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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:45 am

KarelXWB wrote:
NG263 wrote:
There is also LN1437 left. That one has basically no hours and is only 3.5 years old. Any chance for UPS to pick that one up aswel?


Unlikely as LN 1437 is overweight and built to a different customer standard. Why would UPS take an oddball in the fleet? Same reason why LH never took LN 1435.

So Boeing would rather take a write-off of ~$150M than spend whatever it takes to bring the aircraft up to a customer's spec and sell it? I don't understand why this is better for Boeing. A sale is a sale, and even losing money is surely better than writing it off.
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:59 am

audidudi wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
NG263 wrote:
There is also LN1437 left. That one has basically no hours and is only 3.5 years old. Any chance for UPS to pick that one up aswel?


Unlikely as LN 1437 is overweight and built to a different customer standard. Why would UPS take an oddball in the fleet? Same reason why LH never took LN 1435.

So Boeing would rather take a write-off of ~$150M than spend whatever it takes to bring the aircraft up to a customer's spec and sell it? I don't understand why this is better for Boeing. A sale is a sale, and even losing money is surely better than writing it off.


If it takes more than that amount to bring it up to customer spec, or if, as is probably the case here, the frame can't be brought far enough back to production spec, then why would a customer take it? Beyond that, there is only so much that Boeing can do to try to sell it. All potential customers know the status of the frame, so it isn't like they can try to sneak it by on someone.
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:16 pm

audidudi wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
NG263 wrote:
There is also LN1437 left. That one has basically no hours and is only 3.5 years old. Any chance for UPS to pick that one up aswel?


Unlikely as LN 1437 is overweight and built to a different customer standard. Why would UPS take an oddball in the fleet? Same reason why LH never took LN 1435.

So Boeing would rather take a write-off of ~$150M than spend whatever it takes to bring the aircraft up to a customer's spec and sell it? I don't understand why this is better for Boeing. A sale is a sale, and even losing money is surely better than writing it off.


Boeing can bring it up to customer specification, but the overweight remains. The newer frames are more efficient.
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:30 pm

audidudi wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
NG263 wrote:
There is also LN1437 left. That one has basically no hours and is only 3.5 years old. Any chance for UPS to pick that one up aswel?


Unlikely as LN 1437 is overweight and built to a different customer standard. Why would UPS take an oddball in the fleet? Same reason why LH never took LN 1435.

So Boeing would rather take a write-off of ~$150M than spend whatever it takes to bring the aircraft up to a customer's spec and sell it? I don't understand why this is better for Boeing. A sale is a sale, and even losing money is surely better than writing it off.


gennadius has already noted that it can be more expensive to sell it than to write-it off. Boeing can also scrap it for (effectively) new spares and make more money selling it on in pieces to existing operators. :)


KarelXWB wrote:
Boeing can bring it up to customer specification, but the overweight remains. The newer frames are more efficient.


They are, but with the higher operating weights all the frames have been certified for, LN 1437 would still be an excellent performer compared to a 747-400 and not any worse than her overweight peers. AirBridgeCargo took one of her sisters, so maybe they will eventually take 1437.
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:57 pm

But he is wrong. LN1437 wont be expensive to customer modify, she was reworked to full specification already. Cash was burned then.
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:18 pm

LN 1535, customer unknown, got its engines installed.

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:57 am

Is 1535 no longer scheduled to go to Atlas Air?
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:55 am

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Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (November 01 - 2016)
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Updates from previous listing (October 01 - 2016) :
- Firing Order sequence change : NIL
- Added to Firing order : L/N 1543-RC609
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : NIL
- First (B1) Flight : NIL
- Delivered : NIL
- Ferried into storage : L/N 1523-RC077 (KSKF)
- Ferried out of storage : NIL


Boeing is up to now producing 747-8’s at a rate of 0,5 per month, a planned return to one per month in 2019 has been cancelled.

- The 747-8 FAL is only partly occupied: Slant position #1 is used for travelled work (mostly 767 aircraft), L/N 1538 is still at slant position #2, L/N 1539 moved at October 27 into the final body join position, Wing assembly for L/N 1540 is just starting.
- Headline of the last month is the order for 14 UPS 747-8F aircraft plus options for another 14
- The first two UPS aircraft will be delivered late 2017.
- In the most recent firing order (up to L/N 1543) no UPS deliveries are included, perhaps one delivery slot may be sequential changed.
- According Leeham News three 747-8I aircraft will be produced for the USAF, the first "green aircraft will be delivered in October 2017. (L/N 1544 ?) , see : http://leehamnews.com/2016/10/31/ups-or ... line-2020/
- All 747-8 aircraft after L/N 1533 are not indicated anymore at the FAA 747 Type Certificate with a Boeing customer code, only 2 subvariants are used : 747-8 and 748F



Indicated are :
- Not delivered (or stored) aircraft
- Aircraft delivered last 2 months (marked #)
- Two already delivered, but not active VIP aircraft are indicated and marked @.
- One Air China passenger aircraft was redelivered in October after VIP conversion at Lufthansa Technik, marked $

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118 Completed airframes , Delivered 109, Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (24), 2014 (19), 2015 (18), 2016 (8)
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L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Resumed additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates) at May 20 2013, flight testing out of San Bernadino (KBSD) from May 26, returned to Moses Lake at June 18 for additional low altitude tests, from June 28 at Inca Manco Cápac Intl. airport Peru (JUL/SPJL) for high altitude airport tests, returned to Moses Lake via Houston at July 10, latest flight tests are flown from Boeing Field and Moses Lake, Refurbishment to production standard at KPAE completed. Re-registered at December 12 2014 : N828BA. Flown to Marana (KMZJ) for storage at May 21 2015. Rumours are that the aircraft will be used for testing of several of the new Airforce One specially designed sub-systems.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852, aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, Used for (FAA)test flights (FMS software update verification flights?) from September 19 till/incl. November 21, Ferried to Boeing Field (KBFI) at November 22, Returned to KPAE at December 20. Emerged from the 45-05 paint hangar with a special “ Seattle Seahawks “livery at January 29 2014. The Seattle Seahawks logos are removed in May 2014. Ferried to Victorville (KVCV) at July 01 2014 for “engine work”. Returned to Paine Field at September 10 2014. Ferried to Marana (KMZJ) at November 12 2014.

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Delivery date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Was stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. Aircraft for sale by Atlas Aviation Sales & Leasing LLC (Florida), see : http://www.atlasaviations.com/2012_747-800_NEW.php

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, Delivery date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, Aircraft modification is delayed by up to 10 months following identification of quality problems. Expected delivery end of 2016.

L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5, RC009, serial number 37501, ordered for the UAE Presidential Flight, Boeing operator identification code : ABD , N974BA, future registration A6-PFB , white livery, roll out date January 21 2014, F/F February 19 2014, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) at March 12 2014, order seems to be cancelled in September 2016.

$ L/N 1510 - 747-89L, RC069, serial number 41193, B-2479, Air China #4, full livery, roll out date November 04 2014, F/F November 26 2014, Delivery date December 29 2014, delivery flight (CCA79-ZBAA) date 30 December 2014. Ferried to Lufthansa Technik Hamburg for VIP modification (Chinese “ Air Force One”) at May 24 2015. Re-delivery flight (CCA88 EDDH-ZBAA) October 07 2016.

L/N 1519 - 747-85M, RC076, serial number 42416, Transaero Airlines #1 NTU, EI-MOW, N894BA, white livery, KPAE, roll-out May 12 2015, used for the Boeing Everett Family Day static display at August 21.

L/N 1523 - 747-85M, RC077, serial number 42417, Transaero Airlines #2 NTU, EI-TSO, N895BA, owner : Boeing Company, white livery, roll-out August ?? 2015, F/F July 08 2016. Ferried to Boeing Field (KBFI) at July 12 to join the Boeing 100th anniversary, returned to Paine Field at July 18. Ferried to Lackland AFB (KSKF) at October 14 2016.

L/N 1528 - 747-8B5F, RC661, serial number 37653, KAL Cargo #7, N6018N, HL7639, KPAE flight line, full livery, roll out without engines at December 11 2015, rolled back at FAL slant position #1 at June 14, re-emerged with engines installed at June 30, F/F July 15 2016, ferried to Portland (PDX) for paint at July 17, returned at July 27, Scheduled delivery : December 2016.

L/N 1533 - 747-83QF, RC644, serial number 62709, test registration N55077, Silkway West Airlines #5, KPAE , unpainted with dark blue rudders, roll-out April 14 2016. Rolled back at slant position #1 at April 25 for travelled work. Rolled out for the second time at May 08. F/F tentative scheduled for first week of November, Scheduled Delivery December 01 2016

# L/N 1534 - 747-8(R7)F, RC514, serial number 38076, Cargolux #14, test registration N5016R, LX-VCN, full livery, roll-out May 15/16 2016 without engines, engines are installed at building 40-22 at the last week of of August 2016, F/F September 07 2016, ferried to Victorville for paint by Leading Edge Aviation at September 10 , returned at September 20 , Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KLAX-EGPK-ELLX)date September 29 2016,

L/N 1535 - 747-8(7U)F, RC651, serial number 63199, The Boeing Company, test registration N1785B, KPAE, unpainted with white rudders, roll-out without engines at June 14 2016, second roll-out October 25 2016 after engine installation

# L/N 1536 - 747-8(7U)F, RC652, serial number 63378, VP-BBL, lessor Boeing Capital, leased to AirBridgeCargo LLC , full livery , roll out July 18 2016, F/F September 02, Delivered September 27 2016, Delivery flight (ABW101-KSEA) date October 07 2016.

L/N 1537 - 747-8(B5), RC058, serial number 60409, KAL (intercontinental) #8, unpainted with light blue rudders,no engines, KPAE, roll out September 20 2016, estimated delivery date April 21 2017.

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At this moment : three (3) 747-8 airframes at Final Assembly Line (FAL), Everett building 40-22
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Slant position #1 , used for travelled work at B767’s.
L/N 1538 - 747-8(B5), RC059, serial number 60410, KAL (intercontinental) #9, estimated delivery date May 19 2017, slant position #2
L/N 1539 - 747-8(B5), RC060, serial number 60411, KAL (intercontinental) #10, estimated delivery date July 03 2017, final body join position
L/N 1540 - 747-8(HV)F, RC606, serial number 63659, AirBridgeCargo, VP-BBP, estimated delivery date March 21 2017. wing/body join position

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Firing order : 4 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change)
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L/N 1541 - 747-8(HV)F, RC607, serial number 63781, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date September 01 2017
L/N 1542 - 747-8(HV)F, RC608, serial number 63784, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date December 21 2017.
L/N 1543 – 747-8(HV)F, RC609, ABC ?, Boeing operator identification code 645.
L/N 1544 - 747-8XX , RC 459 USAF ?

? = Not confirmed , only one source.
XX = Boeing customer code not yet identified.

I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.
Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:19 am

L/N 1541 - 747-8(HV)F, RC607, serial number 63781, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date September 01 2017
L/N 1542 - 747-8(HV)F, RC608, serial number 63784, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date December 21 2017.
L/N 1543 – 747-8(HV)F, RC609, ABC ?, Boeing operator identification code 645.


So where does UPS fit in?
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:43 am

KarelXWB wrote:
L/N 1541 - 747-8(HV)F, RC607, serial number 63781, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date September 01 2017 L/N 1542 - 747-8(HV)F, RC608, serial number 63784, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date December 21 2017 L/N 1543 – 747-8(HV)F, RC609, ABC ?, Boeing operator identification code 645.
So where does UPS fit in?


As stated in the Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (November 01 - 2016)

747classic wrote:
- The first two UPS aircraft will be delivered late 2017.- In the most recent firing order (up to L/N 1543) no UPS deliveries are included, perhaps one delivery slot may be sequential changed.


or the indicated ABC aircraft may be produced in advance during the first half of 2017 and stored until the delivery date.
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:46 am

Thanks.

Maybe LN 1535 is a good candidate to end up in the UPS fleet?
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:40 am

In the last year plus, the 747 line has gotten some fresh life breathed into it. There is the 20 frame commitment from ABC, 14 frame order with 14 options from UPS and now 3 orders from the USAF. I understand that ABC might not take up all 20, but overall since 2016 began the 747 gained a potential of 37 frames give or take a few ABC that might have already been built! 37 orders for a VLA that has been pronounced dead several times flies directly in the face of all analysts predictions! At a .5 production rate, the Queen may now be able to stretch into the next decade whe most of the worlds 747-400F fleet will be tiring out.
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:51 pm

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L/N 1533 - 747-83QF, RC644, serial number 62709, test registration N55077, Silkway West Airlines #5, KPAE , unpainted with dark blue rudders, roll-out April 14 2016. Rolled back at slant position #1 at April 25 for travelled work. Rolled out for the second time at May 08. F/F tentative scheduled for first week of November, Scheduled Delivery December 01 2016


L/N 1533 performed 2 taxi tests and is currently holding on Alpha waiting for better Wx for a B1 flight.

KPAE, N55077, November 01 2016
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Original uploaded by Chris Edwards on Twitter, see : http://twitter.com/woody2190/status/793522553352441857

The flightplan for the B1 flight towards Moses Lake with callsign BOE644 has been filed : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE6 ... /KPAE/KMWH
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:29 pm

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L/N 1533 performed 2 taxi tests and is currently holding on Alpha waiting for better Wx for a B1 flight.


L/N 1533's B1 flight was cancelled due weather at November 01

Today (November 02) a new effort was made :

First (B1) flight of L/N 1533 with callsign BOE644, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE6 ... /KPAE/KMWH

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Also L/N 1519, N894BA, Transaero #1 NTU just departed Paine Field for her first (B1) flight with callsign BOE76, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE7 ... /KPAE/KMWH

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This aircraft will also be ferried towards Lackland AFB for storage (or for new customer change requirements ?).

Both pictures original uploaded by Chris Edwards on Twitter, see : http://twitter.com/woody2190
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:25 am

I'm hoping with the new orders they will try and implement what was formerly project Ozark...
 
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Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:41 am

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I'm hoping with the new orders they will try and implement what was formerly project Ozark...


Sorry, but can I ask what project Ozark means?
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:11 am

Mumrik wrote:
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I'm hoping with the new orders they will try and implement what was formerly project Ozark...


Sorry, but can I ask what project Ozark means?


Some of those improvements were incorporated already I believe. Others that were part of Ozark, as well as the range target of 8200 nm that the original variant was supposed to have before the increased stretch, were waiting on some commitments from customers that didn't come through a couple of years ago it seems. Perhaps the UPS order will breathe new life into some of these possibilities.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... er-400464/
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Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:12 am

Boeing would be mad to pour more money into R&D for the 747 platform at this stage. Forget about anything but software updates and maybe PIPs for the engines.
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Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:16 pm

L/N 1533, N55077, for Silkway West Airlines , ferry flight towards Portland (PDX) for paint, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE6 ... /KPAE/KPDX

KPAE, L/N1533, November 04 2016
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Aircraft data : L/N 1533 - 747-83QF, RC644, serial number 62709, test registration N55077, Silkway West Airlines #5, unpainted with dark blue rudders, roll-out April 14 2016. Rolled back at slant position #1 at April 25 for travelled work. Rolled out for the second time at May 08. F/F November 02 2016, Ferried to KPDX for paint at November 04, Scheduled Delivery December 01 2016
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Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:29 pm

Question, with the 748 line running at 0.5 frames per month,

Does that mean the 747 line operated say one shift a day?

I assume that rate is slow enough they don't need folks working
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A new customer for the 747-8F


Among the present customers (13) of Intrepid Aviation are only two large 744F operators : EVA Air and Asiana.


The customer page of Intrepid Aviation has been updated : now indicating 14 Customers with AirBridgeCargo (Volga Dnepr Group) added, see : http://intrepidaviation.com/customers

Consequently : The two 747-8F aircraft ordered by Intrepid Aviation will be long term leased to ABC. (and are part of the total oder of 20 747-8F aircraft)
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747classic wrote:
747classic wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
A new customer for the 747-8F


Among the present customers (13) of Intrepid Aviation are only two large 744F operators : EVA Air and Asiana.


The customer page of Intrepid Aviation has been updated : now indicating 14 Customers with AirBridgeCargo (Volga Dnepr Group) added, see : http://intrepidaviation.com/customers

Consequently : The two 747-8F aircraft ordered by Intrepid Aviation will be long term leased to ABC. (and are part of the total oder of 20 747-8F aircraft)


Nice find! I was hopeful that it was Asiana revisiting their order that was speculated almost two years ago, but clearly Intrepid will be taking two of the upcoming frames instead of Boeing Capital.
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Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:37 pm

Firing Order Change :

L/N 1543 (RC609-Mystery customer with Boeing operator identification code 645) and L/N 1544 (Air force one ?) have been allocated to UPS :

L/N 1543, 747-8(4A)F, RC531, UPS

L/N 1544, 747-8(4A)F, RC532, UPS

No deliveries in November, two deliveries scheduled for December (L/N 1533 and L/N 1528).
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Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:43 pm

I'm surprised Boeing hasn't made an offer to sell 1435 to Atlas Air.
for their passenger charter ops.

With UA and DL phasing out their 744's, there might still be a demand
for large pax charter flights for the military, not to mention college
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:18 am

Sooner787 wrote:
I'm surprised Boeing hasn't made an offer to sell 1435 to Atlas Air for their passenger charter ops.


Maybe they have an Atlas has said no.


Sooner787 wrote:
With UA and DL phasing out their 744's, there might still be a demand for large pax charter flights for the military, not to mention college football teams and their bands and fans.


Well those 747-400s would be a heck of a lot cheaper for someone like Atlas to buy to continue that role than LN 1435.
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:27 am

Stitch wrote:
Sooner787 wrote:
I'm surprised Boeing hasn't made an offer to sell 1435 to Atlas Air for their passenger charter ops.


Maybe they have an Atlas has said no.


Sooner787 wrote:
With UA and DL phasing out their 744's, there might still be a demand for large pax charter flights for the military, not to mention college football teams and their bands and fans.


Well those 747-400s would be a heck of a lot cheaper for someone like Atlas to buy to continue that role than LN 1435.


Remember new planes pay for themselves through efficient and high utilisation rates. Having a brand new 748i sit around makes no economic sense especially when 744s are cheap and the fuel is cheap right now.
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:01 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Thanks.

Maybe LN 1535 is a good candidate to end up in the UPS fleet?


Thanks for many good updates in the last week or so. Strange that 1535 is still unallocated after so much else has been clarified.

The UPS order is amazing in that even if they end up as the only customer ( and apart from them the official orderbook is effectively empty ) there is the potential for 56 months of further production at current rates !!

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:58 am

It seems that LN1528 Korean Airlines Cargo #7 has been pulled out of tower storage and is back on the flightline (scheduled delivery December 2016):

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no more visible on the tower apron:

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:02 am

L/N 1519, N894BA, Transaero NTU is scheduled for a ferry flight towards Lackland AFB ( Kelly Field annex - KSKF) at November 15.

See Matt Cawby's twitter : http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/798408905432989696

Aircraft data : L/N 1519 - 747-85M , RC076, serial number 42416, Transaero Airlines #1 NTU, EI-MOW, N894BA, owner : Boeing Company, white livery, KPAE , roll-out May 12 2015, F/F November 02 2016
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:16 pm

L/N 1533, VQ-BBM returned to Paine Field from Portland after paint.

VQ-BBM, KPAE, November 15 2016
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See also : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE6 ... /KPDX/KPAE
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:20 pm

Boeing 644 rotating in front of the PDX control tower heading back to PAE. Fresh out of paint and some sun !
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:04 pm

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L/N 1519, N894BA, Transaero NTU is scheduled for a ferry flight towards Lackland AFB ( Kelly Field annex - KSKF) at November 15.



The ferry flight was cancelled at November 15. Today (November 16) L/N 1519 departed towards Lackland AFB.

See : http://twitter.com/woody2190/status/798913818520731648
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:01 am

Off Topic: Why would Lackland AFB be used for storage with it's humid climate?
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:19 am

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Off Topic: Why would Lackland AFB be used for storage with it's humid climate?


Boeing has a commercial and military MRO facility in Lackland and I also believe they do VIP outfitting work there.
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:04 am

Stitch wrote:
karungguni wrote:
Off Topic: Why would Lackland AFB be used for storage with it's humid climate?


Boeing has a commercial and military MRO facility in Lackland and I also believe they do VIP outfitting work there.

Could it be Boeing will start working on the new AF1, using this frame? I realize the new AF1 will have many unique features which would make it easier if it was to be produced as a new built aircraft. OTOH, a recent Leeham article talked about the first new AF1 delivery in Q3 2017 already...
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Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:21 am

Another view of Boeing 644 fresh out of paint taxiing out on Bravo taxiway. Some ominous looking clouds and a slight rainbow !
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:32 am

frigatebird wrote:
Stitch wrote:
karungguni wrote:
Off Topic: Why would Lackland AFB be used for storage with it's humid climate?


Boeing has a commercial and military MRO facility in Lackland and I also believe they do VIP outfitting work there.

Could it be Boeing will start working on the new AF1, using this frame? I realize the new AF1 will have many unique features which would make it easier if it was to be produced as a new built aircraft. OTOH, a recent Leeham article talked about the first new AF1 delivery in Q3 2017 already...


AF1 most likely won't be a ntu passenger frame. It's not just the electrical components that need to be installed in the plane, but also all the reinforcements for the fuselage. Q3 2017 for the new AF1 seems way to fast, I thought 2025 was mentioned as the year the new AF1 would have it's EIS.
 
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:10 pm

JeremyB wrote:

AF1 most likely won't be a ntu passenger frame. It's not just the electrical components that need to be installed in the plane, but also all the reinforcements for the fuselage. Q3 2017 for the new AF1 seems way to fast, I thought 2025 was mentioned as the year the new AF1 would have it's EIS.


According the quoted Leeham News article the first Airforce One aircraft would be dlivered "green " in October 2017 and the airframe would have been first stored.. Further outfitting will take several years.

This delivery date however was set, before the UPS order was implemented at the firing order.

Now the delivery date has been pushed backward and no assembly slot has been allocated to an AF1 airframe UFN.

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It is possible to use an available new built 747-8I airline airframe to produce a successor for the present VC-25A, however the modification time and costs would increase. It's a trade-off between (reduced) purchase costs and the (increased) modification costs.

More easy to modify would be a 747-8I/BBJ airframe, because these are built according a different standard, with provisions for an overhead aeroloft and special attachment points for an elevator installation from the maindeck to tarmac level.

Detailed 747-8 Basic number info :

- The basic number identifies the standard ( basic) design of an airplane model.
- This indicator is made up from one letter and four numbers.
- The letter indicates the type of aircraft. (P= 737, Y = 737NG, R = 747, V =767, W=777, Z=787)
- The numbers are sequential, according assembly, different (sub) standards are listed into number blocks.
- For the 747-8 series :
R8001 and further (end-number not specified yet) = 747-8 Intercontinental, airline variant
R8401 and further (end-number not specified yet) = 747-8 Intercontinental, BBJ variant.
R8901 and further (end-number not specified yet) = 747-8 Freighter.

Examples :

L/N 1434, the first 747-8I, BBJ variant, is build according master drawing R8401, variable number RC001 (State of Kuwait)
L/N 1435, the first 747-8I, airline variant, is build according master drawing R8001, variable number RC021 (Lufthansa)
L/N 1439, the second 747-8I, BBJ variant, is build according master drawing R8402, variable number RC002 (Qatar Amiri Flight )
L/N 1443, the second 747-8I, airline variant, is build according master drawing R8002, variable number RC022 (Lufthansa)
etc.
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:20 pm

HL7639 back on the flightline, engine wrap has been partly removed:

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:50 am

L/N 1538 emerged from the FAL last week (November 22 ?) and was first parked behind the Delivery Center.

Now both Korean 747-8I's are parked (stored) at the tower apron.

L/N1537, HL7642 (left) and L/N1538, HL7643 (right), KPAE, November 29.

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:04 am

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Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (December 01 - 2016)
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Updates from previous listing (November 01 - 2016) :

- Firing Order sequence change : L/N 1543-RC531, L/N 1544-RC532
- Added to Firing order : NIL
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1538-RC059
- First (B1) Flight : L/N 1533-RC644, L/N 1519 - RC076
- Delivered : NIL
- Ferried into storage : L/N 1519- RC076 (KSKF)
- Ferried out of storage : NIL

Boeing is up to now producing 747-8’s at a rate of 0,5 per month, a planned return to one per month in 2019 has been cancelled.

- 747-8 production has been very slow, no more roll-outs are expected before 2017.
- FAL slant positions #1 and #2 are also used for travelled work (mostly 767 or KC46A aircraft.
- L/N 1539 has just been moved to slant position #2, The final body join position is empty. Wing/body join assembly for L/N 1540 is proceeding slowly.
- Two 747-8 aircraft are scheduled for delivery in December : L/N 1533 and L/N 1528
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119 Completed airframes , Delivered 109 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (24), 2014 (19), 2015 (18), 2016 (8)
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Indicated are :
- Not delivered (or stored) aircraft
- Aircraft delivered last 3 months (marked #)
- Two already delivered, but not active VIP aircraft are indicated and marked @.
- One Air China passenger aircraft was redelivered in October after VIP conversion at Lufthansa Technik, marked $
- All 747-8 aircraft after L/N 1533 are not indicated anymore at the FAA 747 Type Certificate with a Boeing customer code, only 2 subvariants are used : 747-8 and 748F. The boeing customer code after L/N 1533 are still indicated between ()

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Resumed additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates) at May 20 2013, flight testing out of San Bernadino (KBSD) from May 26, returned to Moses Lake at June 18 for additional low altitude tests, from June 28 at Inca Manco Cápac Intl. airport Peru (JUL/SPJL) for high altitude airport tests, returned to Moses Lake via Houston at July 10, latest flight tests are flown from Boeing Field and Moses Lake, Refurbishment to production standard at KPAE completed. Re-registered at December 12 2014 : N828BA. Flown to Marana (KMZJ) for storage at May 21 2015. Rumours are that the aircraft will be used for testing of several of the new Airforce One specially designed sub-systems.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852, aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, Used for (FAA)test flights (FMS software update verification flights?) from September 19 till/incl. November 21, Ferried to Boeing Field (KBFI) at November 22, Returned to KPAE at December 20. Emerged from the 45-05 paint hangar with a special “ Seattle Seahawks “livery at January 29 2014. The Seattle Seahawks logos are removed in May 2014. Ferried to Victorville (KVCV) at July 01 2014 for “engine work”. Returned to Paine Field at September 10 2014. Ferried to Marana (KMZJ) at November 12 2014.

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Delivery date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Was stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. Aircraft for sale by Atlas Aviation Sales & Leasing LLC (Florida), see : http://www.atlasaviations.com/2012_747-800_NEW.php

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, Delivery date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, Aircraft modification is delayed by up to 10 months following identification of quality problems. Expected delivery end of 2016.

L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5, RC009, serial number 37501, ordered for the UAE Presidential Flight, Boeing operator identification code : ABD , N974BA, future registration A6-PFB , white livery, roll out date January 21 2014, F/F February 19 2014, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) at March 12 2014, order seems to be cancelled in September 2016.

$ L/N 1510 - 747-89L, RC069, serial number 41193, B-2479, Air China #4, full livery, roll out date November 04 2014, F/F November 26 2014, Delivery date December 29 2014, delivery flight (CCA79-ZBAA) date 30 December 2014. Ferried to Lufthansa Technik Hamburg for VIP modification (Chinese “ Air Force One”) at May 24 2015. Re-delivery flight (CCA88 EDDH-ZBAA) October 07 2016.

L/N 1519 - 747-85M , RC076, serial number 42416, Transaero Airlines #1 NTU, EI-MOW, N894BA, owner : Boeing Company, white livery, roll-out May 12 2015, F/F November 02 2016, Ferried to Lackland AFB (KSKF) at November 16 2016..

L/N 1523 - 747-85M, RC077, serial number 42417, Transaero Airlines #2 NTU, EI-TSO, N895BA, owner : Boeing Company, white livery, roll-out August ?? 2015, F/F July 08 2016. Ferried to Boeing Field (KBFI) at July 12 to join the Boeing 100th anniversary, returned to Paine Field at July 18. Ferried to Lackland AFB (KSKF) at October 14 2016.

L/N 1528 - 747-8B5F, RC661, serial number 37653, KAL Cargo #7, N6018N, HL7639, KPAE flight line, full livery, roll out without engines at December 11 2015, rolled back at FAL slant position #1 at June 14, re-emerged with engines installed at June 30, F/F July 15 2016, ferried to Portland (PDX) for paint at July 17, returned at July 27, Scheduled delivery : December 2016.

L/N 1533 - 747-83QF, RC644, serial number 62709, test registration N55077, Silkway West Airlines #5, KPAE , unpainted with dark blue rudders, roll-out April 14 2016. Rolled back at slant position #1 at April 25 for travelled work. Rolled out for the second time at May 08. F/F tentative scheduled for first week of November, Scheduled Delivery December 01 2016

# L/N 1534 - 747-8(R7)F, RC514, serial number 38076, Cargolux #14, test registration N5016R, LX-VCN, full livery, roll-out May 15/16 2016 without engines, engines are installed at building 40-22 at the last week of of August 2016, F/F September 07 2016, ferried to Victorville for paint by Leading Edge Aviation at September 10 , returned at September 20 , Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KLAX-EGPK-ELLX)date September 29 2016,

L/N 1535 - 747-8(7U)F, RC651, serial number 63199, The Boeing Company, test registration N1785B, KPAE, unpainted with white rudders, roll-out without engines at June 14 2016, second roll-out October 25 2016 after engine installation

# L/N 1536 - 747-8(7U)F, RC652, serial number 63378, VP-BBL, lessor Boeing Capital, leased to AirBridgeCargo LLC , full livery , roll out July 18 2016, F/F September 02, Delivered September 27 2016, Delivery flight (ABW101-KSEA) date October 07 2016.

L/N 1537 - 747-8(B5), RC058, serial number 60409, KAL (intercontinental) #8,HL7642, unpainted with light blue rudders, no engines, stored KPAE, roll out September 20 2016, estimated delivery date April 21 2017.

L/N 1538 - 747-8(B5), RC059, serial number 60410, KAL (intercontinental) #9, HL7643, unpainted with light blue rudders, no engines, stored KPAE roll out November 22? 2016, estimated delivery date May 19 2017
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At this moment : two (2) 747-8 airframes at Final Assembly Line (FAL), Everett building 40-22
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Slant position #1 , used for travelled work at B767’s.
Slant position #2, L/N 1539 - 747-8(B5), RC060, serial number 60411, KAL (intercontinental) #10, estimated delivery date July 03 2017
Final body join position, empty
Wing/body join position, L/N 1540 - 747-8(HV)F, RC606, serial number 63659, AirBridgeCargo, VP-BBP, estimated delivery date March 21 2017.

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Firing order : 4 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1541 - 747-8(HV)F, RC607, serial number 63781, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date September 01 2017
L/N 1542 - 747-8(HV)F, RC608, serial number 63784, AirBridgeCargo, estimated delivery date December 21 2017.
L/N 1543 - 747-8(4A)F, RC531, UPS, delivery 2017
L/N 1544 - 747-8(4A)F, RC532, UPS, delivery 2017.

? = Not confirmed , only one source.
XX = Boeing customer code not yet identified.

I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.

Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).

Cheers, Peter
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:56 am

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Boeing is up to now producing 747-8’s at a rate of 0,5 per month, a planned return to one per month in 2019 has been cancelled.

That's news I think - can you elaborate on this at all - any explanations of why?

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:37 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
747classic wrote:
Boeing is up to now producing 747-8’s at a rate of 0,5 per month, a planned return to one per month in 2019 has been cancelled.

That's news I think - can you elaborate on this at all - any explanations of why?

V/F


The orginal plan (January 2016) was a rate decrease to 0,5 aircraft/month plus a rate increase to one aircraft/month in 2019.

In July 2016 (before the announcement of the UPS order) the last part- increase to one /month in 2019 - was cancelled. see : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... es-427924/
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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:53 pm

Thanks for another great update , Peter.

Still no customer for 1535 then.

Next out of Final Assembly, 1539, will be the last passenger version with a credible order. Will there be any more I wonder ?

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Re: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking/Production Part 24

Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:32 pm

Latest info :

Silkway West airlines asked for a slide in delivery of LN 1533, reason unknown.

New delivery "date" is now vaguely given as first quarter of 2017.

LN 1528 is still on schedule for delivery in mid-December
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:00 am

LN 1528 KAL B747-8B5F HL7639 will delivery at December 14. Flight Number is KE026D
 
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Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:42 pm

747classic wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
747classic wrote:
Boeing is up to now producing 747-8’s at a rate of 0,5 per month, a planned return to one per month in 2019 has been cancelled.

That's news I think - can you elaborate on this at all - any explanations of why?

V/F


The orginal plan (January 2016) was a rate decrease to 0,5 aircraft/month plus a rate increase to one aircraft/month in 2019.

In July 2016 (before the announcement of the UPS order) the last part- increase to one /month in 2019 - was cancelled. see : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... es-427924/

Thanks very much, I had missed that!

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Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:23 pm

L/N 1539 - 747-8(B5), RC060, serial number 60411, KAL (intercontinental) #10, estimated delivery date July 03 2017, pictured at FAL slant position #2, December 02.

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Orginal uploaded by Enrique Perrella on twitter, see : http://twitter.com/Enrique77W


Parts for L/N 1540 - 747-8(HV)F, RC606, serial number 63659, AirBridgeCargo, VP-BBP, loaded into the Final body join position. (December 02 2016)

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Korean Air crew said "LN1528 is delayed delivery for Early 2017"

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