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DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:06 pm

The Lufthansa long-haul operation in DUS continues to dwindle: with the end of the summer schedule Lufthansa will cease nonstop service from Chicago to Dusseldorf. It looks like LH 437 ORD-DUS will operate for the last time on Saturday, 10/24/2015  

After Miami, Toronto, and Tokyo (which was actually canceled before the launch date) this is the fourth long-haul route in DUS that got axed by Lufthansa.

It also marks the end of the A343 base in Dusseldorf. Beginning this fall, the only remaining route, DUS-EWR, will be served by an A330 based in MUC in a W-pattern. Also, rumor has it that this flight will last no longer than until next spring. At that time MUC-EWR will be switched to an A346, and there is doubt that it will be routed via DUS.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:15 pm

Does this mean that UA will launch the route? With the 767s remaining in service this seems like an easy add. How's AA doing on the route?
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting PHX Flyer (Thread starter):
DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS  

Is perhaps a bit of an overstatement, as DUS has also welcomed new long haul carriers this year:

- ANA from TYO
- CA from PEK

while there is plenty of:

- EK to DXB
- EY to AUH
- QR to DOH

and Oman has indicated it would like to open DUS from MCT.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:50 pm

Hmm...was DUS the last nonhub city with intercontinental flights? When did BER-US flights end on LH?
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:02 pm

   it's a seasonal flight (just like the AA flight) - its back in late March 2016
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
When did BER-US flights end on LH?

Berlin? To the US? Oh Lufhthansa?? When was that?
Because Lufthansa only operates to two cities from Tegel, and they're both within Germany....
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:23 pm

Sad to see, although it was speculated that there may not be room for two carriers on the route once AA commenced operations on it.

A brief history:
Summer 2003: LH begins an all-business class service between DUS and ORD, operated by Privatair A319s
Summer 2008: LH upgauges DUS-ORD to an Airbus A340-300, replacing the Privatair operation
Summer 2013: AA launches seasonal ORD-DUS with Boeing 767-300ER equipment, directly competing with LH
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:40 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 5):
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
When did BER-US flights end on LH?

Berlin? To the US? Oh Lufhthansa?? When was that?
Because Lufthansa only operates to two cities from Tegel, and they're both within Germany..
LH flew IAD-TXL for a few months in 2001. They started it about March, 2001, The last flight was on 9-16-01. I was on that flight on 9-11 and we returned to TXL. When the flight resumed on 9-16-01 I was on it and it turned out to be the last flight though we did not know it at that until the next day or so.

I still think there is a market for IAD-TXL with the right size aircraft.

[Edited 2015-06-20 11:43:35]

[Edited 2015-06-20 11:45:28]
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:47 pm

LH at DUS is in decline. DUS itself is growing, Passenger # are up 2.9 % from 2013 to 2014. DUS is a hub for Eurowings/Germanwings and Air Berlin.

[Edited 2015-06-20 12:12:55]
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:59 pm

Well, with LH spinning up Eurowings and Germanwings at DUS, and the longhaul operation starting down the road in CGN, what did you expect? It's a matter of time before the EWR route gets axed as well...too bad too, because I detest flying US carriers across the pond, and this just limited my options from DUS even more.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 2):
while there is plenty of:

- EK to DXB
- EY to AUH
- QR to DOH

and Oman has indicated it would like to open DUS from MCT

I would say the strong presence of the Middle Eastern carriers and Air Berlin, which is receiving life support from EY, has a lot to do with the decision of Lufthansa to scale back their operations in DUS.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 8):
LH at DUS is in decline. DUS itself is growing, Passenger # are up 2.9 % from 2013 to 2014. DUS is a hub for Eurowings/Germanwings and Air Berlin.

Your numbers are outdated. Total traffic at DUS decreased 3.3% year over year in April 2015. For comparison, Dusseldorf's nemesis 30 mi to the south, CGN, grew 8.5% in the same period, and growth there is expected to have increased to over 10% in May, but that number has not been released yet

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 1):

Does this mean that UA will launch the route?

With the build-up of the Eurowings hub in Cologne, LH will have a larger presence there than in DUS, and I would expect UA to resume the old Continental route EWR-CGN down the road.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:14 pm

What a shame; however, ever since the "powers that be" decided to close the viewing deck at the railstation due to "security reasons" and stopped publishing the quarterly magazine, DUS has lost a lot of its shine.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:17 pm

no surprise as LH only serves MUC and FRA on domestic flights. everything else is operated by 4U, CL and EW.

with LH declining ORD ex DUS, AB could feed it´s TXL-ORD flights.

[Edited 2015-06-20 13:19:57]
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:37 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 7):
Summer 2013: AA launches seasonal ORD-DUS with Boeing 767-300ER equipment, directly competing with LH

But AA was the first to offer the DUS-ORD nonstop route, starting in the late 80s or early 90s and ending on 12/31/95 (I was on that last flight). The route was then taken over by UA (who also took over AA's DUS ground staff) who operated it for a while until pax numbers collapsed following 9/11. So in that sense, AA only resumed a service they operated long before LH.

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 10):
.too bad too, because I detest flying US carriers across the pond, and this just limited my options from DUS even more.

Me too. Looks like I'll have to fly through ZRH or FRA in the future.

Quoting txlbased (Reply 12):
What a shame; however, ever since the "powers that be" decided to close the viewing deck at the railstation due to "security reasons" and stopped publishing the quarterly magazine, DUS has lost a lot of its shine.

No! They stopped? I loved that magazine. I still have the No. 1 issue here from 7/2001 (which was all about the construction of the new terminal).

[Edited 2015-06-20 13:41:59]
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:50 pm

This post has seemingly gone unnoticed:

Quoting RemoFlyer (Reply 4):
it's a seasonal flight (just like the AA flight) - its back in late March 2016

If you check Lufthansa.com, you will find that direct flights are bookable from 27 March.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:20 pm

LH operates DUS-FRA after all (as well as DUS-MUC obviously) and especially the former flight is very short and allows for great connectivity. Not to forget the existence of AirRail between the Rhine/Ruhr area and Frankfurt airport which is about a 90 minute ride from Dusseldorf main station. So even if LH axes some flights, and has others operating only seasonally, they should still route a fair amount of passengers through their hubs, especially FRA.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:40 pm

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 15):

Even so if I lived in DUS I would much rather a direct flight.

Surprised with UA connection LH still dropped it year round and made it only seasonal.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:32 pm

Sad to see this happen  . Wonder what LH will use this aircraft now for?
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:41 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 14):
This post has seemingly gone unnoticed:

Quoting RemoFlyer (Reply 4):
it's a seasonal flight (just like the AA flight) - its back in late March 2016

If you check Lufthansa.com, you will find that direct flights are bookable from 27 March.


It's not unnoticed. The schedules haven't been updated yet to reflect the route's discontinuation.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:33 am

Back in the 80s, and until LH and UA, along with other carriers created Star Alliance, LH and AA code shared on service to Germany out of ORD. LH flew on 1 round trip to FRA (with a 747), while AA flew the route with a 767. AA flew ORD-MUC, with a 767 while LH flew ORD-DUS with a DC-10. The ORD-DUS flight then continued on to MUC, so that LH/AA offered twice daily service to MUC.

While Terminal 5 at ORD was being built, LH sublet gate space from DL in Terminal 3 for its late afternoon/early evening departures to Germany. So, passengers arriving at ORD on AA didn't have to trek to the temporary Terminal 4, which was the first level of the parking garage.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:25 am

United should definitely take over all the US flights ex-DUS.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:29 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
The ORD-DUS flight then continued on to MUC, so that LH/AA offered twice daily service to MUC.

When was that? When I flew on AA157/158 ORD-DUS (several times a year) in the mid 90s, the flight seasonally continued on to TXL, not MUC.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:05 am

Quoting PHX Flyer (Thread starter):
At that time MUC-EWR will be switched to an A346

Isn't MUC-EWR a 346 already?
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:31 am

Quoting anrec80 (Reply 22):
Isn't MUC-EWR a 346 already?

During the summer, yes. But not next winter.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:01 am

huh? What are you talking about?

Didn't CX just launched 4x weekly HKG-DUS while NH launched NRT-DUS?
Well sure trans-atlantic is declining, but that doesn't mean that DUS it-selves is declining, stop putting EU-US as the center of the world.

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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:01 am

The Microhub never made sense and with Eurowings opening their long haul hub in CGN, DUS makes no sense at all for the LH group.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:22 am

I am not so sure if the small delcine in passenger numbers is on the account of LH or rather AB scaling down frequencies.

Scheduled Long haul is a bigger market at DUS than at CGN. The Advantage of CGN over DUS is the 24 hr ops,
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:42 am

Quoting cgnnrw (Reply 11):
What a shame; however, ever since the "powers that be" decided to close the viewing deck at the railstation due to "security reasons" and stopped publishing the quarterly magazine, DUS has lost a lot of its shine.

The main one is closed too...at least it has been since last winter.

Quoting DUSdude (Reply 13):
Me too. Looks like I'll have to fly through ZRH or FRA in the future.

I wish I had that option when Uncle Sam pays for my PCS ticket next spring...alas, I see a DL or AA flight in my future.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 20):
United should definitely take over all the US flights ex-DUS.

Don't tell that to Delta (ex ATL) or American (ex ORD)
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:07 am

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 27):
The main one is closed too...at least it has been since last winter.

No it is open. It was closed for construction a short time last winter, but is now open again.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
Scheduled Long haul is a bigger market at DUS than at CGN. The Advantage of CGN over DUS is the 24 hr ops,

But for LH it makes no sense to have the Microhub if you have EW flying long haul at CGN and FRA just 90 minutes away.

[Edited 2015-06-21 03:08:43]
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:15 am

LH and other European or USA airline leave DUS wide open for other airlines to establish long haul flights. DUS has one of the biggest catchment areas for O&D in Europe.
When Emirates or somebody else will start TATL from DUS we will get the outcry here on A.net. But it will be only the consequence of leaving a market open to competition.
DUS and MXP are the most likely places in Europe for starting fifth freedom operation for a non European/USA carrier. Big catchment, little TATL service.

[Edited 2015-06-21 04:26:35]
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting ORDFlyer99 (Reply 1):
Does this mean that UA will launch the route? With the 767s remaining in service this seems like an easy add.

Oh I hope they do! LH keeps playing with DUS and forgets the huge customer base DUS has in its catchment area. Welcome UA!
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:52 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 29):
When Emirates or somebody else will start TATL from DUS we will get the outcry here on A.net.

EK just announced the A380 in DUS. NH already flies DUS - NRT with the 787. Welcome to all other airlines. While LH is abandoning DUS others can do a good job!

LH is free to act as they want but >20M people don't care about FRA and MUC


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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:59 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 28):

But for LH it makes no sense to have the Microhub if you have EW flying long haul at CGN and FRA just 90 minutes away.

The German Wings flights from DUS serve the catchment area, the Population and industry there. many People willnot go the extra miles and 30 or 60 minutes to CGN.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 31):
NH already flies DUS - NRT with the 787. Welcome to all other airlines. While LH is abandoning DUS others can do a good job!

ANA is in Star alliance and that flight is bookable via LH, same, if LH would vacate DUS ORD UA might jump in.

I still think that the decline is due to AB shrinking down.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:22 am

Sure, flying from DUS is OK sometimes. But FRA is 70 minutes away by ICE. SEVENTY minutes. And there are unlimited options from FRA.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:35 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
Scheduled Long haul is a bigger market at DUS than at CGN. The Advantage of CGN over DUS is the 24 hr ops,

See this interview with CGN Route Development officer:

http://www.routes-news.com/home-2/2-...one/3053-one-to-one-ulrich-stiller
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:49 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 32):
The German Wings flights from DUS serve the catchment area, the Population and industry there. many People willnot go the extra miles and 30 or 60 minutes to CGN.

Germanwings and later Eurowings are regional flights only. CGN looks to the same catchment area but is at the southern end of it. DUS is about in the middle with additional draw over to the Netherlands and to the north.
The metropolitan Rhine Ruhr area, including both airports, DUS and CGN is with about 10 mill inhabitants twice that of metropolitan Frankfurt or metropolitan Munich, near in size to the Paris catchment and about two thirds of the London metropolitan area.
Somewhere the catchment area is defined as 12.6 Mill. It is clearly the single biggest catchment area in Germany.

Both airports will not be able to support a Megahub, there simply is not the space to build a really big airport in that area.
So while I do not believe that DUS or CGN will challenge FRA or MUC, I am sure that both will grow, and if LH does not want to grow there somebody else will do that.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:57 am

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 35):
Both airports will not be able to support a Megahub, there simply is not the space to build a really big airport in that area.
So while I do not believe that DUS or CGN will challenge FRA or MUC, I am sure that both will grow, and if LH does not want to grow there somebody else will do that.

just a short reply due to time. If the state government of NRW would do their Job properly, they would now start the legal Basics for developing a new Airport whoich can be build in the Brown coal wastelands west of CGN/DUS, about half way bewtween both cisties.
That combination, making one out of two, with the 24 hour ops of CGN would be bigger than MUC from start.

The Business is there, no doubt. A combined hub would challenge FRA which heavily relies on Transit. But with the growth, and we are looking at some time between 2036/40 if such an Airport could be operational, it would take the Overflow from a then saturated FRA (at about 90 to 100 Mio Pax then, with no room to grow) as well.

Still, my question where the DUS decline Comes from is not answered. My opinion is that AB is "responsible" for that.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 27):
Don't tell that to Delta (ex ATL) or American (ex ORD)

I meant Lufthansa's routes. I firmly believe that Lufthansa should concentrate in its hubs. Flying out of DUS is a distraction.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:21 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 36):
Still, my question where the DUS decline Comes from is not answered. My opinion is that AB is "responsible" for that.

As the decline is only in regard to a very short time frame, it could be a dip rather than a decline.

I agree that April is down by 3.2%, but that gets a trend if it is more than one month.

Lucking at Accumulated Results Januar to April:
http://www.adv.aero/fileadmin/pdf/st...15/04.2015_ADV-Monatsstatistik.pdf

I do not see a decline, but rather with 0.4 % a very slow growth or stagnation.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:28 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 35):

Germanwings and later Eurowings are regional flights only. CGN looks to the same catchment area but is at the southern end of it. DUS is about in the middle with additional draw over to the Netherlands and to the north.

Indeed DUS is very popular amongst the Dutch, but also from Belgium it's not a bad located airport.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 37):
I meant Lufthansa's routes. I firmly believe that Lufthansa should concentrate in its hubs. Flying out of DUS is a distraction.

It may be a distraction, but if other airlines do start flying to DUS and take your passengers away, one wonders if you have an option.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:09 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 37):

I meant Lufthansa's routes. I firmly believe that Lufthansa should concentrate in its hubs. Flying out of DUS is a distraction.


we have discussed this in another thread. LH off hub routes have been transferred to Germanwings / EW not only iat DUS but CGN HAM HAJ STR BER. LH cannot afford to loose their customer base at These Airports. Germany is a polycentric Country with Business spread all over. We do not have a single metroplex.

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 38):
As the decline is only in regard to a very short time frame, it could be a dip rather than a decline.

Yes, but all other Show increases and only DUS Dips down. Must be AB shrinking.
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:34 pm

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 24):
Didn't CX just launched 4x weekly HKG-DUS while NH launched NRT-DUS?

CX will commence 4x weekly HKG-DUS effective 01SEP15.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:35 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 32):
erman Wings flights from DUS serve the catchment area, the Population and industry there. many People willnot go the extra miles and 30 or 60 minutes to CGN.

LH decided to fly Eurowings long haul from CGN not DUS, therefore it makes sense to vacate DUS.
 
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:14 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 9):
...too bad too, because I detest flying US carriers across the pond

I flew DUB two weeks back on UA and flew back to states on LH and I would say, I was surprised at both UA and LH service, IFE offerings and food etc. I believe UA recent changes for flight catering has made it better than AA offering at least.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:56 pm

Quoting loveofflying (Reply 33):
But FRA is 70 minutes away by ICE. SEVENTY minutes. And there are unlimited options from FRA.

Yah...have you seen how much regular tickets go for on the ICE if you book with less than three weeks notice? It hasn't been cheap at all...close to 150 Euro one way!

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 43):
I believe UA recent changes for flight catering has made it better than AA offering at least.

They're both crap, IMO. I've flown AB, LH, DE, FI, AF and BA across the pond as well as DL, UA and AA. Even AF has the US carriers beat in quality of food and entertainment product in Y.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 31):

If flying lonag haul out of airports other than FRA and MUC, LH would have kept those flights Clearly they weren't.
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 44):
Yah...have you seen how much regular tickets go for on the ICE if you book with less than three weeks notice? It hasn't been cheap at all...close to 150 Euro one way!

I don't know where you look, but I get much lower fares on ICE from Dusseldorf to Fankfurt Flughafen. Moreover the "Normal preis" is EUR 80 last minute for 2nd class and EUR 134 for 1st class. Needless to say there are lower prices off peak, but how you receive these high quotes is a mystery.
 
PanHAM
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 42):

LH decided to fly Eurowings long haul from CGN not DUS, therefore it makes sense to vacate DUS.


Long haul ex CGN hasn't even started yet and the transition from LH to Germanwings at DUS was one to one. LH would be crazy to vacate DUS.
Was Erlauben Erdogan!!!
 
C010T3
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:55 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 40):
LH cannot afford to loose their customer base at These Airports. Germany is a polycentric Country with Business spread all over. We do not have a single metroplex.

You don't have to educate me about German geography and demography. One flag does not reveal everything there is to know about a person.

Lufthansa decided to leave non-hub flying to 4U/EW. That's their decision. Now they have to see it through.
When LH decided to do that, I defended the argument that they should use the Lufthansa brand even if a different entity was doing the flying, but that's not what they ultimately did.
All the widebody flights ex-DUS are to United hubs, so it is only natural that United operates them. The only thing Lufthansa must do in order to have United better cater to the passengers that would normally take Lufthansa is have United offer a good lounge at DUS and work with United to increase their German-speaking crew in flights to Germany.
 
AWACSooner
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RE: DUS In Decline: LH Ceases ORD-DUS

Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:42 pm

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 48):
The only thing Lufthansa must do in order to have United better cater to the passengers that would normally take Lufthansa is have United offer a good lounge at DUS and work with United to increase their German-speaking crew in flights to Germany.

And have United update their food, entertainment offerings, and overall customer service standards...otherwise, these loyal LH fliers will soon be re-connecting via FRA and MUC to stay on LH metal.

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