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Wizz Air Buying 110 A321neos

Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:10 pm

The MoU has been signed today for 110 frames, all in 239-seat configuration. Deliveries start in 2019.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...ir-signs-for-110-a321neo-aircraft/
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:18 pm

John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights". Not that I agree with the statement..but pure Leahy style.  

Joking aside, the A321neo is becoming The plane to beat and since I don't really want to go into neo vs max territory again, let's just say that along with the 320neo they will be huge assets for Airbus for some time to come
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:26 pm

Congrats to Airbus and Wizz Air.

Now I have a question maybe somebody can answer it. At HHN, on some parking positions I saw several times last autumn this winter two 757-200 in full Wizz Air Colors. But I found no reference to them, no picture here, but I'm sure these are 757s. Could not come really near to take usable pictures. Anybody knows anything?
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights". Not that I agree with the statement..but pure Leahy style.

Yep, he always bashes Boeing.

Good news for the A320Neo program, though
 
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RE: Wizz Air Buying 110 A321neos

Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:14 pm

239 seats? Yikes! That sounds like a very small seat pitch.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:32 pm

Congrats to Airbus and Wizz Air! That's a huge order.

Quoting CalTex (Reply 4):

239 seats? Yikes! That sounds like a very small seat pitch.

Yup, sounds like a very dense config.

[Edited 2015-06-18 11:32:58]
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:08 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights". Not that I agree with the statement..but pure Leahy style.

It should. The A321neo is having an amazing run.

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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:20 pm

Quoting CalTex (Reply 4):

Between almost 200 pax in an B738MAX I ll take 239 in the 321neo anyday   These were the 2 choises
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:44 pm

Meanwhile, Boeing needs 4 years to make up its mind on whether it needs a 757 replacement...
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:53 pm

Quoting CalTex (Reply 4):

Yes it does. However they can reduce the sizes of the lavs and galleys and remove closets to get more space.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting CalTex (Reply 4):

239 seats? Yikes! That sounds like a very small seat pitch.

WIzzair use slimline seats, I flew with them earlier this year and whilst cosy, it was very much adequate.

I suspect they will also have the space flex galley/toilet configuration too. Wizzair don't serve any hot food from their BOB menu so it would make sense for them.

[Edited 2015-06-18 14:57:09]
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:58 pm

239 passengers must be a mistake... Thats even more than a Thomson 757 holds and that is tight!

The maximum configuration now is 220 with 28-29 seat pitch on the existing A321!
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:01 pm

Great news for W6! Really happy for them. Great no frills airline. Comfy enough seats for anything under 4 hours, and space isn't a problem at all for regular sized people  
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:03 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 11):

No mistake, the A321neo can be taken up to 240 max pax with the Spaceflex option
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:13 pm

The seat pitch of an A321neo at 240 seats seems to be 28", according to Leeham News:

http://leehamnews.com/2015/01/18/a32...onfigurations-and-a320-production/

Does anybody know how many it could seat at 29"?

I've experienced 28" only once (Iberia Express A320), and despite the Recaro slimline seats, it wasn't fun. Not unbearable on a two hour flight, but I was glad to get out of it again. An inch more would have really made a difference.

In contrast, the IB A321 at 31" with the same seat was downright luxurious!
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:27 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 8):
Meanwhile, Boeing needs 4 years to make up its mind on whether it needs a 757 replacement...

Seems to be the way the manufacturers move on these things. We'll be hearing about the MOM at Boeing for a few more years - minimum - before anything concrete comes of it, if anything even does.

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RE: Wizz Air Buying 110 A321neos

Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting ordell (Reply 8):
Meanwhile, Boeing needs 4 years to make up its mind on whether it needs a 757 replacement...
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 15):
Seems to be the way the manufacturers move on these things. We'll be hearing about the MOM at Boeing for a few more years - minimum - before anything concrete comes of it, if anything even does.

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I'll bet Airbus has an A322 (A321neo stretch) offering on the table before Boeing manages to present a new MOM to the market.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:38 pm

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 16):
I'll bet Airbus has an A322 (A321neo stretch) offering on the table before Boeing manages to present a new MOM to the market.

I don't think they need to have it "before". We already know it's at least been pondered from previous threads, though to what extent I couldn't say. Regardless, they can wait a until Boeing gets really serious about a new narrowbody in the mid-200 passenger range before having to say much of anything. I'm sure Boeing knows what Airbus is capable of with the A32X frame and will account for that.

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Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 14):

I got cramps just by looking at that seat map ... whoever invented the 28" slimline needs to be sent to The Hague
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:22 am

Well done to all involved. I thought that Wizzair might be one of the few A320 customers to go to Boeing.

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):

John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights". Not that I agree with the statement..but pure Leahy style.

I really with that JL had a twitter account. It would be hilarious.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 15):
Seems to be the way the manufacturers move on these things. We'll be hearing about the MOM at Boeing for a few more years - minimum - before anything concrete comes of it, if anything even does.

Better for Boeing to hold of on launch for a few years to get their research right, than to launch an aircraft that has limited market appeal.

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 16):
I'll bet Airbus has an A322 (A321neo stretch) offering on the table before Boeing manages to present a new MOM to the market.

I hope that we will see an A322 launched within the next five to eight years. For now though, launching an A322 might risk cannibalizing the A321neo to some extent, so best to wait a few years for the backlog to get cleared.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 18):
got cramps just by looking at that seat map ... whoever invented the 28" slimline needs to be sent to The Hague

I agree whole heartily with you on this!

That's about twice as many aircraft as they have now.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights". Not that I agree with the statement..but pure Leahy style.

I'm really growing to hate this guy. Despite the fact he may be right, it is an incredibly foolish thing to say as a "representative" of a major aerospace company. It's nothing short of a nanny nanny boo boo statement. He's nothing short of a used car salesman.

That said, congrats to the A321neo program.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:13 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):

He is definetely not politically correct but then again if we were to rate him on skill and effectiveness then he gets an A+ in my book. He got Airbus from "somewhere" to "everywhere" and he is a rock star. From a special report on Reuters:

THE MAN BOEING LOVES TO HATE DESPITE PERIODIC PRICE WARS, in a duopoly like Airbus and Boeing’s there is rarely much to choose between the two companies even when it comes down to price, airline executives say. Leahy’s strength is his ability to think fast on his feet and see the next move from a new angle. He has outlasted seven
Boeing sales chiefs -- not to mention five Airbus CEOs -- giving him a level of influence and autonomy that his opponents can only dream of.
He is also a polarising figure, a showman whose baiting of “our friends in Seattle” infuriates many at Boeing. To critics, Leahy rides the coat-tails of European support for the aircraft industry. Officials at Boeing also make no secret of their belief that he instructs his teams to slash prices to win deals. Boeing’s weekly sales meeting in Seattle used to kick
off with a slide of a cartoon asking “Where’s Leahy?” The U.S. company even hired an actor to play him at a sales conference to fire up his opponents. “John was the guy that at Boeing we loved to hate and we blamed him
for a lot of the losses that we experienced against him,” former Boeing sales chief Toby
Bright told Reuters


Google "The man who sold the sky" if you want to read the whole pdf. Cannot post the link  

But enough about Leahy  
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 19):

I hope that we will see an A322 launched within the next five to eight years. For now though, launching an A322 might risk cannibalizing the A321neo to some extent, so best to wait a few years for the backlog to get cleared.

Somehow I don't see an A322 coming. The MOM concept that Boeing is starting to float around is something that probably came after they saw that they got little to offer (if any) between the MAX9/A321neo and the A338/788 sizes. The momentum that the 321neo has gathered is unbelievable (I don't even think Airbus expected this kind of "off the shelves" success that it is enjoying), and this is classical first phase of P.R. damage control. You slither from "No comment/We are happy where we stand" to "we re looking at it/we are studying it" in a matter of days. Airbus does it too of course.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:22 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):

I'm really growing to hate this guy. Despite the fact he may be right, it is an incredibly foolish thing to say as a "representative" of a major aerospace company. It's nothing short of a nanny nanny boo boo statement. He's nothing short of a used car salesman.

Even the jammiest of used car salesmen would get my respect if they sold over 9000 used cars and upstaged the big one in their careers, never mind someone who sells that many brand new airliners. He may act like a tw*t, but it's easy publicity for Airbus, and the fact is that he sells aircraft, and airlines are almost universally happy with that he sells them. It's a tit for tat war and Leahy never misses an opportunity to 'tit'.

Back on topic, good news for the all-conquering A321neo, as common as they will eventually be, I like A321s and I hope to see airlines being brave with them. LGW-JFK please!
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:36 am

Guys, don't you have the slightest bit of humor? You really think Ray Conner feels insulted now?

Give it a rest...
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):

Not like Randy Tinseth is any better. Leahy talks big game and he can back it up.
 
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RE: Wizz Air Buying 110 A321neos

Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:21 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):
John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights".

That's a zinger!   

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):
I'm really growing to hate this guy.

He could care less as a customer signs another contract. His comment is simply a riposte to Boeing's ludicrous claim that the A321neo is just 'trying to catch up with the 739'.

Quoting A342 (Reply 24):
Guys, don't you have the slightest bit of humor?

Apparently not.   


Anyway, congrats to Airbus & Wizz as the A321 racks up yet more orders.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:55 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):
Despite the fact he may be right, it is an incredibly foolish thing to say as a "representative" of a major aerospace company. It's nothing short of a nanny nanny boo boo statement. He's nothing short of a used car salesman.

Well, he is the best in the business, and that for a long period of time. Nobody has sold more airliners in the world than John Leahy has done. And such talk is all part of the game, just as his competitors do....

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
He could care less as a customer signs another contract. His comment is simply a riposte to Boeing's ludicrous claim that the A321neo is just 'trying to catch up with the 739'.

Now that is an example of a real lubricous claim since all the facts are speaking against that claim. But like I said, it is all part of the sales game. We "A-nutters" might remember those remarks, the general public won't. That is to say that they had to be observant enough in the first place to notice such remarks.  .

So this one is another which goes in the books for Airbus under John Leahy. A phenomenon by himself, but the product he is selling must be extremely good otherwise one can not sustain such a long successful string of sales.  
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 13):
No mistake, the A321neo can be taken up to 240 max pax with the Spaceflex option

IIRC the 240 pax config implies BOTH SpaceFlex and the new door configuration (door 2 removed and replaced by overving exits). The SpaceFlex will only give you one more row, not enough for 240.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 11):
239 passengers must be a mistake... Thats even more than a Thomson 757 holds and that is tight!
The maximum configuration now is 220 with 28-29 seat pitch on the existing A321!

Unfortunately not a mistake. This is the future of European air travel...   

Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 16):
I'll bet Airbus has an A322 (A321neo stretch) offering on the table before Boeing manages to present a new MOM to the market.

No need to act as long as you have the market to yourself; at least the is the current line of thinking. Furthermore, an A322 would need a new wing - the current A321 wing is maxed out as it is. So I don't see it happening anytime soon, and certainly not before MOM.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:20 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 11):
239 passengers must be a mistake... Thats even more than a Thomson 757 holds and that is tight!

The maximum configuration now is 220 with 28-29 seat pitch on the existing A321!

240 will actually be the new max on the 321neo.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 2):

Those stored 757s in HHN are ex Vim from Russia.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:55 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 22):
Google "The man who sold the sky" if you want to read the whole pdf. Cannot post the link

Thanks for that, I may have to check that out.

I still stand by my statement though, no one likes a sore winner.
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Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:06 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 14):
Does anybody know how many it could seat at 29"?

228, some of them even in 30" ....

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 29):
240 will actually be the new max on the 321neo.

be preparedone to see more than that, Airbus is working on that.

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Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:15 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 28):
No need to act as long as you have the market to yourself; at least the is the current line of thinking. Furthermore, an A322 would need a new wing - the current A321 wing is maxed out as it is. So I don't see it happening anytime soon, and certainly not before MOM.

No need for it now. If Boeing commits to the MOM, that would be the time to do it and beat to MOM to market.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 32):
Quoting A342 (Reply 14):
Does anybody know how many it could seat at 29"?

228, some of them even in 30" ....

Thank you. Is there a publicly available source?

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 32):
be preparedone to see more than that, Airbus is working on that.

27" pitch, similar to the 195 seat A320 concept?   
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Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):
I'm really growing to hate this guy. Despite the fact he may be right, it is an incredibly foolish thing to say as a "representative" of a major aerospace company. It's nothing short of a nanny nanny boo boo statement. He's nothing short of a used car salesman.

And a New York city born and raised used car salesman to boot! Whatcha expecting??
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 34):
Thank you. Is there a publicly available source?

not that I am aware.

Quoting A342 (Reply 34):
27" pitch, similar to the 195 seat A320 concept?

For 174-180 seats, they can still sell the other 66 to 72 seats as 28" economy premium. Or the first three rows at 31" ....

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Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:50 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 36):
For 174-180 seats, they can still sell the other 66 to 72 seats as 28" economy premium. Or the first three rows at 31"

So there's a plan for 246 seats? I'm all for efficiency, but it has its limits in this case...

Why not go all the way to 250? No galleys, one lav is enough  
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Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:40 pm

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):
He's nothing short of a used car salesman.

Wow......

Rare praise indeed from a fellow American.

Leahy, is many things, but he is also one of the most successful Sales Executives in the history of human endeavour.

All these brainless statements prove one thing to me; Boeing would have loved to have had him batting for their team.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting SelseyBill (Reply 38):
Leahy, is many things, but he is also one of the most successful Sales Executives in the history of human endeavour.

He sure is. His record is exceptional and undisputed. All the brainless statements are probably just driven by jealousy....
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:03 am

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 39):
All the brainless statements are probably just driven by jealousy....

There's that I'm sure but he also sometimes just comes off as tacky. Of course, when the tacky yet successful salesman is on your team, it's easy to overlook it. When they're on the other team, it just rubs you wrong sometimes.

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Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:01 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 40):

He comes off that way, but he does have tons of respect for Boeing and their products. The 777-300ER in particular has given him lots of challenges.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:41 am

Quoting Cassi (Thread starter):
all in 239-seat configuration.

My knees already hurt.   But if there is a market.

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 1):

John Leahy: "A321neo..the plane that keeps Ray Conner up at nights". Not that I agree with the statement..but pure Leahy style.

The A321NEO is doing well. Boeing will have to adapt as the 739 only seats 220. For this order, I would be surprised if 19 seats didn't make a difference.

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 13):
No mistake, the A321neo can be taken up to 240 max pax with the Spaceflex option

Which begs the question, which seat wasn't installed and why?

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Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:58 am

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 21):
He's nothing short of a used car salesman.

I can't even begin to imagine how inadequate that comment make the whole of the Boeing sales team feel...

Ouch!

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Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:52 pm

I have read in several industry articles about the general lower quality of orders this year such as Garuda. But the Whizz order takes it to a new level. Whizz operates a fleet of 61 aircraft with an average age of 3.1 years and now has 150 frames on order. What a joke
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting racercoup (Reply 44):
What a joke

you may want to read Ryanairs 20ü2 report. With 42 ac in the fleet, 107 on order and 50 options.

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Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting racercoup (Reply 44):
Whizz

Wizz.

Quoting racercoup (Reply 44):
What a joke

Seems to always be US members who seem outraged and perplexed at how any non-US airline could grow. MEB3, anyone? My God!
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting racercoup (Reply 44):
I have read in several industry articles about the general lower quality of orders this year such as Garuda. But the Whizz order takes it to a new level. Whizz operates a fleet of 61 aircraft with an average age of 3.1 years and now has 150 frames on order. What a joke

What's wrong with them expanding? They're a Point-to-Point airline with bases all across Eastern Europe, so the planes simply go to new bases that are small or unopened. If they can pay for the aircraft and make money with them, I don't see the issue.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:42 pm

Quoting racercoup (Reply 44):

I have read in several industry articles about the general lower quality of orders this year such as Garuda. But the Whizz order takes it to a new level. Whizz operates a fleet of 61 aircraft with an average age of 3.1 years and now has 150 frames on order. What a joke

Is it deja vu, or did you already make a comment similar to this in another thread? Are you THAT salty?
 
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RE: Wizz Air Buying 110 A321neos

Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting racercoup (Reply 44):

What makes it a joke?
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