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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 199):

I really cannot see a reason strong enough- I get the whole political statement thing, but honestly if you're smart enough to figure out how to make a 777 disappear, you're also smart enough to realise that you've failed before you've even begun.

I actually follow your posts with interest- I'm curious- what do you think is strong enough motive that would allow one of the two to commit such an elaborate, risky, murderous and self destructive act?
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:15 am

Quoting AIRWALK (Reply 194):
all I'm saying is I have seen nothing as of yet that convinces me that he was capable of this or at least that he definitely did do it in this case.

Nobody has a mass murderer/is suicidal signboard in big capital letters hanging around his neck nor do they go about convincing people that they are going to do a despicable act.
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:22 am

I will post some quotes, word for word, from an article that appeared in yesterday's print edition of Sydney's Daily Telegraph Newspaper.

Hopefully the full version becomes available online soon for those interested in reading it.

'One Downed, One To Go', by Byron Bailey, 15 August, 2015.


""More than a year ago I had a very brief conversation with a colleague (ex-major airline) who works for a government department doing the search planning for MH370. He told me in confidence, and I quote, "that the FBI had supplied, to our ATSB regarding deleted information from the MH370 captain's computer, flight plan waypoints".""

""In February I rang this colleague who confirmed what he had told me. Now that the flaperon has been found I have been unable to contact him for comment.""

""We, the real experts in airline pilots, know that certain facts lead to only one conclusion - that it was hijacked over the South China Sea, pretended to crash there, and flown under control for seven hours to the Southern Indian Ocean.""

Quoting liquidair (Reply 200):
I really cannot see a reason strong enough- I get the whole political statement thing, but honestly if you're smart enough to figure out how to make a 777 disappear, you're also smart enough to realise that you've failed before you've even begun.

Whoever made this 777 disappear did not fail.

So far it is still mission accomplished.

Quoting liquidair (Reply 200):
I actually follow your posts with interest- I'm curious- what do you think is strong enough motive that would allow one of the two to commit such an elaborate, risky, murderous and self destructive act?

We, as unique individuals, are all very different from one another in many ways. We all have our own interests, agendas, goals, motives, tolerances, thresholds, etc... People have done far worse to both themselves and many others for a variety of reasons which is why, IMHO, one of the pilots being responsible for MH370 is very possible when you consider everything that is known about this incident and those involved.

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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 197):
And don't just say depression for Lubtiz like he is the only pilot suffering from depression...

Depression is an understatement for Lubitz. What he did was cold blooded pre-meditated mass murder if facts revealed so far are to be believed that he had practiced this before - http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05...tbound-flight-before-crash-report/

Every one of us go through depression and personal/work related stress. We don't go about killing people. The really depressed people may do stupid things like going on drugs, hurting themselves or taking their own lives. But this guy and the other guys!!! the lesser said the better....who knows if they were faking depression for whatever reason...which we will never know. 2 words describe them the best - mass murderers...because they planned their moves and waited for the right moment.

[Edited 2015-08-15 18:24:54]
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:32 am

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 203):
Lubitz.
Quoting 747megatop (Reply 203):
But this guy and the other guys!!!
Quoting 747megatop (Reply 203):
2 words describe them the best - mass murderers...because they planned their moves and waited for the right moment.

It is a shame that they didn't just jump of a cliff if it had to come down to ending it for them.

It is a shame that they selfishly took so many others with them and affected so many others.
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:02 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 202):
Whoever made this 777 disappear did not fail.

So far it is still mission accomplished.

They didn't fail? HOW did they SUCCEED?
WHAT mission was accomplished?

If it was done for a purpose, and afterwards nobody knows that the purpose is, where's the success in that?
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:11 am

Quoting kurtjeter (Reply 205):

To make a 777 disappear, for whatever reason/motive. thus far, mission accomplished.

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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 206):

I was referring specifically to making the plane disappear for political purposes, or making a statement for whatever reason. Killing almost 300 people doesn't make statement, it makes you an arsehole.

So you've lost before you've begun.

Anyways- I still cannot see any motive.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 202):
'One Downed, One To Go', by Byron Bailey, 15 August, 2015.


""More than a year ago I had a very brief conversation with a colleague (ex-major airline) who works for a government department doing the search planning for MH370. He told me in confidence, and I quote, "that the FBI had supplied, to our ATSB regarding deleted information from the MH370 captain's computer, flight plan waypoints".""

""In February I rang this colleague who confirmed what he had told me. Now that the flaperon has been found I have been unable to contact him for comment.""

""We, the real experts in airline pilots, know that certain facts lead to only one conclusion - that it was hijacked over the South China Sea, pretended to crash there, and flown under control for seven hours to the Southern Indian Ocean.""

Hard, irrefutable, strong & compelling evidence. Clearly.
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:18 am

Quoting liquidair (Reply 207):
Anyways- I still cannot see any motive.

The motive is glaringly obvious. If you care to pretend otherwise, good for you.

Hint: How does the govt. look 17 months post-incident?

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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:42 am

Quoting liquidair (Reply 207)

Quote:
Hard,irrefutable,strong and compelling evidence.Clearly.

My occupation (not experience) with such matters tells me that until we have real "hard,irrefutable evidence" as you call it, chances are we could be 100% wrong.It reminds me of an accident that happened in Greece in 1997: A Yakovlev-42 was lost one night on approach to Thessaloniki.Aviation people were invited to speak on TV and offer their theories about where the plane could have crashed.After three days,still with no trace of the plane in sight,the prime Minister began to feel upset and was thinking of asking from the Americans to help with satellite clues,if possible,because it was getting detrimental to the country's image.On the fourth day and quite by chance, a pilot happened to see a flash in the outskirts of a small forest,a long way to the southwest of Thessaloniki and they were able to find all the wreckage completely hidden among the trees.Needless to say,all the theories were wrong....
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:03 pm

Quoting kurtjeter (Reply 205):
They didn't fail? HOW did they SUCCEED?WHAT mission was accomplished?

To make the Malaysian Government look pretty incompetent?

They lost a777 full of people quite easily and then told lots of lies and changed their story several times as well as mislead other Government and the public and families of those on board etc...

Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 206):
To make a 777 disappear, for whatever reason/motive. thus far, mission accomplished.

If MH370 was some kind of politically motivated incident with the purpose of undermining the Malaysian Government it has been working.

Quoting liquidair (Reply 207):
Killing almost 300 people doesn't make statement, it makes you an arsehole.

Actually, it makes you a mass murderer.

I'm an areshole and I haven't hurt a single sole  
Quoting liquidair (Reply 207):
Hard, irrefutable, strong & compelling evidence. Clearly.

Not really, just former 777 driver Byron Bailey's opinion  
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 210):
To make the Malaysian Government look pretty incompetent?

They lost a777 full of people quite easily and then told lots of lies and changed their story several times as well as mislead other Government and the public and families of those on board etc...

The Malaysian government never looked competent before MH370 - so where is the point ?

A few years ago, the french government lost an A330 full of people. They didn't tell bullshit, but the plane was manufactured in France. Did that make the french government make look incompetent ? The wreckage was only found 2 years after the accident.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 210):
If MH370 was some kind of politically motivated incident with the purpose of undermining the Malaysian Government it has been working.

The same government ist still in office. If undermining it was the aim, they have clearly (an predictably) failded.

I do understand, that for the airline industry the "the pilot did it"-theory is the most convenient for very obvious economic reasons. At least for the time being.
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:43 pm

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 211):
The Malaysian government never looked competent before MH370 - so where is the point ?

Only the person(s) who did this can really answer that or why.

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 211):
A few years ago, the french government lost an A330 full of people.

AF447 crashed where it was supposed to be.

It did not go silent, then turn back and fly across land, and then make some more turns to apparently avoid detection before flying out into the middle of nowhere for another 6+ hours.

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 211):
The same government ist still in office.

It probably will be for another 50 years, but that doesn't mean that certain people or groups won't try to bring it down.
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:44 pm

Quoting oxymorph (Reply 208):

It really isn't that obvious- I don't buy the government ridiculing as a motive.

Quoting gzm (Reply 209):

It was said tongue very much planted in cheek.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 210):
Actually, it makes you a mass murderer.

Exactly- but beyond that no stable minded sane person would think that killing 300 people is going to make any sort of a statement.

And I've not seen anything anywhere which suggests either of the guys at the pointy end had issues.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 210):
If MH370 was some kind of politically motivated incident with the purpose of undermining the Malaysian Government it has been working.

Answered and seconded by myself

Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 211):
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Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:56 pm

Quoting liquidair (Reply 213):
It really isn't that obvious- I don't buy the government ridiculing as a motive.

If you can't see any possible motive in that the Captain was apparently a vocal supporter of the Anwar led opposition, as well as a relative of Anwar through marriage, and Anwar was found guilty of sodomy just hours before the flight... hmmmm... then so be it.

If it wasn't the Captain, then he was so very unlucky to be on that flight or he was intentionally called up to operate that flight by those who knew he would take the heat.

If there was a different Captain on that flight the Captain did it theory might not even be considered as probable  
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:45 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 214):

I honestly don't see that as a motive. There would've been more obvious outward signs of malcontent.
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Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:01 pm

Quoting liquidair (Reply 215):
There would've been more obvious outward signs of malcontent.

Depends on the individual.

Do they want to run their mouth off and let the whole world know what is happening? Or do they keep it to themselves and still get the same job done?

One might consider the impact the above choice would have on their own family and hence decide to just do it without leaving behind some kind of message / admission of guilt / reason.

In this case, if the Anwar verdict was the tipping point, there would not have been a lot of time between the verdict and the flight to actually show any additional signs of malcontent that might be out of character or set off alarm bells.
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:54 pm

IF the crash was intentional, then it was an act of terrorism--not a case of getting mad at one's girlfriend for sleeping around.

Why are there terrorists? IMO, their goal is to instill into the consciousness of the mindless "little Eichmanns" that support the status quo that there are consequences to be paid for their mindless support of the regime du jour.

Whether it ever works is debatable. Sure, McVeigh and Bin Laden managed bring down some buildings and killed hundreds and thousands of Americans. They produced consequences. But did they succeed in bringing down the American regime, or did they simply make it more oppressive than it was before?

Whether it ever works or not, it is the case that terrorism happens. Sometimes it is an organized conspiracy; sometimes it is the lone wolf. And until we can exclude terrorism as a possible cause for the disappearance of the good ship 9M-MRO, it remains a live possibility.

Why is this important at this juncture?

Because as I've said before, "the captain did it" and the "FUBAR accident" scenarios predict different crash sites. At this point the WHY he did it, IF he did it, is less important than the THAT he did it, IF he did it.

The Byron Bailey article mentioned by 777Jet is very interesting: "that the FBI had supplied, to our ATSB regarding deleted information from the MH370 captain's computer, flight plan waypoints."

This has been my major criticism of the so-called "Independent Group"--and I say so-called, because they are not such independent thinkers as they would like to think of themselves, but are in fact subject to their own form of groupthink--namely being married to the FUBAR accident hypothesis (BFO spoofing theories notwithstanding), and thus from the beginning treated the problem as a matter of physics, rather than of psychology.

I still think of that POVUS ISBIX MUTMI RUNUT corridor. All lined up on 189 True. Why are they lined up that way? Rather than on a meridian or something? Because they literally lead to nowhere.

What, you ask, about the SATCOM repowering? A: I... DON'T... KNOW.... Why did Jack the Ripper send letters to the police? Doesn't really make sense, but he did it anyway... Maybe it was never powered down in the first place and was misaligned. Who's to say....

Bottom Line: while the SATCOM repowering is very mysterious, it does not in itself falsify the captain did it hypothesis; I'm going to take another crack at this.

[Edited 2015-08-16 11:16:44]
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:04 am

Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 217):
What, you ask, about the SATCOM repowering? A: I... DON'T... KNOW.... Why did Jack the Ripper send letters to the police? Doesn't really make sense, but he did it anyway... Maybe it was never powered down in the first place and was misaligned. Who's to say....Bottom Line: while the SATCOM repowering is very mysterious, it does not in itself falsify the captain did it hypothesis; I'm going to take another crack at this.

Well said.

That is one issue I have had with the "the Captain did it theorists can't explain the SatCom repowering" group. Why? Because, like you said, if that is what happened - it happened - it doesn't really matter if we can't explain why at this stage. It happened for a reason, and whatever that reason, it still happened.

Was it a mistake / error in judgement? Was it intentional? Did the Captain even do it - it could have been SatCom initiated? Who knows, but it happened.

The SatCom came back online under whatever scenario happened.

Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 217):
The Byron Bailey article mentioned by 777Jet is very interesting: "that the FBI had supplied, to our ATSB regarding deleted information from the MH370 captain's computer, flight plan waypoints."

I still can't find an online version of that full page print article yet, which surprised me (almost as much as the amount of MH370 articles this same ex-777 driver writes)... Good on him though, I can't wait to read what he writes next.

If only we knew what the said waypoints were...

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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 197):
Is there something that you know that makes you think that Z was not capable of doing what we are discussing?

No, I don't know the guy, but I'm hesitant to hold him responsible for the crime because I don't have a reason why he didn't do it, as opposed to having a reason why he did. For example in law, the burden of proof lies with the prosecutor as opposed to the defendant. Its the prosecutors responsibility to prove the defendant did it, not the defendants responsibility to prove he didn't.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 197):
I know that and understand that. But if one of the pilots did it, whether it was premeditated or not, the end result was still the same regardless of legal semantics.

Of course, but there is a difference and it does matter. If Z did do it, and it was influenced by the verdict before, then he didn't really 'snap'. If he did, he would have done something right after the verdict. To hold his composure until the flight is completely different. He would have had a chance to calm down and think things through. It makes the act much worse and unexplainable.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 197):
was there anything to suggest that any of the four pilots I mentioned above were capable of doing what they did before their flight?

Those cases were wrapped up fairly quickly and the reasons found meaning there wasn't a real reason to look through their history. With a case like MH370 where the reasons are still unknown there has been ample opportunity for something to surface implicating him but still nothing significant has been found. It's still all speculation at this point.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:58 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 199):
why is it that the Indonesian NTSC regarding SilkAir 185 and the Egyptian ECAA regarding EgyptAir 990 couldn't see such compelling motives

There will always be disagreements by some when it is inconvenient, but there is a generally accepted conclusion to those.

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 201):
Nobody has a mass murderer/is suicidal signboard in big capital letters hanging around his neck nor do they go about convincing people that they are going to do a despicable act.

That's true, but it gets a bit tricky when no proof of something is somehow proof of something. ie he wouldn't have done anything beforehand that would implicate him so therefore he must have committed this crime.

Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 217):
At this point the WHY he did it, IF he did it, is less important than the THAT he did it, IF he did it

Very true, in fact it's completely irrelevant if we know he committed this crime. But in determining whether he did it, it is important because otherwise we may be implicating him without good cause.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 218):
That is one issue I have had with the "the Captain did it theorists can't explain the SatCom repowering" group. Why? Because, like you said, if that is what happened - it happened - it doesn't really matter if we can't explain why at this stage. It happened for a reason, and whatever that reason, it still happened.

The problem with this is that anything can be explained away with the captain/pilots did it. Even if for example Z made a call for help on the radio there would be people saying that it was planned to make it look like it wasn't him. Scenarios not involving the crew or passengers don't suffer from this problem, as every action has to be explained fully.

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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting AIRWALK (Reply 219):
For example in law, the burden of proof lies with the prosecutor as opposed to the defendant. Its the prosecutors responsibility to prove the defendant did it, not the defendants responsibility to prove he didn't.

Correct!
And with that we have come full circle back to the very early parts..!!
One cannot prove a negative!
This is so in science and, as you indicated, seems to be the same in law.
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Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:19 pm

Quoting AIRWALK (Reply 219):
For example in law, the burden of proof lies with the prosecutor as opposed to the defendant. Its the prosecutors responsibility to prove the defendant did it, not the defendants responsibility to prove he didn't.

Not everywhere, unfortunately...

Quoting AIRWALK (Reply 219):
If Z did do it, and it was influenced by the verdict before, then he didn't really 'snap'.

The verdict could have lit the fuse. Something that happened later on could have been the tipping point.

Did the young FO whose father was an official in the Government that Career Captain Z disliked so much say something that made things worse?

Who really knows.

Until there is more evidence or a proper analysis of the flaperon is released at least, most people's 'most likely scenario' won't change and the fence sitters will continue to do just that and look for holes in the scenarios - which is all some people, who haven't yet really bothered to work on any scenario, have been doing.

Quoting AIRWALK (Reply 220):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 199):why is it that the Indonesian NTSC regarding SilkAir 185 and the Egyptian ECAA regarding EgyptAir 990 couldn't see such compelling motives

There will always be disagreements by some when it is inconvenient, but there is a generally accepted conclusion to those.

No worries then that only the relevant Air / Transport Safety Boards in some of the countries involved don't accept the same conclusion... I guess that's just normal...

Quoting YoungMans (Reply 221):
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

They sure do, especially extraordinary claims such as the MH370 Inmarsat data was spoofed and the plane landed somewhere as part of some sophisticated / false-flag operation  

Those claims require some very extraordinary evidence!
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 218):
If only we knew what the said waypoints were...

If they were in any way meaningful in this debate, it would have leaked somehow and would be widely "known" by now.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting PW100 (Reply 223):
If they were in any way meaningful in this debate, it would have leaked somehow and would be widely "known" by now.

I'm not necessarily claiming you agree with what I'm writing, but I'll use your statement to add a comment . . . .

IMHO if it was a conspiracy surely it would have leaked by now, or some enterprising investigative reporter would have filed, etc.
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 218):
The SatCom came back online under whatever scenario happened.

What an evasive cop out. Take that logic of yours one step further: the airplane diverted under whatever scenario happened. Therefore, there is no need to invoke any dark machinations by the captain since we know whatever scenario just happened. If that doesn't sound right, it's because you started from the unsubstantiated premise that the captain was filled with ill intent.

The satcom logon is an important clue and it happened for a reason.
 
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Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:36 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 218):
If only we knew what the said waypoints were...

We won't know, because if the info would disperse the mystery without giving away more sinister implications, It would have been made public. Since thread 10 someone said it and here we are still in the dark, and know somebody knows some waypoints....

Quoting PW100 (Reply 223):
If they were in any way meaningful in this debate, it would have leaked somehow and would be widely "known" by now.

I don't think so, read above.

I think that that statement of the "waypoints", points more towards saying the pilots (one or the other) did it than trying to give actual info.

In the mean time the satcom only means that somebody was still alive, and doing things "up there" after hours of being "lost".... who, why or how... we might never know.

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Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:01 am

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 225):
The satcom logon is an important clue and it happened for a reason.

And what is the reason under your 'crew oxygen bottle explosion in the EE bay' scenario?

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 226):
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 218):If only we knew what the said waypoints were...

We won't know, because if the info would disperse the mystery without giving away more sinister implications, It would have been made public.

Actually, if there was nothing to the waypoints and they could relieve some of the probability / blame off of the good Captain given the articles by the likes of former 777 pilots that point to the Captain then that would be a good reason to release that info.

Why only release that info if it strengthens some scenarios? Why not release that if it also helps rule out some scenarios?

Releasing or not releasing that info can work both ways  
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:28 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 227):
And what is the reason under your 'crew oxygen bottle explosion in the EE bay' scenario?

Oh, I don't pretend to know what the reason actually was, but there had to be one. That said, a major simultaneous failure of multiple systems (be it due to an explosion, or a fire, or an O2 bottle demolishing the cockpit floor structure, or what have you) would, if it didn't result in an immediate crash, trigger a protracted effort to troubleshoot the state of various airplane systems. That process could take quite some time, and might involve turning things off and back on.
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:15 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 197):
"neither of them had any reason to" - really?

You can't think of anything at all?
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 199):
Those who are able to connect the dots can see a possible motive.

I still need to have something that can give even a remotely satisfactory explanation as to why a stout atheist should be so closely connected emotionally to a strong Muslim politician such as Anwar Ibrahim who throughout his entire career as a politician and in his capacity as chairman of a strong Muslim youth organisations has been working on reforming Malay Islam based on strong influence and support from Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabism. Add to this that Anwar as a politician - before his fall from glory and grace - has been very, very close to the political center of power.
 
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RE: Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing KUL-PEK Part 81

Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:58 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 227):
Actually, if there was nothing to the waypoints and they could relieve some of the probability / blame off of the good Captain given the articles by the likes of former 777 pilots that point to the Captain then that would be a good reason to release that info.

Why only release that info if it strengthens some scenarios? Why not release that if it also helps rule out some scenarios?

Those comments are a good indicator that we are dealing with a conspiracy.
The conspiracy being that those who have the knowledge are conspiring, behind the scenes, to withhold information from the public that could be released to clarify specific issues.

If we have one conspiracy, regarding just one item, then it is possible and likely that there is a whole range of conspiracies, if not one big massive one. (... which I personally suspect.)

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 222):
They sure do, especially extraordinary claims such as the MH370 Inmarsat data was spoofed and the plane landed somewhere as part of some sophisticated / false-flag operation  

Those claims require some very extraordinary evidence!

I like the 'Big-Grin Smiley'.
Of course I don't have that 'extra ordinary evidence'! How can I?
Like everyone else here, I can only go by the information (evidence) that is publicly available; no more, no less.
However, just because I personally can't 'prove' something, it doesn't automatically make it wrong what I'm suspecting.

Since you mentioned Inmarsat, absolute proof of that data being true and correct comes only when they find the aircraft, in roughly the area where they say it ought to be.
Everything else has an element of doubt hanging over it, even if ever so slightly.

And since we are dealing with at least some conspiracies, there is chance, however small that may be, that we are dealing with a really big one.

That may also be the reason why many people, especially from the aviation industry, would find it more palatable if the 'Captain did it'.
 
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