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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:09 pm

Ditto - I saw this in another thread:

OAG Changes 7/24/2015: US Code Dropped,UA XDEN-PTY (by enilria Jul 19 2015 in Civil Aviation)

There will be essentially two carriers catering to BOS-YYZ -> AC and WS.

Didn't DL used to fly from BOS-YYZ? I remember seeing the YYZ board close to the Continental gate on the DL side where they boarded BOS-CLE that there used to be a flight unless it was a hop flight. Never paid attention but maybe I am wrong.

Also as per the OAG changes site, AA has retained other flights on the US Airways express flights with some capacity reduction.

AA BOS-SYR MAR 2>1.4
AA BOS-BUF OCT 4>3
AA BOS-CDG AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.7
AA BOS-MDT AUG 1.2>0.8 SEP 1.3>0.8 OCT 1.2>0.5
AA BOS-PIT OCT 5>4

Just quoting the same from the other thread.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:23 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 50):
There will be essentially two carriers catering to BOS-YYZ -> AC and WS.

Also you have PD to YTZ.

WS Encore is also starting a daily BOS-YHZ on April 15 and here's more info from the carrier.

http://www.westjet.com/guest/en/deal...y:routes:new-destinations-20150720

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 50):
AA BOS-CDG AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.7

This one is an increase

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 50):
Didn't DL used to fly from BOS-YYZ?

Yes and AA flew it too.

Quoting Vs4ever (Reply 49):
Do you know the start date for these. Is it mid March? as the OWA report only shows 1.6 for that month.

Sorry - did not post that March 21, 2016 - its in the WestJet link above. The 1.6 comes from the average daily depatures for the month.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 51):
Sorry - did not post that March 21, 2016

Perfect, thanks and makes complete sense.

The BOS-CDG is an interesting increase for sure. not often AA shows the love for BOS, but perhaps trying to keep some of the connecting traffic flowing their way as a result of the other flights that have been added as it's a quick uplift.

Fingers crossed the June traffic numbers will be out tomorrow as well.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:32 pm

I noticed IB is upping MAD-BOS from 0.1 to 0.5 in March. Is that their normal starting month for the season service
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:19 pm

WestJet is adding 3X YYZ service and 1X YHZ service with Encore.
It is what it is.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:44 pm

Do we know which terminal WS will fly out of? I don't believe it will be E since both YYZ and YHZ are pre-clearance airports.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:12 pm

Massport has released the June numbers for Logan

YTD
Total Passengers - 15,710,424 (up 4.4% vs 2014)
Total International Passengers - 2,520,700 (up 11.2% vs 2014)
Total Domestic Passengers - 13,144,558 (up 3.2% vs 2014)

June
Total Passengers - 3,105,133 (up 5.7% vs 2014)
Total International Passengers - 560,350 (up 10.1% vs 2014)
Total Domestic Passengers - 2,535,035 (up 4.7% vs 2014)

Average Loads

Europe - 221 passengers
Asia - 195 passengers
Middle East - 275 passengers

[Edited 2015-07-21 10:14:05]
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:20 pm

Big increases for the Middle East for June 2015 vs June 2014. Average load for June 2015 is 275 passengers. Average load for June 2014 was 238 passengers. June 2015 has 124 flights vs. 118 flights in June 2014.

Europe dipped just a little in loads 221 for June 2015 vs. 228 for June 2014.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:35 pm

Have there been any updates on the rumored BOS-BOG flights on AV? I read they'd applied for rights to offer daily A319 flights, but wasn't sure if anything ever came of it.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:38 pm

Quoting hinckley (Reply 55):
Do we know which terminal WS will fly out of?

It should be Terminal A along with their codeshare partners DL.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 57):
Big increases for the Middle East for June 2015 vs June 2014. Average load for June 2015 is 275 passengers. Average load for June 2014 was 238 passengers. June 2015 has 124 flights vs. 118 flights in June 2014.

Europe dipped just a little in loads 221 for June 2015 vs. 228 for June 2014.

Those numbers will be a little off because the flight counts include Cargo only and Massport don't issue them separately, I confirmed that with Massport when the May numbers were out.

I've run analysis back to 1998 and when i get onto my other computer, i'll send out the numbers back there. It sure does make interesting reading. But the 15 numbers definitely show direct growth by bringing these new international flights in. More of it I say.

A 4-5% YOY increase is going to bring BOS to just over 33m pax for the year and the growth that is planned for 16 internationally should help boost that again.

I would note, a lot of this pax growth has actually come at the expense of throughput of aircraft. The number of movements is flat year over year, but with pax growth, without the number of seats, that can be down to bigger aircraft (lower frequency) and load factor, going back in time, the number of movements is massively down, (again will post this later), so despite the crush in E, seems to be a lot of scope of capacity in A-C based on that alone, which again makes me wonder if there is a plan to expand the international by scoping in C and moving some of the B6 International Arrivals there for example, but have them come back through the E customs. Just a thought.

Either way, it's good news for BOS!
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 56):
Quoting Vs4ever (Reply 60):

These numbers are really good: especially Asia.

MIddle East - daily IST and DXB plus the 4 flights from two roundrips of BOS-TLV had an assumed load factor of 88.6% I based the LY 767 numbers off of seatguru at 227 seats.

Central America now includes CM and AM. Both airlines schedule 73G with 124 seats but AM did run the inaugurals with 738. I'm assuming there were only 110 Central American flights with the extra seats from the first MEX-BOS-MEX. I got 90.4% for a load factor.

Asia - 90.1% Load factor. By doing the numbers there was one more HKG-BOS than BOS-HKG since the flight departs at 1:30 am on 7/1/15. That's why there was an odd number for those flights.

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 57):
Europe dipped just a little in loads 221 for June 2015 vs. 228 for June 2014.

WOW Air starting probably lowered that average a bit since their planes only seat 200

Quoting Vs4ever (Reply 60):
the number of movements is massively down,

Isn't that from the days of ComAir and Business Express - lots of regional flights.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:28 am

So here goes. I finally have the numbers going back to 98, it's quite impressive when you look at it. I will save you all the details because it would run to 10 posts.

Highlights on top of those noted above, based on all numbers since Jan 98

Total numbers:

1. Record June for pax in 2015 at 3.1m and is also the 3rd highest.
2. Only Jul 14 and Aug 14 are higher, which suggests those records are going to fall in the next 2 months.
3. Cumulative Pax record to June 15 against the last 16 years, in fact the last 5 years have been records year over year. at 15.7m
4. 4.4% YTD pax growth if added to the 2014 annual number will get BOS to 33m pax for 2015 even with the nightmare end of Jan/Feb
5. As Adamh8297 notes above, the flight mix has shifted hugely because the 15.7m pax have been shipped by the 4th lowest number of flights at 161.2K. only 2009, 2012 and 2013 are lower. Note I have excluded charters from my calcs to get this number.


International

1. Total International Pax rank 2nd at 560K only beaten by Aug 14 by 16k, so likely that's going to fall in Jul as well.
2. Cumulative Int Pax rank #1 for 2015, at 2.5m finally toppling June 2001 (pre- 9/11 of course)

3. Canada - best monthly number since 2001 of almost 70k at a much higher per flight number 49 vs 33.
4. Canada - best cumulative number since 2001 at 308k, finally overcoming 2005 of 307K (so best in 10 years as well)

5. Europe standalone monthly 346K (were a combined number for many years with Middle East so don't have the comparisons), was the highest recorded monthly number.
6. Europe standalone cumulative at 1.323m only 24k below 2001 level,

7. Middle East, not too much to note as limited records (14 and 15), but what it shows is that Europe +Middle East is incremental 184k pax YTD and 34K month.

8. Caribbean - June slightly down on 2014, but on 5% less flights meaning load factors are likely up. YTD is best since 2001 beating out 2004 into third place. at 538K.

9. Central America - relatively limited information, best June for the records we have with the highest loads at an average of 105, cumulative 40K is 2nd highest against 2005, but best loads at an average of 104 per flight.

Domestic. (the pax per flight numbers maybe low as Massport include Cargo in this too).

1. Jet numbers - monthly - June best ever at 2.3m, number of flights also a record at nearly 21K
2. Jet numbers - cumulative - to June also best ever at 12.3m, highest number of pax per flight at 111, flights are at Jun 98 levels.
3. Regional - the pax counts per flight are holding, but everything has collapsed in 2015, not sure why. June pax counts are 19% down and flights are 17% down for the month year over year. i think there has to have been a shift in recording somewhere, for YTD it's 22% down on pax and 16% on flights....

So records galore here for BOS and it's only going up. Can't wait for July....
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:43 pm

FYI, an HiFly A332 has started to operate for SATA. One of them is en-route to BOS today.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/R...1/history/20150722/1425Z/LPPT/KBOS
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:26 pm

Quoting Vs4ever (Reply 62):
3. Regional - the pax counts per flight are holding, but everything has collapsed in 2015, not sure why. June pax counts are 19% down and flights are 17% down for the month year over year. i think there has to have been a shift in recording somewhere, for YTD it's 22% down on pax and 16% on flights....

I think part of it may be due to increases in gauge; for example, DL switched to 717s on the Shuttle flights to LGA (although some E175s have returned). IIRC UA/CO also were running more regional aircraft to EWR in recent years than today.

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 36):
Is there a reason why WN has only one carousel? With 37 arrivals per day, I would have expected them to have at least 2.

WN only has five gates of the twenty in the terminal and there are four carousels; consequently one would expect them to have one-fourth of the four carousels.

Quoting Vs4ever (Reply 37):
Worcester, running at 88.1% for it's B6 flights with FLL out performing MCO (LF basis only by about 1/2% on the outbound and 3% on the inbound. Nice to see this continuing and looks like the 190's are the right aircraft.

E190s might be a good fit for the demand, but I'd question whether they're a good fit for the yields at ORH...
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 64):
WN only has five gates of the twenty in the terminal and there are four carousels; consequently one would expect them to have one-fourth of the four carousels.

I didn't realize that there are only four carousels; I just made a bigger deal out of it than it was.

On a different topic: I've been wondering what the benefit is for airlines to announce new destinations very far in advance, as we have seen a lot of that recently at BOS, like DL and their SEA service, QR, MT, & WR.
Anyone know why they announced so far in advance?
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:40 pm

Quoting AirFrance744 (Reply 65):
I've been wondering what the benefit is for airlines to announce new destinations very far in advance

gives you more time to sell tickets especially for folks booking trips far in advance.

Definitely works out well in the case of a Thomas Cook for sure who's not a vigorous competitor for business traffic.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:53 pm

yes, TCX will definitely want to sell ahead of time, because they will most likely be marketing vacation packages to go along with these flights that will definitely stretch into S16 to fill the seats.

DL probably just to keep AS on their toes and tell them they are doing this. Same with WS, although i would LOVE to see a weekly WR flight (let the speculation begin on timing and equipment) - just kidding.

and the biggest thing of all. It's keeps the a.net servers busy between now and launch date...
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:52 pm

I've seen recent photos taken at Logan, over near North Cargo. What you see is almost a used-car-lot of airliners...all colors, shapes, and sizes. Obviously whacking down that old AA garage/hangar was needed to store these transient planes. What's interesting is that more and more of the international flights are 'pausing' quite a bit at Logan before making their return journey...sometimes upwards of 6 hours! So you need a free spot for those. And then you need a place to store aircraft that 'go tech' at Logan, like the Lufthansa A346 a few weeks back.

Almost 'No Room at the Inn!'
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:04 pm

Will we ever see BOS-BTV return?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting klm672 (Reply 69):
Will we ever see BOS-BTV return?

IMHO, not on a mainline carrier. (Unless B6 pulls a longshot on an EJet). I could however see Cape Air trying it out, or USAirways Express with a Dash 8-100
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:16 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 68):
I've seen recent photos taken at Logan, over near North Cargo. What you see is almost a used-car-lot of airliners...all colors, shapes, and sizes. Obviously whacking down that old AA garage/hangar was needed to store these transient planes. What's interesting is that more and more of the international flights are 'pausing' quite a bit at Logan before making their return journey...sometimes upwards of 6 hours! So you need a free spot for those. And then you need a place to store aircraft that 'go tech' at Logan, like the Lufthansa A346 a few weeks back.

Almost 'No Room at the Inn!'

Will that AA hangar space eventually be taken up by the 380 gates (or their planes?)

Quoting klm672 (Reply 69):

If Burlington comes back, it would be on B6, I think.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting tlecam (Reply 71):
If Burlington comes back, it would be on B6, I think.

i would kind of agree given they fly this route from JFK, however I am not sure where they would get the E-190 from to fly it, as I suspect that would be the equipment of choice should they decide to start it.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:04 pm

Quoting VS4ever (Reply 72):
i would kind of agree given they fly this route from JFK, however I am not sure where they would get the E-190 from to fly it, as I suspect that would be the equipment of choice should they decide to start it.

JetBlue doesn't fly from Worcester to JFK so I suspect a 'short' run like this wouldn't be feasible. I think the local exceptions to the rule are flights from Nantucket and Marthas Vineyard to BOS and JFK. These are servicing people who don't blink at the cost, whereas a flight between BTV and BOS might not work.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 73):
JetBlue doesn't fly from Worcester to JFK so I suspect a 'short' run like this wouldn't be feasible

No I was stating that B6 fly JFK-BTV. I had thought about using the ORH rotation aircraft to provide service earlier in the day, but those are probably already utilized elsewhere.
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 68):

JL's 788 sits over there for 20 hours! Arrives around 5pm and leaves the next day around 1pm!

Boston's international ops are almost becoming 24-hours. With Cathay leaving at 1:45am and the new second EK arriving around 5am and El Al also driving around 5:45am on the days they operate makes for almost around the clock ops over at terminal E.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:19 am

According to the EK Source web site, the second flight arrives around 9am and heads back out three hours later, around noon...before the 'maddening crowd' forms.
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:07 am

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 68):
I've seen recent photos taken at Logan, over near North Cargo. What you see is almost a used-car-lot of airliners...all colors, shapes, and sizes.

No doubt some of that is due to the fact that terminal E is 2 gates short this Summer. I was there last week and Gates 8 A and B are out of commission due to the terminal expansion.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 75):
JL's 788 sits over there for 20 hours! Arrives around 5pm and leaves the next day around 1pm!

wow.... how the heck is that justifiable use of a 788?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:27 am

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 76):
According to the EK Source web site, the second flight arrives around 9am and heads back out three hours later, around noon...before the 'maddening crowd' forms.

0855 arrival when it starts Oct 1 and then 0755 arrival for the winter schedule - still departing from Terminal C at 1155/1055.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 77):
No doubt some of that is due to the fact that terminal E is 2 gates short this Summer. I was there last week and Gates 8 A and B are out of commission due to the terminal expansion.

Yes and no - not quite as bad since SW moved to A and allowed 2 additional gates to be added from last summer, only problem is the 767 is the max aircraft that can fit on these new gates. 8B was also limited to a 767 or smaller, but 8A could handle a 747, so this is where the crunch comes in with the terminal.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:52 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 79):
0855 arrival when it starts Oct 1 and then 0755 arrival for the winter schedule - still departing from Terminal C at 1155/1055.

Thanks for the correction, not sure where I got my earlier info from. Though I wonder what kind of an impact that will have on B6's ops at C with the 11:55/10:55am departure back to DXB? Surely that will close the gate next to the 77W, eliminating 2 gates in the morning for B6?
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:05 pm

Their gate at JetBlue (C17) does not impact other adjacent gates.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting jcarv (Reply 81):

Their gate at JetBlue (C17) does not impact other adjacent gates.


Maybe not externally, but having 300+ passengers in the terminal will definitely have an impact on surrounding gates. It isn't a big deal during the late evening departure, but this will be a much busier time of day for B6.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:44 pm

Quoting clrd4t8koff (Reply 80):
Thanks for the correction, not sure where I got my earlier info from. Though I wonder what kind of an impact that will have on B6's ops at C with the 11:55/10:55am departure back to DXB? Surely that will close the gate next to the 77W, eliminating 2 gates in the morning for B6?
Quoting jcarv (Reply 81):

Their gate at JetBlue (C17) does not impact other adjacent gates.

But the whole place feels like a zoo ... hundreds of people spilling over into other gates' seats. I definitely think E would be a much better eventual solution to this ... hopefully after the renovation and the expansion of the lounges. Also, this part of C gates do not have the required facilities or services to serve 350+ people in one flight.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:02 pm

Looking at today's schedule, these are B6's morning departures with Gate numbers, yes this is just a snapshot, but if you notice C18 isn't even used at this time of day, so that takes one piece out of the equation. There would have to be what looks to be a total of 2-3 gate changes to clear out C16 and C17 to accommodate the EK flight. I don't think that would be too much of an issue. Now if EK gets delayed significantly, that might change things a little, and of course the issue of having 300+ people in that corner somewhat stands and the facilities point is very valid, but by the same token, if you have a flight leaving from C16 and C17 near to each other for regular B6 flights, I really don't see a whole lot of difference (I have seen this happen, it's busy no doubt, but not completely insane.

B6 861 San Juan 1:13P Scheduled C11
B6 1667 Charleston International Airport 10:30A In Flight C11
B6 129 SantaDomingo 9:54A In Flight C12
B6 781 Richmond 12:50P Scheduled C12
B6 951 Orlando 2:40P Scheduled C12
B6 465 Ft Myers 11:55A Scheduled C14
B6 717 New York-JFK 10:21A In Flight C14
B6 1615 Buffalo 1:02P Scheduled C15
B6 1927 Baltimore 10:46A In Flight C15
B6 203 Bermuda 11:30A Scheduled C16
B6 311 Chicago-ORD 2:13P Scheduled C16
B6 1027 Baltimore 1:10P Scheduled C17
B6 2379 Newark 9:31A Landed C17
B6 69 FtLauderdale 2:57P Scheduled C19
B6 251 Orlando 9:35A In Flight C19
B6 759 Philadelphia 12:10P Scheduled C19
B6 1115 DallasFtWrth 2:35P Scheduled C20
B6 1215 Buffalo 9:17A Landed C20
B6 2479 Newark 11:26A Scheduled C20
B6 1685 Pittsburgh 3:00P Scheduled C21
B6 2269 FtLauderdale 11:27A Scheduled C21
B6 489 Wshingtn-Nat 10:11A In Flight C25
B6 689 Wshingtn-Nat 12:24P Scheduled C25
B6 589 Wshingtn-Nat 10:54A In Flight C26
B6 1552 Nantucket 1:26P Scheduled C26
B6 391 Tampa 11:51A Scheduled C28
B6 1081 Richmond 10:25A In Flight C29
B6 401 New Orleans 12:51P Scheduled C30
B6 451 Orlando 11:30A Scheduled C31
B6 117 New York-JFK 11:40A Scheduled C32
B6 921 West Palm 10:51A In Flight C33
B6 815 Buffalo 11:39A Scheduled C34
B6 2783 Raleigh/Drhm 2:19P Scheduled C34
B6 49 Savannah/Hilton Head Airport 11:05A Scheduled C36


Here are the arrivals

B6-390 Wshingtn-Nat 12:18P C11
B6-1226 Baltimore 9:42A C11
B6-1012 Chicago-ORD 1:21P C12
B6-2036 Detroit-DTW 12:04P C12
B6-22 West Palm 11:17A C14
B6-2016 Buffalo 2:51P C14
B6-2380 Newark 12:04P C15
B6-434 SanFrancisco 3:06P C15
B6-1286 Pittsburgh 9:53A C15
B6-1318 New York-JFK 1:05P C16
B6-2184 Raleigh/Drhm 10:41A C16***
B6-590 Wshingtn-Nat 3:18P C16
B6-160 Philadelphia 11:34A C17***
B6-260 Philadelphia 3:26P C17
B6-626 Baltimore 11:20A C19
B6-1210 Jacksonville 2:10P C19
B6-2280 Newark 10:16A C20
B6-1486 Pittsburgh 12:44P C20
B6-126 Baltimore 1:59P C21
B6-262 San Juan 10:38A C21
B6-156 Wshingtn-Dul 11:33A C25
B6-490 Wshingtn-Nat 2:27P C25
B6-412 Chicago-ORD 10:09A C26
B6-1216 Buffalo 12:37P C26
B6-1551 Nantucket 3:20P C26
B6-470 FtLauderdale 11:06A C28
B6-118 New York-JFK 2:20P C28
B6-192 Tampa 1:54P C29
B6-1776 Philadelphia 9:47A C29
B6-152 Orlando 11:55A C30
B6-2170 FtLauderdale 2:04P C30
B6-1482 Richmond 10:44A C31
B6-2480 Newark 2:25P C31
B6-518 New York-JFK 11:25A C32
B6-998 SeattleTcoma 3:21P C32
B6-1182 Richmond 3:06P C33
B6-52 Orlando 9:59A C33
B6-1246 Charlotte 1:27P C34
B6-440 Cleveland 10:44A C34
B6-966 Ft Myers 1:50P C36
B6-816 Buffalo 10:12A C36
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:23 pm

Any idea what's going on over at C21? I noticed some construction equipment to the left of the gate this morning.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting ASA (Reply 83):
Also, this part of C gates do not have the required facilities or services to serve 350+ people in one flight.

Having flown out of both terminals recently I strongly disagree. Terminal C had far more shopping, restaurants and facilities then terminal E. Terminal C has power in every seat, workstations with power at most gates and feels much brighter and newer then terminal E post security. I had to wait 2 hours for a flight in E and I couldnt even find an outlet to charge my phone.

Quoting AviationAddict (Reply 85):
Any idea what's going on over at C21? I noticed some construction equipment to the left of the gate this morning.

Expansion of the gate area to add more seating. same thing is happening over at C17/16.

Does anyone know if there has been talk of other carriers moving to C? I know B6 handles EI in JFK, are they planning the same thing in BOS?
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:00 pm

Anyone traveling international and returning to E pls. keep us posted. There's supposed to be an improvement post congress reprimand:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/.../RDzWToiXuAnuUWqTWw0aFI/story.html
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting iyerhari (Reply 87):
Anyone traveling international and returning to E pls. keep us posted. There's supposed to be an improvement post congress reprimand:

I'm not sure I believe it. They are holding the passengers inside the plane thus reducing the official wait time at the immigration lines. That's what happened to my wife. They waited 40 minutes before they were allowed to deplane. Ridiculous!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:24 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 88):
They are holding the passengers inside the plane thus reducing the official wait time at the immigration lines. That's what happened to my wife. They waited 40 minutes before they were allowed to deplane. Ridiculous!

Eeek, they better knock that off before I come back from LHR in November... Mrs. VS is not going to be happy about that in the slightest.

sneaky trick though...
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:16 pm

Quoting ASA (Reply 83):
Also, this part of C gates do not have the required facilities or services to serve 350+ people in one flight.

While it was many years ago, TWA had 2-3 747's out of C16-C21 each night.

Mind you, security was different, passengers didn't need power ports, restaurants could more easily be on the land side rather than air side....
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:20 pm

Another reason I use AC for as many European flights as I can. Going through YUL or YYZ as a transiting passenger can be a whole lot nicer than going directly to Boston on the return (as I've experienced every time I've done it).
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:45 pm

LOL that's after waiting 40 minutes on the taxiway for a gate to park.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting Shamrock137 (Reply 86):
Having flown out of both terminals recently I strongly disagree. Terminal C had far more shopping, restaurants and facilities then terminal E. Terminal C has power in every seat, workstations with power at most gates and feels much brighter and newer then terminal E post security. I had to wait 2 hours for a flight in E and I couldnt even find an outlet to charge my phone.

I hear ya. I am not really comparing E and C. But the facilities for an intercontinental flight with 300+ compared to an global standard concourse you would find in many other places where EK might be serving. Terminal C is not bad ... but it is still an A320 / B737 targeted concourse with gate sizes and shops and restaurants for limited number of people. When a 77W is at the gate ... it becomes difficult. Looking forward to an 'improved' E ... not sure how much can Logan really do to cope with the growing demand.

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 90):
While it was many years ago, TWA had 2-3 747's out of C16-C21 each night.

Mind you, security was different, passengers didn't need power ports, restaurants could more easily be on the land side rather than air side....

Yeah - it was a different world then. And you could always slip in or out of the gate areas as you please ...
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:22 am

"We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:45 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 94):

Those pictures of the old A and B terminals are seriously nostalgic for me, thanks for sharing!
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:10 pm

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 91):
Another reason I use AC for as many European flights as I can. Going through YUL or YYZ as a transiting passenger can be a whole lot nicer than going directly to Boston on the return (as I've experienced every time I've done it).

I think the experience at BOS varies wildly. I flew the same exact flight as my wife (as described above), and I think it took me only 15-20 minutes from touchdown to curb. I noticed the new changes implemented at the immigration hall with all the machines and different lanes. i also have to say that once she deplaned (after waiting 40 minutes), she was thru it in about 15 minutes. I think these days the bigger problem is familiarity with the automated kiosks. A lot of the passengers were looking for help using the machines. Mine failed to read my passport and I had to go to a counter. Luckily here were no lines at the counter because everyone was waiting at the machines LOL.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:11 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 94):
I found this pic quite interesting. Does, or did, the UA gate have something similar? I think UA has moved since then

Yes, they did have the flag when they were in C and in fact they moved it over to terminal B gate 27. If you go to Google Earth you can actually see the shadow of the flag on the ramp.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:15 pm

Has anyone heard how the new LY and AM flights are doing? I think AM going to less than daily this fall is due to it being a slow time for travel. Perhaps winter might see AM going back to daily.
 
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RE: Boston Aviation - Part 5

Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:31 pm

Unless massport are willing to give up the numbers for LY, first we will hear about them is later this year when the BTS numbers come out.
AM are probably doing the same as Copa because last year Copa's numbers in the fall from a pass/seat ratio sucked. So the reduction in frequency for that time period makes sense.
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