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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:28 pm

Re Jetstar HK:
My friends in China suggest that it was the MU connection that was at least as worrying to CX as the QF connection. Also, it was suggested to me that CX was worried longer term that a successful JQ HK would spawn a Mainland China JQ and in turn further strengthen JQ's profile in HK.

Re VH-OJA:
I've heard plans to reattach engines to VH-OJA are based purely on the availability of time-expired engines. What interests me more however are the plans for the interior of the plane. I made some suggestions to a HARS member I know after he admitted that there was still some uncertainty as to the eventual interior configuration. I believe that they are looking at keeping it largely intact but possibly with a 'theatre' set up in one cabin to show videos of the plane in service etc as well as operating as a classroom for school excursions. I cheekily suggested setting up the upper deck as an exclusive and novel little self-contained B&B, similar to the 747 at Arlanda!

Re A330s:
I very recently flew Sydney-Melbourne on VH-EBO and was really impressed with the interior, despite my IFE not working properly (no sound). It was my first A330 domestic flight and it left a really good impression. It made me think again about the lack of domestic wide bodies and lament the passing of the 767s. I'm sad to see that A330s are already starting to leave the QF Group fleet, as I reckon they could've been used effectively domestically and in opening up some new international frequencies as QF begins to tentatively expand again.

Re ANA and Turkish:
I've heard that Turkish want to put the 777-300ER into Sydney when they start, as they have given up on short- and medium-term plans to fly here nonstop. I suggested in another thread that the recent UFO for 10x777s could be Turkish ordering 777-200LRs for Australian services but I was told that it was definitely an Emirates order, and then told it was definitely a Qatar order for 777-8Xs, so who knows? I think Turkish will build slowly and be a success in the Australia-Europe market. I would love to fly them, and love to visit Turkey. As for ANA, what are they proposing to fly to Sydney? Dreamliners? 777? What model(s)? Anyone know?

Re MERS:
I have suddenly starting hearing about MERS in my professional life and see it as a possible medium-term disruption to world travel like SARS etc in the past. Could MERS impact on the growth of the ME3, the way that SARS affected Asian carriers not so long ago? From the little I know at the moment, I think it could.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:13 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
I believe that they are looking at keeping it largely intact but possibly with a 'theatre' set up in one cabin to show videos of the plane in service etc as well as operating as a classroom for school excursions.

Should show them on the seat back screens. Serve meals on trays. But not popcorn, that's too messy.  
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
I'm sad to see that A330s are already starting to leave the QF Group fleet, as I reckon they could've been used effectively domestically and in opening up some new international frequencies as QF begins to tentatively expand again.

Only a couple of leased A330s IIRC.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
As for ANA, what are they proposing to fly to Sydney? Dreamliners? 777? What model(s)? Anyone know?

They are proposing to use 767s to start off with as the 787s are deployed elsewhere with higher priorities. I don't think the aircraft type is solid yet, just like their start date.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
I have suddenly starting hearing about MERS in my professional life and see it as a possible medium-term disruption to world travel like SARS etc in the past. Could MERS impact on the growth of the ME3, the way that SARS affected Asian carriers not so long ago? From the little I know at the moment, I think it could.

MERS has been around a while now, it's just that it suddenly spread to South Korea and caused a bit of a panic, though most fatalities has existing health conditions. That current strains have not spread more widely since 2012, especially considering the mixing pot of the Hajj, would seem to indicate to me that it's not currently considered a huge travel issue, though it is more likely to spread than Ebola. Unlike SARS, MERS' natural reservoir appears to be camels, which does restrict its transmission. Saudi bats have also been identified as a host, but as far as I know it hasn't infected other species of bats. Bats were also the hosts of SARS. However, Asia is more densely populated than most of the Middle East and there is probably more contact between species due to the nature of the habitat and the food practices of the local population. I'm not a doctor or epidemiologist though. Neither do I play one on TV.  Smile

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:25 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 148):
According to Qantas Source:

332: EBA, EBJ, EBS, EBV
333: QPB, QPC, QPD

Thanks!

Quoting allrite (Reply 151):
Only a couple of leased A330s IIRC.

   and the loss of -EBI and -EBH will be covered by A330s returning from JetStar, anyway.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:36 am

Hi allrite,
Thanks for your insight. In my job I am made aware of the latest government thinking on matters such as the spread to Australia of MERS and yes, it's all very very low key at the moment and considered to be of little risk to travel, but that risk has now reached a certain threshold where more detailed plans and protocols are necessary...just in case. It isn't considered as diabolical as Ebola or SARS, and it probably never will.
And as for ANA and the 767, I would be delighted if in arguably the twilight of it's career the type started flying to Australia with another airline, albeit short term before Dreamliners took over. Thanks for that info as well!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:59 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 151):
They are proposing to use 767s to start off with as the 787s are deployed elsewhere with higher priorities. I don't think the aircraft type is solid yet, just like their start date.

I actually don't think ANA itself is solid on whether or not they are coming. It's getting a bit late to start marketing flights to start this year.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:24 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 153):
And as for ANA and the 767, I would be delighted if in arguably the twilight of it's career the type started flying to Australia with another airline, albeit short term before Dreamliners took over.

Back to the future ? They have flown them here before.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 141):
Just reading through the JQ rejection thread (and not going to join that fray!)
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
I've refrained from even reading the other thread
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 146):
And some of the same anti-JQ folks in that thread have cried foul in the past and claimed that Australia is too protectionist / anti-competitive when their national based carriers can't get additional slots into specific Australian cities because of existing bilateral agreements. Oh the irony! Some of these folks must walk around blindfolded in their own back yard

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:52 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 154):
I actually don't think ANA itself is solid on whether or not they are coming. It's getting a bit late to start marketing flights to start this year.

Yes mate, I tend to agree however Mike Baird himself (NSW Premier) said that ANA planned the flights to start at the end of the year while he was in Tokyo for a trade mission. I do believe that they are leaving it a little late, but if the reports from a.netters above are anything to go on, perhaps aircraft availability (or lack of it) is slowing things down?

On a separate line of thought, I wonder if the recent delivery of an extra 737-800 to Fiji Airways may see another trial of flights direct Fiji-Canberra? Fingers crossed! I believe that lack of available aircraft was one reason FJ wasn't planning on resuming the trials over summer...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:21 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 156):
On a separate line of thought, I wonder if the recent delivery of an extra 737-800 to Fiji Airways may see another trial of flights direct Fiji-Canberra? Fingers crossed! I believe that lack of available aircraft was one reason FJ wasn't planning on resuming the trials over summer...

Maybe more trials with the 73G? rather than the 738.

Although in saying that the the extra 738 could allow some of the 73G services into AKL to be swapped out with an 738.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:32 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 156):
recent delivery of an extra 737-800 to Fiji Airways

That extra B738 enabled FJ to relaunch WLG services last week, but apart from that, I'm not aware of any extra services for that extra B738
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:59 am

Planefinder is currently showing SQ214 PER-SIN 9V-SRQ sitting on the domestic apron after 2 rejected take off attempts

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:12 am

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 159):
Planefinder is currently showing SQ214 PER-SIN 9V-SRQ sitting on the domestic apron after 2 rejected take off attempts

Yes that is correct just spoken to my contact at the airport and he has confirmed that though does not know why. Its back at T1 now.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 154):
I actually don't think ANA itself is solid on whether or not they are coming. It's getting a bit late to start marketing flights to start this year.

Yeah, they haven't confirmed anything yet. Last year they said Sydney during 2015 but this was revised to "the near future" in March so who knows. Other than an article last week nothing else has cropped up so it is indeed a very 'strategic' launch if it is still taking place this year.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 119):
I would presume the NH service would be from HND because that is where they have added the bulk of their new routes lately. (NRT has only had a couple added in comparison to places like IAH)

Bit late to this party but yes, NH received a bunch of new HND slots so that's where the majority of their int'l expansion is taking place at the moment. They did refer to SYD and new HND slots in the same sentence once before, so make of that what you will.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 155):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 141):
Just reading through the JQ rejection thread (and not going to join that fray!)
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
I've refrained from even reading the other thread
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 146):
And some of the same anti-JQ folks in that thread have cried foul in the past and claimed that Australia is too protectionist / anti-competitive when their national based carriers can't get additional slots into specific Australian cities because of existing bilateral agreements. Oh the irony! Some of these folks must walk around blindfolded in their own back yard

You guys are just soft !!

Not soft. I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again for at least the fourth time. If people want to know what I think of Hong Kong - Australia Air Rights negotiations, or the adversarial history of them, they can do a search.  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:28 am

Great to hear that China Airlines will be starting MEL, I think years ago there was talk of them flying down to here. With regarding Korean, will they ever come back to MEL? I don't think they are doing seasonal either any more, will they ever come back to MEL and why did they stop flying to here?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:46 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
Not soft. I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again for at least the fourth time

Zeke works for CX.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting timtam (Reply 164):
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
Not soft. I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again for at least the fourth time

Zeke works for CX.

Hence why I can't be bothered.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:09 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 158):
That extra B738 enabled FJ to relaunch WLG services last week, but apart from that, I'm not aware of any extra services for that extra B738

FJ are also due to receive an A333 in December, which will help them to launch a new Asian route. I imagine an A332 will be sent on the new route and an existing A332 route will upgauge to the A333. Perhaps the A333 will come to SYD?

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again for at least the fourth time.

He takes a rather aggressive tone at times. Something I don't find in the AusAv threads.

Quoting timtam (Reply 164):
Zeke works for CX.

That is abundantly clear. He's also an A330 pilot and somewhat of an A330 fanboy.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:15 pm

So we're about 45 minutes away from seeing whether the QF systems are ready for the upcoming leap second :P
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:02 am

Australian Govt has just announced an additional 2 MRTT A330s for RAAF. Interesting part of story is that these are not newbuilds but conversions of aircraft currently flying with QF. Delivery in 2018.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 168):
Australian Govt has just announced an addition 2 MRTT A330s for RAAF. Interesting part of story is that these are not newbuilds but conversions of aircraft currently flying with QF. Delivery in 2018.

These are VH-EBI and VH-EBH, EBH having already left the QF fleet, so there's no additional aircraft leaving than those previously announced. Both aircraft were delivered in 2008.
 
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 168):
Australian Govt has just announced an addition 2 MRTT A330s for RAAF. Interesting part of story is that these are not newbuilds but conversions of aircraft currently flying with QF. Delivery in 2018.

Not to stray too far from the Civil Aviation thread but it's actually been a really good year for Military Aviation. Wedgetail is operational, more MRRT's, new C27-J's and more C-17's has meant a busy year for the RAAF.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
Also, it was suggested to me that CX was worried longer term that a successful JQ HK would spawn a Mainland China JQ and in turn further strengthen JQ's profile in HK.

Makes sense.

I'd love to see a successful JQ China set up which Honkers and CX could do nothing about  
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
I've heard plans to reattach engines to VH-OJA are based purely on the availability of time-expired engines.

Thanks for the info.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 155):
You guys are just soft !!

Hahaha...

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
Not soft. I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again for at least the fourth time.

  

Can't say I blame you.

That would be more frustrating that trying to have a conversation with a brick wall  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting timtam (Reply 164):
Zeke works for CX.

Who do you work for?
What?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:21 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 172):
Quoting timtam (Reply 164):
Zeke works for CX.

Who do you work for?

Does it matter who works for who?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:45 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 147):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 144):
Would appear the QF International network is currently in a recovery mode as a result of being down 2 x A380's. The QF0007 VHOQC departed SYD 2300 last night, QF0075 VHOEF departing just before 2300 & QF6006 VHOQI being ferried LAX-SYD departing just over an hour ago. Apparently "Delta" is out of action for a few days whilst "Charlie" undergoes scheduled maintenance in MNL.
Hard to say if these A380's will be as reliable as the B744 fleet which sadly was reduced down to 11 frames as of yesterday

Additionally, tonight's QF21 service to Narita has been cancelled. Not enough 747s! Time to bring back VH-OJI, or maybe borrow VH-OJA from HARS.

Was the last cancellation from what I've heard apparently -OQD heading home tonight.

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
Re VH-OJA:
I've heard plans to reattach engines to VH-OJA are based purely on the availability of time-expired engines.

Spot on, I've heard the same. Interesting though -OJI's engines has a buyer lined up hence the 30th of July retirement deadline. (+ heavy D Check)

Quoting allrite (Reply 151):
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 150):
As for ANA, what are they proposing to fly to Sydney? Dreamliners? 777? What model(s)? Anyone know?

They are proposing to use 767s to start off with as the 787s are deployed elsewhere with higher priorities. I don't think the aircraft type is solid yet, just like their start date.

QF are lucky NH haven't commenced services considering the number of QF21 cancellations lately.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
Not soft. I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again for at least the fourth time. If people want to know what I think of Hong Kong - Australia Air Rights negotiations, or the adversarial history of them, they can do a search.

That's makes 2 of us.

Quoting bbbb (Reply 169):
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 168):
Australian Govt has just announced an addition 2 MRTT A330s for RAAF. Interesting part of story is that these are not newbuilds but conversions of aircraft currently flying with QF. Delivery in 2018.

These are VH-EBI and VH-EBH, EBH having already left the QF fleet, so there's no additional aircraft leaving than those previously announced. Both aircraft were delivered in 2008.

Great to see these A330's remaining down under   Just wondering are the MRTT's replacing the T.Abotts B737BBJ? It's time the Australian Prime Minister had a real AF1.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:04 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 166):
He's also an A330 pilot and somewhat of an A330 fanboy.

He's actually reasonably balanced when it comes to aircraft. He just doesn't take any BS when it comes to people perpetuating certain myths (such as those about Airbus's FBW system). He made some very good contributions to a thread in the tech ops forum recently, on that subject. He is also type rated on the 747-400 (amongst others, presumably).

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 166):
A330 fanboy

Who wouldn't be a fanboy of an aircraft that good?  
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 168):

Australian Govt has just announced an additional 2 MRTT A330s for RAAF. Interesting part of story is that these are not newbuilds but conversions of aircraft currently flying with QF. Delivery in 2018.
Quoting bbbb (Reply 169):
These are VH-EBI and VH-EBH, EBH having already left the QF fleet, so there's no additional aircraft leaving than those previously announced. Both aircraft were delivered in 2008.

Very interesting. I guess that answers my question in reply 147.

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 172):
Who do you work for?

I'm sure that noone here who accuses Zeke of being biased towards his employer would be even slightly biased towards their own.  
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 173):
Does it matter who works for who?

No it doesn't, but when someone brings that up and implies that another member is biased because of their employer, then maybe it does.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):
Was the last cancellation from what I've heard apparently -OQD heading home tonight.

That's good.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):
It's time the Australian Prime Minister had a real AF1.

  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:11 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):
It's time the Australian Prime Minister had a real AF1.

Dunno. Modern aircraft tend to be too bloody safe.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:16 am

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 159):
Planefinder is currently showing SQ214 PER-SIN 9V-SRQ sitting on the domestic apron after 2 rejected take off attempts
Quoting qf789 (Reply 160):
Yes that is correct just spoken to my contact at the airport and he has confirmed that though does not know why. Its back at T1 now.

Apparently due to a sensor. Was rectified and took off an hour later.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 162):
I just can't be bothered re-arguing the same things with Zeke again

I don't blame you. Having read the whole thread I restrained from replying as I couldn't bother getting into an argument.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):

I'm sure that noone here who accuses Zeke of being biased towards his employer would be even slightly biased towards their own.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):

I'm sure that noone here who accuses Zeke of being biased towards his employer would be even slightly biased towards their own. Quoting Sydscott (Reply 173):Does it matter who works for who?
No it doesn't, but when someone brings that up and implies that another member is biased because of their employer, then maybe it does.

I don't think that it matters who he works for, Zeke is obviously well qualified in many aspects of aviation. However, his biases towards certain companies, really go to the extreme at times and while he is entitle to his point of view, so is everyone on these forums. There are times when it seems that he forgets that. The thread about Jetstar Hong Kong has high lighted that there really is no objectivity on certain subjects, as far as he is concerned, he is right and that's all there is too it. Most people bang their head and give up, on that thread I chose not too and won't.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:28 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):
Was the last cancellation from what I've heard apparently -OQD heading home tonight.

That's good.

She's on her way...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:31 am

Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):It's time the Australian Prime Minister had a real AF1.


Why ?

The R.A.A.F. has perfectly good aircraft that can be used and if not charter something from QF or VA. Spend our defence dollars or sensible acquisitions please, not to pander to self important politicians, from whichever political party.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:55 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 171):
I'd love to see a successful JQ China set up

I've prevously suggested on here this should happen and got shot down by quite a number of other users even though it would be a very real option and possibility. It would give access to the Chinese market, which believe it or not, does include Hong Kong as it is a Special Administrative Regon of China. Access to HKG, by way of "mainland China", and a combination of Jetstar Asia, Jetstar Pacific and Jetstar Japan could be attainted under current bilaterals, all of which would allow HKG to be used as an inverse hub - no physical base, no aircraft based there, no Hong Kong based operating company with B- registered aircraft, just aircraft flying in from around the region into HKG then back again to either their originating airport or another within the originating country. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what the process is like for an overseas entity to setup an airline of any description in mainland China is like, but it could be worth serious conderation for AJ and co and JQ management.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:59 am

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I had a rude shock today: The Australian Way is no longer  

I always loved that magazine, and it was undoubtedly one of the best inflight magazines in the world IMHO. When I reached into my seat pocket today it took me several seconds to realise what was different. I was staring at the magazine, and something didn't look quite right, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it at first. Qantas Magazine. Da F%@#? Alan Joyce wrote something about how the new magazine "reflects what Qantas stands for in 2015" or something equally vacuous, but thankfully the content hadn't changed much, if at all, from what I could tell. It just strikes me as a real shame to lose the historic branding.

As an aside I initially thought that Spirit had also gone bye-bye. It wasn't in the seat pockets on my flight from ARM to SYD (when I made the above discovery) but, thankfully, was there for my flight from SYD to CBR. Presumably it just hadn't been loaded on that aircraft. Admittedly I alwas found that magazine slightly strange and superfluous, but discovering that both had gone in one day was probably a little more than I could handle!

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 180):
Spend our defence dollars or sensible acquisitions please, not to pander to self important politicians, from whichever political party.

I agree. The United Kingdom, among others, doesn't maintain a VIP fleet for the PM. It really boggles my mind that we have a BBJ on hand to fly ours back and forward between CBR and SYD.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

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Seems that Korean Air will launch A380 service to Sydney from December 1, 2015.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:24 am

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 180):
Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):It's time the Australian Prime Minister had a real AF1.


Why ?

The R.A.A.F. has perfectly good aircraft that can be used and if not charter something from QF or VA. Spend our defence dollars or sensible acquisitions please, not to pander to self important politicians, from whichever political party.

Why not? The government could retire 2 x B737BBJ therefore reduce costs & the A330 MRRT able to carry out both missions.

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Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):
Seems that Korean Air will launch A380 service to Sydney from December 1, 2015.

KE will also bring the 77W 25OCT15 – 30NOV15 instead of the usual A333. They usually upgauge to 744 over the Northern Winter, so must be expecting stronger demand this year - especially premium demand given the huge J cabin on their A380.
 
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Quoting aerohottie (Reply 172):
Who do you work for?
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 173):
Does it matter who works for who?
Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
No it doesn't, but when someone brings that up and implies that another member is biased because of their employer, then maybe it does.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
I'm sure that noone here who accuses Zeke of being biased towards his employer would be even slightly biased towards their own.  

Well said zkojq... was going to say the same thing...
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:59 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):
Seems that Korean Air will launch A380 service to Sydney from December 1, 2015
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 185):
KE will also bring the 77W 25OCT15 – 30NOV15 instead of the usual A333. They usually upgauge to 744 over the Northern Winter, so must be expecting stronger demand this year - especially premium demand given the huge J cabin on their A380.

After doing a dummy booking it looks like that KE will operate the A388 from 1st December 2015 to 26 March 2016. From 27 March 2016 the flight will revert back to an A333.

Seating wise their 744 seats 10F61J262Y versus the A388 12F94J301Y

In regards to the 2 ex QF A330's being converted into MRTT, as they were leased by QF from CIT will the MRTT's be leased or be bought off CIT?
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:13 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 184):

Why not? The government could retire 2 x B737BBJ therefore reduce costs & the A330 MRRT able to carry out both missions.

Honestly they don't need the BBJ's for the majority of the flying they do now, why move to something bigger and more expensive ?

I'll agree on using the 330 for longer missions, but even then it would be far cheaper to charter a VA/QF 330 and do the same thing. At least there will be a decent cabin in there for hangers on and no need for the R.A.A.F to have a V.I.P configured 330 MRTT, a waste of an aircraft.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:38 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 186):
Quoting aerohottie (Reply 172):
Who do you work for?
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 173):
Does it matter who works for who?
Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
No it doesn't, but when someone brings that up and implies that another member is biased because of their employer, then maybe it does.
Quoting zkojq (Reply 175):
I'm sure that noone here who accuses Zeke of being biased towards his employer would be even slightly biased towards their own.

Well said zkojq... was going to say the same thing...

LOL I don't think there was an implication. I don't work for an airline so I don't really have a stake in what happens but if you've ever put hard facts, backed up by links to news articles / Parliamentary speeches and legislative EM's like I have in the past which utterly refute everything he says, merely to be refuted as not knowing what you're talking about by our poster in question then I think there is a question of being too biased.
 
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Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:18 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 176):
Dunno. Modern aircraft tend to be too bloody safe.

  

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 180):
Spend our defence dollars or sensible acquisitions please, not to pander to self important politicians, from whichever political party.

A country with the size and economic prowess of Australia, deserves something a bit bigger than a lowly 737. Second hand A330s (EBI and EBH) that will primarily be used as tankers, seem like a good compromise.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 180):
Spend our defence dollars or sensible acquisitions please, not to pander to self important politicians, from whichever political party.

Wasn't the RAAF's tanker fleet going to be expanded anyway? Getting -EBH and -EBI will be cheaper than brand new A330MRTTs and the VIP configuration means that the leases on the 737s can be cancelled, so more savings.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 183):
Seems that Korean Air will launch A380 service to Sydney from December 1, 2015.

Fantastic news! What with QF, SQ, EK, EY, MH (temporarily) and now KE, SYD is starting to gain quite a few A380 services. Lets hope Asiana and Thai send theirs some day.  
Quoting qf789 (Reply 187):
In regards to the 2 ex QF A330's being converted into MRTT, as they were leased by QF from CIT will the MRTT's be leased or be bought off CIT?

Presumably the government will buy them. From a lessor's point of view, it can't be very attractive to have the aircraft converted to such a configuration, since the market for them would be limited, should the RAAF cancel the lease at any point.

..that said, the RAF leases their A330s from Air Tanker, don't they?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 123

Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:57 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 182):
I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I had a rude shock today: The Australian Way is no longer

Very sad indeed however a refreshing change https://instagram.com/p/4ktm4iQ-5V/

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 188):
Honestly they don't need the BBJ's for the majority of the flying they do now, why move to something bigger and more expensive ?

I agree the BBJ's are a waste & that's why the A330's would be able fill in for both missions.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 188):
I'll agree on using the 330 for longer missions, but even then it would be far cheaper to charter a VA/QF 330 and do the same thing. At least there will be a decent cabin in there for hangers on and no need for the R.A.A.F to have a V.I.P configured 330 MRTT, a waste of an aircraft.

Cheaper perhaps chartering a VA/QF A330 unfortunately not enough slack in their fleet at the moment.

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