Houston Aviation Thread - Part 1

FlyingSicilian · Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting iad51fl (Reply 49):
They are starting to peel off, the trim is coming off and just look like crap. Why not the trusted metal slats, just print out a name on vinyl material, stick it on the sign, and replace a blank one.

What ever they are using now looks like Avery labels ran through a laser printer and just stuck on the sign....at least the D/E one I just saw.

And some are hidden by trees until you are right up on them which is fast. Also Air Canada is listed as domestic.

While I get they have pre-clearance it is still not domestic LOL

They do have the fancy new electronic picture billboards which are much better than old pictures of Lee P. Brown.

aznmadsci · Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:33 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 50):
They do have the fancy new electronic picture billboards which are much better than old pictures of Lee P. Brown.

Yeah those old pics of Brown welcoming to you to Houston were just creepy!

iahcsr · Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:44 pm

FYI BR52 TPEIAH 'Helo Kitty' will be arriving around 1600hr today

stxbohn · Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 30):
What I would LOVE to see is UA beef up its domestic profile from IAH. Bring back DAY, CID, and GSO, and the second frequency on DSM.

I was going to mention the good ole IAH-GSO again but figured it was futile in the diminishing world of ERJ-145 aircraft... Anyone at United route planning reading this thread and can comment on the possibilities of even a single frequency to these former markets with maybe a freed up 145XR that's not going to the desert coming off of a route receiving the E175s???

IAHflyer97 · Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting stxbohn (Reply 53):

I was going to mention the good ole IAH-GSO again but figured it was futile in the diminishing world of ERJ-145 aircraft... Anyone at United route planning reading this thread and can comment on the possibilities of even a single frequency to these former markets with maybe a freed up 145XR that's not going to the desert coming off of a route receiving the E175s???

Speaking of old domestic routes, what ever happened to the Chattanooga proposal?

And on top of that, how long until NK takes up IAH-ACY? Lord knows they've been going HAM on adding flights out of here.

IAHflyer97 · Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:28 pm

BR has landed safely and pics are being posted!

http://www.fly2houston.com

flyingclrs727 · Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:04 am

I sure wish United would play nice with their Star Alliance partner, Turkish Airlines at IAH. If I want to buy a ticket round trip IAH-ISH-ODS on TK, I can get a ticket for about $980 for September whether I get the ticket from TK's website or Orbitz. If I try to get a round trip ticket CRP-IAH-IST-ODS, I can't buy a ticket on either the TK or UA website. If I query it on Orbitz, they want over $2,000, and I they only offer it with a 15+ hour layover in IST either outbound or inbound, but I can get a flight with no more than a 3 hour layover from the TK website. That's a hell of a premium to add on a pair of 201 mile flights onto my internary.

bigb · Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:07 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 2):

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 50):
And some are hidden by trees until you are right up on them which is fast. Also Air Canada is listed as domestic.

While I get they have pre-clearance it is still not domestic LOL

They do have the fancy new electronic picture billboards which are much better than old pictures of Lee P. Brow

Something to keep in mind is that Air Canada operates out of Domestic Terminal A. They have Air Canada lumped in the category with AA, DL, AS, UA while all flights that requires clearance through customs are listed as international for Terminals D and E.

toxtethogrady · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 26):
What's the future hold for EFD? Any word on that spaceport HAS wants to build?

If you come to the ASCE International Conference on Transportation & Development in Houston next year, you might find out.

toxtethogrady · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 32):
Had a similar conversation with a VX rep a few months back and she said basically the same thing, though she implied that Houston wasn't even being considered long term, not enough O&D as you noted.

I have a hard time imagining DAL is a bigger market than HOU, especially if oil prices rebound. Perhaps they don't think Houston is hip enough, although that means they haven't been looking in the right publications.

toxtethogrady · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting iad51fl (Reply 49):
They are starting to peel off, the trim is coming off and just look like crap.

They really need to move to electronic signboards. LEDs basically don't wear out, they have all the colors, they're bright and efficient and they can be changed whenever change is needed.

toxtethogrady · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 54):
And on top of that, how long until NK takes up IAH-ACY?

I saw one on FlightAware, but I think it must have been a charter operation.

toxtethogrady · Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:36 pm

The most obvious missing market is IAH-MAD. IAH can be the perfect gateway for Latin Americans to get to Spain, if the restrictions on in-transit connections are ever lifted.

IAHflyer97 · Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 59):

I have a hard time imagining DAL is a bigger market than HOU, especially if oil prices rebound. Perhaps they don't think Houston is hip enough, although that means they haven't been looking in the right publications.

Houston is getting there, but a 22 year old college kid isn't going to say to his homies "Hey, I wanna do some partying this weekend! Let's go to Houston!" Anytime soon.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 62):

The most obvious missing market is IAH-MAD. IAH can be the perfect gateway for Latin Americans to get to Spain, if the restrictions on in-transit connections are ever lifted.

drerx7 · Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:10 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 63):
Hey, I wanna do some partying this weekend! Let's go to Houston!" Anytime soon.

Regionally yes...nationally no

TWA772LR · Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:19 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 63):
Hey, I wanna do some partying this weekend! Let's go to Houston!" Anytime soon.

They go to San Antonio or Austin or anywhere in between (tubing). They only go to Dallas for Six Flags.

LAXdude1023 · Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:39 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 59):
I have a hard time imagining DAL is a bigger market than HOU, especially if oil prices rebound. Perhaps they don't think Houston is hip enough, although that means they haven't been looking in the right publications.

Whether you can imagine it or not, its 100% true.

Houston is a larger international market than Dallas (4.2 million O&D to 2.7 million O&D).

Dallas, however, is a MUCH larger domestic market than Houston (26 million to 17 million).

Im surprised you think any of this is driven by how hip a city is. Nobody goes to Dallas or Houston because they think they're hip. They are business cities.

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IAHflyer97 · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:22 pm

Buddy of mine posted this video of BR!

http://youtu.be/PC5t7595m8g

Miami · Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:26 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 67):

Saw it like 3 minutes; very cool!

FlyingSicilian · Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:00 pm

Quoting bigb (Reply 57):
Something to keep in mind is that Air Canada operates out of Domestic Terminal A. They have Air Canada lumped in the category with AA, DL, AS, UA while all flights that requires clearance through customs are listed as international for Terminals D and E.

Iknow, that was my point. It is lazy and factually incorrect. I know why they did it; it just annoys me

thomasphoto60 · Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 69):
Iknow, that was my point. It is lazy and factually incorrect. I know why they did it; it just annoys me

If you check HAS' s AIP (Airline Info Page), they show AC at 'D' and still no listing of NH or BR, now this bugs me.

http://www.fly2houston.com/IAH-ariline-info

YoungDon · Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 70):
If you check HAS' s AIP (Airline Info Page), they show AC at 'D' and still no listing of NH or BR, now this bugs me.

IAH-ariline-info" target="_blank">http://www.fly2houston.com/IAH-ariline-info

Not only is AC mislocated, and BR and NH missing, but AV is listed and I'm almost certain they don't serve IAH.

thomasphoto60 · Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting YoungDon (Reply 71):
but AV is listed and I'm almost certain they don't serve IAH.

Technically they do (albeit not BOG), it was Grupo TACA before AV's takeover.

YoungDon · Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 72):

Quoting YoungDon (Reply 71):
but AV is listed and I'm almost certain they don't serve IAH.

Technically they do (albeit not BOG), it was Grupo TACA before AV's takeover.

I had completely forgotten that AV consumed TACA a few years ago. Thanks for the correction!

KPDX · Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:15 am

Hello fellow Houstonians. Plugging myself here, admittedly, but I shoot videos at IAH once in a while. Went out to IAH with a buddy a few days ago. Got the following departures at the end of 15L:

British Airways 747-400

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z4-KQHyA5w&feature=youtu.be

Lufthansa A380-800

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-FnxVq85VU

Air France 777-300ER

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDF1I5LWnVI

Departing out of IAH tomorrow morning on my first 787 ride. I'll be sure to share the take off later at some point.

IAHflyer97 · Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:37 pm

For those of you who aren't fond of the current Houston website, they're taking surveys to make it better. It's on the front page.

http://www.fly2houston.com

thomasphoto60 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:07 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 75):
For those of you who aren't fond of the current Houston website, they're taking surveys to make it better. It's on the front page.

Yep, took it a few hours ago, let's hope they do a major overhaul.

Okcflyer · Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:20 am

Although it's expected, it never ceases to amaze me how much more quickly the 77W climbs out compared to the A380 and especially the 744. Those quads are slow climbers. I guess another way of looking at it is the twins are fast climbers...when both engines are working.

Does anyone have an update on construction for new B North? What's the timeline? Any difficulties encountered yet? Would love to find a blog or something from someone who's involved with the project. Form Civil engineer days come back to me thinking about it.

IAHflyer97 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:34 am

Quoting OKCFlyer (Reply 77):
Does anyone have an update on construction for new B North? What's the timeline? Any difficulties encountered yet? Would love to find a blog or something from someone who's involved with the project. Form Civil engineer days come back to me thinking about it.

As of right now, C North is currently in its construction phase. After that is complete, I believe B North and the D renovations will take place simultaneously. The construction is taking place over the next 6 years, but I think it will be finished before that. 6 years just seems like way more than enough time.

Okcflyer · Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:36 am

I met C North. Thanks for the correction.

TWA772LR · Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:20 am

I'd like to see the return of OGG service from IAH.

I've heard HA was looking at Houston as recent as a year ago. Any word on that?

IAHflyer97 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:24 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 80):

I'd like to see the return of OGG service from IAH.

How would it be operated? 752? 763?

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 80):
I've heard HA was looking at Houston as recent as a year ago. Any word on that?

Other than what you've told us, I've never heard anything on it.

Facts aside, I too would like to see HA. Makes me wonder which terminal they would use. A can technically handle wide bodies (I've seen 788 and 772 gates at A South), but wouldn't D be more of natural fit?

thomasphoto60 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:47 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 81):
Other than what you've told us, I've never heard anything on it.

First I've heard of it, would be nice, but not holding my breath.

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TWA772LR · Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:54 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 81):

764 if they still have the Pacific config. 752 if it has the legs but those are kinda premium heavy, maybe a wingletted sUA 752 can make it.

You can probably squeeze in a 763 at A1. Just leave A2 empty and A3 is shuttered anyway.

LAXdude1023 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 80):
I've heard HA was looking at Houston as recent as a year ago. Any word on that?

Realistically, what would HA hope to gain at IAH?

IAH-Hawaii isnt especailly big and their premium product wont attract much of any travelers between the South Pacific and IAH (especially with NZ coming on board).

If HA was looking at expanding in the 48, they would be best looking at markets like DEN or ORD which are larger markets to Hawaii than IAH.

IAHflyer97 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:05 pm

TAP Portugal has gone on record saying they want to start 10 new U.S. Routes. IAH is kind of a no brainer on the one.

LAXdude1023 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 85):
TAP Portugal has gone on record saying they want to start 10 new U.S. Routes. IAH is kind of a no brainer on the one.

The attraction with IAH for TP would be the IAH-LAD market.

What other connection flows would TP be interested in at IAH? Personally, I think a connection to BRU would be far more valuble than one to LIS for IAH given the Africa connections available at BRU.

IAHflyer97 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 86):
What other connection flows would TP be interested in at IAH? Personally, I think a connection to BRU would be far more valuble than one to LIS for IAH given the Africa connections available at BRU.

Connections throughout Europe would probably help. Plus, you have the South American feed on the IAH side which will probably do wonders for the flight if they do decide to include IAH in this expansion.

I agree that BRU would be a better choice. Could both coexist though?

LAXdude1023 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 87):
Connections throughout Europe would probably help. Plus, you have the South American feed on the IAH side which will probably do wonders for the flight if they do decide to include IAH in this expansion.

I agree that BRU would be a better choice. Could both coexist though?

I think TP going over well in Houston is a stretch. TP doesnt need Houston's Latin American connections since the connections between LIS and Central America are few. TP already has an extensive network in Brazil which is, by far, where that market is centered. TP is already connected to PTY which offers a much better geographic positioning for any flight to Latin America outside Mexico.

On the other hand, a connection to BRU offers a lot of African connections that currently require a double connection.

The later sounds a lot better to me.

Avionics09 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:00 pm

For Africa bound traffic I think CMN would be a good contender as it offers over 33 onward connections into Africa and more importantly to Houston, to the petrol industry eg. Luanda, Lagos etc. Casablanca's geographical location is very favorable for US-Africa bound traffic. However, if RAM were ever to open a direct line to Texas it would be DFW, simply because it's AA's hub, in light of speculation that the carrier at some point might join the Oneworld Alliance.

thomasphoto60 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 88):
On the other hand, a connection to BRU offers a lot of African connections that currently require a double connection.

The later sounds a lot better to me.

So, hypothectically speaking, if a BRU service were to be explored, who do you believe would be on the best position to launch such a service, SN or UA?

IAHflyer97 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:38 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 90):

So, hypothectically speaking, if a BRU service were to be explored, who do you believe would be on the best position to launch such a service, SN or UA?

I have a good feeling that UA isn't going to do it. And I don't think SN has the equipment right now. If they did, I'd say SN is the more likely one of the two.

triley1057 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:51 pm

I think if there were to be more connections between IAH and Europe, it would be either Zurich or Brussels. Maybe MAD as a long shot. This is just my opinion though and I am frequently surprised at new IAH route announcements.

I frequently travel to IAH and would welcome new competition! I avoid UA and mostly rotate between KL and BA.

thomasphoto60 · Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting triley1057 (Reply 92):
MAD as a long shot. This is just my opinion though and I am frequently surprised at new IAH route announcements.

I've lived in Houston off and on for 20 years and have heard of a potential MAD service with either IB or CO for all those years, so far nada, honestly, I don't see it happening. Agreed however on ZRH or BRU. As you suggested, IAH has a history of springing surprises, so stayed tuned...

COflyerBOS · Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:44 am

I am off to LHR this weekend. Been loyal to BA the last few trips but holy moly their biz fares were triple United's so I am taking my first 788 trip on UA instead.

IAHflyer97 · Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 93):
I've lived in Houston off and on for 20 years and have heard of a potential MAD service with either IB or CO for all those years, so far nada, honestly, I don't see it happening. Agreed however on ZRH or BRU. As you suggested, IAH has a history of springing surprises, so stayed tuned...

Madrid would kill it up front. Oil traffic would be the obvious market, but there are also people down south that can go out to Spain. UA needs to jump on that one.

LAXdude1023 · Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 95):
Madrid would kill it up front. Oil traffic would be the obvious market, but there are also people down south that can go out to Spain. UA needs to jump on that one

Sorry sir, but not at all.

MAD is not an oil destination and IAH-MAD is not a large market. Heck, DFW-MAD is well over twice the size of IAH-MAD.

IAHflyer97 · Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 96):

Sorry sir, but not at all.

MAD is not an oil destination and IAH-MAD is not a large market. Heck, DFW-MAD is well over twice the size of IAH-MAD.

Seriously?

I got family in the industry and they send people out to Madrid all the time. I guess that doesn't necessarily tell a very good story. Oops...

LAXdude1023 · Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 97):
Seriously?

I got family in the industry and they send people out to Madrid all the time. I guess that doesn't necessarily tell a very good story. Oops...

Yeah, MAD isnt an oil city to the degree that a flight from IAH would make that much sense. Its more financial a city.

If we were talking about connecting IAH with more oil based cities, there is still ABZ. You could easily fill a BBJ between the two. But BA will never do it. IAH-LHR does quite well for BA because of both the LHR traffic and the beyond traffic to ABZ. A BBJ to ABZ will dilute that.

For Norway, I wish they would have gone with a 330 to OSL instead, but I can see why. SVG is the oil center of Norway.

Oilwise, IAH is well connected to the main cities in Europe (LHR for BP, ABZ connections, etc., CDG for Schlumberger, AMS for Shell, MOW, SVG for North Sea platforms, etc.).

In Asia, IAH-PVG would be nice for a 787.

yellowtail · Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 87):
Connections throughout Europe would probably help. Plus, you have the South American feed on the IAH side which will probably do wonders for the flight if they do decide to include IAH in this expansion.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 98):
IAH-LHR does quite well

Nicely is probably an understatement.

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