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taco45
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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:59 pm

It's been obvious (if you're truly pay attention) for quite some time now, but the a person involved in the transaction has indicated that Frontier will merge with Spirit before the year end or at the latest Q1 2016. Frontier Airlines will be the name and the tails will survive.

As we all know, nothing is certain until an announcement has been made and/or you read about in the USA Today.

[Edited 2015-06-12 12:55:17]
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:03 pm

Is this a fact with a credible source or something you've cooked up on your own?
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:04 pm

To whom? Source actual proof!
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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:24 pm

I love F9's new livery, so I would hope that would survive.

Perhaps this rumor explains why NK isn't in any hurry to repaint their own jets
in the new "Yellow Submarine" livery   
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:30 pm

If they merge, F9 management will not survive and if the NK management had to continue the F9 tails expect the revisions to be in the following style.
 
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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:36 pm

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
It's been obvious for quite some time now

Why is it obvious with no source to back up your position.
 
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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:52 pm

It'd be great if the title of this thread had some words to it beyond two nouns.
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 3):
Perhaps this rumor explains why NK isn't in any hurry to repaint their own jets
in the new "Yellow Submarine" livery   

Or it could be that NK is the last airline in America that would EVER pull a plane from service just to paint it.

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
It's been obvious for quite some time now, but the word is Frontier will merge with Spirit before the year end or at the latest Q1 2016. Frontier Airlines will be the name and the tails will survive.

I don't see how merging with or buying F9 benefits NK. On that same note, I don't see how or why the F9 brand survives.
 
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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 3):

I love F9's new livery, so I would hope that would survive.

Perhaps this rumor explains why NK isn't in any hurry to repaint their own jets
in the new "Yellow Submarine" livery   


All new deliveries (starting with 642NK which arrived this month) will be yellow. 7 planes are due to be repainted this year
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
It's been obvious (if you're truly pay attention) for quite some time now, but the a person involved in the transaction has indicated that Frontier will merge with Spirit before the year end or at the latest Q1 2016. Frontier Airlines will be the name and the tails will survive.

You have eaten too many "tacos"...........

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Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
It's been obvious (if you're truly pay attention) for quite some time now, but the a person involved in the transaction has indicated that Frontier will merge with Spirit before the year end or at the latest Q1 2016.

If you've really, truly been saying attention, then it isn't obvious at all.

This isn't about aircraft or about route maps, or similar service levels - this is about money.

Frontier made $127 million last year and if Indigo can keep that up - and exceed it - then they stand to make a freakin' fortune when they take Frontier public with an IPO.

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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:17 pm

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 5):
Quoting mariner (Reply 10):

This smells of stock manipulation. Agree that an IPO is the best way to make money for Indigo. Any merger would have to be after that.

Additionally if they were already going to buy them they wouldn't wait months for no reason.
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
This smells of stock manipulation.

There's no stock to manipulate, only that held by Indigo.

An IPO is the traditional way for venture capitalists (which Indigo is) to make money.

It's how Indigo and Oaktree made their money from Spirit, for example.

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Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:23 pm

This is very vague/badly written and does feel like stock manipulation. I agree they would be a good fit but when/if that happens is currently unknown.

[Edited 2015-06-12 13:25:27]
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):

Spirit Airlines stock exists and any credibility to this would likely send it flying, which wouldn't be a bad thing considering how much it has fallen recently.
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 13):
This is very vague/badly written and does feel like stock manipulation.

Again, there is no Frontier stock to manipulate, except that held by Indigo.

Spirit stock? A rumor as vague as this one, from an unidentified source, isn't going to boost the Spirit stock which is already at $64.

mariner

[Edited 2015-06-12 13:37:42]
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Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:59 pm

Didnt we just have a thread or two on this?

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
but the a person involved in the transaction has indicated that Frontier will merge with Spirit before the year end or at the latest Q1 2016.

Obviously I have not been paying too much attention than, to whom are you referring?

BTW, I would not be against this whatsoever
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:53 pm

I don't think they will merge. Sure, they are very similar airlines now that Indigo sold NK and bought F9, but a merger wouldn't do much to help either of their strategies.

With that said, I would love to see a merger happen as long as they take those cute animals out back and put a shotgun to them. I was a loyal F9 flyer for years and loved flying them ex-DEN, but they are an embarrassment these days, and they are no longer the same airline. I refuse to fly F9 because of what they've become. It's not like they're ever any cheaper than UA or WN ex-DEN anyway once you consider all the fees. Even that "new" livery looks botched with too much going on. Better call the airline for what it is instead of pretending that it's the great airline it used to be.
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting intotheair (Reply 17):
Better call the airline for what it is instead of pretending that it's the great airline it used to be.

You mean call it a profitable airline, rather than the money pit it sued to be?

Denver voted with its wallet.

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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:57 pm

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
It's been obvious (if you're truly pay attention) for quite some time now, but the a person involved in the transaction has indicated that Frontier will merge with Spirit before the year end or at the latest Q1 2016.

[Edited 2015-06-12 12:55:17]

Any person involved with this hypothetical merger would be under strict non-disclosure agreements so I doubt whoever you are talking to is that deeply involved.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:56 am

When will NK Merge With F9 is the new 'when will DL Buy AS'.

Can I see it happening? Of course. Do I see it happening before the US economy tanks or oil blows past $100 p/bbl? Not really.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:45 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 3):
Perhaps this rumor explains why NK isn't in any hurry to repaint their own jets
in the new "Yellow Submarine" livery

No, they stopped because the vendor painting in RME did such a crappy job they needed to be painted somewhere else.
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:39 am

I'm surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the usual "will WN acquire NK and/or F9" nonsense yet to tag on with this. I'm kind of new to this forum and the number of posts dedicated to topics such as these nonsensical mergers, the US3 acquiring the A380 and Boeing restarting the 757 production line is astounding to say the least. I understand that while this sort of thing might be fun to talk about, these posts based on rampant speculation and wild claims seem to crop up weekly. Sorry to rant and as somebody relatively new, I'm not sure this complaint is in line, but for the most part, I really love this forum so I might be nitpicking.
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
There's no stock to manipulate, only that held by Indigo.
Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 14):
Spirit Airlines stock exists
Quoting mariner (Reply 15):
Spirit stock? A rumor as vague as this one, from an unidentified source, isn't going to boost the Spirit stock which is already at $64.

I was referring to NK stock. I am aware that F9 is not traded.  

This is not a vague rumor. It has been repeated over and over again. It is still not true, IMHO.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:07 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
This is not a vague rumor. It has been repeated over and over again. It is still not true, IMHO.

We agree on one thing - it's unlikely.

But it doesn't matter how many times it is repeated, until it is from a reasonably reliable source it is still vague, a pipe dream of merger junkies.

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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:01 am

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):
It's been obvious (if you're truly pay attention)

F9 and NK is obvious? OMG! I thought the obvious merger was AS and _____ (Insert name of airline here).
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:06 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 25):

I was told by someone today on an investor forum that the merger that makes the most sense is Spirit-Hawaiian so they can reach international markets. Made me laugh
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:16 am

What does F9 have to offer in any merger? Maybe a handful of trained pilots, and that's it. They don't own any airplanes. They don't have any employees. They don't have strong brand recognition. Any airline can fly any route these days without government agency approval. So what value does F9 bring to anyone?
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:03 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
You mean call it a profitable airline, rather than the money pit it sued to be?

Denver voted with its wallet.

mariner

Fair enough, as long as we're talking about two different things: branding/passenger experience and profitability. And I guess Denverites are voting with their wallets if F9 is retreating from its home territory. Perhaps that's a sign that it's not all about cost all the time anyway?
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:28 am

Quoting intotheair (Reply 28):
Fair enough, as long as we're talking about two different things: branding/passenger experience and profitability.

Well, not really.

No matter how "lovely" Frontier may have been, it could not go on losing money, and if it had not been for the decision to go ULCC - and divest the airline - the Board of Republic would have shut it down.

Quoting intotheair (Reply 28):
And I guess Denverites are voting with their wallets if F9 is retreating from its home territory. Perhaps that's a sign that it's not all about cost all the time anyway?

I meant that Denverites voted with the their wallets when Frontier was still "lovely" - and Southwest came to town. The hometown airline didn't mean very much in the face of the Southwest onslaught.

So now profitable Frontier is doing what it should have done years ago:

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...ver-story-shrinking-in-denver.html

"Shrinking in Denver, Frontier Airlines is growing elsewhere

Everyone in Colorado seems to know about the massive cutback in flights Frontier Airlines has made from Denver International Airport over the past year.

What is less well known, however, is that the company has ramped up its service by even greater magnitudes from almost all of its other focus airports across the country."


The reasons are obvious:

"Biffle insisted that Frontier is not abandoning Denver. Indeed, he said, planes are flying at higher capacity from the city than ever before. But after nine years in which the company has been in a bidding war with United Airlines and Southwest Airlines for passengers in one of the most competitive airports in the country, it had to find other markets to survive, he said."

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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:00 pm

Quoting tb727 (Reply 21):

Happens when you go for cheapest option all the time........
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:13 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 24):
We agree on one thing - it's unlikely.

But it doesn't matter how many times it is repeated, until it is from a reasonably reliable source it is still vague, a pipe dream of merger junkies.

But these are exactly the type of rumor-mongering that makes a stock (NK) move. That's what this is about.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:10 pm

Theres definitely some credibility to the OP if you just go looking for it.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_2306635...h-have-spirit-airlines-connections

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...-owner-hints-at-mergers-ahead.html

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industrie...ed-by-former-spirit-airlines-exec/

In addition, Spirit was supposed to switch all flights from FLL over to MIA. However, soon after this was announced the plan was put on hold, and F9 entered the market out of nowhere.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article1962544.html

Incase you where wondering what the merger would look like, here you go:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3188...airlines-and-frontier-merger-ahead

(Some body else posted this when the same subject was brought up like a month ago)

I'm assuming all that all FLL flights will be moved to MIA, at least hopefully for a lot of people who don't like driving up to FLL.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:15 pm

Hey guys,

Anyone else notice how the OP hasn't said a word since his original post? Anyone else think that may be he was just trolling for reaction/speculation?
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting azstar (Reply 27):
Maybe a handful of trained pilots, and that's it...They don't have any employees.

I wonder if their FA's know that. Huh.
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting taco45 (Thread starter):

I totally believe the guy who cooked up a rumor and has contributed exactly 2 posts to this forum. Seems legit.
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:24 pm

Quoting B727FA (Reply 34):
I wonder if their FA's know that. Huh.

Unfortunately, most American companies, especially airlines, view employees as liabilities rather than assets. Flight attendants are easily replaced.
 
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 31):
ut these are exactly the type of rumor-mongering that makes a stock (NK) move. That's what this is about.

Maybe, or someone's desperate attempt to do so. Never say never.

But when I was playing the stock market in the US, rumours needed to be better sourced than this one. This might move penny stocks, but SAVE ain't a penny stock.

As ItalianFlyer said in an earlier post, this one's a perennial - it's only been three months since the last discussion:

Thoughts Of An NK-F9 Merger? (by globalflyer Mar 16 2015 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=6344182&searchid=6344182&s=NK+F9#ID6344182

None of which is to say it won't ever happen, but not until after the IPO.

mariner

[Edited 2015-06-13 11:55:03]
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 33):
Hey guys,

Anyone else notice how the OP hasn't said a word since his original post? Anyone else think that may be he was just trolling for reaction/speculation?

yup! where´s the OP to add value to this "interesting dialogue..."
nuff sayed me thinks....!        
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RE: Potential F9/NK Merger?

Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:55 pm

This again? Like I've stated in a previous thread regarding this topic, there's no way such a merger would be allowed nowadays.

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