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Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 98):

As far as ABZ is concerned, there is also a lot of connecting traffic on SK to SVG.

With the Russian economy in the doldrums, and getting worse, I wonder if SQ will still serve SIN-DME-IAH. Perhaps SIN-PVG/HKG-IAH?
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Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 100):
With the Russian economy in the doldrums, and getting worse, I wonder if SQ will still serve SIN-DME-IAH. Perhaps SIN-PVG/HKG-IAH?


SQ has worked too hard in Houston to just flat out leave. Once oil goes back up, I'd imagine it would help all parts of their current flight. If not, PVG would work pretty nicely as a stopover.
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Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 101):
SQ has worked too hard in Houston to just flat out leave. Once oil goes back up, I'd imagine it would help all parts of their current flight. If not, PVG would work pretty nicely as a stopover.

Despite my cynical views when this flight first launched, almost 7 years ago, (wow....has it really been that long..?) SQ has put a lot into making this route work, I don't see them abandoning the service anytime soon, they'll tough it out.

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Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:50 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 101):
SQ has worked too hard in Houston to just flat out leave. Once oil goes back up, I'd imagine it would help all parts of their current flight. If not, PVG would work pretty nicely as a stopover.

SQ couldn't fly IAH-PVG-SIN if they wanted to. Bilateral issues...
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Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:26 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 103):

SQ couldn't fly IAH-PVG-SIN if they wanted to. Bilateral issues.

Okay...

What's a good plan B for them? ZRH? ICN?
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Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:16 am

Was heading south on I-45 earlier and I saw an Air New Zealand billboard up. Any other areas repping NZ at all?
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Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:25 pm

Looks like KE is blinking first. According to the OAG thread they are reducing frequencies starting September.. Looks to be to 5 or 4 times a week
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Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:55 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
Looks like KE is blinking first. According to the OAG thread they are reducing frequencies starting September.. Looks to be to 5 or 4 times a week

As some here predicted, not surprised. Hopefully they'll will stick it out, hate to loose that Sky Blue beauty, really dresses up the ramp during the AM hours.
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:53 am

KE had previously cut DFW to 4 times a week, so perhaps not a surprise in the off-season. Probably back to 6 or 7 next summer.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:11 pm

How's this for intrigue? United just bought itself an investment-grade piece of Azul. Bottom line is IAH-VCP flights on Azul no longer seem so far-fetched.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...azul-m-a-ual-idUSKBN0P62CJ20150626
 
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Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 109):
How's this for intrigue? United just bought itself an investment-grade piece of Azul. Bottom line is IAH-VCP flights on Azul no longer seem so far-fetched.

Been reading this on another thread, indeed, very interesting, should be interesting to see what comes to pass. I believe that IAH has not see a South American carrier since VIASA left in the 90s.
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:01 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 108):


KE had previously cut DFW to 4 times a week, so perhaps not a surprise in the off-season. Probably back to 6 or 7 next summer.


That's probably what it will be. I think PEK, MUC and LOS also go down a couple frequencies during the winter.

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 109):
How's this for intrigue? United just bought itself an investment-grade piece of Azul. Bottom line is IAH-VCP flights on Azul no longer seem so far-fetched.

It'd be nice to see another A330 in H-Town, wouldn't it
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 111):
It'd be nice to see another A330 in H-Town, wouldn't it

Right now we don't have any.
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:32 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 112):

Right now we don't have any.


Exactly. Who was the last? It was AF almost 10 years ago, right?
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Yep...I think they were the only one too.
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I"d be surprised if Azul would start out with an A330 if an A320 can fly the distance.
 
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:05 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 111):
I think PEK, MUC and LOS also go down a couple frequencies during the winter.

I don't see that happening at all. PEK is just way to important of a city as far as the world is concerned not to be connected to the world's oil capital, plus CA codeshares heavily with UA in IAH.

MUC is LHs second fortress hub. Perhaps a downgauge in aircraft like FRA saw last year but not frequency.

And LOS, I'm gonna play the oil card on this one. All the TATL airlines in D have a lot of traffic to Nigeria, every day. UA doesn't need to reduce this at all.

I think another Africa route could do well out of IAH, perhaps CAI or even ACC. CAI has the best chance even with a 777, with the sCO premium cabin that's not quite as big as sUAs, but also has a big Y cabin for the VFR and connecting traffic, and of course cargo. ACC would probably be better off with a 788.

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Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:21 pm

Traffic highlights for IAH in May-2015:

Passenger numbers: 3.7 million, +2.8% year-year;
- Domestic: 2.8 million, +3.3%;
- International: 865,595, +1.1%;

Cargo volume: 35,239 tonnes, -4.1%;
- Freight: 32,283, -5.9%;
- Mail: 2956, +20.1%;

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Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:00 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 116):

I don't see that happening at all. PEK is just way to important of a city as far as the world is concerned not to be connected to the world's oil capital, plus CA codeshares heavily with UA in IAH.

MUC is LHs second fortress hub. Perhaps a downgauge in aircraft like FRA saw last year but not frequency.

And LOS, I'm gonna play the oil card on this one. All the TATL airlines in D have a lot of traffic to Nigeria, every day. UA doesn't need to reduce this at all.


I'm just going by what I saw in the OAG threads. I think all 3 of those went down to 5x.

Quoting Miami (Reply 117):
Traffic highlights for IAH in May-2015:

Passenger numbers: 3.7 million, +2.8% year-year;
- Domestic: 2.8 million, +3.3%;
- International: 865,595, +1.1%;


Thanks! Glad international is still going up a little bit.
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Any idea why freight is down?
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:10 am

Quoting OKCFlyer (Reply 119):
Any idea why freight is down?














I'd guess lower oil prices affected the amount of heavy equipment going out for upstream work. Just a hunch.
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:13 am

Can I rant here for a minute?

I have an issue with AC's ops at IAH. CR9"s to YYC and YYZ. I feel like a route as big as IAH-YYC should see mainline service on AC. I understand that UA and soon to be WS will have 737's, but why can't AC put an A319, 20 or 21 on IAH? With UA being an alliance partner, I see no issue with it.

Anyway, I'm sorry for my awkward rant. Just wanted to spit that out real quick.
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:29 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 121):

I'll see your rant and raise you YUL.

Seriously, YUL is probably IAHs largest North American hole. It's been on and off through out the years and the last go was with the E170s. Maybe the E175s could make it work this time.
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 122):

UA flies IAH YUL. It's not a big market, so the 175 is just fine.
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:54 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 121):
I have an issue with AC's ops at IAH. CR9"s to YYC and YYZ. I feel like a route as big as IAH-YYC should see mainline service on AC. I understand that UA and soon to be WS will have 737's, but why can't AC put an A319, 20 or 21 on IAH? With UA being an alliance partner, I see no issue with it.

I have to agree. I rode an AC CR9 YYC-IAH when my UA flight got cancelled and it was not a pleasant experience for such a long ride....
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:09 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 124):
I have to agree. I rode an AC CR9 YYC-IAH when my UA flight got cancelled and it was not a pleasant experience for such a long ride....


Agreed, did a trip to YYZ a few months back on AC's CRJ, hopefully never again.
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:26 pm

It has to be distinguished though.

IAH-YYC is MASSIVE! One of the single biggest US-Canada markets.

IAH-YYZ and IAH-YEG are also quite large.

IAH-YUL/YVR are not that big at all relative to how big Houston actually is.
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Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 126):

It has to be distinguished though.

IAH-YYC is MASSIVE! One of the single biggest US-Canada markets.

IAH-YYZ and IAH-YEG are also quite large.

IAH-YUL/YVR are not that big at all relative to how big Houston actually is.


IAH YYC by UA is also helped by the connecting traffic to and from places like RTB, BZE, PTY. those are big YYC markets. But if it so massive why does AC only have a CR9 on it.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:09 am

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 127):
But if it so massive why does AC only have a CR9 on it.

Well, in total at peak its 6 flights between the 2 carriers. Then WestJet is starting IAH-YYC also. At times the route is operated by 739s and has had a 752 on the route before as well. My guess is yield management at AC for using the CRA.
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 127):
IAH YYC by UA is also helped by the connecting traffic to and from places like RTB, BZE, PTY. those are big YYC markets. But if it so massive why does AC only have a CR9 on it.

No, they actually aren't. Those are highly seasonal vacation destinations from YYC. This time of year, you couldn't fill 1/3 of a Sabb 340 from YYC to any one of those destinations.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:24 am

So here's a question for y'all.

Houston is an energy and medicine city with a financial presence. Obviously not enough to warrant a flight to, let's say, HKG. How much more of a financial presence would it take for Houston to be able to sustain flights to financial centers around the world without necessarily having to have alliance ties?
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 129):
No, they actually aren't. Those are highly seasonal vacation destinations from YYC. This time of year, you couldn't fill 1/3 of a Sabb 340 from YYC to any one of those destinations.

Sorry, That is just plain wrong. If WS were to fly YYC-PTY they would have no problem filling that flight year round. Yes, yields would be not so great during the summer (that is why WS flies E to W during that period), but to say the demand is not there is not true.

It is also well known that UA times its YEG and YYC flight, year round, specifically for connections to RTB, BZE, LIR, SJO and GUA.

I was on BZE-IAH last week...and a large percentage of the plane was going to Canada. They were all raising hell about the immigration lines at IAH. Anecdotal yes, but I see it on almost every Central America - IAH/DFW flight I am on.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:14 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 131):

No it's not plain wrong. I've seen the numbers.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:33 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 130):

Houston isn't a finance city so it's hard to say. IAH does serve finance cities like GRU, LHR, CDG, and FRA, but LHR and CDG have a huge oil and gas component to them.

Most markets need a certain volume or fare component to gain nonstop service short of alliance ties. When you're looking at finance cities that don't have service to IAH, you're talking about HKG, SYD, And JNB. Not terribly likely in the short term but I wouldn't rule out SA in the long run IF they can get their house in order.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 126):
IAH-YYC is MASSIVE! One of the single biggest US-Canada markets.

It is, IIRC, one of the few carve out routes from the ATI; Thus UA and AC cannot coordinate on the it correct?
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 132):
No it's not plain wrong. I've seen the numbers.

A yes the holy grail PDEW numbers....which actually say very very little when you put it into context.
I think of quite a few routes that if the PDEW were to be believed would have never come into fruition.

I just took a look at some of the figures.....YYC-BZE could support a 3Xweekly without any stimulation at all right now.
YYC-PTY 5X....

When holding out PDEW one must always look at what the PDEW doesn't tell you.......

But alas this is a Houston thread not a PDEW thread.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 135):
I just took a look at some of the figures.....YYC-BZE could support a 3Xweekly without any stimulation at all right now.
YYC-PTY 5X....

Im sorry, but thats ridiculous. Where is it going to pull the traffic from on a year round basis? Certainly not VFR. There also aren't people from YYC running to vacation to any of those places May through October.
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 136):

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 135):
I just took a look at some of the figures.....YYC-BZE could support a 3Xweekly without any stimulation at all right now.
YYC-PTY 5X....

Im sorry, but thats ridiculous. Where is it going to pull the traffic from on a year round basis? Certainly not VFR. There also aren't people from YYC running to vacation to any of those places May through October.


Call it what you must.

That is what I meant by saying PDEW tells very little of the story and why consultants make a lot of money working with route planning departments and airports. the business case is so much more than raw data.

Do you know how many Canadians have second homes/ condos in PTY?
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:47 pm

Speaking of PDEW...what are the highest pdew without nonstop service to Houston?
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Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:09 pm

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 138):
SGN, BOM, MNL, DEL, ABZ, and OSL in that order.

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Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 139):
SGN, BOM, MNL, DEL, ABZ, and OSL in that order.

What are the odds of any of those actually happening?
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 140):

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 139):
SGN, BOM, MNL, DEL, ABZ, and OSL in that order.

What are the odds of any of those actually happening?

ABZ could probably support a BBJ like SVG. OSL will probably happen in the next few years with Star buddy SK. And I would love to see IAH-BOM.
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:37 am

Hey LAXdude, may I ask where you get your information? I'm not doubting you, I'd just like to see some of these statistics if they're available for public reading.
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Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 142):

Hey LAXdude, may I ask where you get your information? I'm not doubting you, I'd just like to see some of these statistics if they're available for public reading.

Numbers are from IATA. They aren't available to the public.
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:15 am

TK will add three more flights to IAD and make 10 flights per week from next March...

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Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:34 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 144):
TK will add three more flights to IAD and make 10 flights per week from next March...

Do you mean IAH (Houston) or IAD (Washington D.C.)? If you mean IAD, wrong thread, this is a Houston oriented thread.
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:11 pm

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 130):

I think the biggest city which Houston does not have nonstop service is to HKG. CX can get great connecting traffic to most of China, SE Asia, India.
CX should look at Houston for the next expansion.
 
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:26 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 146):
I think the biggest city which Houston does not have nonstop service is to HKG. CX can get great connecting traffic to most of China, SE Asia, India.
CX should look at Houston for the next expansion.

The size of the city is irrelevant. IAH-HKG is a small local market and CX has no interest in IAH.
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:52 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 146):

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 130):

I think the biggest city which Houston does not have nonstop service is to HKG. CX can get great connecting traffic to most of China, SE Asia, India.
CX should look at Houston for the next expansion.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 147):
The size of the city is irrelevant. IAH-HKG is a small local market and CX has no interest in IAH.

Agreed
Guys yall keep bringing up IAH-HKG in every IAH thread lol...there is no reason this would happen. CX is a strong OneWorld member, with AA serving DFW-HKG there is zero need to serve IAH. CX long haul fleet is 77W - a large plane to fill as well as tie up I'm assuming at least 3 frames for a low PDEW route. Connections would only be only on one side and now with IAH having service from SQ, BR, NH, CA, UA, and KE to Asia...what would CX bring to the table? I'm hoping that the existing players can exist in the field - not to mention EK and QR offering up some Asian connections as well.
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Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 145):

Sorry my oversight, got messed up between IAH and IAD.

The new frequencies by TK are to IAD, just checked....

However, TK is quite happy with IAH and IST-ATL to commence in May 2016

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