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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:12 pm
by JAmie2k9
Quoting factsonly (Reply 36):

UK market is slightly different than Europe. I would agree with the conciseness that EI will be fine, they have not been affected on DUB-BRU (yes profit probably highly) but not frequency. EI have forced FR to keep flight prices really really low.

FR try so hard to copy the exact same schedules to shift EI off routes but it never works and EI then catch them out by launching places such as LPL and EMA where FR are forced to dump capacity and try shift them off the routes but it doesn't work. Capacity that would of been previously cut as it was loss making.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 40):

2 daily would be mad from SNN with FR, daily at best but can't see them launching a service as yield would need to be good and I don't think SNN would be top of the queue for limited slots.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 43):

I am guessing this swap was to make up for the swap a few days ago before the 07.50 JFK departed. Perhaps maintenance is carried out in SNN and there is no much time for it in DUB with such schedules?

[Edited 2015-07-08 07:14:02]

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:41 pm
by AmricanShamrok
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 47):

A350 in Dublin today

Are the A350s intended to replace the A330 fleet or compliment it?

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:52 pm
by A60Stock
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 52):

Replacement only, if I'm not much mistaken.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:56 pm
by JAmie2k9
Quoting A60Stock (Reply 54):

I think that would of been the first plan but by 2020 they will have 10 long haul A330 aircraft and only 9 A350. The really old ones such as LAX/DAA will be first to go but think we will see a couple of A330 stick around a little longer until they get more A350 or whatever type to replace them.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:21 pm
by OA260
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 52):
Are the A350s intended to replace the A330 fleet or compliment it?

Depending on what happens with IAG and new routes I heard there could be up to 4 being kept for a while longer than planned.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:11 pm
by shamrock350
Looked like the A350 visit was a really a nice event for those involved. Aer Lingus are said to be in the implementation planning phase with their A350s.

Here's a few photos from Airbus.





Shamrock350

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:35 pm
by SURFER
Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 50):

There isn't much time for it in either Shannon or Dublin, Tuesdays as far as I remember is when checks are carried out so they have to rotate the 3 aircraft accordingly. Air contractors have there maintenance facility located in SNN where they also look after there 737's and ATR's. They have there own hangar.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:45 pm
by shamrock350
Rumour on another forum that Emirates is set to begin A380 service to Dublin from next March, the 300 stands apparently being modified? It was only a matter of time with all those A380s on order but next summer would be sooner than I thought.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:51 pm
by JAmie2k9
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 57):

I can confirm tenders went out for 300 stands recently but can't confirm March start date but think it could be it this time.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:00 pm
by kaitak
Oddly the flight they are planning to use it on is the late evening arrival/departure, which has often had poor loads. No doubt aiming for the Australian market?

Still, thought the day flight would have got it first, but great news anyway if it comes to fruition!

Largest pax aircraft to operate regularly to DUB since EI retired the 747.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:18 pm
by EI121
Quoting kaitak (Reply 59):

Oddly the flight they are planning to use it on is the late evening arrival/departure, which has often had poor loads. No doubt aiming for the Australian market?

Still, thought the day flight would have got it first, but great news anyway if it comes to fruition!

Largest pax aircraft to operate regularly to DUB since EI retired the 747.

I was thinking the same. Surely would be more logical for the afternoon flight to get the upgrade for the Australian etc connections .

Just curious how do you know the second flight has experienced poor loads?

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:24 pm
by shamrock350
Quoting kaitak (Reply 59):
Largest pax aircraft to operate regularly to DUB since EI retired the 747.

Yes but only just! The 77W is longer and has a bigger wingspan but the 741 is slightly taller and has a wider fuselage. Side by side the two would be comparable but the A380? That's going to be some sight, bound to dwarf everything around it!

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:08 am
by Eirules
Excellent news, always good to see growth & diversity of aircraft. I'd have thought the A380 very premium heavy for DUB though... Perhaps preempting QR joining the market if IAG are successful?

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:27 am
by kaitak
Quoting EI121 (Reply 60):
Just curious how do you know the second flight has experienced poor loads?

It was discussed on various forums a few months ago, with some flights having ATR42 size loads!

Maybe it has recovered since then; I guess it must have if they're thinking of putting a 380 on it.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:41 am
by ThrottleHold
Quoting kaitak (Reply 63):

Quoting EI121 (Reply 60):
Just curious how do you know the second flight has experienced poor loads?

It was discussed on various forums a few months ago, with some flights having ATR42 size loads!

Maybe it has recovered since then; I guess it must have if they're thinking of putting a 380 on it.

Service has been operated on a 2 class aircraft a lot recently due to very high economy loads.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:54 am
by OA260
Quoting kaitak (Reply 63):
It was discussed on various forums a few months ago, with some flights having ATR42 size loads!

You will always get the odd flight that for whatever reasons has a very light load. Thats rare though.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 62):
Perhaps preempting QR joining the market if IAG are successful?

If QR come in then its thought we will loose one of the current carriers. That seems to be the general mood. With EY/EK they are doing well ( One better than the other ) but a 3rd would change that depending on what frequency QR would offer.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:57 am
by AirPacific747
I didn't realise Ryanair had two different tail designs. Must be on purpose because the logo on the front are the same. When did they update it?


RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:04 am
by EI121
Quoting kaitak (Reply 63):
It was discussed on various forums a few months ago, with some flights having ATR42 size loads!

Maybe it has recovered since then; I guess it must have if they're thinking of putting a 380 on it.

Oh wow!!  Wow! However I would imagine the evening flight would be focusing more on O & D traffic.

With CPH getting the first 2 class A380 by the end of the year. Maybe DUB may follow. However First Class has been offered since the route started 2012. Which is not the case with CPH.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:44 am
by misterar
Quoting OA260 (Reply 65):
If QR come in then its thought we will loose one of the current carriers. That seems to be the general mood. With EY/EK they are doing well ( One better than the other ) but a 3rd would change that depending on what frequency QR would offer.

Which is generally thought to be doing better out of interest? Just reading from the above it would suggest EY, they've also been in the market a bit longer, but previous posts have suggested EK. Just curious to know.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:53 am
by Cipango
Quoting misterar (Reply 68):
Which is generally thought to be doing better out of interest? Just reading from the above it would suggest EY, they've also been in the market a bit longer, but previous posts have suggested EK. Just curious to know.

I would say EK are doing better than EY. EY had 77W's on the DUB route but downgraded due to "poor loads".

I have only flown EY a few times from DUB and loads were good but I have flown EK many times from DUB and loads have always been close to 100% (bar one DXB-DUB flight when loads were around 60%). I know it is hard to judge from personal experience but even with friends and colleagues who have flown EK they also had completely full flights.

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US/AA 728 (A330-300, N727AY) PHL-LHR diverted to DUB this morning, anyone have any idea why? Medical emergency?

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:12 am
by OA260
Quoting misterar (Reply 68):
Which is generally thought to be doing better out of interest? Just reading from the above it would suggest EY, they've also been in the market a bit longer, but previous posts have suggested EK. Just curious to know.

Well you have a case of one airline can be full up the front and lighter down the back and vv. So a perception of someone doing better may not be the case. Im afraid it would be wrong for me to go further into figures as it would be a breech of confidence. Thats if the source is reliable but thus far they have been spot on.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:14 am
by ei912
Quoting EI121 (Reply 60):
Surely would be more logical for the afternoon flight to get the upgrade for the Australian etc connections .

The evening flight actually has much better connections to Australia/NZ than the afternoon flight as well as plenty of connections to Africa/Asia/Subcontinent also. However it is timed a little late from both DXB & DUB. Flight does fine in the peak but a bit weaker between seasons.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:25 am
by misterar
Thanks for the replies all, just curious as I say. I have flown EY ex DUB and the loads were healthy, but that was in the early days. I do wonder if there is room for QR, but time will tell I guess.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:14 am
by frostyj
According to wikipedia 200,000 few to Dubai and 300,000 to Abu Dhabi

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:22 am
by Cipango
Quoting frostyj (Reply 73):
According to wikipedia 200,000 few to Dubai and 300,000 to Abu Dhabi

If you're referring to the Dublin Airport wikipedia page then 288,000 flew to Dubai and 301,000 flew to AUH in 2014.

The EK 163/164 (second daily flight) only started in September 2014 so the 2015 numbers will be more of a representation of the DXB/AUH flights. However if EK has more more passengers in 2015, it doesn't mean it is the better of the two. EY have 2x Daily A332 which for them may be a lot more economical and profitable than EK flying 2x Daily 77W's.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:48 pm
by BA777
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 66):
I didn't realise Ryanair had two different tail designs. Must be on purpose because the logo on the front are the same. When did they update it?

The tail design and the logo on the forward fuselage are at a different angle, yes. And the font of the titles is very slightly different too, not quite as bold.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:42 pm
by Eirules
Early days yet but both AA & UA have their flights to DUB loaded for next summer.

Despite the predictions, all 4 AA routes return with CLT & PHL down as operating by 332s. JFK & ORD remain as 752 & 763 respectively.

No changes for UA either. The 2 daily EWR flight resumes (I think it's starting earlier next year, its operating from end of May 2016) while ORD has obviously done enough in its few weeks so far to earn a return for 2016, again from end of May.

Just have to wait on DL & their notoriously changeable schedule and EI with their notoriously late schedule...

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:16 pm
by frostyj
Quoting EIRules (Reply 76):

That's good that United has kept it's flights but you'd think they'd upgrade at least one of the flights to a 767-300.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:45 pm
by Cipango
Quoting EIRules (Reply 76):
That's good that United has kept it's flights but you'd think they'd upgrade at least one of the flights to a 767-300.

It would appear that UA prefers frequency with DUB over capacity.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:51 pm
by frostyj
It seems so but I think they could upgrade one of the busier flights..

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:02 pm
by Cipango
Quoting frostyj (Reply 79):

It seems so but I think they could upgrade one of the busier flights..

I'm sure if it made complete economic sense for them to do so, and the DUB route was the most advantageous use of the 763 then UA would put it on the route.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:08 pm
by frostyj
Well both flights have went out full today and with few seats left over the last few days.

It's only an increase of 40 seats.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:28 pm
by JAmie2k9
Quoting frostyj (Reply 81):

They don't have the wide bodies to increase capacity, longer routes need them which is why DUB/LHR will continue to see 752's for a while longer.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:41 pm
by gullairACK
Quoting frostyj (Reply 77):
That's good that United has kept it's flights but you'd think they'd upgrade at least one of the flights to a 767-300.

The way I understand it, this is a place keeping filing aligned to the IATA 2016 seasonality to permit bookings to be made 11 months out...industry norm is 11 or 12 months out. The aircraft type will be assessed early winter 15 (they look at advance loads and availability of type versus suitability). Usually by the New Year, you have your correct aircraft and often some weeks are added/cut back to reflect historical performance. Ireland is unique that our "peak"season is aided by St Patrick's Day while the rest of Europe is dependent on Easter placement to define their start. I suspect the double EWR is about right, but the Chicago might be able to go a bit earlier based on overall performance this year. It was an unusually short launch season this year.

In my view, the peak season has moved earlier with April, May and June stronger than a decade+ ago, but mid August and beyond is much quieter as American's now prioritise the return to school and require more preparation, be it shopping or actually "moving in".

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:05 pm
by EIBusiness
I'm sitting here @ DUB and once again I'm waiting on another DELAYED Aer Lingus departure. I've taken over 10 EI flights in the past 5 weeks and NOT ONE flight has been on time; be that at DUB or European outposts.

Crumbling on time performance; a ''flagship'' lounge supposedly part of a superior Businsss Class product that is stocked to the bare minimum and nothing but continued excuses onboard blaming previous passenger demand for there being not more than a few scraps available for purchase onboard.

How EI has declined over the course of the past year... In the same period I've taken 4 FR flights; and ALL of them were ahead of schedule. All this spin we hear about 'Smart Flies Aer Lingus' is nothing but marketing spin and rubbish. Anyone smart with commitments at the other end on arrival would actively avoid EI given recent performance....!

EIBusiness

[Edited 2015-07-09 09:09:05]

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:07 pm
by Eagleboy
Quoting frostyj (Reply 77):
That's good that United has kept it's flights but you'd think they'd upgrade at least one of the flights to a 767-300
Quoting frostyj (Reply 79):
It seems so but I think they could upgrade one of the busier flights..
Quoting frostyj (Reply 81):
Well both flights have went out full today and with few seats left over the last few days.

It's only an increase of 40 seats.

I can't believe that United aren't listening to the sage advice of frostj

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:12 pm
by Eagleboy
Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 84):
and nothing but continued excuses onboard blaming previous passenger demand for there being not more than a few scraps available for purchase onboard.

Previous demand my arse, the catering debacle is purely the result of one senior mngr trying prioritising "reduction in waste" and another tryig to lower "the human resource costs" of the catering section.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 84):
All this spin we here about 'Smart Flies Aer Lingus' is nothing but marketing spin and rubbish. Anyone smart with commitments at the other end on arrival would actively avoid EI given recent performance....!

I can think if 2 individuals at the top in EI who need to be held accountable for the tottering operation. S.K and M.R.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:31 pm
by dstc47
Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 84):
I'm waiting on another DELAYED Aer Lingus departure

I know the feeling.
If I had even a drachma for each delayed flight when on business in a past life due to regular, predictive delays I would be very wealthy. Of course most times no apology either or just a very cursory one. Same routes.
I even had a colleague who shifted exclusively to the more inconvenient Ryanair services from out of town airports, on the principle that at least you knew what you were getting and would get out on time and home on time, whereas EI were usually an hour or even more late inbound.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:32 pm
by OA260
Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 84):
Crumbling on time performance; a ''flagship'' lounge supposedly part of a superior Businsss Class product that is stocked to the bare minimum and nothing but continued excuses onboard blaming previous passenger demand for there being not more than a few scraps available for purchase onboard.

I dont think they could strip out the bar anymore in the EI lounge. I think the crew are nearly as fed up with having to make up excuses to be honest. Maybe the crew should tell it like it is and blame management but then Im sure they would be victimised if caught or a complaint was made. There are times when I clash with crew opinions but this is one where I have sympathy with them.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:33 pm
by ThrottleHold
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 86):
Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 84):
and nothing but continued excuses onboard blaming previous passenger demand for there being not more than a few scraps available for purchase onboard.

Previous demand my arse, the catering debacle is purely the result of one senior mngr trying prioritising "reduction in waste" and another tryig to lower "the human resource costs" of the catering section.

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 84):
All this spin we here about 'Smart Flies Aer Lingus' is nothing but marketing spin and rubbish. Anyone smart with commitments at the other end on arrival would actively avoid EI given recent performance....!

I can think if 2 individuals at the top in EI who need to be held accountable for the tottering operation. S.K and M.R.

Well said Eagle.
The only people to blame for these debacles are EI management.
Although going by EIbusiness's posting history, he'll say it's definitely the staffs fault and nothing to do with wonderful managers.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:04 pm
by EIBusiness
@ ThrottleHold. I'm sitting here now one hour late at the stand; onboard the aircraft (EI) watching the ground crew leisurely stroll around; laughing. Now; while I'm not saying it's their fault - a bit of expedience wouldn't go amiss.

And to be honest; whoever is to blame (clearly inept leadership at the very top of EI which was well expected when CM moved on); it's the likes of me; loyal frequent EI passengers who are suffering time and time again. I could not give a toss as to the internal politics; I paid EUR 600+ for this round (short) Euro trip to be left sitting delayed once again. I now have already missed a connecting train....

So; quit the narrow minded slight talking and see the bigger picture: that is; passengers don't give a damn who is to blame; they are ultimately being run over rough shod by internal incompetence at EI. The IAG takeover cannot happen quick enough to clear out the remaining incompetence that persists at EI; at whatever level that may be.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:15 pm
by AmricanShamrok
Quoting gullairACK (Reply 83):
It was an unusually short launch season this year.

Actually, it's quite normal for UA to launch a new transatlantic route from ORD with the bare minimum 12-week peak season schedule initially. ORD-SNN and ORD-EDI were the same, with their seasons being extended after the first summer of operation. This year, UA's ORD-SNN has a longer run than ORD-DUB as the former has proven itself to warrant the extra capacity based on previous seasons while the latter needs to prove itself before the extra capacity is added.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:27 pm
by gullairACK
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 91):
ORD-SNN and ORD-EDI were the same

Interesting. Yes, I checked and SNNORD was even less in launch year with only 9 weeks, DUBORD is about 11 weeks.

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:31 pm
by ThrottleHold
Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 90):

@ ThrottleHold. I'm sitting here now one hour late at the stand; onboard the aircraft (EI) watching the ground crew leisurely stroll around; laughing. Now; while I'm not saying it's their fault - a bit of expedience wouldn't go amiss.

And to be honest; whoever is to blame (clearly inept leadership at the very top of EI which was well expected when CM moved on); it's the likes of me; loyal frequent EI passengers who are suffering time and time again. I could not give a toss as to the internal politics; I paid EUR 600+ for this round (short) Euro trip to be left sitting delayed once again. I now have already missed a connecting train....

So; quit the narrow minded slight talking and see the bigger picture: that is; passengers don't give a damn who is to blame; they are ultimately being run over rough shod by internal incompetence at EI. The IAG takeover cannot happen quick enough to clear out the remaining incompetence that persists at EI; at whatever level that may be.


Yawn...
You're free to book Ryanair next time...and get the bus to where you actually want to go.
Toodlepip!

[Edited 2015-07-09 10:33:04]

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 5:38 pm
by AmricanShamrok
Quoting gullairACK (Reply 92):
Yes, I checked and SNNORD was even less in launch year with only 9 weeks, DUBORD is about 11 weeks.

No, ORD-SNN was launched with 12 weeks' service (as per below). ORD-DUB was launched with 10.5 weeks.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...announce_new_route_to_Chicago.aspx

http://newsroom.united.com/2014-11-2...ns-Atlantic-Routes-for-Summer-2015

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:09 pm
by ClassicLover
Quoting OA260 (Reply 88):
I dont think they could strip out the bar anymore in the EI lounge.

I actually went to the Chocolate Lounge instead of the EI lounge on my last trip - rather enjoyed that! I could eat myself into whale size at that place - just delicious!

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:18 pm
by gullairACK
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 94):
No, ORD-SNN was launched with 12 weeks' service (as per below). ORD-DUB was launched with 10.5 weeks.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo....aspx

Sorry, discrepancy in reported dates. Shannon Airport Authority said it was launching 06JUN, United said 16JUN-23AUG per news release.

http://hub.united.com/en-us/news/com...es/united-launches-new-routes.aspx

Actual date ended up being the 06/07JUN.

[Edited 2015-07-09 11:21:08]

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:28 pm
by AmricanShamrok
Quoting gullairACK (Reply 96):
Discrepancy in reported dates. Shannon Airport Authority said it was launching 06JUN, United said 16JUN-23AUG.

Yes, the discrepancy lies with UA, that's why I posted the SNN article. He's another press release dated 7th July 2013, the day after it launched. If you look back on their Facebook pages (both SNN and UA) you will see inaugural pics taken at the gate on that date.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...top_Shannon_-_Chicago_Service.aspx

Listen, we're clutching at straws here, my point is: UA launches transatlantic routes with a short season initially; ORD-DUB will probably be extended next year. Also, contrary to popular belief, and as demonstrated by UA, DUB is not the centre of the aviation world and should not always expect a new daily year-round long haul route handed to them on a plate.  

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:34 pm
by gullairACK
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 97):
DUB is not the centre of the aviation world and should not always expect a new daily year-round long haul route handed to them on a plate.  

whisper...Cork - US...

RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:44 pm
by OA260
Quoting classiclover (Reply 95):
I actually went to the Chocolate Lounge instead of the EI lounge on my last trip - rather enjoyed that! I could eat myself into whale size at that place - just delicious!

Yes its been a fav of mine since day one. Recently my flights have been dreaded 0600 or around that time so can't face it at that time in the morning.   Will be back shortly though.

Hopefully in future we will see a turn around in the catering in the GC lounge. Even choices such as the BA one in BHD would be a major step up.

I wonder in future if we will ever see the lounge split. Maybe better catering for TATL J class upstairs. FF Y pax and European flights downstairs.