people are moving here to Oregon from a recently taken poll, was for the water & it's availability.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:53 am

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 168):
Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 165):
Anybody at PDX know where PenAir (KS) will be operating from? PDX-CEC service starts 15SEP. Hopefully they can squeeze in with QX or AS, and not be way out somewhere.

Initially they will operate out of E6. In November PenAir and SeaPort will relocate to the B concourse.

Thanks. My sister-in-law is connecting from QX to KS on 20SEP, and back in a couple of weeks, so she'll need her jogging shoes and a map.

Out of curiosity, is the move in November because the Concourse E rebuild is starting?
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:22 am

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 170):
Out of curiosity, is the move in November because the Concourse E rebuild is starting?

Correct. AC and UAX have already consolidated onto E5 and E4.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:41 am

A more clearer depiction of the new Concourse E extension........

http://www.columbian.com/news/2015/s...nge-is-coming-to-portland-airport/
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:03 am

Redmond Airport reports record boardings in July
58,560 passengers broke mark set a year earlier
From KTVZ.COM news sources
POSTED: 2:02 PM PDT September 9, 2015

http://www.ktvz.com/news/Redmond-Air...-record-boardings-in-July/35183584
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 173):
Redmond Airport reports record boardings in July
58,560 passengers broke mark set a year earlier
From KTVZ.COM news sources
POSTED: 2:02 PM PDT September 9, 2015

This very well explains why G4 has some new sparked interest in LAX-RDM, this is an under served route given the number of relocated Californians in the Redmond / Bend area.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 173):
Redmond Airport reports record boardings in July
58,560 passengers broke mark set a year earlier
From KTVZ.COM news sources
POSTED: 2:02 PM PDT September 9, 2015

http://www.ktvz.com/news/Redmond-Air...-record-boardings-in-July/35183584

Hmmm. RDM is still in 4th place in terms of passengers at Oregon airports behind PDX, EUG and MFR. Not far behind MFR though. Wonder if RDM will sneak into 3rd place sometime in the next decade...

If all three airports (not including PDX) continue growing consistently at the rates they saw in 2014, then you see MFR passing EUG in 2022, RDM passing EUG in 2023, and RDM passing MFR in 2024. Of course this is purely academic...

[Edited 2015-09-10 12:33:21]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:52 pm

Hainan Airlines PDX-Beijing on wiki starting 3/20/2016?? This must be an error.....When was this announced?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:54 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 176):
Hainan Airlines PDX-Beijing on wiki starting 3/20/2016?? This must be an error.....When was this announced?

As awesome as that would be, there is no source supporting the claim, and if you go to Hainan's or Beijing's wiki site, there is no reference of PDX anywhere. Maybe someday.

[Edited 2015-09-10 14:57:43]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:57 pm

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 176):
Hainan Airlines PDX-Beijing on wiki starting 3/20/2016?? This must be an error.....When was this announced?

Probably unlikely. But with Alaska's recently announced partnership with HU its not that unlikely. PDX-PEK would be a success due to their very competitive fares to Asia. I could see 3x/week service PDX-PEK.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:09 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 178):

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 176):
Hainan Airlines PDX-Beijing on wiki starting 3/20/2016?? This must be an error.....When was this announced?

Probably unlikely. But with Alaska's recently announced partnership with HU its not that unlikely. PDX-PEK would be a success due to their very competitive fares to Asia. I could see 3x/week service PDX-PEK.

Seems like a remote possibility. But they do already fly to SJC. (in addition to SFO and LAX), so maybe PDX wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 179):
Seems like a remote possibility. But they do already fly to SJC. (in addition to SFO and LAX), so maybe PDX wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them.

I too think it's possible, especially with the newer partnership they have with Alaska. PDX makes sense, but until there's actual proof, I'll wait to be excited.
 
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Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:15 pm

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 178):
Probably unlikely. But with Alaska's recently announced partnership with HU its not that unlikely. PDX-PEK would be a success due to their very competitive fares to Asia. I could see 3x/week service PDX-PEK.

If not HU, it'll be another carrier soon enough, PDX is seeing unprecedented growth currently, there are no less than 24 major construction projects going on in the metro area, Things are growing fast, including exports & with China being as big of a trade partner as it is, I think the route could be profitable quickly (by industry standards) with the cargo opportunities.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:17 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 181):
If not HU, it'll be another carrier soon enough, PDX is seeing unprecedented growth currently, there are no less than 24 major construction projects going on in the metro area, Things are growing fast, including exports & with China being as big of a trade partner as it is, I think the route could be profitable quickly (by industry standards) with the cargo opportunities.

Couldn't agree more. PDX is well served to Europe (although LHR on BA would be lovely), but seems to be a little too light toward Asia given the business links PDX has, and with Alaska's growth in Portland, it certainly helps the argument to add a flight somewhere across the Pacific, and HU makes the most sense.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 182):
Couldn't agree more. PDX is well served to Europe (although LHR on BA would be lovely), but seems to be a little too light toward Asia given the business links PDX has, and with Alaska's growth in Portland, it certainly helps the argument to add a flight somewhere across the Pacific, and HU makes the most sense.

HU to PEK or KE to ICN make the most sense as they can tie into AS' PDX operations quite nicely. Its only a matter of time before we see additional asia service from PDX. In other news it looks like DL is operating PDX-NRT two times this month with a 777LR. Loads look very high for those flights.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:53 pm

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 179):
But they do already fly to SJC. (in addition to SFO and LAX), s

Actually HU doesn't serve SFO or LAX. I've seen nothing that indicates HU will serve PDX, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility either.

I see Hainan on the PDX Wiki page too. I wonder if someone knows something that we don't know yet.

I also can see NH starting PDX.

[Edited 2015-09-10 15:55:05]
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 184):

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 179):
But they do already fly to SJC. (in addition to SFO and LAX), s

Actually HU doesn't serve SFO or LAX. I've seen nothing that indicates HU will serve PDX, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility either.

I see Hainan on the PDX Wiki page too. I wonder if someone knows something that we don't know yet.

I also can see NH starting PDX.

Oh yeah, I see HU doesn't fly to SFO or LAX. They advertise SFO and LAX to PEK on their USA website, so I figured they flew the route. Seems they route through SJC and SEA on those flights using AS connections... curious.

As for ANA, I really can't see any international service working in PDX without AS feed, and *A is so weak now at PDX, it's not going to help much, but hey, what do I know?
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 176):
Hainan Airlines PDX-Beijing on wiki starting 3/20/2016?? This must be an error

Personally I'd like to get anet user "The Korean" to weigh in on this. According to his posts most people in Asia are oblivious to Portland, Oregon and a route such as this will "NEVER" happen. 
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:25 am

This is my first time hearing that people in Asia were oblivious to Portland, Oregon.....Thanks for enlightening me...
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:14 am

Quoting bigfoot0503 (Reply 186):
Quoting lhpdx (Reply 176):
Hainan Airlines PDX-Beijing on wiki starting 3/20/2016?? This must be an error

Personally I'd like to get anet user "The Korean" to weigh in on this. According to his posts most people in Asia are oblivious to Portland, Oregon and a route such as this will "NEVER" happen. 
Quoting lhpdx (Reply 187):

This is my first time hearing that people in Asia were oblivious to Portland, Oregon.....Thanks for enlightening me...

I want to know more about this. I agree lhpdx this is the first time in my life I have heard anything like this about PDX or the Portland area.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:47 am

From Fly Crescent City:

The inaugural PenAir flight from Crescent City to Portland International Airport is scheduled to be flown by Ship 410.
We look forward to seeing its stylish livery glistening under a water cannon salute as it taxis out for departure Tuesday morning.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:23 am

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 182):
Couldn't agree more. PDX is well served to Europe (although LHR on BA would be lovely), but seems to be a little too light toward Asia given the business links PDX has, and with Alaska's growth in Portland, it certainly helps the argument to add a flight somewhere across the Pacific, and HU makes the most sense.

If my understanding of the way the Chinese government allows Chinese carriers to fly routes is that no one route can be overlapped by another Chinese carrier, please tell me if I'm wrong.

With that understanding, it's really only a matter of time before a PDX-PEK route is going to operate, why not beat CA to the punch by offering PDX before any other Chinese carrier? This is an invest able market that can be cultivated.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 183):
HU to PEK or KE to ICN make the most sense as they can tie into AS' PDX operations quite nicely.

I think most of us would agree that any International route that comes to PDX is going to need AS lift for it to work as quickly as possible, I would much rather connect in PDX than SEA for sure.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 184):
Actually HU doesn't serve SFO or LAX. I've seen nothing that indicates HU will serve PDX, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility either.

Somebody is going to do it eventually, if HU was smart they'd at least consider the value being the dominant carrier on such a route five years from now.

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 185):
Seems they route through SJC and SEA on those flights using AS connections... curious.

As HU is now proven to be after those second tier markets from China, I think PDX is a natural fit 3x weekly at first.

Quoting Airnerd (Reply 185):
As for ANA, I really can't see any international service working in PDX without AS feed, and *A is so weak now at PDX, it's not going to help much

I agree with this, each time the subject comes up I just think it'll be JL before NH at PDX, but what do I know, I still expect O/W to one day have a focus city at PDX with BA, JL & AA co-operating flights, with one strategic regional partner with a large presence at PDX ... ie ... AS.
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:36 am

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 187):
This is my first time hearing that people in Asia were oblivious to Portland, Oregon.....Thanks for enlightening me...

Regarding my statement about fellow A-Netter "The Korean" I mention this purely tongue and cheek. If you have ever read some of his comments regarding PDX and international air service they are purely comical and nothing else. Obviously I don't subscribe to his theories.

I'm really quite enthused about PDX and what a wonderful facility that we have here in the Pacific NW. For that matter the positive growth of all of the commercial airports in Oregon is excellent news and hopefully a trend that will continue.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:06 am

I'm moving to EUG at the end of the month, so I guess I better start following this thread! I'm looking forward to my move to Oregon. I flew a very nice UAX E170 SFO-EUG last week and a dumpy CR2 to DEN on the way out. As dated as that airport is, it is such a nice experience compared to the clusterf that I'm used to at SFO!

I was wondering whether anybody could tell me any information about mainline service to EUG in more recent years. Aside from F9 briefly flying to DEN and the few random "we fly when we feel like it" routes on Allegiant, what were some of the other more recent mainline services from EUG?

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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:06 am

Quoting intotheair (Reply 192):
I'm moving to EUG at the end of the month

Awesome, welcome to Eugene and Oregon! Eugene is really a wonderful community with lots going on and a vibrant, dynamic scene with the U of O and other offerings in the Eugene/Springfield area.

Quoting intotheair (Reply 192):
what were some of the other more recent mainline services from EUG?

One particular A-netter and fellow Oregonian, user RWA380 has compiled a very detailed list of airports in Oregon and the past and present air service that each community has seen. I would personally recommend reviewing anything that he may offer...I know he as done some excellent work in compiling this detailed information.

I for one flew in and out of Eugene as a young airline manager in the early 1990's on mostly United and United Express. Specifically I recall flights from DEN n/s to Eugene flying on a B737..also I believe UA used the B727 on the DEN route. As for the UA flights from EUG to SFO I want to say that the B737 was utilized quite a bit during that same time period.

With the Oregon Ducks and the national spotlight frequently on Eugene it's not uncommon to see some "heavies" in and out of the airport. I know that last year there were numerous charters associated with travel to several of the championship games...UA had a B767 and also I believe a B747 in at least once or twice. Southwest is frequently utilized by tour companies that charter Duck fans travelling to away games. EUG is really quite an interesting airport with some pretty noteworthy activity at times.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:08 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 190):
I agree with this, each time the subject comes up I just think it'll be JL before NH at PDX, but what do I know, I still expect O/W to one day have a focus city at PDX with BA, JL & AA co-operating flights, with one strategic regional partner with a large presence at PDX ... ie ... AS.

I've read around from others on A.net and other sites about the plausibility of AA setting up a small trans-pac "hub" in PDX. While many will argue that's pointless because they have LAX, why add PDX as a launch point, just look at Delta. They have LAX too to an extent but still made a push through Seattle.

If AA were to put together a small focus city in Portland, I wouldn't expect it to be huge, but I can see it doing well because of AS. Airlines can learn a lot from DL in the 80's and 90's in PDX. While the O&D from PDX is as large as somewhere like Seattle, it's still bigger than it was 10 years ago, and it is growing in a healthy way. And for the record, sometimes the whole argument that O&D "isn't large enough for a hub" gets old. Salt Lake City isn't a large O&D market by any stretch of the imagination, yet it still works as a hub. There are a lot more variable that go into the success of a hub...like geography?

Having AA, AS, BA, and JL in Portland (and I suspect BA and JL will be here sooner rather than later) would do very well as long as it was a moderate approach to growth and expansion, and in such a way that it doesn't overfill the airport making it cramped and dingy. I thought I read that AA requested more gate space at PDX near the end of C. That could simply be due to the merger, but there might be some underlying reason. It's fun to think about at least.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting intotheair (Reply 192):
I was wondering whether anybody could tell me any information about mainline service to EUG in more recent years. Aside from F9 briefly flying to DEN and the few random "we fly when we feel like it" routes on Allegiant, what were some of the other more recent mainline services from EUG?

United flew 737's up until 2009 to/from EUG and I think briefly had A319/320's on the route. American use to do a EUG-PDX route with MD-80's and 727's I think, and Morris Air flew 737's from EUG in the 1990's until they were bought by Southwest.

As mentioned above, RWA380 would have factual knowledge on this as he has compiled a nice list of past service.

As for the future of EUG, it wouldn't surprise me to see mainline return to the airport, and it wouldn't surprise me to Alaska add a 737 from the airport to somewhere. Pure wishing of course.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:50 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 19):
I've read around from others on A.net and other sites about the plausibility of AA setting up a small trans-pac "hub" in PDX.

LOL. Never. Gonna. Happen. They don't even run LAX, JFK, or MIA. To start up something as big as a Trans-Pac gateway, there needs to be somewhat of a visibly dominating brand already existing, something AA does not have in Portland. Way more likely Alaska invests in some 787s and starts their own.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 196):
LOL. Never. Gonna. Happen. They don't even run LAX, JFK, or MIA. To start up something as big as a Trans-Pac gateway, there needs to be somewhat of a visibly dominating brand already existing, something AA does not have in Portland. Way more likely Alaska invests in some 787s and starts their own.

What you're forgetting is that when Delta started the SEA hub, they didn't have anything in terms of feed on DL metal so they counted on Alaska. As we know, that relationship started to sour and they're in an epic airline battle.

For AA to start LAX, JFK, or MIA to PDX wouldn't be that difficult, nor would other sub-markets...but that's where Alaska comes in. I never would think PDX to become a "huge" hub for American, BUT, I do think it could service a geographical purpose to Asia for American.

So before you laugh off the notion of it being possible, look at the logistics of it, look at the demographical statistics in support of it, and think about the strengthening relationship Alaska and American have. For an airline the size of American, it doesn't take much to increase brand awareness and with Alaska as the dominating brand in Portland, and as long as the relationship between the two remains healthy, it could work successfully in both AA and AS favor.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 197):
So before you laugh off the notion of it being possible, look at the logistics of it, look at the demographical statistics in support of it, and think about the strengthening relationship Alaska and American have. For an airline the size of American, it doesn't take much to increase brand awareness and with Alaska as the dominating brand in Portland, and as long as the relationship between the two remains healthy, it could work successfully in both AA and AS favor.


Even with AS feed at PDX, I don't think AA would be able to do more than NRT, ICN and possibly PEK. That's it. Look at how much DL is struggling to fill planes at SEA which has twice the metro population and a more robust overall economy.
 
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RE: Oregon Aviation Thread - Part 8

Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting flyoregon (Reply 195):
United flew 737's up until 2009 to/from EUG and I think briefly had A319/320's on the route. American use to do a EUG-PDX route with MD-80's and 727's I think, and Morris Air flew 737's from EUG in the 1990's until they were bought by Southwest.

Er, no. For six months, (the very last six months pre-merger United had 737s) they operated them on the EUG-SFO runs to cover the Olympic track and field trials held at the U of O. During that six month period of poorly maintained aircraft which experienced one-two maintenance delays a day, there have not been mainline aircraft flying for United, Delta or American at Eugene in scheduled service since 2002.

It was 2002 when United turned the station over to SkyWest Airlines to run and under the union contract with United employees, mainline aircraft could not serve the station for more that six months without the station being handled by mainline, union employees. In 2012, just shy of 10 years of SkyWest management, United announced that Eugene, and the other small stations in Oregon were being handed over to even cheaper management companies, and Eugene was contracted to DGS, a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta.

There are two reasons I strongly doubt you'll ever see mainline aircraft in Eugene on regular scheduled service:

Eugene's market functions best with multiple flights on smaller aircraft and that actually provides more first class seating - which allows more upgrades.

Eugene's Airport manager for the last I think 7 years is entirely enamored with mainline aircraft to the exclusion of all else and has been frantically trying to get any mainline service for all of his time there, to no avail. If he hasn't succeeded at this point, it just isn't going to happen. He should perhaps have worked to maintain DL service on 700/900 aircraft two to three times a day instead of allowing it to fall to 200s. Or allowed the 200s back onto Denver - which is a brutally long flight for a 200. I'd even argue that doing anything at all to maintain the 2x daily AA to LAX is a critical link for EUG.

But then, what do I know? I only worked as a station supervisor there for SkyWest for 8 years.

Have fun in EUG!! Learn to love RJs. And NEVER schedule a connection in SFO tighter than 2.5 hours, ever!

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