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Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:04 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 149):
I'm thinking in terms of replacing the MD-11 on its original, intended mission for FedEx. It was not supposed to be used domestically, that's really a somewhat new development. Before the 777 entered the fleet you didn't seen many MD-11s flying domestic routes.

The 787 is a lighter aircraft with less payload/range. (Yes, it has enormous range with a much lighter payload, but as with all light modern aircraft the curve is steeper.) I think a 789F would do great on domestic and short TATL flights but won't be able to do the long TPAC missions the 777F does. It's a matter of waiting until Boeing needs the F to keep the production line full, which will probably happen in the mid-2020s. Lots of time to take more 767Fs to replace all of the remaining MDs/A310s/A300 P2Fs, and in a decade or so, all the rest of the A300Fs.
 
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Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 125):

And what's the point of an all Boeing fleet? An all Boeing fleet just gives them less leverage when ordering new aircraft. There's commonality between the 757 and 767 in some areas, but other than that I don't see an upside.

less types and less OEMs will always save money.

and in ordering airplanes, WN and AS are getting the same (ball park) discounts on 737s AA/UA/DL are. Boeing and Airbus will work just as hard to keep an airline all one OEM as hard as they will to crack into a new market/airline.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:49 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 149):
I'm thinking in terms of replacing the MD-11 on its original, intended mission for FedEx. It was not supposed to be used domestically, that's really a somewhat new development. Before the 777 entered the fleet you didn't seen many MD-11s flying domestic routes.

I thought that was what the 777 was for to start replacing the heavy lifters MD-11's and DC10-30's on Int'l routes more economically. Do you think more 777's might replace them, new or used down the line?
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:54 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 150):
Quoting ATA L1011 (Reply 152):

As I see it, the 777F is not going to be replaced anytime in the foreseeable future. It does the heavy lifting, MEM-international hub type routes. The 787F would seem to be great for the thinner routes - functioning the same way, theoretically, that it does for the passenger airlines - and for the smaller domestic hubs to international markets. Say, MEM-XXX uses the 777 but IND/OAK-XXX uses the 787. Note that when I say 787 I also feel it could easily be the A350.

Word going around is that FX has decided to take delivery of the deferred 777 orders. I think that really would seem to spell the end for MD-11 transcon routes bringing them all back domestically until they are retired. Which is a good thing regarding their dispatch reliability. It's better to break down at home, per se, than thousands of miles away.
 
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 153):
Word going around is that FX has decided to take delivery of the deferred 777 orders.

Along with the yet to be confirmed addition of 767Fs as per this thread, that would mean an awful lot of spending, no?
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 154):
Along with the yet to be confirmed addition of 767Fs as per this thread, that would mean an awful lot of spending, no?

Yes. FedEx has been on a bit of a spending spree lately. They must feel very confident with future dividends from buying up TNT.
 
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Quoting N328KF (Reply 156):
50 orders, 50 options

So MD-10 and A310 replacement now with A300 replacement later.
 
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:17 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 156):

Thanks for posting it. Great news of course.

Interesting quote: "With this order, FedEx Express now holds a total of 106 firm orders for 767Fs from The Boeing Company through fiscal 2023."

This will make them the largest 767 operator over DL who has ~95 767s.

Nice work to Leeham for breaking this news even if the 77F didn't happen (yet).

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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 158):

DL will also start retiring some 767s this year and will be taking 330neos to replace some of theirs so FX will likely surpass DL within a few years.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:46 am

All we need now is for UPS to order the aircraft! An order fir fifty would equate to a production rate of 2/month before tanker builds.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:59 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 160):
All we need now is for UPS to order the aircraft!

I think a combination 777F/767-300F order would probably work pretty well for them as a replacement for their 38 MD-11s.    Judging by the current MD-11 usage I think they could use around 10 777Fs and 30 additional 767-300Fs.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:41 pm

I thought the tradition on airliners.net was to start a new thread when a topic is confirmed. That is why I started a new thread, as KarelXWB started this thread. I by no means tried to offend you KarelXWB or hijack your thread. I really appriciate your insight in commercial aviation news, and your contribution to Airliners.net is really high quality. You posted this on airliners 14 days before FedEx announced it themselves! Kudos to you! My thead was deleted, so there may not be the tradition I thought tha are romur turning true warrants its own thread. Anyway:


According to a press release, FedEx will acquire 50 767-300F. This order comes as Boeing is planning a small ramp up in production.

https://investors.fedex.com/news-and-events/investor-news/news-release-details/2015/FedEx-Express-Plans-to-Acquire-50-Additional-Boeing-767-300F-Aircraft/default.aspx
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:55 pm

I suggest that his thread be renamed to Fedex Orders 50/Options 50 767-300F as this topic no longer accurately reflects reality. I don't know why the other was deleted.

My .02

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Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:28 pm

When was the last delivery of a passenger 767 and to what airline was it delivered?

Thanks
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:51 pm

Quoting mcg (Reply 164):
When was the last delivery of a passenger 767 and to what airline was it delivered?

Air Astana, late July 2014.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:57 am

Where did the new thread go? Why isn't this thread locked?


http://www.wsj.com/articles/fedex-to...0-boeing-767-freighters-1437522505
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:27 am

Quoting oykie (Reply 162):
I thought the tradition on airliners.net was to start a new thread when a topic is confirmed. That is why I started a new thread, as KarelXWB started this thread. I by no means tried to offend you KarelXWB or hijack your thread.

It's not about hijacking and I certainly do not feel offended my friend. Discussing the same subject in two threads is just not handy because people will ask the same questions, i.e. you get duplicate content. Renaming the active thread would be better.
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 167):

I agree my friend. Renaming threads would be highly welcomed  

Also a big thank to Revelation and Stitch for cockpit info. It seems like the KC-46 cockpit is more redone than the FedEx with three compared to four displays. I would gues the commonality takes a hit on the KC-46 and that is why they do not do the same cockpit for all?
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:32 pm

Wow. Fedex and the USAF are keeping the Model T alive!

Any color, as long as its grey or purple.

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Quoting oykie (Reply 168):
It seems like the KC-46 cockpit is more redone than the FedEx with three compared to four displays. I would gues the commonality takes a hit on the KC-46 and that is why they do not do the same cockpit for all?

Also, the KC-46 is a "government job". While they had some intense competition from Airbus to get the gig, at the end of the day they still had to impress the USAF blue suiters to get the gig.

Quoting na (Reply 169):
Wow. Fedex and the USAF are keeping the Model T alive!

Rumours of the death of the 767 are somewhat exaggerated. See for instance the "UA 763 Overhaul To Improve Dispatch Reliability" thread...
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:58 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 168):
Also a big thank to Revelation and Stitch for cockpit info. It seems like the KC-46 cockpit is more redone than the FedEx with three compared to four displays. I would gues the commonality takes a hit on the KC-46 and that is why they do not do the same cockpit for all?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajbufalino/15360526107/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajbufalino/15529707510/

Isn't this cockpit already upgraded or will they get another screen/hardware layout in the future?


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Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 165):

Quoting mcg (Reply 164):
When was the last delivery of a passenger 767 and to what airline was it delivered?

Air Astana, late July 2014.

Thank you very much for the info.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 156):
50 orders, 50 options, no 777F.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150721006667/en/#.Va7BZOM8KJJ

Boeing has just updated their orders for the week. FX has ordered 46 767F according to their spreadsheet though there has been no media release from Boeing.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/index.page#/orders-deliveries
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Quoting qf789 (Reply 173):

There is a media release, just not the one everyone reads which is Boeing News (internal news). It was explained that the 46 was added to the book but the remaining four will be added later once additional contingencies are met.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:14 pm

So isn't this one of the (if not THE) largest 767 order ever?

Not bad for a (supposedly) almost dead airframe in the fall off its career!
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:24 pm

Quoting PW100 (Reply 175):
So isn't this one of the (if not THE) largest 767 order ever?

Yes, it's the largest single order ever placed according to Boeing's O&D site.
 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 176):

With the 767 current demand from freighter companies and the U.S Air Force, will we see More updates to the 767? I know there has been some suggestion that GE could tweak their engine, and that there are some more weight that could be shaved off. Potentially giving between 6-10% better full economy? Will the noise from the 767eventually restrict it from certain airports with current noise footprint? APB has not given any suggestion for a Split Scimitar winglets for the 767, but continued sales of the 767 should increase the possibilities.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:55 am

Quoting oykie (Reply 177):
but continued sales of the 767 should increase the possibilities.

I am happy for the order, I am happy for the 767, but lets get real:

1. Fedex always buys ´end of the line´ at - what I am sure is a bargain Basement Price - all the time. A300, 727....and now 767
2. Boeing despreatly needed this deal, especially seeing as how they are ´bodging up the tanker´ at present, which is mindboggeling as far as I am concerned as they are really just building that out of their existing Lego box of bits: Another 535 MIO now - leaves B looking pretty silly as far as I am concerned, it´s embaressing!
3. with the Saudies and South Korea going A330, Point 1 & especially Point 2 apply even more.

It is the end of the line for her, lets just face it, even if we are (myself included) 76 fanboys. Lets get over it and be objective here, she has had her day!

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Quoting cougar15 (Reply 178):
It is the end of the line for her, lets just face it, even if we are (myself included) 76 fanboys. Lets get over it and be objective here, she has had her day!

In pax service prime time is over, yes. But in freighter and re-fuel service, she'll be in production for a good while longer. And in service for many decades after production ends. I'm happy that the 767 lives on, but sad to see more and more KC-135/707, MD-10/11 and A300/A310 go. And in 15 years, the 757 will most likely be as rare as the 727 is now.

Congratulations to Boeing and to Fedex now that the order is confirmed.
 
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Quoting oykie (Reply 177):
I know there has been some suggestion that GE could tweak their engine

FWIW the tankers have PW engines so the upcoming orders are split.

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 178):
Boeing despreatly needed this deal, especially seeing as how they are ´bodging up the tanker´ at present

Your post comes across as inaccurate and mean spirited. They already had the orders they needed to keep the line open before this latest order. Selling more 767s at "bargain Basement Price" doesn't help at all. It's strange to see you say it's the "end of the line" in a thread that just added 50 more frames to the end of the line, and with every expectation of more future orders from USAF, FX, and quite possibly other customers. "76 fanboys" will be having the 767 to appreciate for decades to come.
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Quoting cougar15 (Reply 178):
Boeing despreatly needed this deal

No, they didn't. The KC-46A keeps the 767 line open for slightly more than a decade. The last KC-46A in KC-X will be fulfilled in 2027. There's still the matter of KC-Y next decade which could order more KC-46A's but KC-Z in 2030 is going to be for a larger aircraft. What you don't understand is that Boeing incurring the losses themselves, not the DoD so the AF is still getting their aircrafts at the set prices. The money that will be made back will be in service contracts provided Boeing gets them. Otherwise, the line that will be open for the next decade or so will still get them back the money. Too many people are under the assumption that KC-X is going to be fulfilled quickly and then the line terminates.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:12 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 178):
1. Fedex always buys ´end of the line´ at - what I am sure is a bargain Basement Price - all the time. A300, 727....and now 767

IIRC, it was 5X that bought the last A300s off the line.
I know the what the answer is most likely going to be, but does anybody see any possibility of any future orders of 767s for pax service?
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 177):
With the 767 current demand from freighter companies and the U.S Air Force, will we see More updates to the 767?

Probably not. The USAF wants a "tried and true" airframe.



Quoting cougar15 (Reply 178):
Fedex always buys ´end of the line´ at - what I am sure is a bargain Basement Price - all the time. A300, 727....and now 767

The 767 is the best match to replace the A300F, A310F and MD-10F in terms of footprint, payload and range. I am sure FedEx drove a good deal, but their only other option was to purchase second-hand 767-300 freighters or second-hand 767-300ER passenger planes and convert them to freighters. By buying new-builds, they may spend more up-front, but they get a new frame with no hidden surprises that they can reliably and economically operate for decades to come.



Quoting cougar15 (Reply 178):
Boeing despreatly needed this deal

I do not agree. It's definitely a significant boost to the 767 program and will add at least two years to the production run, so Boeing is very happy to have secured it. But it's not like the 767 line was in danger of shutting down in the near-term if they had not have landed it.



Quoting adipasquale (Reply 182):
I know the what the answer is most likely going to be, but does anybody see any possibility of any future orders of 767s for pax service?

I would be very surprised if a new 767-300ER order is placed. Unless every 767-300F supplier is also a 767-300ER supplier, eventually Boeing is not going to want to keep financially supporting 767-300ER-only suppliers once they have a sufficient pool of spares and will then withdraw the model from sale.
 
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Quoting adipasquale (Reply 182):
IIRC, it was 5X that bought the last A300s off the line.

Last built was delivered to FX in a little ceremony.
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:32 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 183):
I do not agree. It's definitely a significant boost to the 767 program and will add at least two years to the production run, so Boeing is very happy to have secured it. But it's not like the 767 line was in danger of shutting down in the near-term if they had not have landed it.

   Lets not forget Boeing has actually slightly increased the 767 production rate. While some of that is for the tanker they likely were already in discussion with FX and other customers about more freighters when the decision was made.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 180):
Your post comes across as inaccurate and mean spirited. They already had the orders they needed to keep the line open before this latest order. Selling more 767s at "bargain Basement Price" doesn't help at all. It's strange to see you say it's the "end of the line" in a thread that just added 50 more frames to the end of the line, and with every expectation of more future orders from USAF, FX, and quite possibly other customers. "76 fanboys" will be having the 767 to appreciate for decades to come.

What is mean spirited? Sorry, we may differ in opinions, but I will stick to mine. And what is inaccurate? The KC 46 program did just take yet another US$535MIO hit, that after already doing so last year for $272Mio. thats a lot of Money.
Boeing does at present have cash issues as every Analyst and they themselves will tell you.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...freighters-with-50-options-414870/

so much for mean spirited & illwilled. And I am sorry, we are talking about a frame Boeing has 33 years experience with.
And the Integration issues with the fuel Systems do make me wonder a little, how long has Boeing now built tankers for?

FX will have gotten an absolute ripper deal on these birds for those very reasons and because they are clever! What is wrong with that or not factual, except my ´inaccurate´ (in your view) personal opinion that Boeing should be MUCH further than they are with the KC46 for the reasons stated above!

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Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 186):
What is mean spirited?

The fact is you were making assumptions that Boeing really needs this order to keep the line alive when they really didn't. It was going to be around for a decade regardless of this order or not. The people that benefits off this is the workforce because Boeing won't have to lay off as much people. Once the orders are fulfilled, there will be a number of people laid off because it won't be necessary to maintain the same amount of people. It doesn't impact Boeing either way because they still have the KC-X contract.

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 186):
Boeing does at present have cash issues as every Analyst and they themselves will tell you.

Nowhere in that link tells you that Boeing has cash issues. They're spending their own money resolving the issues that propped up in the development process. It just means that instead of X amount cost to develop the program which the AF pay them to develop KC-46A and the airframes asked on time, it just costs X+Y which Boeing has to spend an additional amount to get 4 frames ready for the Air Force.

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 186):
FX will have gotten an absolute ripper deal on these birds

That's an assumption. There are plenty of 767 on the market which any of those could be converted with Boeing's 767BCF program.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:13 pm

Quoting Karadion (Reply 187):
That's an assumption. There are plenty of 767 on the market which any of those could be converted with Boeing's 767BCF program.

the very reason why FX would have gotten most generous Terms, it made such sence to them that they went for ´new´.
It was no different with the 722 - who took the last off the line? Who took the last A306R´s? Fedex are not stupid.
And I am sure they will up their fleet by going for additional conversions , just like they did with the aforementioned 722 and A306. of course new builds make sence at the right Price, dispatch reliability, warranties & resulting MX savings and heavy Discounts make a very solid Business case, would you not think so?
What are we arguing about here? FX and History have shown us time and time again this is how FX operates & procures! good on them for it andf I maintain, Boeing will not be unhappy, even at bargain Basement Prices (or do you think Airbus did not give FX a great Price on the last A300-600´s off the line)??
Again it´s history all over & everybody, both Client & Vendor will be very happy with the deal given their respective circumstances

so all we really have let to ´argue like gentlemen´ about is Boeings current cashflow issues, and I suggest you do a little googeling on that yourself and you will soon be a little wiser   
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Quoting cougar15 (Reply 188):
so all we really have let to ´argue like gentlemen´ about is Boeings current cashflow issues, and I suggest you do a little googeling on that yourself and you will soon be a little wiser  

Sure, here you go...

"But also good news for Boeing investors was the revelation of free cash flow of $2.6 billion in the second quarter, significantly reversing a result of negative $486 million in the first quarter.

Operating cash flow in the second quarter was $3.3 billion, up from $1.8 billion year over year and up from $88 million quarter over quarter.

“Strong operating performance across our commercial and defense production programs partially offset the tanker charge and enabled us to maintain our commitments to return cash to our shareholders and invest in innovation and our people,” new CEO Dennis Muilenburg said in an earnings release. “Overall, our outlook for the second half of the year remains positive.”"


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Quoting cougar15 (Reply 188):
the very reason why FX would have gotten most generous Terms, it made such sence to them that they went for ´new´.

It cost more because this isn't an airframe that's in high demand. So even with discount, it won't be heavily discounted compared to say the 737. Material to produce one single 767 will be significantly higher and schedules to produce at a rate of 2 a month requires a lot of personnel to work those airframes overtime. Overall, it's not cheaper than you think it is. They can go for bare minimum (cost to produce the airframe) and get more money in the service contracts in the years following. Avitas and a number of other places estimates that discounts actually are about 30% compared to 50%-55% that Airbus gives on their A320 for example and 45%-50% that Boeing gives on the 737.
Quoting cougar15 (Reply 188):
so all we really have let to ´argue like gentlemen´ about is Boeings current cashflow issues, and I suggest you do a little googeling on that yourself and you will soon be a little wiser

I'm quite aware of the "cashflow issue" that you're really making up because Boeing does not have a cash flow issue. The 2Q of 2015 which was just released two days ago yield a strong quarter. The ANALYSTS you speak of estimated for example that revenues was going to be $24.22 billion but turned out to be $24.54 billion. Despite the half a billion after-tax charge, Boeing still beat the market's expectations.

You can feel free to read the earning calls here (it's free!):
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3347...5-results-earnings-call-transcript

There's no cashflow issue going on at Boeing. The $536 million after-tax charge is to do rework on the airframe so that they can meet the delivery schedule. They could either delay the delivery schedule and the after-tax charge would be a lot lower or they can rush everything which material, overtime, expediting orders, etc all cost a lot of money so that they can meet the Air Force's delivery schedule.

Also for this quarter, Boeing is sitting on $9 billion in cash which is up $2 billion from last year in the same quarter and that's all despite Boeing doing stock buybacks costing over $5 billion.

So unlike you, most people are quite aware of what goes on at Boeing which you are just making up assumptions on the fly about what's going on with Boeing. Just saying I can do a little "googeling" (which isn't even the right word nor is googling either, it's just google) doesn't make you right. My search results will differ from your result because for all I know you're "googeling" "how does airplanes work?"

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Quoting mffoda (Reply 189):
(which isn't even the right word nor is googling either, it's just google)

thanks mate, if that is the Level we are at now for an obvious non native speaker (note my flag) .... I had better head off for my nightshift at a well known Integrator, but I will make a point of reading & digesting your thread when I find time & free wifi!
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Quoting cougar15 (Reply 191):
thanks mate, if that is the Level we are at now for an obvious non native speaker (note my flag) .... I had better head off for my nightshift at a well known Integrator, but I will make a point of reading & digesting your thread when I find time & free wifi!
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:12 pm

Boeing has also significantly reduced the cost to build a 767 in recent years thanks to the new FAL. Labor costs alone have dropped 30% and factoring in everything else, a 2017 767 deliver could be 20-25% cheaper than a 2007 767 delivery. So Boeing could give FedEx and extra 10% off the sales price to sweeten this deal, and still make 15% more per delivery compared to their last tranche of FX 763F deliveries.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 183):

The 767 is the best match to replace the A300F, A310F and MD-10F in terms of footprint,

You know, if you step back, you will see that the 767F is the smallest new built freighter available. (not counting the 737 combi). And I don't see any competition coming down the line.

Quoting Karadion (Reply 187):

Nowhere in that link tells you that Boeing has cash issues.

Hope not, I looking forward to my annual performance bonus. Last I heard, the bonus would be average as all the numbers pointing to performing to target.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 193):
So Boeing could give FedEx and extra 10% off the sales price to sweeten this deal,

Strange how we all talk about discount. If you go to any aircraft parts distributor and order one part vs 10 parts vs 100 parts, see what kind of discount you can get.

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Quoting bikerthai (Reply 194):
Hope not, I looking forward to my annual performance bonus. Last I heard, the bonus would be average as all the numbers pointing to performing to target.

I was talking about that with a co-worker of mine and when they said that the company is at 40% of their target met for 10 days, I was like "Oh great looks like even lower bonuses this year than last year". Then I read the * next to the metrics which said that the metrics is actually 75% of the total so even if it gets 80% of 100%, does that mean it's 8 days or 6 days and the 25% is 2.5 days or 2 days on the business unit level. Basically Boeing - 8 days / BCA - 2.5 days = 11.5 OR Boeing - 6 days / BCA - 2 days? Either way, I think the managers getting % is stupid because the worst performing manager is just as good as the best performing manager.
 
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Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:29 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 186):
And what is inaccurate?

Pretty much everything. You say the the line is at an end, in the same thread announcing orders that will add a couple years worth of production. You say Boeing needs cash baldy, but is selling the planes at bargain basement prices, which means the sales aren't generating much cash, so on that basis there'd be no point in such a sale.
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Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:56 am

Quoting Karadion (Reply 190):
It cost more because this isn't an airframe that's in high demand. So even with discount, it won't be heavily discounted compared to say the 737. Material to produce one single 767 will be significantly higher and schedules to produce at a rate of 2 a month requires
Quoting bikerthai (Reply 194):
You know, if you step back, you will see that the 767F is the smallest new built freighter available. (not counting the 737 combi). And I don't see any competition coming down the line.

... which brings an idle speculation to mind ...

Is it possible to up the rate?

What would it take?

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Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:52 pm

Quoting brindabella (Reply 197):
Is it possible to up the rate?

From what I have heard from 767 Program management, the current FAL is designed to support up to three frames per month.
 
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RE: FedEx Purchases Additional 767 Freighters

Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:56 pm

I think FX may eventually look at buying a fairly large number of freighters to start replacing the MD-11F's. One possibility: a freighter derivative of the 777-8X.

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