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AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:22 am

Here's AA:
- This data is for 6/18/15
-I decided to include Boston in this since daily flights would be over 100.
-Interesting how ORD is one of if not the largest US spoke, yet AA's mainline is limited compared to it's other hubs. E75 flights also down, anyone know why?
-Already nearing 100 CR9 departures from DFW, still with a large quantity of MD-80s.
-LAX mainline just 25 more than UA
-JFK is still under 100 daily departures. With US base in NYC maybe a few new transcons are in order to supplement LGA.
-MIA has combined 280 mainline departure per day! Trails CLT for the number two by movements, but with 23 767 departures per day its probably ahead in terms of mainline capacity. Amazing operation there.
-PHX seems to be going strong despite nay sayers. Personally, it seems that without this hub they would leave a big gap in the region. Plus, if it were reduced to a focus operation, Southwest would mop the floor with them in terms of frequencies and destinations.

DFW:
77W: 3
77E: 9
788: 4
763: 9
752: 18
A321: 42
737-800: 165
M80: 209
A319: 29
CR9: 88
CR7: 27
CR2: 43
ER4: 175
ERD: 12
Mainline: 488
Regional: 345
Total: 833

CLT:
333: 5
332: 4
752: 3
A321: 121
738: 11
A320: 43
A319: 105
E75: 23
E70: 3
CR9: 102
CR7: 42
CR2: 130
Mainline: 292
Regional: 365
Total: 657

MIA:
77W: 4
77E: 9
763: 23
752: 33
A321: 14
738: 160
A320: 3
A319: 34
E75: 42
ER4: 18
Mainline: 280
Regional: 60
Total: 340

ORD:
77E: 5
788: 2
763: 9
752: 3
A321: 14
738: 107
A320: 2
M80: 46
A319: 1
Mainline: 189
Regional: 304
Total: 493

PHL:
333: 5
332: 9
763: 1
752: 17
A321: 46
738: 11
A320: 21
A319: 27
E90: 26
E75: 64
E70: 14
CR9: 6
CR2: 138
DH1: 84
Mainline: 175
Regional: 309
Total: 484

PHX:
752: 10
A321: 90
738: 8
A320: 49
A319: 48
CR9: 61
CR2: 38
Mainline: 205
Regional: 99
Total: 304

LAX:
77W: 2
77E: 5
763: 3
752: 18
A321: 36
738: 48
M80: 3
A319: 13
E75: 12
CR9: 16
CR7: 1
CR2: 41
Mainline: 128
Regional: 70
Total: 198

JFK:
77W: 4
77E: 1
763: 8
752: 9
A321: 28
738: 23
A320: 2
E75: 7
ER4: 8
ERD: 9
Mainline: 75
Regional: 24
Total: 99

DCA:
A321: 3
738: 28
A320: 3
A319: 42
E90: 15
E75: 33
E70: 41
ER4: 1
CR2: 86
DH1: 2
Mainline: 91
Regional: 163
Total: 254

LGA:
A321: 7
738: 43
A320: 1
A319: 3
E90: 31
E75: 4
E70: 2
CR9: 1
CR7: 32
CR2: 24
ER4: 10
ERD: 10
Mainline: 85
Regional: 85
Total: 170

BOS:
752: 4
A321: 10
738: 28
A320: 6
A319: 18
E90: 27
E75:3
E70: 5
CR2: 9
DH1: 1
Mainline: 93
Regional: 18
Total: 111

[Edited 2015-06-17 17:31:38]
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:47 am

I'm liking the amount PHL's having this summer  
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:25 am

PHL gets a nice variety... I never realized how many props we have! What is the 763 flight? The first sign of mixing the fleets I'm guessing.

Love these threads!
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:30 am

DFW is down to 209 MD80 departures...that's sad. Those are great planes.

Quoting ams747757 (Reply 2):
What is the 763 flight?

I think that is a MIA flight.

[Edited 2015-06-17 18:32:29]
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:30 am

AA only has 189 mainline flights out of ORD? It just seems like they have more than that maybe it just the increase in E170/75's but to me it just feels like there are more mainline flights out of ORD on AA.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:33 am

Seems odd. Is US ending DH8 service out of CLT?
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:38 am

Where's all the Dash flying in CLT?
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:55 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see down the road MIA will have more seat miles than DFW the growth out of MIA is crazy....
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:02 am

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 7):

CAPA had an article today showing MIA ASM at ~67.3% that of DFW, so that's a good 50% growth before they'll crossover.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:20 am

Interesting, didn't know CLT was such a large operation
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
MIA:
77W: 4

Where are the 4 going? I know LHR and GRU are those both 2x daily on the 77W now?
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:09 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):

3 daily to GRU and one daily to LHR

Quoting washingtonflyer (Reply 5):
Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 6):

Shoot, sorry everyone. It's 43 DH3 flights. I knew I was missing something.

Quoting jayunited (Reply 4):

Yep. I saw a timetable of July 2000 and it was 300 mainline flights per day, not including whatever US had. And unfortunately AA is reducing the mainline fleet, so there is definitely no increase in mainline frequencies. There are more Ejets, but I recall reading on this site that there would be 100+, but that isn't the case.
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-creep-up-the-cycle-returns-229494
This is a great article regarding capacity. AA is at 43,000 departing seats from ORD. I bet PHL will soon pass ORD to be the fourth largest hub.
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:13 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 11):

If there's the "renewed focus" of ORD that the post merger management is claiming, I'm not seeing the evidence. Even last summer I think ORD was maybe 520 flights including US.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
A321: 121

The A321 count always amazes me when I see the CLT tally. That's crazy.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 12):
Shoot, sorry everyone. It's 43 DH3 flights. I knew I was missing something.

So does that mean CLTs regional total is 43 higher and the total total is 43 higher or was there a misattribution to CR2 flying?
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:24 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
-MIA has combined 280 mainline departure per day! Trails CLT for the number two by movements, but with 23 767 departures per day its probably ahead in terms of mainline capacity. Amazing operation there.

It's normal. MIA is the gAAtewAAy to Central and South America. MIA sees an unbelievable population from South America.

Quoting ams747757 (Reply 2):
Love these threads!

Me too.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 3):
DFW is down to 209 MD80 departures...that's sad.

That's because the MD-80 fleet is shrinking, there are 120 of them left in the fleet, and less than 100 will be left by the end of this year. Can you believe that the MD-80 fleet is now down to one third of what it used to be ten years ago? Over 200 departures a day that's still more than quadruple of what ORD has. Look at it that way. If you fly to or from DFW domestic you still have a good chance to fly on an MD-80, although the data for the 738 at DFW will soon surpass.

Quoting DeltaXNA (Reply 3):
I think that is a MIA flight.

Yes it is. It is the only 767 PHL sees in the whole day. It arrives from MIA and flies back to MIA. I'm not even sure BA still flies the 763 to PHL. US retired its last 762 four months ago.

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 11):
3 daily to GRU and one daily to LHR

And it's the reverse at JFK: 3 daily to LHR and one daily to GRU. Is MIA-GRU Premium heavy? I know JFK-LHR is.

Thanks for these updates. It's always good to have a look at.

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Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 15):

Yes it is. It is the only 767 PHL sees in the whole day. It arrives from MIA and flies back to MIA. I'm not even sure BA still flies the 763 to PHL. US retired its last 762 four months ago.

That's right, I do remember hearing about a 767 flight for PHL/MIA. I think BA was still flying the 767 to PHL recently, but I think for the summer season that flight has gone to the 788.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 13):
The A321 count always amazes me when I see the CLT tally. That's crazy.

That is a boatload of A321s.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:47 pm

How many E 175 departures at ORD, I think you missed the regional planes at ORD. thanks for compiling this though! I love these threads.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:30 pm

Are the DH1s gone from CLT?
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting ams747757 (Reply 16):
I think BA was still flying the 767 to PHL recently, but I think for the summer season that flight has gone to the 788.

The BA services are currently 1x777 and 1x788 daily and that seems to be maintained into the winter season. Given the ever decreasing numbers in longhaul 763s that BA operate it may be the end of the line for their appearance at PHL.
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 13):
The A321 count always amazes me when I see the CLT tally. That's crazy.

And another 90 in PHX. They sure have a ton of A321s in the system.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:25 pm

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
PHL:
333: 5
332: 9
763: 1
752: 17
A321: 46
738: 11
A320: 21
A319: 27
E90: 26
E75: 64
E70: 14
CR9: 6
CR2: 138
DH1: 84
Mainline: 175
Regional: 309
Total: 484

Compared to last year, PHL remains about the same. Slight drop in widebodies with the 762 gone. Only a handful less DH1 and CR2. No M80s, replaced with 738s. 12 more 752/321 flights.

PHL

DH1: 82
CR2: 145
CR9: 3
E70: 13
E75: 65
E90: 29
M80: 6
319: 36
320: 30
321: 40
734: 1
738: 3
752: 11
762: 3
332: 9
333: 5

Total = 481
36.0% mainline


Is it just me or is ORD missing the tally of RJ flights.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:16 pm

Has there been any word on when there may adjustments in international flying with AA aircraft taking over US routes and v.v.?
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:28 pm

AA is moving a lot a weight with those 321s... Mind boggling
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:42 pm

Quoting phillyramp270 (Reply 23):
AA is moving a lot a weight with those 321s... Mind boggling

This list above shows 411 daily departures on the A321 for those hubs.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:47 pm

Quoting phillyramp270 (Reply 23):
AA is moving a lot a weight with those 321s... Mind boggling

I actually think when the network optimization progresses the US 321's could play a big part in the shifts. Obviously there will be shifts throughout the fleet but because the capacity is so large with the 321's, if a hub like CLT or PHX loses 40 321 flights in favor of 738 or 320's, it can make a difference.
 
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RE: AA Aircraft Departures By Hub Summer 2015

Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:56 pm

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 25):
Obviously there will be shifts throughout the fleet but because the capacity is so large with the 321's, if a hub like CLT or PHX loses 40 321 flights in favor of 738 or 320's, it can make a difference.

DP has already said that the US hubs are heavy on A319s and he expects them to transition to the AA hubs (probably mostly to replace the MD80s). I suspect we'll see some A321s move around and have 738s replace them where it makes sense. The net lift capacity probably won't change too much.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:04 pm

Thank-you very much for posting these threads. They are definitely among my favorite I see on here. I decided to compare this summer's daily departure levels to those of last year provided by FSDan.

DFW
Mainline: 545 -> 488 (-57)
Regional 282 -> 345 (+63)
Net: + 6

MD-80 departures are down from 296 to 209 (-85) while CR9 departures have gone from 0 to 88 (+88). Also rather interesting is the fact that 738 departures have gone from 127 to 165 ( 38) while A319 departures have gone from 49 to 29 (-20). It looks like the A319's are getting shifted to other hubs.

CLT
Mainline: 295 -> 292 (-3)
Regional: 376 -> 365 (-11)
Net: -14

Still massive nonetheless. More daily departures than UA's largest hubs in ORD and IAH.

ORD
Mainline: 180 -> 189 (+9)
Regional: 339 -> 304 (-35)
Net: -26

PHL
Mainline: 173 -> 175 (+2)
Regional: 308 -> 309 (+1)
Net: +3

MIA
Mainline: 272 -> 280 (+8)
Regional: 63 -> 60 (-3)
Net: +5

Interesting to note that 752 to departures have dropped off from 60 to 33 (-27) while A319's have gone up 12 to 34 (22).

PHX
Mainline: 206 -> 205 (-1)
Regional: 102 -> 99 (-3)
Net: -4

A321 departures are higher, 64 to 90 ( 26) while A319/A320 departures are lower 117 to 97 (-20).

LAX
Mainline: 122 -> 128 (+6)
Regional: 63 -> 70 (+7)
Net: +13

CR9's have taken over from the CR7's.

The numbers for LGA/JFK/DCA/BOS are not very interesting since they are almost completely flat. Very small reductions at each. Mainline to Regional ratio has decreased a fair amount at DFW while it has increased at ORD. The other hubs have mostly held constant.

[Edited 2015-06-18 11:07:04]
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:27 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 12):
If there's the "renewed focus" of ORD that the post merger management is claiming, I'm not seeing the evidence. Even last summer I think ORD was maybe 520 flights including US.

I suspect that while ORD is seeing 26 fewer flights this summer, the number of seats has increased. You have 9 more mainline flights. The number of MD-80s continues to decline, while the number of 738s increases. And you have the E175s replacing smaller RJs.

Also, ORD has been rebanked. UA also rebanked ORD, and the point was made that UA would see a slight decline in the number of daily operations, but the number of seats would increase, as some flights were switched to larger aircraft to handle more connections. AA probably has seen a similar result in rebanking.

Sort of off topic, but how much longer does ORD remain as an MD-80 crew base? With only 46 departures, are we getting to the point where MD-80 flights will be handled solely by DFW crews?
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 26):
I suspect we'll see some A321s move around and have 738s replace them where it makes sense.

I think that you can expect to see more 738s in CLT and PHX eventually, when I say eventually I mean one or two years from now. And I wouldn't be surprised if MIA eventually sees more A321s, whether or not ex-US, to replace the 757s. MIA will see mostly 738s and A321s. DFW will soon be heavy on 738s.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:38 pm

Quoting ckfred (Reply 28):
The number of MD-80s continues to decline, while the number of 738s increases.

Same in DFW. Though DFW still sees four times as many MD-80 departures than ORD does currently.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 28):
Sort of off topic, but how much longer does ORD remain as an MD-80 crew base?

I'd say till the end of 2016 at the latest. Because by then the only MD-80s you will see in ORD will be coming from and flying back to DFW which means that they will be flown by DFW based crews only. I suspect that most ORD based MD-80 pilots are switching to the 738.
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:56 pm

Unfortuneately, the site is not letting me edit the ORD section to include regional flights, so here they are:
E75: 67
CR7: 64
CR2: 14
ER4: 136
ERD: 23
50-seater departures were once a combined 290 I think. Big improvement.

Quoting fiddlerkrt (Reply 27):

This data is one of my favorite parts of aviation. Thanks for making the comparison, its very interesting. Is AA's fortress being diluted with Southwest's buildup and Spirit at DFW?
Its also interesting that AA's regional operation at MIA is mostly E75s these days, and very few ERJs.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 12):

This would be great if it happened, but I doubt it. Isn't ORD a perfect place for the East coast US passenger base to connect through? I don't understand why ORD isn't stronger for AA, and I feel like if it was critical to them they would have already begun to grow. They're missing a lot internationally, as 3/9 767 flights are to MIA.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:43 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 20):
Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 13):The A321 count always amazes me when I see the CLT tally. That's crazy.
And another 90 in PHX. They sure have a ton of A321s in the system.

The pmUS fleet of 321's is the largest in the world by a big margin. If you include the AA 321's, then AA operates over 10% of the total A321 production line.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:50 pm

Can someone go into the theory behind say moving the B738's to CLT and the A321's to MIA etc. Is it strictly capacity related or performance both?
 
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Quoting oflanigan (Reply 33):

Can someone go into the theory behind say moving the B738's to CLT and the A321's to MIA etc. Is it strictly capacity related or performance both?

Doug Parker has said on investor calls that he believes that there are too many A319s in the pmUS network. I'm not sure that we'll necessarily see A321s move to pmAA but the new ones will probably be based out of AA hubs. I suspect we'll see the A319s be replaced with 738s where it makes sense and the A319s continue to replace MD80 routes out of DFW and ORD.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 31):
This data is one of my favorite parts of aviation. Thanks for making the comparison, its very interesting. Is AA's fortress being diluted with Southwest's buildup and Spirit at DFW?
Its also interesting that AA's regional operation at MIA is mostly E75s these days, and very few ERJs.

Me too! Again, thanks for taking the time to post these threads. Miami is definitely an impressive hub and, if I recall correctly, it has the highest seat per flight ratio out of any hub in the US among the big 3.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 34):
A319s continue to replace MD80 routes out of DFW and ORD.

And the last 3 MD-80 flights a day out of LAX also: 2x daily LAX-STL and 1x daily LAX-AUS. I see those going A319, which would not surprise me because LAX could very well be an A32X pilot base, if it is not already.

A lot of MD-80 flights out of ORD have already been replaced with 738s.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:46 pm

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
-PHX seems to be going strong despite nay sayers. Personally, it seems that without this hub they would leave a big gap in the region. Plus, if it were reduced to a focus operation, Southwest would mop the floor with them in terms of frequencies and destinations.

Thank you. The PHX hub is not going to go the way of CVG, CLE & MEM.
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Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
-PHX seems to be going strong despite nay sayers. Personally, it seems that without this hub they would leave a big gap in the region. Plus, if it were reduced to a focus operation, Southwest would mop the floor with them in terms of frequencies and destinations.

This is summer, too. PHX's peak is between October and end of April. I am very curious to see you create a thread like this for the winter ops.

PHX is a great airport. I'm glad to see it going strong.

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
304
Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Thread starter):
198

And this is why it's going strong.

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 37):
Thank you. The PHX hub is not going to go the way of CVG, CLE & MEM.

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Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:58 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 38):
PHX is a great airport. I'm glad to see it going strong.

Yes, it is one of the my favorite airports in the US. AA will hopefully expand out of there a little more than they already have.

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