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330lover
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AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:26 pm

simple question:
how many AF aircraft have the new long haul business class installed by now, and what is the schedule for the remaining ones?

A330-200 = ?
A343-300 = none I suppose, will they be renewed?
A380-800 = ?
B777-200 = ?
B777-300 = ?
B747-400 = same as for A343?

thanks for info.
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kl838
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:59 pm

AF is currently focusing on the 777 as it is the back bone of the fleet, and will move on to retrofit the A330/A380 after completing the 777. The schedule is as as follows:

Boeing 777:
- 5 frames in 2014
- 26 frames in 2015 (21 retrofitted in 2015)
- 44 frames in 2016 (18 retrofitted in 2016)

So total of 44 B777 in BEST (Zodiac Cirrus seat) out of 62 today in AF fleet
18 B777 will stay in NEV4 (angled seat) in configuration of 42J or COI/14J

- in 2017 : A330/A380 aircraft (no schedule as of yet)

Boeing 744 and Airbus A343 will leave the fleet as new aircraft such as the 787 and A350 enter the fleet. It is a mystery why AF wants to keep 18 777 in the old NEV4 seat, when they could just upgrade all and have a more flexible and consistent fleet, rather than giving substandard service on COI flights.

[Edited 2015-06-11 09:02:04]
 
olba
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:32 pm

Is there any way to know which registrations have the new seats?
 
330lover
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:50 pm

Quoting olba (Reply 2):

And which routes they are usually deployed on?
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olba
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:52 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 3):
AF Plans For New J Seats on LAX-PPT? (by remymartin11 Apr 20 2015 in Civil Aviation)

This thread may have the information you are looking for
 
GASQKL
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:07 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 3):
And which routes they are usually deployed on?

For sure, the 77W that AF uses on its CDG - SIN - CGK has the new retrofitted cabin. It is actually one of the very first route with the new cabin. Very nice I would say! Love the color and the interior. The bar area looks nice as well.
 
kl838
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:36 pm

Quoting olba (Reply 2):
Is there any way to know which registrations have the new seats?
Quoting 330lover (Reply 3):
And which routes they are usually deployed on?

Doesn't necessarily mean that new cabin is present every day on a specific route, and schedule may vary.

(J) means that this flight has a 3 class configuration (J/W/Y)
(P) means that this flight has a 4 class configuration, with La Premiere (P/J/W/Y).

- IAH (AF636/639): 25 October 2015 (P)

- LAX (AF072/069): 6 July 2015 (J)

- JFK (AF012/017): 1 June 2015 (J)

- JFK (AF010/011): 27 January 2015 (P)

- JFK (AF008/009): 20 June 2014 (J) and 29 March 15 (P)

- IAD (AF026/027): 6 July 2015 (J)

- YVR (AF374/379): 20 June 2015 (J)

- YYZ (AF356/351): 4 May 2015 (J)

- GRU (AF456/459): 12 January 2015 (J)

- PTY (AF474/475): 14 September 2015 (J)

- PEK (AF382/381): 12 October 2015 (P)

- PVG (AF112/107): 10 Nov 2014 (J)

- CAN (AF102/107): 29 March 2015 (J)

- WUH (AF132/139): 15 June 2015 (J)

- SIN (AF256/257): 9 June 2015 (J)

- SIN/CGK (AF254/259): 29 September 2014 (P)

- HND (AF272/279): 26 October 2014 (J)

- HND (AF274/293): 30 December 2014 (J) and 14 April 2015 (P)

- DLA/SSH (AF958/953): 7 April 2015 (J)

- LBV (AF976/977): 14 September 2015 (P)

- NSI (AF900/901): 14 May 2015 (J) and 3 August 2015 (P)

- BGF/NSI (AF775): 1st September 2015 (J)

- BEY (AF566/565): 14 September 2015 (P)

- DXB (AF3884/3831): 23 February 2015 (P)
 
330lover
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting kl838 (Reply 6):
Doesn't necessarily mean that new cabin is present every day on a specific route, and schedule may vary.

Very aware of that.
but one could assume that on the key routes like CDG-JFK, CDG-SIN, CDG-HKG or others, AF would do the utmost to send the new configured ones.
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AF022
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:09 am

I returned back to Paris recently on AF009 and was lucky enough to have the flat bed seats. But the outbound trip on AF022 was the old seat.
 
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:09 pm

Quoting 330lover (Thread starter):
how many AF aircraft have the new long haul business class installed by now, and what is the schedule for the remaining ones?

A330-200 = ?
A343-300 = none I suppose, will they be renewed?
A380-800 = ?
B777-200 = ?
B777-300 = ?
B747-400 = same as for A343?

As of Today June 13 2015 :

11 B772ER have now the new "Best & Beyond" Cabin :

- F-GSPC, PG, PH, PK, PR, PS, PT, PU, PV, PX, PY

5 B773ER :

- F-GSQB, QC, QG, QH, QJ

The 25 B772ER and 19 B773ER concerned by this retrofit will be ready by the summer 2016.
The B773ER with the 42J and 14J config (no P) will not be retrofitted for he moment.

Summer 2016, the retrofit of the 15 A332 and 10 A388 will begin.


The A343 will not get the new interior as their retirement will start soon : 1 aircraft (F-GLZC) will leave the fleet in September this year, the other will be retired starting Oct. 2016 when the B787 will be delivered (on a 1 for 1 basis)

3 of the 5 remaining B744 will leave the fleet end of October this year. The last two remaining will continue to operate only the Daily CDG-MEX-CDG until january 10th 2016.
 
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
3 of the 5 remaining B744 will leave the fleet end of October this year. The last two remaining will continue to operate only the Daily CDG-MEX-CDG until january 10th 2016.

Wow! MEX is the last man standing. So what happens after Jan. 10th? MEX becomes a 777-300ER (3-class) destination?
Upcoming flights:
April/May: AM MEX-SCL 788 (J), AM EZE-MEX 789 (J).
 
FlySSC
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:35 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):



Wow! MEX is the last man standing. So what happens after Jan. 10th? MEX becomes a 777-300ER (3-class) destination?

After January 10th, the B744 will be replaced by a 4-class B77W, reintroducing the First Class on the route
 
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RE: AF Long Haul Cabin Upgrade - Status?

Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:08 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
After January 10th, the B744 will be replaced by a 4-class B77W, reintroducing the First Class on the route

Thanks a lot FlySSC! Great news!
Upcoming flights:
April/May: AM MEX-SCL 788 (J), AM EZE-MEX 789 (J).

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