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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:12 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 94):
From 16 November 2015 to 26 March 2016 Air China will add 4 weekly flights to SYD from PEK

CA193 PEK-SYD 2230-1310+1 Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun
CA194 SYD-PEK 1500-2350 Mon, Tue, Thu, Sat

Operated by A330-200

According to Airline Routes, the flight should be operated by the 332 for the first 4 weeks, then be operated by the 333 for the duration of these extra flights.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:05 pm

Jetstar had an outage of their flight planning system this morning and flights out of Sydney were affected. Or so we were told on our rather delayed flight. FYI, you still need to check in at the original times even if you have been told beforehand that your flight is delayed...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:23 pm

EK419 SYD-BKK diverted to BNE

http://twitter.com/hashtag/EK419?src=hash
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting allrite (Reply 13):
Apparently a VA service flew out empty on Sunday after a cabin crew member became sick.

From the article:

Quote:
“Several passengers volunteered to do the food service themselves, if it meant the flight taking off,”

Dissapointing that some travellers think that the FA's are only there to serve food.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 73):
A real professional.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:14 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 102):
EK419 SYD-BKK diverted to BNE

Diverted due to a suspected item - phone occupying an empty seat
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:19 am

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Diverted due to a suspected item - phone occupying an empty seat

Aghast.......an EK flight had an empty seat !!  Wow!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:34 am

Interesting how the AA LAX-SYD flight timings haven't been announced?

Anyhow great to see the Roo returning to SFO

Qantas San Francisco, American Airlines LAX flights soon on sale

Qantas will begin selling its Sydney-San Francisco flights before the end of this month, along with the new American Airlines service between Sydney and Los Angeles.

A Qantas spokesperson confirmed the timetable to Australian Business Traveller this morning, following an interim approval for the QF/AA joint services from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

The consumer watchdog has backed the beefed-up alliance, saying it would likely result in "additional capacity on the Sydney to Los Angeles route, and increased capacity and competition on the Sydney to San Francisco route."

Qantas will restart its Sydney-San Francisco route 'on peak days' from December 18, with the service ticking up to six flights a week from January 2016.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-san-f...-airlines-lax-flights-soon-on-sale

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:05 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 106):

Sorry, am I not getting it but which timetable did they confirm? The actual flight timings/days or the timetable for when they are going on sale?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:17 am

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For the new services to go on sale. The last para of the linked article says QF has not yet released the timings of the revised schedule.
 
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Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:30 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 108):

Thankyou sir.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:02 am

http://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-to-resta...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Fantastic news! ANA will launch daily HND-SYD from 25 October with 787-9.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:09 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 109):

And then again, there's this (only posted in the last 10 minutes)...:

http://airlineroute.net/2015/07/10/qf-sfo-dec15/
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:45 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 110):

The AusBT announcement is light on references with the only direct quote from NH being "we want to start flying during the (northern) winter season, which is from the second half of October to the second half of March."

I'm not saying it won't happen, but AusBT has been stringing along this news for quite some time. Granted this time there are departure times and a start date, so it's becoming more likely.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:54 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 111):

From the link:

QF073 SYD1500 – 0930SFO 744 x26
QF074 SFO2325 – 0900+2SYD 744 x26

Service increases to 6 weekly as Tuesdays service will be available from 02FEB16.


That seems to be just a little bit later arrival than I thought they'd do. I thought that an arrival time around 0700 would allow for more work day to be used by pax? If the aircraft used is the one that does QF17 that might be the reason (as it has a 1700/1800 departure or thereabouts. Where does the inbound that goes onto QF17 come from?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 94):
From 16 November 2015 to 26 March 2016 Air China will add 4 weekly flights to SYD from PEK

I assume that this is in place of the 77W that they've sent in previous years?

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 105):
Aghast.......an EK flight had an empty seat !!  

That's what was so suspicious!

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 110):
Fantastic news! ANA will launch daily HND-SYD from 25 October with 787-9.

   QR A350 next please!

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 111):
And then again, there's this (only posted in the last 10 minutes)...:

Surprised that the layover at SFO is so long, but it's great news that they will launch at 5wk rather than the announced 3wk.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:10 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 113):
QF073 SYD1500 – 0930SFO 744 x26
QF074 SFO2325 – 0900+2SYD 744 x26

Service increases to 6 weekly as Tuesdays service will be available from 02FEB16.


That seems to be just a little bit later arrival than I thought they'd do. I thought that an arrival time around 0700 would allow for more work day to be used by pax? If the aircraft used is the one that does QF17 that might be the reason (as it has a 1700/1800 departure or thereabouts. Where does the inbound that goes onto QF17 come from?

Late departure from SFO and arrival time into SYD are not perfect but I assume there are slot issues in SYD that are responsible for this.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:50 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 112):


The AusBT announcement is light on references with the only direct quote from NH being "we want to start flying during the (northern) winter season, which is from the second half of October to the second half of March."

I'm not saying it won't happen, but AusBT has been stringing along this news for quite some time. Granted this time there are departure times and a start date, so it's becoming more likely.

I agree. I think they might just be quoting the times from NH's SYD slot allocation for the NW15 schedule period. I believe 25OCT15 is the changeover date for the NW15 schedules?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:25 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 115):
Late departure from SFO and arrival time into SYD are not perfect but I assume there are slot issues in SYD that are responsible for this.

More likely there are slot issues at SFO. SFO is running pretty much at max capacity nowadays with WN being the last airline to add a large amount of service in to make it so.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 116):
I agree. I think they might just be quoting the times from NH's SYD slot allocation for the NW15 schedule period. I believe 25OCT15 is the changeover date for the NW15 schedules?

AUSBT isn't the best source for these sorts of things. I'll still believe it when NH actually announces it.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:36 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 113):


That seems to be just a little bit later arrival than I thought they'd do. I thought that an arrival time around 0700 would allow for more work day to be used by pax? If the aircraft used is the one that does QF17 that might be the reason (as it has a 1700/1800 departure or thereabouts. Where does the inbound that goes onto QF17 come from?
Quoting qf002 (Reply 114):
Surprised that the layover at SFO is so long, but it's great news that they will launch at 5wk rather than the announced 3wk.
Quoting tullamarine (Reply 115):
Late departure from SFO and arrival time into SYD are not perfect but I assume there are slot issues in SYD that are responsible for this.

The aircraft used will be the one that does most of the QF 17/18 rotation now, so the timings aren't all that different. As for the SFO layover, all U.S - Australia flights operate late at night for a morning arrival. We haven't had daylight flights from the U.S for years, not since QF were doing 3 x daily on some days, unless you want to include Hawaii-Australia flights.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 114):
I assume that this is in place of the 77W that they've sent in previous years?

The normal daily flight is a 333 this year, so the first 4 weeks of the new flight will be 7 x 333, 4 x 332, after that it will be 11 x333.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 116):
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 112):

The AusBT announcement is light on references with the only direct quote from NH being "we want to start flying during the (northern) winter season, which is from the second half of October to the second half of March."

I'm not saying it won't happen, but AusBT has been stringing along this news for quite some time. Granted this time there are departure times and a start date, so it's becoming more likely.
I agree. I think they might just be quoting the times from NH's SYD slot allocation for the NW15 schedule period. I believe 25OCT15 is the changeover date for the NW15 schedules?

If it does eventuate, the timings will be similar to QF's to HND. I would expect QF and JL to eventually code share on each others flights, to offer daily services to both Tokyo airports.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 101):

Jetstar had an outage of their flight planning system this morning and flights out of Sydney were affected. Or so we were told on our rather delayed flight.

There was a flight planning system outage and it was nationwide, No flights departing from about 5:30am to about 7am. NTL's morning flights were over 2 hours late departing and had massive flow on effect for the whole day. Interesting they don't have a manual backup way they can use if it happens?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 107):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 106):

Sorry, am I not getting it but which timetable did they confirm? The actual flight timings/days or the timetable for when they are going on sale?
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 108):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 107):

For the new services to go on sale. The last para of the linked article says QF has not yet released the timings of the revised schedule.

        

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 110):

http://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-to-resta...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Fantastic news! ANA will launch daily HND-SYD from 25 October with 787-9.

Great news to see another carrier at SYD, curious if this would mean both QF flights get down gauged to A330's until B789's arrive?!?

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 111):
Quoting QF2220 (Reply 109):

And then again, there's this (only posted in the last 10 minutes)...:

http://airlineroute.net/2015/07/10/qf-sfo-dec15/

Now that's spooky!!!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 120):
Great news to see another carrier at SYD, curious if this would mean both QF flights get down gauged to A330's until B789's arrive?!?

Why would they do that? QF has all the power in this situation.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:03 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 121):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 120):
Great news to see another carrier at SYD, curious if this would mean both QF flights get down gauged to A330's until B789's arrive?!?

Why would they do that? QF has all the power in this situation.

QF Group definitely has a large presence in Japan, was just if it would happen to free up a B744 perhaps? Consistent product offering on the both NRT/HND routes?

Quoting qf789 (Reply 122):
QF12 diverting to BNE

http://www.flightradar24.com/flight/qf12

Apparently QF0008 diverted into BNE too.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:43 am

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Quoting qf789 (Reply 122):
QF12 diverting to BNE

http://www.flightradar24.com/flight/qf12

Apparently QF0008 diverted into BNE too.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 79):
Definitely "Juliet" delivered just over 5 days ago. I'm not sure as to EIS turnaround times but surely 5 days is sufficient.

VKJ operated its first commercial service Saturday night MEL-DPS

Quoting EK413 (Reply 123):
QF Group definitely has a large presence in Japan, was just if it would happen to free up a B744 perhaps? Consistent product offering on the both NRT/HND routes?

Ive always thought that since QF announced BNE-NRT and SYD moved over to HND that they 744 may be down graded to a A330 at some point in time as SYD may loose some connections due to the BNE flight. Im sure QF could find better usage for the 744 as when the HND flight starts the aircraft will be on the ground for 16 and half hours.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 125):
Ive always thought that since QF announced BNE-NRT and SYD moved over to HND that they 744 may be down graded to a A330 at some point in time as SYD may loose some connections due to the BNE flight.

They may lose some, but HND will be a more popular destination for those travelling on business. Travel between the two countries must be improving, otherwise QF wouldn't be bothering with the new BNE/NRT and the talk of NH returning and that JAL sticking with the 772's and upgrading to 77W's over the summer again, instead of what was going to be a 787-8 route.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 125):
Im sure QF could find better usage for the 744 as when the HND flight starts the aircraft will be on the ground for 16 and half hours.

The aircraft already does it now with NRT so no difference there. Overnight flights both ways are the more desired.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 123):
QF Group definitely has a large presence in Japan, was just if it would happen to free up a B744 perhaps? Consistent product offering on the both NRT/HND routes?

QF seems to be ok with product inconsistency for HKG. Soon MEL/BNE-HKG will have a superior hard product than SYD-HKG, albeit with SYD the only one getting Y+. I don't see them switching HND to A333 solely for consistency. Should they need 744s elsewhere then it strengthens the case.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 125):
Ive always thought that since QF announced BNE-NRT and SYD moved over to HND that they 744 may be down graded to a A330 at some point in time as SYD may loose some connections due to the BNE flight.

SYD-HND will lose some pax who would have connected BNE/OOL-SYD-TYO, but they could gain pax who used to fly Australia-HND via HKG/SIN. Overall the Australia-Japan market seems to be growing again, with JQ MEL-NRT, QF BNE-NRT and the rumoured NH HND-SYD starting in an 18-month period.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:54 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 110):
Fantastic news! ANA will launch daily HND-SYD from 25 October with 787-9.

Great news!

Let's hope it comes true  
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 112):
The AusBT announcement is light on references with the only direct quote from NH being "we want to start flying during the (northern) winter season, which is from the second half of October to the second half of March."I'm not saying it won't happen, but AusBT has been stringing along this news for quite some time. Granted this time there are departure times and a start date, so it's becoming more likely.

  

Quoting qf002 (Reply 114):
QR A350 next please!

With VN starting to take some nice new birds like the A350 and 787, I wonder when Australia will see some of these new VN birds?

It would be nice to see some VN metal other than the current VN metal that SYD gets despite the VN A330 having the right range for SYD...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:55 am

Any possibility of VA and ANA codesharing on the new Haneda-Tokyo route? Another Star airline to add to VA's portfolio of partners?

Dreamliner 9s being flown by ANA? I was led to believe that 767s would be used... Delighted with the Dreamliner but would've loved to see another 767 operator into Sydney, at least temporarily... My first sighting of an ANA 767 was one doing 'touch and goes' at Avalon, Victoria a long long time ago... A 767-200. The security guards let me stand (too) close to the side of the runway to watch!

So who's next to announce Sydney services? Turkish? Qatar? Maybe someone else... And what's the latest on Xiamen's plans for Dreamliners into Sydney?

There were five Q300s parked at Tamworth last week, when I flew through. All appeared in storage, ready to be 'Jetstarred' I guess for NZ service. Interestingly, another Q300 flew in to make a total of six on the ground at once. The Jetgo flight that arrived while I was there was about 2/3 full: what a noisy little jet the 135 is, but wow its cute-looking! The locals are enthusiastic about the airline and are supportive of it, I have been led to believe.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:32 am

Last night listening to to live ATC at Sydney Airport, a Jetstar A320 declared a Mayday for low fuel and diverted to NTL.

Couldn't they have been given priority into Sydney instead of having to be diverted?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:51 am

Quoting mpj (Reply 130):
Couldn't they have been given priority into Sydney instead of having to be diverted?

Quite possibly – however according to the AIP an aircraft will not be afforded any priority handling due to fuel state until they declare an emergency – and once you do that it's probably a good idea to go to wherever is closest.
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Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:21 am

Anyone know what to expect on a flight between Hobart and Sydney tomorrow morning? The ground forecast is for a windy day.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:07 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 129):
Any possibility of VA and ANA codesharing on the new Haneda-Tokyo route? Another Star airline to add to VA's portfolio of partners?

What portfolio of Star Alliance partners though?   It's just SQ/NZ, both of which are shareholders. the fact they are both in Star Alliance doesn't mean there is any meaningful relationship with Star Alliance.

VA will continue codeshare with SQ to Japan.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:59 am

Wednesday next week will see CS-TQX visiting BNE before departing on the Saturday for ADL. The aircraft will have the Liverpool football team on board. ZS-DJI is currently in BNE too.
 
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Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:01 pm

Quoting zkokq (Reply 134):
Wednesday next week will see CS-TQX visiting BNE before departing on the Saturday for ADL. The aircraft will have the Liverpool football team on board. ZS-DJI is currently in BNE too.

There is currently a small soccer field set up inside the BNE international terminal as part of a promotion for it.
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Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:40 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 133):
What portfolio of Star Alliance partners though?
[quote=SYDSpotter,reply=133]What portfolio of Star Alliance partners though?   It's just SQ/NZ, both of which are shareholders. the fact they are both in Star Alliance doesn't mean there is any meaningful relationship with Star Alliance.

VA will continue codeshare with SQ to Japan.

Plus SA, although not much relevance.

I was told NH would make a formal announcement within this week. VA just keep joking themselves by saying Japan (or China) can be adequately served via SIN through SQ. There just cannot be a more clear cut opportunity for VA to team up with NH to compete with QF/JL. And for that matter, China with CA to compete with QF/MU alliance which is not dead yet.

If NH and CA were both on board, they might as well join *A. If the DL alliance was an obstacle, I don't know how long their LAX flights can remain relevant given their market share.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 125):
Ive always thought that since QF announced BNE-NRT and SYD moved over to HND that they 744 may be down graded to a A330 at some point in time as SYD may loose some connections due to the BNE flight.

My biggest issue with such a move is that it would more than double Y capacity while shrinking J capacity and cutting W out altogether. That seems crazy to me given that the existing service is clearly a very strong premium earner for QF.

If double daily proves to be too much capacity then I see them dropping BNE-NRT down to less than daily before they start messing around with SYD-HND.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 128):
With VN starting to take some nice new birds like the A350 and 787, I wonder when Australia will see some of these new VN birds?

Fingers crossed!

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 129):
So who's next to announce Sydney services? Turkish? Qatar? Maybe someone else...

TK will probably come before QR, but I'm hopeful for both by the end of 2016.

AZ also gets mentioned from time to time. They are getting more 777s next year so it shouldn't be too long before we know whether they are coming this way or planning to use those aircraft elsewhere.

AirAsia Extra to DPS? Not a particularly exciting addition but probably an inevitability.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:05 am

Quoting mpj (Reply 130):
Last night listening to to live ATC at Sydney Airport, a Jetstar A320 declared a Mayday for low fuel and diverted to NTL. Couldn't they have been given priority into Sydney instead of having to be diverted?

At the time they declared a fuel emergency, what airport would they have been closest to?

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 131):
Quoting mpj (Reply 130):Couldn't they have been given priority into Sydney instead of having to be diverted?

Quite possibly – however according to the AIP an aircraft will not be afforded any priority handling due to fuel state until they declare an emergency – and once you do that it's probably a good idea to go to wherever is closest.

That's also how I understand it.

Maybe somebody could find a FR24 replay and see where the aircraft was when it diverted?

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 133):
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 129):Any possibility of VA and ANA codesharing on the new Haneda-Tokyo route? Another Star airline to add to VA's portfolio of partners?

What portfolio of Star Alliance partners though? It's just SQ/NZ, both of which are shareholders. the fact they are both in Star Alliance doesn't mean there is any meaningful relationship with Star Alliance.

  

Just like how VA's partnership with DL means VA has no meaningful relationship with SkyTeam.

IMHO VA will continue to sleep around with whoever fulfils their needs and focus on partnerships rather than joining an alliance   
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:35 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 138):
Just like how VA's partnership with DL means VA has no meaningful relationship with SkyTeam.

IMHO VA will continue to sleep around with whoever fulfils their needs and focus on partnerships rather than joining an alliance

VA has quite clearly stated that they have no interest in joining an alliance preferring bilateral relationships. QF, whilst still in OW, is similar. It premiere relationship is now with a major competitor to a OW member.

I tend to think the whole alliance thing is massively over-rated. The alliances have never really come through with the kind of partnerships that was talked about when they were created nearly 20 years ago. At the time, there was talk of single loyalty schemes, consistent product standards and joint alliance aircraft orders. None of this has ever come to be and probably never will. The closest we have got are a few alliance branded lounges.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 139):
I tend to think the whole alliance thing is massively over-rated. The alliances have never really come through with the kind of partnerships that was talked about when they were created nearly 20 years ago. At the time, there was talk of single loyalty schemes, consistent product standards and joint alliance aircraft orders. None of this has ever come to be and probably never will. The closest we have got are a few alliance branded lounges

I somewhat disagree with that because I think the Trans-Altantic Joint Ventures are probably the penultimate you can expect from the Alliances. Outside of that Star Alliance to me represents probably the most dysfunctional alliance because while it bars its members from doing certain things outside the alliance that would compete with it, they don't actively encourage co-operation. I still can't understand why someone like SQ bothers to be part of it but there must be some benefit they get in remaining in there. For QF, Oneworld used to represent their sphere of co-operation. From American Airline, to British Airways to Canadian Airlines and LAN. Now QF over the Pacific is close to its Oneworld Partners but is far apart from them to Europe and has chosen a bilateral route in Asia rather than Partnering with CX or MH. (I'd say we will also see JAL and QF get closer IF ANA ever starts service. Unlike most people I'm not taking that as a foregone conclusion until I see an actual route announcement)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 140):
For QF, Oneworld used to represent their sphere of co-operation. From American Airline, to British Airways to Canadian Airlines and LAN. Now QF over the Pacific is close to its Oneworld Partners but is far apart from them to Europe and has chosen a bilateral route in Asia rather than Partnering with CX or MH. (I'd say we will also see JAL and QF get closer IF ANA ever starts service. Unlike most people I'm not taking that as a foregone conclusion until I see an actual route announcement)

I think we are agreeing. QF are basically adopting an opportunistic bilateral approach not dissimilar to VA. That some of these partners are also OW members was not a coincidence originally but now the relationships would probably remain whether one or both left OW.

Asia is even more stark with QF pursuing relationships into China with Skyteam members, almost as a form of attack against its nominal OW partner, CX, with whom its relationship is best described as prickly.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:44 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 141):
Asia is even more stark with QF pursuing relationships into China with Skyteam members, almost as a form of attack against its nominal OW partner, CX, with whom its relationship is best described as prickly.

China is a very interesting point in question. While there is no doubt Hong Kong remains a business hub, for now, QF knows that CX's competitive advantage lays in being able to aggregate traffic from China and bring it to Australia. Something which QF, by itself, has neither the right hub nor the right cost structure to do. Given QF, in my opinion, couldn't partner with CX even if it wanted to, it makes sense to go around and create alternative hubs to access. PVG and CAN are ideal Chinese hubs and I think you'll see both of those ties strengthen in the coming years. Moreso given the lack of bilateral capacity to Hong Kong vs the liberal amount given to Chinese Carriers. I think Australia has played it's hand exceptionally well in terms of encouraging direct Chinese service and allowing capacity vs more reliance on Hong Kong.

It's also interesting to me that both China Eastern and China Southern also happen to be quite close to Delta within Skyteam in that the Chinese Carriers appear to be learning from both DL and QF about how to run an airline.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:06 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 141):
Asia is even more stark with QF pursuing relationships into China with Skyteam members, almost as a form of attack against its nominal OW partner, CX, with whom its relationship is best described as prickly.

  

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 142):
China is a very interesting point in question. While there is no doubt Hong Kong remains a business hub, for now, QF knows that CX's competitive advantage lays in being able to aggregate traffic from China and bring it to Australia. Something which QF, by itself, has neither the right hub nor the right cost structure to do. Given QF, in my opinion, couldn't partner with CX even if it wanted to, it makes sense to go around and create alternative hubs to access. PVG and CAN are ideal Chinese hubs and I think you'll see both of those ties strengthen in the coming years. Moreso given the lack of bilateral capacity to Hong Kong vs the liberal amount given to Chinese Carriers. I think Australia has played it's hand exceptionally well in terms of encouraging direct Chinese service and allowing capacity vs more reliance on Hong Kong.It's also interesting to me that both China Eastern and China Southern also happen to be quite close to Delta within Skyteam in that the Chinese Carriers appear to be learning from both DL and QF about how to run an airline.

IMHO QF looking into China is the right strategy as there will be far more potential in terms of aviation opportunities in China in the future than in Hong Kong.

Each place has different types of hurdles to contend with however.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 142):
Given QF, in my opinion, couldn't partner with CX even if it wanted to,

  

IMHO if it was not for the OneWorld tie there would be no relationship at all between QF and CX - not that there would really need to be anyway.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:18 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 139):
QF, whilst still in OW, is similar. It premiere relationship is now with a major competitor to a OW member.

Actually, the QF-AA relationship is more important than QF-EK.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:43 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 138):
That's also how I understand it.

Maybe somebody could find a FR24 replay and see where the aircraft was when it diverted?

The flight was JQ791. It performed a go-around after a bit of holding, before diverting straight away.

The thing about a mayday is that it will get you ATC assistance to get you on the ground safely, but not necessarily conveniently. You can't just call a mayday and expect to get priority clearance into a major airport when a perfectly safe alternative is closer, no matter how much of a hassle it may be.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:04 am

Quoting threefourthree (Reply 124):
Fog in Sydney this morning. I guess they were playing safe than sorry.

Definitely better to be safe than sorry factoring in the QF8 operates to the limits DFW-SYD.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 125):
Ive always thought that since QF announced BNE-NRT and SYD moved over to HND that they 744 may be down graded to a A330 at some point in time as SYD may loose some connections due to the BNE flight. Im sure QF could find better usage for the 744 as when the HND flight starts the aircraft will be on the ground for 16 and half hours.

My thoughts surrounding the down gauge was solely based consistency of product offerings & freeing up 1 x B744.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 127):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 123):
QF Group definitely has a large presence in Japan, was just if it would happen to free up a B744 perhaps? Consistent product offering on the both NRT/HND routes?

QF seems to be ok with product inconsistency for HKG. Soon MEL/BNE-HKG will have a superior hard product than SYD-HKG, albeit with SYD the only one getting Y+. I don't see them switching HND to A333 solely for consistency. Should they need 744s elsewhere then it strengthens the case.

Your not wrong there, the A330 reconfigure program should provide consistency though & until the last 2 x B744 aircraft are retired.

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Quoting zkokq (Reply 134):
Wednesday next week will see CS-TQX visiting BNE before departing on the Saturday for ADL. The aircraft will have the Liverpool football team on board. ZS-DJI is currently in BNE too.

There is currently a small soccer field set up inside the BNE international terminal as part of a promotion for it.

Source - Brisbane Airport

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Real Madrid Football Team not far from touching down MEL.

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Quoting Sydscott (Reply 142):
It's also interesting to me that both China Eastern and China Southern also happen to be quite close to Delta within Skyteam in that the Chinese Carriers appear to be learning from both DL and QF about how to run an airline.

Hasn't CX partnered up with NZ on the HKG-AKL route?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:59 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 146):
Hasn't CX partnered up with NZ on the HKG-AKL route?

Indeed they have. But I can see the ACCC allowing QF/CX as much as I can see them allowing another QF/SAA pact.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 136):
I was told NH would make a formal announcement within this week. VA just keep joking themselves by saying Japan (or China) can be adequately served via SIN through SQ. There just cannot be a more clear cut opportunity for VA to team up with NH to compete with QF/JL. And for that matter, China with CA to compete with QF/MU alliance which is not dead yet.

If NH and CA were both on board, they might as well join *A. If the DL alliance was an obstacle,

Well as long as SQ remains a shareholder, you can bet that VA will continue to put their code on SQ's flights. Any obstacle (if any) to VA joining Star Alliance is likely to be EY rather than DL.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 124

Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:39 pm

QF will operate some flights on JQ domestic and international routes including SYD-HNL so JQ can free up aircraft to bring people back from DPS.

Today JQ is operating 8 schedule flights

JQ127/128 ADL-DPS
JQ105/106 PER-DPS
JQ47/44 BNE-DPS-MEL
JQ116/117 PER-DPS-SIN

They will also operate 10 extra flights including
JQ7021/7022 & 7023/7024 PER-DPS
JQ7003/7004 MEL-DPS
JQ7005/7008 MEL-DPS-SYD
JQ7009/7010 SYD-DPS

QF will also assist with connecting JQ passengers from PER to MEL & SYD

http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...ogether-to-bring-australians-home/

VA plans to operate 10 schedule services to DPS

VA49/52 MEL-DPS
VA41/46 BNE-DPS
VA65/70 SYD-DPS
VA59/60 & 57/62 PER DPS

VA will operate an additional 8 flights today

VA9561/9560 ADL-DPS
VA9563/9564 BNE-DPS
VA9565/9566 MEL-DPS
VA9571/9570 PER-DPS (operated by A330-200)

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