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AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:20 pm

According to AA.com, AA is up gauging MIA-CDG from 763 to 777 on 05NOV15. MIA-Europe will be all 777 this winter,with the exception of MIA-MXP ( operated by 763). The only other 763 on Europe is MIA-FRA during the summer. Does anyone know if MIA-FRA is going to return next summer? I have heard it is not doing well.
 
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:14 pm

Interesting news. AA's 763 vs AF's A380 (winter months) is crazy.


I like the move. Good luck to AA!

Quoting miaami (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if MIA-FRA is going to return next summer? I have heard it is not doing well.

I'm almost certain this route is year-round. But to your question; the route is performing OK AFAIK. You really can't compete with LH's A380. People that fly MIA-FRA on AA are most likely loyal AA flyers or OneWorld frequent flyers.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
AA's 763 vs AF's A380 (winter months) is crazy.

If the price is the same then there is no hesitation for me. I choose right away the American 763 or 777 over the Air France A380. Even a 757, I would choose that one over the A380 no hesitation.

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
You really can't compete with LH's A380.

Same here. No hesitation for me. I choose right away the American 763 or 777 over the Lufthansa A380.

The only case where I might choose not to fly on an American 757, 767 or 777 is if I can fly for the same price on a British Airways 744. Because I know the 747 days are numbered, and I rarely have the occasion to fly intercontinental long haul.

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Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
If the price is the same then there is no hesitation for me. I choose right away the American 763 or 777 over the Air France A380. Even a 757, I would choose that one over the A380 no hesitation.

That's the things. Not me. I'd choose an A380 over a 767. Especially if it's AA's..


777 vs A380 (two of my favorite aircraft) there will be some hesitation.

Everyone has their own opinions.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 2):
The only case where I might choose not to fly on an American 757, 767 or 777 is if I can fly for the same price on a British Airways 744. Because I know the 747 days are numbered

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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:37 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
almost certain this route is year-round.

AA's MIA-FRA ends 29SEP15. It is a seasonal flight for summer 2015.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 4):

Hmmmm. Could've sworn this was year-round.

Thanks for letting me know.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:30 pm

I would never choose AA's old, decrepit B763s over AF's A380. Just last month I flew CDG-MIA on an AA B763 and despite all they say on their website, it was old business class seats. Really horrible.
But regardless of aircraft, there is really no competition between AF and AA cabin service, especially in business class. It has got to be AF... AA is just plain horrible.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:48 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
That's the things. Not me. I'd choose an A380 over a 767. Especially if it's AA's..


777 vs A380 (two of my favorite aircraft) there will be some hesitation.

AA's 763 don't have PTVs in Y, and while their unrefurbished 777 do, the system is quite old and can't do video on demand. So the decision would be easy for me.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 6):
Just last month I flew CDG-MIA on an AA B763 and despite all they say on their website, it was old business class seats. Really horrible.

You mean like the same old business seats on the unrefurbished AF A380s and 777s?

I'd take AF over AA too, but do realize there's a good chance you'd have the same style seat on AF.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
Hmmmm. Could've sworn this was year-round.

It was initially announced as a year-round flight, but due to poor advance sales it was reduced to seasonal service just before it started.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 9):
It was initially announced as a year-round flight, but due to poor advance sales it was reduced to seasonal service just before it started.

Ah. Make sense now. Thank you.




You know, I've always wondered if Lufthansa would ever go 2 daily to MIA, even if it was just for the Winter months, since they basically sell out every day on their A380s.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 6):
But regardless of aircraft, there is really no competition between AF and AA cabin service, especially in business class. It has got to be AF... AA is just plain horrible.

If we are talking angle lie flat seats I don´t think there´s really too much difference. AF is not top in terms of service by European standarts and AA is very professional. Curiously, the new J seats on both (763 apart) are also quite similar.
 
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:45 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 3):
That's the things. Not me. I'd choose an A380 over a 767.

That's the thing. Not most pax. They'd not 1) know what they're flying on nor 2) care... so long as the price/schedule are right.

Which is why they're still flying.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:52 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 12):

Yes, and you're right. I'm speaking for the people that 'care' because I know people don't care about airline, cabin, aircaft, etc.. They just want to get to their destination.


But like most of us here, we are picky with what we want. Obviously, if the price is right.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:40 am

I wonder if these will be on the 2 class 772, or if it will be hit or miss as to what version of the 772 will be showing up on any given day.
 
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:19 am

Probably a 772 because only LHR and GRU see the 77W as far as non US airports are concerned, and maybe HKG. Soon SYD will see it. I haven't heard of CDG seeing the 77W anytime soon.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:47 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 10):
You know, I've always wondered if Lufthansa would ever go 2 daily to MIA, even if it was just for the Winter months, since they basically sell out every day on their A380s.

Hmmm, one A380 and one 748i would be an avgeek dream!
 
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:12 am

Quoting TYCOON (Reply 6):
I would never choose AA's old, decrepit B763s over AF's A380. Just last month I flew CDG-MIA on an AA B763 and despite all they say on their website, it was old business class seats. Really horrible.
But regardless of aircraft, there is really no competition between AF and AA cabin service, especially in business class. It has got to be AF... AA is just plain horrible.

   Agreed. AA's product on the 767-300 is an embarrassment. With such a weak offering on MIA-FRA (and not even the new business class) I'm not surprised that the route is struggling against LH.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):

I wonder if these will be on the 2 class 772, or if it will be hit or miss as to what version of the 772 will be showing up on any given day.


The 777-200 retrofits have been delayed due to problems with the seat supplier, but I sincerely hope that the European routes are the first to receive them. After all, they did start on MIA-MAD/BCN. The 3-class 772 isn't bad but it's starting to show its age.
 
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:39 am

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 9):

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
Hmmmm. Could've sworn this was year-round.

It was initially announced as a year-round flight, but due to poor advance sales it was reduced to seasonal service just before


Never year-round, at least not externally. Always ending September 29th.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 17):
Agreed. AA's product on the 767-300 is an embarrassment. With such a weak offering on MIA-FRA (and not even the new business class) I'm not surprised that the route is struggling against LH.

Why do people critique AA yet are so quick to forget that Lufthansa and Air France still use very similar seats (albeit LH no longer to MIA). It was not until recently that the A380s Lufthsansa flew to MIA had angled lie flats, while the A380s and 77Ws AF fly to MIA still have angled lie flats. And those are pretty brand new planes.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:06 am

As reported elsewhere, looks like MIA-CDG is only one of multiple Europe routes AA is planning (at least as of now, admittedly far in advance) to upguage to 777s over the next year:

JFK-BCN (from 3/26/16)
JFK-CDG - AA44/45 (from 3/26/16)
JFK-MAD (from 3/26/16)
JFK-FCO (from 5/16/16)
ORD-FCO (from 3/26/16)

Just as expected. As new airplanes arrive and 767s retire, and especially once 777 retrofts (finally) commence in greater numbers, I expect we'll see even more 777s find their way into current 767 markets - Europe in the norther summer (other markets like ORD-CDG), South America (possibly MIA-CNF, more MIA-GIG/SCL, etc.) in the northern winter.
 
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Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:20 am

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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Why do people critique AA yet are so quick to forget that Lufthansa and Air France still use very similar seats (albeit LH no longer to MIA). It was not until recently that the A380s Lufthsansa flew to MIA had angled lie flats, while the A380s and 77Ws AF fly to MIA still have angled lie flats. And those are pretty brand new planes.

Because AA is the only carrier that sells economy class tickets from MIA to Europe with a layover in 1996.
 
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 21):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Why do people critique AA yet are so quick to forget that Lufthansa and Air France still use very similar seats (albeit LH no longer to MIA). It was not until recently that the A380s Lufthsansa flew to MIA had angled lie flats, while the A380s and 77Ws AF fly to MIA still have angled lie flats. And those are pretty brand new planes.

Because AA is the only carrier that sells economy class tickets from MIA to Europe with a layover in 1996.

I am discussing the fact that AA and AF both use very similar angled lie-flat seats between Miami and Paris. And while AA is going to lie-flat 772s in November, Air France will still be using angled seats on the A380. I never said anything about it's economy product. But if you don't mind the lack of PTVs, the old-style padded seats are far more comfortable than the "slim lines" carriers use these days, including AA on it's newer planes.

[Edited 2015-06-30 14:56:38]
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:05 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
Just as expected. As new airplanes arrive and 767s retire, and especially once 777 retrofts (finally) commence in greater numbers, I expect we'll see even more 777s find their way into current 767 markets - Europe in the norther summer (other markets like ORD-CDG), South America (possibly MIA-CNF, more MIA-GIG/SCL, etc.) in the northern winter.

IMO, it will have to be seen if the 777 is the suitable airplane routes for the shortest TATL routes (particularly ex JFK). Most of the 767 routes were to be taken over by the 787, not by the 777, which may be a too heavy aircraft for those routes. The plans changed, as we all know, because there are not enough 772s with the new configuration, and AA really needed a 2 class aircraft with a competitive hard product for its Asian operations. However, once most of the 772 fleet is retrofitted, I think some of them will come back to some of the Asian routes, and the 788 will be used in some current 763 routes. Another point to consider, also, is where will the L-US 330s and 359s be used once the pilot integration is done.
 
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:26 am

788's will be deployed to Asia and to SA where they can rationalize fleet utilization (PVG-DFW-EZE). DFW-LHR will get one temporarily, but the day flight from ORD-LHR is high on the list to be changed. Also, LAX-GRU, and possibly ORD-GRU (open skies is about to start and there will be more frames next year GRU-ORD-NRT could be a go).

Makes sense for 777s to hit some Euro routes (ORD-FCO is a busy seasonal route that makes sense, nice to see this at ORD)!
 
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:53 pm

Looks like AA keeps replacing 767 routes with 777s.


On November 5th, AA will be starting 77E (3-class) service to MXP from MIA.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
JFK-BCN (from 3/26/16)
Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
JFK-MAD (from 3/26/16)

Nice extra lift to Spain next year.
 
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 25):

Information was incorrect. Apparently will stay 767.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:25 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 19):
JFK-CDG - AA44/45 (from 3/26/16)

If that one gets upgraded to a 777, then what about the second daily JFK-CDG AA120/121? Will it be upgraded to 767 or will it stay 757? There was a time when AA44/45 was a 777, and AA121/121 was a 763, that was back in 2001 a few months before 9-11.
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RE: AA Upgauges MIA-CDG To 777 05NOV15

Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 28):
There was a time when AA44/45 was a 777, and AA121/121 was a 763, that was back in 2001 a few months before 9-11.

And at that time, AA served only Paris and London non-stop from JFK.

As AA diversified its trans-Atlantic routes from JFK, there wasn't as much need to put as much capacity to Paris (or London).
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