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AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:43 pm

An American official was quoted on the record as saying the launch of service to Auckland is "on our radar" on the heels of American announced an expanded JBA with Qantas and daily service to Sydney:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/american-air...plans-auckland-los-angeles-flights

No surprise there, and I fully expect we'll see AA 787s flying to Auckland next year. This has been rumored for a long time, good to see AA acknowledge it.
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:57 pm

Yep, that is basically what they said during the joint press conference too. Nothing concrete but sounds like it is just a matter of when
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:11 pm

No surprise. I just hope they go with the "smarter" way by starting LAX-AKL and not DFW-AKL.


Great to hear that AA wants to expand more by adding new cities.

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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:11 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 2):

No surprise. I just hope they go with the "smarter" way by starting LAX-AKL and not DFW-AKL.

How is that smarter? DFW serves as a more direct connection for most of the US to AKL. No need to compete on LAX.

Also what about LHR-DFW-AKL?

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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:19 pm

Quoting YouGeeElWhy (Reply 3):
How is that smarter? DFW serves as a more direct connection for most of the US to AKL. No need to compete on LAX.

LAX is an destination market from Auckland, just as much as its an transit point.

California is an well regarded destination from New Zealand in general, has been for years.
 
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:53 pm

It will be interesting to see how a potential DFW-AKL flight would affect loads and yields on the A380 from SYD.
 
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting YouGeeElWhy (Reply 3):
How is that smarter? DFW serves as a more direct connection for most of the US to AKL. No need to compete on LAX.

AKL-LAX is about 200 PDEW. AKL-DFW is about 7 PDEW. Sure they could have DFW all by themselves, but why bother its barely even a market. Most of the major points are covered via connections in LAX and then they at least have a shot at having a local component to the flight.
 
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:07 pm

They've been saying this

Quoting YouGeeElWhy (Reply 3):
DFW serves as a more direct connection for most of the US to AKL. No need to compete on LAX.

NZ is starting AKL-IAH this December which effectively means AA would still be competing with NZ on its DFW-AKL route if pax are connecting to cities in Texas, the midwest, or southeast.
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:41 pm

AKLLAX is the most likely--largest market, largest profit, best potential. AKLDFW is the most helpful for me and would have me jumping up and down for joy for days on end. So, let's hope AA does what is best for me!

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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:51 pm

It has to be LAX in any rational sense. DFW is just too small a market and there isn't much in terms of connections that can't be done through LAX anyway. For NZ it was to diversify away from LAX as they already had 2-3 daily flights there. This isn't the case for AA.
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:16 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 9):
and there isn't much in terms of connections that can't be done through LAX anyway.

Have you ever looked at the routes ex-DFW versus LAX? There's a reason QF flies SYD-DFW.
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:25 am

Why do UA or DL not fly to AKL?
 
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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:35 am

If AKL-DFW happens I highly doubt it will be before LAX. If the TPAC market ex NZL is anything like Australia then the West Coast has the majority of the O&D on the NA end. DFW works well for whatever is going to the Midwest/South/East Coast but is useless for LAX/SFO/YVR all of which are served by NZ nonstop. If QF/AA were to launch DFW but not LAX then NZ ought to send them both a big thank you card.

Also AKL-DFW isn't happening with ETOPS 180. One of them would have to be certified for ETOPS 240 rating at the least.

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RE: AA Looks To Add AKL In QF JBA

Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:56 am

"Questions" - "Why do UA or DL not fly to AKL?"

I can't answer the DL bit so maybe someone else can help out,

Press release from NZ dated back to 2003. WOW they still keep them!

10 February 2003

Air New Zealand has announced the suspension of its direct flights from Sydney to Los Angeles effective after the last flight on 27 April. This move will enable Air New Zealand to focus on operating its increased Auckland - Los Angeles services from 14 to 17 per week as from April 2003, as announced last month.

Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer, Ralph Norris, said the decision to suspend services was made as part of an ongoing review of the airline's long haul business.

"We have not made this decision lightly - quite simply our service between Sydney and Los Angeles is one of our least profitable. However, we will continue to monitor the route and, if market conditions improve, we will be prepared to re-enter."

"Meanwhile, the United Airlines withdrawal from New Zealand as from April 2003 has opened up additional opportunities for our Auckland - Los Angeles operations," said Mr Norris.

http://www.airnewzealand.co.uk/press...airnz-suspends-syd-to-lax-services

With the pressure of AA look to enter, one of several options under consideration is for UA to start SFO - AKL - it seems the next 6 months will be very interesting.
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