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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:20 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 99):

Im all for free trade and all that but I don't agree with your argument. In international trade, given the distorted mess that it is, I'm a firm believer in give something get something, so we are just not giving something away all the time. If TK wants something, Turkey needs to provide something in return IMO. You could use your argument to increase the flights into Australia from HK without keeping up the pressure for beyond rights for Australian carriers. I see this as more fair trade. The free trade that a lot of people (and me in the past) have held up as the bees knees is a concept that dates from the post war ideology that assumed that we all would play by the same rules.

In this particular case, I can see an upping of the allowable frequencies to allow daily service and removal of the city restrictions is probably a fair outcome, but Id like to see what Turkey can offer that is realistically valuable to Australian carriers too.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:49 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 100):
In this particular case, I can see an upping of the allowable frequencies to allow daily service and removal of the city restrictions is probably a fair outcome, but Id like to see what Turkey can offer that is realistically valuable to Australian carriers too.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:55 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 100):
Im all for free trade and all that but I don't agree with your argument. In international trade, given the distorted mess that it is, I'm a firm believer in give something get something, so we are just not giving something away all the time. If TK wants something, Turkey needs to provide something in return IMO. You could use your argument to increase the flights into Australia from HK without keeping up the pressure for beyond rights for Australian carriers. I see this as more fair trade. The free trade that a lot of people (and me in the past) have held up as the bees knees is a concept that dates from the post war ideology that assumed that we all would play by the same rules.

I think you have mis-understood what I've said.

As I said above, if Turkish carriers get increased rights, so will Australian Carriers on a 1 for 1 basis. That's the way these things work. If the City restriction is lifted by Australia it will only be in return for Turkey lifting the same restriction. That part is agiven, it's the base case and, as I said, I'm not really interested in that part because we don't have Australian Carriers who want to use those rights at the moment. (Although the Turkish Carriers will, by the looks of it, want to) So the question is what else is Turkey going to give us to sweeten the deal. Or, indeed, is there anything they can give us to sweeten the deal? I don't know but the Government should go for everything it can get just in case, down the track, they are of some use to Australian carriers. In the case of Hong Kong they've given nothing so they've got nothing.

So I think we're actually concluding the same thing.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:04 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 102):
So I think we're actually concluding the same thing.

Yep, looking at it, we do!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:12 am

Looks like MH's MEL and SYD routes will be cut to 2 X daily, with ADL down to 4 x weekly as per a post on airlineroute. Im not on there at present to get the link.

Aligns with expectations really.
 
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Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:58 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 104):
Looks like MH's MEL and SYD routes will be cut to 2 X daily, with ADL down to 4 x weekly as per a post on airlineroute. Im not on there at present to get the link.

According to AusBT Malaysia Airlines axes Brisbane flights, trims Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth

SYD loses MH142/143 which is the 0605 arrival 0725 departure
MEL loses MH146/147 which is also the 0600 arrival 0740 departure
ADL will only have a flight on days 2357
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:30 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 105):

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 104):
Looks like MH's MEL and SYD routes will be cut to 2 X daily, with ADL down to 4 x weekly as per a post on airlineroute. Im not on there at present to get the link.

According to AusBT Malaysia Airlines axes Brisbane flights, trims Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth

SYD loses MH142/143 which is the 0605 arrival 0725 departure
MEL loses MH146/147 which is also the 0600 arrival 0740 departure
ADL will only have a flight on days 2357

Amazing that ADL will have direct services to KUL and BNE won't  

It is a shame to see them go, though I would be shocked if they weren't back in their new form within 2-3 years time!

I don't buy the talk of D7 moving to BNE - they are well established at OOL and serve this market for a reason (same as TZ to SIN and JQ to NRT)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:39 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 106):
Amazing that ADL will have direct services to KUL and BNE won't  

This is a reflection of the fact that QF maintains services into Asia from BNE whereas it does not offer this for ADL.
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Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:13 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 107):
This is a reflection of the fact that QF maintains services into Asia from BNE whereas it does not offer this for ADL.

And (possibly) the fact we also get TG, CZ, 2 extra daily SQ's, 1 extra daily CX, an EK via SIN, KE and EY.

Would probably indicate BNE is a substantially larger market and QF probably couldn't sustain substantial ADL services given at present ADL have:

-1x daily SIN (with connections onwards to much larger network)
-4x weekly HKG (with connections onwards to much larger network)
-4x weekly KUL
-Daily DXB (which is arguably a QF service anyway)

So if the foreign carriers with much larger Asian/European networks can't make ADL work more than a couple of times weekly, where do you suppose QF flies to with no significant feed on the other end?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 7:43 am

QF cuts fuel surcharges on frequent flyer tickets

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-cuts-...rcharges-on-frequent-flyer-tickets

From 8 November 2015 to 24 January 2016 QF will add a fifth weekly service to SCL

From 16 September 2015 to 11 October 2015 QF will add

13 additional return services SYD-AKL
6 additional return services BNE-AKL
2 additional return services MEL-AKL
1 additional return service MEL-WLG

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-boost-sydney-santiago-flights
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:09 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 106):
I don't buy the talk of D7 moving to BNE - they are well established at OOL and serve this market for a reason (same as TZ to SIN and JQ to NRT)

Agreed. OOL is known to offer incentives to carriers serving long haul destinations. Were D7 to move to BNE they may not get the same. I think D7 still partner with the Air Asia Express bus to & from Brisbane to meet their flights.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 107):
This is a reflection of the fact that QF maintains services into Asia from BNE whereas it does not offer this for ADL.

One reason, though QF wouldn't take much of MH's transfer traffic (maybe some SIN traffic).

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 108):
And (possibly) the fact we also get TG, CZ, 2 extra daily SQ's, 1 extra daily CX, an EK via SIN, KE and EY.

All these probably add up to more competition for transfer traffic than what MH would see out of ADL.

I think the other big reason is D7 at OOL takes much of the KUL/Malaysia bound traffic. D7 gave up on ADL already.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:26 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 109):

That's really fascinating how AusBT have reported the Qantas YQ change. That is tabloid journalism at its finest, and shows just how far that formerly inciteful newsletter has fallen.

Qantas have NOT "cut the fuel surcharge on FF tickets", but what they have done is moved it from the tax component to the base fare. That does have the impact of reducing the taxes and surcharges line, but that was absolutely not the reason for making the change.

Presumably "Qantas and Emirates standardize fare calculation" wasn't click-bait enough  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:46 am

Not strictly AusAv related, but...

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Hong Kong's Air Transport Licensing Authority on Thursday said it had rejected the application by Jetstar Hong Kong Airways Ltd (JHK) to operate scheduled air services in the city.

Looks like the "principle place of business" argument has won out; very disappointing for QF.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...tar-airlines-idUSL3N0ZB3D920150625
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting bbbb (Reply 112):

Im sure that there will be repercussions from this. The bilateral won't be relaxed any time soon I'm sure.

Looking forward though, how possible would it be to can the idea in HK and move it with China Eastern to China? Simpler shareholdings, tap directly into the Shanghai market etc etc?

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 111):
inciteful

Insightful?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting bbbb (Reply 112):
Looks like the "principle place of business" argument has won out; very disappointing for QF.Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...50625

Hardly surprising. You don't faff about for years to say yes.

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 106):
It is a shame to see them go, though I would be shocked if they weren't back in their new form within 2-3 years time!

The return to twice daily is the frequency that MH had prior to the treaty being expanded and, to be honest, I can't see these 3rd dailies coming back. On the plus side for Australia it means that MH will be entirely A330 again so that's definitely a plus for product consistency!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:01 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 114):
On the plus side for Australia it means that MH will be entirely A330 again so that's definitely a plus for product consistency!

Except for 2 x BKI-PER and 3 x KUL-DRW with 73H equipment. The article mentions DRW is untouched and I didn't see anything about the direct BKI flights, which still appears to be operating late August.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:24 am

QF71 recommences today. Not sure if there is some sort of symbolism I should read into the use of the retro 738 here?

https://twitter.com/AusAviation/status/614261022371655682/photo/1
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:47 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 89):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):
& other news NH looking at commencing Tokyo - Sydney services this year according to AUS BT

I just posted this in the other thread but it's probably worthwhile posting here, this is the current available rights to Turkey

  

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 93):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 83):
NH looking at commencing Tokyo - Sydney services this year according to AUS BT

From the article you linked NH has all but said it's definite - "if it can't be [northern] winter it will be [northern] summer 2016". Very exciting, can't wait for the announcement!

I believe the commencement dates haven't been confirmed due the lack of available aircraft?

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 116):
QF71 recommences today. Not sure if there is some sort of symbolism I should read into the use of the retro 738 here?


What better way to celebrate the return of PER-SIN.

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Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:01 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 117):
I believe the commencement dates haven't been confirmed due the lack of available aircraft?

It'll be interesting to see how this affects QF, in particular their new BNE-NRT service. Will the NH service be HND or NRT based?
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:05 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 118):
It'll be interesting to see how this affects QF, in particular their new BNE-NRT service. Will the NH service be HND or NRT based?

I would presume the NH service would be from HND because that is where they have added the bulk of their new routes lately. (NRT has only had a couple added in comparison to places like IAH)

Quoting EK413 (Reply 117):
What better way to celebrate the return of PER-SIN.

The only better way is if QF had a back to the future themed aircraft. They could use that for SFO as well.  
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:22 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 111):
That's really fascinating how AusBT have reported the Qantas YQ change. That is tabloid journalism at its finest, and shows just how far that formerly inciteful newsletter has fallen.

I'm only new to reading AusBT, last few months or so and I've a couple of comments on here lately about the loss of quality. Anyone care to provide more examples as I'd like to me more aware when reading their stuff.

My main observation is it is very flattering to the airlines and not very critical.
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:29 am

Quoting flyjetstar (Reply 120):
My main observation is it is very flattering to the airlines and not very critical.

That is a fair comment. I understand it started out as an independent blog and, as it has grown, the airlines have seen it as a useful conduit for marketing to high value regular travellers. This has meant the staff (I don't believe they are journalists) are regularly duchessed by the airlines and are probably enjoying a very enviable lifestyle and rarely dipping in to their pocket or turning right on boarding.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:33 am

Last night's EK413 flight SYD-DXB diverted to CMB this morning due to a technical fault.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...lanka/story-fnizu68q-1227416546719
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:20 am

Quoting flyjetstar (Reply 120):
I'm only new to reading AusBT, last few months or so and I've a couple of comments on here lately about the loss of quality. Anyone care to provide more examples as I'd like to me more aware when reading their stuff.

They do a decent job covering the consumer side of things (ie new routes, frequent flyer changes etc) but that's about it. Their writers seem to lack any real insight or knowledge of the business side of things -- for example, they published an 'analytical' article a few weeks ago about how we shouldn't expect to see QF or VA flying to SFO anytime soon and then literally days later QF was announcing SYD-SFO.

As mentioned above, they also appear to lap up the spin fed to them by the airlines (ie their advertisers) then there is also the issue of relevance. They ignore some major local news (such as JQ Q300s in NZ) because they're too busy travelling to Warsaw to be fed stories about LO flying to NRT next year and LX's plans for new F/J seats on the 77W.

Maybe we should set up a rival blog?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 123):

They don't provide a critical view on things I guess you could say.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:54 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 118):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 117):
I believe the commencement dates haven't been confirmed due the lack of available aircraft?

It'll be interesting to see how this affects QF, in particular their new BNE-NRT service. Will the NH service be HND or NRT based?

I'd say there will be minimal impact considering the strong presence the Qantas Group & OW have on the Japanese route. To have an effect I'd say NH is better off establishing a codeshare agreement with VA.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 119):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 117):
What better way to celebrate the return of PER-SIN.

The only better way is if QF had a back to the future themed aircraft. They could use that for SFO as well.

I smell a SFO decal rolling out on a B744   Speakjng of which QF is running a competition for a A380 Wallabies decal.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 122):
Last night's EK413 flight SYD-DXB diverted to CMB this morning due to a technical fault.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...lanka/story-fnizu68q-1227416546719

Just heard about the diversion over the radio. My username is definitely famous.

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Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:54 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 116):
QF71 recommences today. Not sure if there is some sort of symbolism I should read into the use of the retro 738 here?

According to Australian Aviation the flight went out full so hope its a continuing success for QF. Also in the article it mentions that there are now 4 refurbished A330's in the domestic fleet so now all red eyes from PER are operated with the refurbished aircraft.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...k-on-the-qantas-international-map/
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:55 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 122):
Last night's EK413 flight SYD-DXB diverted to CMB this morning due to a technical fault.

I'm surprised the media didn't pick up on EK415 diverting to BOM on the 23rd.
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:18 am

Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 127):
I'm surprised the media didn't pick up on EK415 diverting to BOM on the 23rd.

Looking at that flight it looks like it was a medical diversion. EK420 DXB-PER had a medical diversion to CMB on the 15th of June as well.

Having just reread the article is starts with

Quote: AN Emirates A380 plane en route to Sydney from Dubai with more than 500 people on board had to make an emergency landing in Sri Lanka due to a “technical fault”,

then the statement from the airline

Quote: “‎Emirates flight EK413 from Sydney to Dubai ... was diverted to Colombo due to a technical fault

Also the title of the article you click on Australia bound Emirates plane diverted

Once again whoever wrote this didn't check what they wrote contradicting what they originally quoted in the first sentence and the title itself has been used as clickbait.
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:23 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 124):
They don't provide a critical view on things I guess you could say.

Yes, that would be fair. I hope I'm not sounding too negative -- I think they do a great job with the consumer side of things but some of their more in-depth articles just seem to be a bit off the mark these days.
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:09 am

Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 127):
I'm surprised the media didn't pick up on EK415 diverting to BOM on the 23rd

Cause it wasn't EK 413  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:38 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 129):

Nup. Im all for a critical media. The more critical the better.
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 124):

Always have a choice not to read it I guess and go to a critical site like Crikey?

  


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Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:49 am

Just wanted to say that I had the chance to take a look at OJA the other day and as mighty as she is, it's a bit sad seeing her sitting there without some of her power plants.

Does anybody know when she will have power plants hanging from all four pylons???
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Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 133):

Just wanted to say that I had the chance to take a look at OJA the other day and as mighty as she is, it's a bit sad seeing her sitting there without some of her power plants.

Does anybody know when she will have power plants hanging from all four pylons???

Qantas and HARS have confirmed that she will have engines attached, I think I read somewhere they are waiting for some engines to be retired.
 
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Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:25 am

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 134):
Qantas and HARS have confirmed that she will have engines attached, I think I read somewhere they are waiting for some engines to be retired.

I recall hearing / reading that too, I was just wondering if anybody knew roughly when.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 121):
I understand it started out as an independent blog and, as it has grown, the airlines have seen it as a useful conduit for marketing to high value regular travellers.

Essentially AusBT has become a place to read airline & hotel PR releases. I have been reading for a few years, and it used to be a little more objective. The bias towards the subject of the article is very strong now.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 123):
They do a decent job covering the consumer side of things (ie new routes, frequent flyer changes etc) but that's about it.

Even then, they add little to what has already been said directly by the airline/hotel. They have a cheeky habit of re-hashing articles when it's a slow "news" day.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 132):
Always have a choice not to read it I guess and go to a critical site like Crikey?

   Go from one extreme to the other?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:11 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 132):
Qantas fleet movements coming up - VH-OJI has been withdrawn from service and will depart Sydney in coming days for the US, Mohave I think?

Scheduled to depart on the 27/6 to MZJ via HNL. I'm not sure why the HNL pit stop as the only ferry flights which operated via HNL was the B734's.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 133):
Does anybody know when she will have power plants hanging from all four pylons???
Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 134):
Qantas and HARS have confirmed that she will have engines attached, I think I read somewhere they are waiting for some engines to be retired.

No timeframe from my understanding as I believe -OJA will receive her power plants on a 1 for 1 basis.

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 138):
So not to have another thread discussing JQ HKG, as the other one heated enough

That's an understatement Big grin

According to another discussion thread there will be a QF charter utilising a B744 from MEL to CGK on 24 July QF6061, departing at 1310. MH will also operate several A380 charters to MEL during the month of July. Another surprise visitor will be a LH A340 charter.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:26 am

So not to have another thread discussing JQ HKG, as the other one heated enough, but what do people think the chances are of the Oz Govt actually retaliating against HKG? Does QF hold that power in the Government anymore that we would see them restrict (or not grow) their bilateral with HKG into the future? (This is a question of if, not should, save that for the other forum :P )
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:27 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 137):
Quoting truemanqld (Reply 138):

Here is a forum gremlin for us all, how can EK413 in reply 137 quote text from truemanqld's reply 138?? Done in one of the edits maybe?

Quoting EK413 (Reply 137):
Another surprise visitor will be a LH A340 charter.

Now this I would love to see, particularly if it is a 346. Which thread EK413?
 
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Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:16 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 139):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 137):
Quoting truemanqld (Reply 138):

Here is a forum gremlin for us all, how can EK413 in reply 137 quote text from truemanqld's reply 138?? Done in one of the edits maybe?

Done in one of my edits  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:07 pm

Just reading through the JQ rejection thread (and not going to join that fray!), but is it possible that the rejection isn't so much a rejection of QF and JQ, and more a rejection of China Eastern/Mainland influence?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:23 pm

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Quoting EK413 (Reply 137):
Another surprise visitor will be a LH A340 charter.

Which thread EK413?

Apology, I missed this line. The discussion thread isn't on a.net I've shared the link and quoted the details.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=548727&page=435

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 141):
Just reading through the JQ rejection thread (and not going to join that fray!)


Definitely anti JQ discussion more like it.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 142):

No worries, thanks. Ill keep an eye out!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:36 pm

Would appear the QF International network is currently in a recovery mode as a result of being down 2 x A380's. The QF0007 VHOQC departed SYD 2300 last night, QF0075 VHOEF departing just before 2300 & QF6006 VHOQI being ferried LAX-SYD departing just over an hour ago. Apparently "Delta" is out of action for a few days whilst "Charlie" undergoes scheduled maintenance in MNL.
Hard to say if these A380's will be as reliable as the B744 fleet which sadly was reduced down to 11 frames as of yesterday  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:49 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 138):
So not to have another thread discussing JQ HKG, as the other one heated enough, but what do people think the chances are of the Oz Govt actually retaliating against HKG? Does QF hold that power in the Government anymore that we would see them restrict (or not grow) their bilateral with HKG into the future? (This is a question of if, not should, save that for the other forum :P )

I've refrained from even reading the other thread but in terms of retaliation you won't see any from the Australian Government. The Australia - Hong Kong bilateral negotiations have been stuck where they are for ages and I don't really see an end to the current impasse there no matter Hong Kong did with the Jetstar Hong Kong application. With the expanded rights for Chinese Carriers and the increased bilateral rights with places like the Philippines coming online there isn't really an urgent need to give HK more rights at the moment. So they'll stay deadlocked until Hong Kong, whose carriers are desperate for more frequencies, comes up with something of enough value to give Australia.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:28 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 142):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 141):Just reading through the JQ rejection thread (and not going to join that fray!)

Definitely anti JQ discussion more like it.

  

And some of the same anti-JQ folks in that thread have cried foul in the past and claimed that Australia is too protectionist / anti-competitive when their national based carriers can't get additional slots into specific Australian cities because of existing bilateral agreements. Oh the irony! Some of these folks must walk around blindfolded in their own back yard  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:32 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 126):
Also in the article it mentions that there are now 4 refurbished A330's in the domestic fleet so now all red eyes from PER are operated with the refurbished aircraft.

Anyone have a list of which A330-200s are in what state, interior wise?

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 132):
VH-OJI has been withdrawn from service and will depart Sydney in coming days for the US, Mohave I think?

Before leaving Sydney:
http://www.facebook.com/Airlinehubbu...2926679817/933473883376053/?type=1
http://www.facebook.com/Airlinehubbu...2926679817/934965059893602/?type=1

Departing Sydney:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/berniep...rQ4Apx-dCVdBU-qd3e2M-eb6wtu-fxjySs

At Honolulu:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1wAwh1gxaK...BIg/YhumSyaTJJk/s1600/IMG_3930.jpg
http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.co.nz/2015/06/qantas-vh-oji.html

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 132):
QF have also withdrawn from service and ended the lease on one of it's 4 A330-200 International configured aircraft(36J 199Y), VH-EBH.

That happened last month. Currently VH-EBH is in QPG on an end of lease check. Anyone know where she is heading next? Hope she gets a good operator. Next to go will be VH-EBI, though I can't remember when.

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 134):
Qantas and HARS have confirmed that she will have engines attached, I think I read somewhere they are waiting for some engines to be retired.

Presumably they are shuffling about engines so that the least airworthy ones end up on VH-OJA.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 144):
Would appear the QF International network is currently in a recovery mode as a result of being down 2 x A380's. The QF0007 VHOQC departed SYD 2300 last night, QF0075 VHOEF departing just before 2300 & QF6006 VHOQI being ferried LAX-SYD departing just over an hour ago. Apparently "Delta" is out of action for a few days whilst "Charlie" undergoes scheduled maintenance in MNL.
Hard to say if these A380's will be as reliable as the B744 fleet which sadly was reduced down to 11 frames as of yesterday

Additionally, tonight's QF21 service to Narita has been cancelled. Not enough 747s! Time to bring back VH-OJI, or maybe borrow VH-OJA from HARS.   

Quoting EK413 (Reply 142):
Definitely anti JQ discussion more like it.

Given what a debacle JQHK was, it is hardly unjustified.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 147):
Anyone have a list of which A330-200s are in what state, interior wise?

According to Qantas Source:

332: EBA, EBJ, EBS, EBV
333: QPB, QPC, QPD
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:03 pm

Quoting ben175 (Reply 148):
333: QPB, QPC, QPD

QPA has been done as well. So it's 4 of each.

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