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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:39 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 49):

This growth really took off.. I didn't think to factor in the EZE/IAH routes. What does that mean in the mornings? KE, CZ, NZ (3x LAX, 2x SFO, HNL, YVR, EZE, IAH, NRT), LA, QF (PER), CX.. And then the narrowbodies of QF, JQ, VA, NZ, plus departures..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:49 am

The other day I flew AKL-WLG and noticed the plane being packed. This seems to be a common thing for AKL-WLG traffic and it doesn't seem like there's that much more room to up frequency. Does anyone else think Air NZ will be upguaging that route within the next decade? Say A321s or even an A332?

Also for the OSH stuff go look up repetative strain injuries. As a software dev I need to keep an eye out for that and I'm only typing on a keyboard all day. Lifting heavy bags a dozen or more times a day over months to years could easily result in repetitive strain injuries. A one off lifting an even heavier emergency exit is not repetitive, or I hope it isn't. So less worry on that.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:27 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I would say this was a pretty childish attitude on your behalf. I've got no problem picking up someone's tray if they are asleep,

   Exactly. If you are flying economy, don't expect the Flight Attendants to do everything for you. Passing a try over isn't difficult.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):

Pressure is mounting on JQ from the other side of the Tasman to drop their practice of automatically including insurance in bookings.

I don't get the issue with the website including insurance by default, in fact, I'd say that it was a positive.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 49):
If KE brings the 748i it's going to be the 789/772/77W fleet and CZ 332s that will get the buses because of their schedule. and AKL only has 4 buses on at a time...lol remember by the time they start we will also have 3 extra 787s and EZE/IAH...haha On a weekend it is already chaos

But think how much money the airport has saved by kicking the CAPEX further into the future.....     

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 51):
Lifting heavy bags a dozen or more times a day over months to years could easily result in repetitive strain injuries.

I think this is the key.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 51):
Does anyone else think Air NZ will be upguaging that route within the next decade? Say A321s or even an A332?

Through to the early 90's 762s were scheduled on the main trunk. Not sure if they were simply positioning flights though.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 50):
This growth really took off.. I didn't think to factor in the EZE/IAH routes. What does that mean in the mornings? KE, CZ, NZ (3x LAX, 2x SFO, HNL, YVR, EZE, IAH, NRT), LA, QF (PER), CX.. And then the narrowbodies of QF, JQ, VA, NZ, plus departures..

If it's any consolation neither it seems has anyone at the airport company or the airlines doing the expanding. There's too much yes, we can spread it all a bit thinner as long as we take your money and not enough Yes, but let's plan this correctly so we all win. I have seen taxiway Lima four deep with widebodies waiting for a stand before. MH,TN,CX.EK, with another EK rolling, with 2 transfers awaiting pushback to a gate and all other useable layovers occupied. That's already before CNS-MNL,IAH,EZE, 3 more 789s, 14x CZ , KE 748i etc etc

As I say, breaking point from 0430-1000 - it is already too tight to meet spec. Then again from 1700-2300 when they all depart together. New airlines like PR that are arriving 1700 and departing 1930. That is removing an AA 788 from the equation for example which has yet to be announced. I suspect they will be similar timings to the old QF25/26 anyway, Airways Corp will see red at the airport company eventually for leaving aircraft on the groud waiting for a gate/layover. I just hope that people and aircraft don't get damaged before then.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:22 pm

I wonder if the lack of planning/foresight with regard to the capacity of the airport (and the public transport system in Auckland) can be traced back to a cultural attitude of New Zealand being somewhat of a backwater in terms of location and development.

There was an interesting opinion piece on Stuff a while ago that touched on some of this. Perhaps a bit of the old DIY/she'll be right attitude. I'll grant that it's been a while since I moved overseas, (and things may have changed a bit since) but rather than accepting our lot and making do with what we've got, there should be some smart investment being done in certain areas which would in turn further boost the economy.

I can still vaguely remember the plans (and models) that Auckland airport used to have on display years ago, plans that would have meant that the potential issues they are about to run into would've been nowhere near as big. Instead, the development seems to have been piecemeal, which looks like it's going to bite AIAL in the proverbial.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 53):
Through to the early 90's 762s were scheduled on the main trunk. Not sure if they were simply positioning flights though.

The 762 we're heavily used on AKL-CHC-AKL on there final days, ZK-NBJ (now the 762 next to the runway) made an regular appearing in its white and blue koru livery.

Both AKL/CHC seem to be getting very fill lately, even with the upsize from the 733 to A320 now seems to be off-set. Maybe the 763s could hit the peak domesitc runs?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:03 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 53):
Through to the early 90's 762s were scheduled on the main trunk. Not sure if they were simply positioning flights though.

Is this not about the time they would have been upping frequency? I have no idea about the frequencies during that time compared to now so an honest question.  
Quoting zkncj (Reply 56):
Both AKL/CHC seem to be getting very fill lately, even with the upsize from the 733 to A320 now seems to be off-set. Maybe the 763s could hit the peak domesitc runs?

Could be an interesting way for the B767s to have the last bit of life squeezed out of them. AKL-WLG and AKL-CHC in the morning and evening. Plus I'd love to see a regular 767 in and out of Wellington.  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 53):
Through to the early 90's 762s were scheduled on the main trunk. Not sure if they were simply positioning flights though.
Quoting zkncj (Reply 56):
The 762 we're heavily used on AKL-CHC-AKL on there final days, ZK-NBJ (now the 762 next to the runway) made an regular appearing in its white and blue koru livery.

Back in the 1970s when I lived in CHC, it was always a buzz to take the DC10 AKL-CHC which operated daily in each direction for a long time. IIRC it had a schedule of something like AKL0820-0940CHC and then to SYD and back to AKL, with another DC10 doing the reverse and flying CHC1740-1900AKL at the end of the day. Don't quote me on the exact timings, as it's been one or two years . . .

One of the real pluses from that scheduling was that not only was there a wide body connection between AKL and CHC, but also it connected perfectly with the inbound and outbound flights to and from LAX.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 57):
Could be an interesting way for the B767s to have the last bit of life squeezed out of them

Only Gate 22A is capable for 767s these days due to all the additional gates. And if it is used it limits the use of 2 A320 stands (23 and 24 I think) which of course limits the terminal completely. One off charters/positioners are one thing, and to be honest I think the 763s probably have more interesting plans before they retire..

The use of A320s has upped the seats across the day over the 733 and that is what passengers want ultimately. Once the 733s go I would expect that the schedules will be altered a little to integrate the previous 733 sectors into the A320 turnarounds and ultimately freeing up capacity to compete for additional flights. the 733s are not currently utilised very much.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 52):
Exactly. If you are flying economy, don't expect the Flight Attendants to do everything for you. Passing a try over isn't difficult.

If it isn't difficult let staff handle it. As a rule I never let my customers do my job, not do I expect to do others work. And since I have basic manners, the idea of stretching across someone to pick up a third persons tray is plain wrong and I most certainly hope that the average passengers wouldnt do that across me if i ever had the misfortune of being in a middle seat.

And the idea that because your in economy you should do the work yourself and staff just sit and do nothing, cant you hear how it sounds?
Old people, please sort it all yourself on a fullservice carrier, you are in economy class so we don't care...

With those thoughts, the entitlement and the idea that economy class passengers should have no service, I truly feel sorry over the entitlement you show.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:22 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 59):
Only Gate 22A is capable for 767s these days due to all the additional gates. And if it is used it limits the use of 2 A320 stands (23 and 24 I think) which of course limits the terminal completely.

Neat, didn't know that.   Guess more gates would need to be built if 767/330 sized aircraft were to be used regularly. Which would probably be better suited to more smaller planes instead.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 59):
The use of A320s has upped the seats across the day over the 733 and that is what passengers want ultimately.

I understand and agree that is what the market has shown it wants. I'm more thinking of what happens if that capacity gets fully used. At some point more gates will have to be built and/or larger gates it seems. Especially if AKL runs out of capacity so that up gauging becomes more palatable.

I expect we'll be seeing A321s for peak services in the next 5 to 10 years if the load stays where it seems to be. But I'll be honest that a lot of me just wants to see widebodies flying in and out of WLG regularly. :p
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:01 am

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 61):
I'll be honest that a lot of me just wants to see widebodies flying in and out of WLG regularly.

Back in the 1980's when the 747SP and 767 were a daily feature of WLG, who would have thought that things would go backwards from there, in terms of widebody traffic? And that a widebody across the Tasman would become the exception rather than the norm?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:56 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 62):
Back in the 1980's when the 747SP and 767 were a daily feature of WLG, who would have thought that things would go backwards from there

You could say the same about many airports in similar predicaments. The narrowbody is the shorthaul workhorse now. Look even at a larger market like KUL-SIN which used to have A300/A310/333//343/772/773/744 on every flight, now has MH 738s, Silkair A320/738s, LCCs A320s/738s.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:58 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 62):
Back in the 1980's when the 747SP and 767 were a daily feature of WLG, who would have thought that things would go backwards from there, in terms of widebody traffic?

Things may have gone "backwards" in terms of widebody traffic, but the frequency is certainly much better, which for many people matters a lot more on short hops than having a widebody. Some of those SP and 767 flights only operated once or twice a week which provided a very limited choice of departures ( not to mention the bad old days of strict minimum stay and advance purchase rules).
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:04 am

So the question is when will AIAL extend the A380 pier? A lot of the prep work has been done and the pier was built to be extended so what is holding it up? Cost? Greed? Both?
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:41 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 63):
You could say the same about many airports in similar predicaments. The narrowbody is the shorthaul workhorse now. Look even at a larger market like KUL-SIN which used to have A300/A310/333//343/772/773/744 on every flight, now has MH 738s, Silkair A320/738s, LCCs A320s/738s.

Back in the '80s almost all the transcon flights in the USA were wide bodies as well - but there too there are now very many narrow bodies in most markets. In most markets, it seems frequency is king.

One of the reasons for the change is that thirty years ago aircraft like the B737 were very close to max range even across the Tasman. The only flight that NZ ran regularly across the Tasman with a narrow body was the CHC-HBA 737-200 - the shortest Transtasman route of the era, though they were subbed in on occasion elsewhere. And QF operated wide bodies because it didn't have 727-200s which could have provided an effective operation at higher frequency than a wide body. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but QF was at that stage (prior to the TAA takeover) an all-wide body airline, I think.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:47 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 64):

Things may have gone "backwards" in terms of widebody traffic, but the frequency is certainly much better, which for many people matters a lot more on short hops than having a widebody.

Agreed. I would love to see more widebodies in WLG but not at the cost of frequency. And I was too young to remember the 747SPs.   *dreams wistfully of A380 ops out of WLG*
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:53 am

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 67):
Agreed. I would love to see more widebodies in WLG but not at the cost of frequency. And I was too young to remember the 747SPs. *dreams wistfully of A380 ops out of WLG*

Interestingly when widebodies used to serve WLG around 25 Tonnes of freight per day was handled - now its less than 5 Tonnes.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:38 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 65):

So the question is when will AIAL extend the A380 pier? A lot of the prep work has been done and the pier was built to be extended so what is holding it up? Cost? Greed? Both?

It's hard to say really, we've got the usual noncommittal despite that nice shiny drawing of the masterplan. I'd say we get to the point where it's long overdue, and then they'll announce they'll start building it in a few years time.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:40 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 66):
but QF was at that stage (prior to the TAA takeover) an all-wide body airline, I think.

Indeed, in fact from 1979 ( when the 707s retired) to the early 1980s when the 767-200ERs arrived ( can't remember exactly which year) they were an all 747 airline.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:34 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 65):
So the question is when will AIAL extend the A380 pier? A lot of the prep work has been done and the pier was built to be extended so what is holding it up? Cost? Greed? Both?

I recall hearing works start to complete 17,18,19 in the middle of 2017. Not sure on date, I just remember 2017 and only 3 more gates, not the true Pier. Just good old New Zealand lack of ability to look ahead and plan projects according to need.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:10 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 70):
Indeed, in fact from 1979 ( when the 707s retired) to the early 1980s when the 767-200ERs arrived ( can't remember exactly which year) they were an all 747 airline.

wow - there is some trivia I wasn't aware of. Thanks for sharing  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:19 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 58):
Back in the 1970s when I lived in CHC, it was always a buzz to take the DC10 AKL-CHC which operated daily in each direction for a long time. IIRC it had a schedule of something like AKL0820-0940CHC and then to SYD and back to AKL, with another DC10 doing the reverse and flying CHC1740-1900AKL at the end of the day. Don't quote me on the exact timings, as it's been one or two years . . .

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:24 am

Also I'm not shocked at flights being packed. Back when I was going to CHC on a regular basis (first flight out on a Friday, last one back on a Sunday) I only once had empty seats. Otherwise it was PACKED.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:51 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 53):
Through to the early 90's 762s were scheduled on the main trunk. Not sure if they were simply positioning flights though.

Did two domestic 762 flights, Tue 25 Aug 1987 NZ576 CHC-WLG 1515/1600 (ZK-NBA) and Sat 05 Mar 1988 NZ517 AKL-CHC 0900/1020 (ZK-NBD). The aircraft went AKL-CHC-WLG-AKL and AKL-CHC-AKL, so not positioning flights.

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 51):
Does anyone else think Air NZ will be upguaging that route within the next decade? Say A321s or even an A332?

I expect the 321NEO will eventually do some AKL-WLG and AKL-CHC especially if there is demand for Business Class.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:45 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 71):
Just good old New Zealand lack of ability to look ahead and plan projects according to need.

Sad but true. Just like the roadworks to make the motorway go underneath Kirkbride Road - theoretically that should have been done when the motorway extension was opened. But 17, 18, 19? That's an odd number. I only recall there being 4 A380 gates along the side of the new pier from the last long term plans.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:22 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 76):

Don't forget gate 10 with an A380, very well planned. Wasn't quick patch up job with a ''aww sh*t we forgot we were getting 3 of em'' attitude at all  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:45 am

Why so much extra capacity on the AKL-BNE route today? There seems to be an extra 767 (ZK-NCL) and an extra 777 (ZK-OKH) as compared to normal.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 43):
"Traffic, heavier planes force runway patch-up" - Queenstown Airport spends up to $400,000 fixing wear and tear.

Queenstown Airport has been forced to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on patching its runway after damage by heavy aircraft.

Between $300,000 and $400,000 has been spent on 2800sq m of new asphalt to cover grooves in the runway at one of Australasia's fastest growing airports.

Pilots had complained about ruts that were filling up with water, which coming into winter would have made landing on the runway trickier.

Hardly surprising, really. Most of the A320s/737s going in and out of there are landing very close to Maximum Landing Weight. This is because fuel there is so expensive and the airlines consequently tanker in as much of it as they can.

Queenstown really needs a full length taxiway that jets can use, inorder to reduce all the time wasted by aircraft waiting for others to backtrack.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 56):
Maybe the 763s could hit the peak domesitc runs?

When do the 767s position down to Christchurch for the CHC-PER-CHC flights? Is the flight bookable.

I believe that ZK-NBA did quite a few months of domestic runs after it was delivered, so that the airline could build up time before it did ETOPS runs.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 60):
If it isn't difficult let staff handle it. As a rule I never let my customers do my job, not do I expect to do others work. And since I have basic manners, the idea of stretching across someone to pick up a third persons tray is plain wrong and I most certainly hope that the average passengers wouldnt do that across me if i ever had the misfortune of being in a middle seat.

And the idea that because your in economy you should do the work yourself and staff just sit and do nothing, cant you hear how it sounds?
Old people, please sort it all yourself on a fullservice carrier, you are in economy class so we don't care...

Doing their job for them? Its just passing a tray and takes a maximum of ten seconds. If they can't reach, then what's the alternative? Getting out of your seat so that the FA can stand closer and reach the yet-to-be-collected tray? Seems like an awful waste of time and will create much more of a disturbance to the passengers seated near you. If a FA passed you two arrival/customs cards and asked you to pass one to your neighbour, is that also a problem and proof that the carrier has awful customer service standards. It's not like they're asking you to do a drinks run.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 60):
With those thoughts, the entitlement and the idea that economy class passengers should have no service, I truly feel sorry over the entitlement you show.
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Entitlement, really? Entitlement is when passengers book jetstar level fares and expect Etihad 'The Residence' levels of service. For this reason, I'm very glad that I'm not a FA.

If you look through most of my posts here over the last several threads of 'The Air New Zealand Vendetta Phase', you will see that nearly always I've agreed with Gasman et al with the fact that the carrier has let standards slip. In those threads proper service issues such as language used to address pax, cabin cleanliness, lounges, 3-4-3 in 777s, meals etc were discussed. These are all pressing issues that the airline needs to be dealing with. FA's not being able to reach meal trays and asking pax to assist them by passing it isn't.

.....unless I could use that as further reason to moan about 3-4-3 in 777s.   

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 66):
One of the reasons for the change is that thirty years ago aircraft like the B737 were very close to max range even across the Tasman.

Does anyone here know what year Air New Zealand's last trans-Tasman 737 service was and which route? I seem to remember that they flew 737s to BNE as late as 2006. Presumably they would have been ETOPS capable back then.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:34 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 78):
When do the 767s position down to Christchurch for the CHC-PER-CHC flights? Is the flight bookable.

They won't need to position an aircraft to CHC. From 11 Dec 2015 to 01 May 2016 the two seasonal PER-CHC-PER are in conjunction with three seasonal AKL-PER-AKL as follows:

Mon ... AKL-PER 1900/2140
Mon ... PER-CHC 2330/1045
Tue .... CHC-PER 1430/1655
Wed ... PER-AKL 0600/1730
Thu .... AKL-PER 1900/2140
Fri ...... PER-AKL 0600/1730
Fri ...... AKL-PER 1900/2140
Fri ...... PER-CHC 2330/1045
Sat ..... CHC-PER 1430/1655
Sun .... PER-CHC 0600/1730

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:48 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 78):
Why so much extra capacity on the AKL-BNE route today? There seems to be an extra 767 (ZK-NCL) and an extra 777 (ZK-OKH) as compared to normal.

772 ZK-OKH positioned to Brisbane this evening as it is due to operate a charter service on behalf of FCL tomorrow, Friday 17 July 2015. The aircraft will fly Brisbane to Las Vegas as NZ1954, departing BNE at 0855L.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:17 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 78):
When do the 767s position down to Christchurch for the CHC-PER-CHC flights? Is the flight bookable.

Yep it's bookable back only as NZ596, so if you want a sector you will have to book prior to 11DEC..
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 81):
Yep it's bookable back only as NZ596, so if you want a sector you will have to book prior to 11DEC..

Don't see how as there's no PER-CHC between now and 11 Dec 2015  

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:31 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 82):

Don't see how as there's no PER-CHC between now and 11 Dec 2015

Shows how much attention I pay to the CHC schedule...  Good. Another gate complexity gone for the time being.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:08 am

Kiwi Regional have their first Saab340A purchased via one of their shareholders

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:24 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 84):

Not only that, but they're already having a disagreement over something that should really be clear-cut. If they can't agree on who actually owns their aircraft, how on earth can they run a commercial passenger operation? If this is a sign of things to come, there will be some entertaining times ahead.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:59 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 79):
Sun .... PER-CHC 0600/1730

Should have been: Sun .... PER-AKL 0600/1730

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:47 pm

I see ZK-NZD is in the air flying east from KPAE. Using the call sign of NZ1 which is strange. Probably a B flight now heading 199degrees just west of Walla Walla.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:51 am

I wouldn't be surprised it KRA didn't make it beyond the New Year.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:53 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 88):

I wouldn't be surprised it KRA didn't make it beyond the New Year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have a single revenue flight.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:49 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 89):
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have a single revenue flight.

Could be right there, they have just released there fares today. Doesn't really stack up to be that profitable, it seems to apply that its an flat $134 for DUD-ZQN with $20 extra for an bag. http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/34...gional-flights-start-sept-fare-134


Say if they fill 80% of seats 26/33 on an single flight that gives you around $3484 income before tax.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:17 am

Quoting taieridrome (Reply 38):

How late is too late? I ask this as early this evening I was on flightradar24 and noted NZ648 ZQN-AKL departed ZQN at 5.38pm. At this time of night it must have been close to dark, certainly late twilight. Just how late can aircraft leave ZQN? Does each airline have its own rules in regards to departures from ZQN or is this covered by general regulations? I ask all this assuming flightradar24 is in fact correct.


Evening Civil Twilight minus 30 mins is the cutoff for arrivals and departures. Must be airborne/on the ground prior to this time which varies everyday.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:33 am

Thanks for the reply Bonzolab. Civil Twilight at ZQN on 13 July was 5.55pm. Interesting, but not sure if Flightradar24 departure times are accurate, maybe/maybe not. Whatever the case this aircraft obviously got out right on the limit if not beyond it.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:36 am

Air New Zealand has a special authorisation to depart from ZQN upto 15 mins prior to evening civil twilight. This is primarily based on the RNP technology that allows the A320 to depart into cloud while utilising the current runway edge lights, albeit the runway will be widened next summer.

This is not a night operation (which requirs a significant operational approval all on its own), but a special twilight approval that gives the airline an additional 15 mins of 'effective daylight operation' to depart.

Clever stuff and good on them for eking out the additional 15 mins. Looks like it saved the day here!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:02 am

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 93):

More the reason to fly NZ in/out of ZQN.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:48 am

Hi Guys

I have a couple of questions regarding type use:

1. Didn't SQ combine its two B777 flights into one A380, with the agreement with NZ, and NZ doing one B772 run? I am booked on SQ and are on a B77W, instead of an A380...

2. Has CZ stopped using the 787 to AKL? I looked a few time on Flightradar, and noticed that all flights I checked were on A330 metal.

Are they both seasonsal?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):
1. Didn't SQ combine its two B777 flights into one A380, with the agreement with NZ, and NZ doing one B772 run? I am booked on SQ and are on a B77W, instead of an A380...

No, SQ forgave the SQ281/2 to NZ as part of the deal; and only operate SQ 285/6. The A380 is seasonal for the time being (probably stay like that).

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):
2. Has CZ stopped using the 787 to AKL? I looked a few time on Flightradar, and noticed that all flights I checked were on A330 metal.

Yes, for now it is all A330. Not entirely sure if it's seasonal either because CZ started bringing the 77W to AKL over the summer. It is an option for them though.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:06 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):
1. Didn't SQ combine its two B777 flights into one A380, with the agreement with NZ, and NZ doing one B772 run? I am booked on SQ and are on a B77W, instead of an A380..

Seasonal only at least for now, back to A380 late October. NZ will switch SIN to a 789 in NOV.

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):

2. Has CZ stopped using the 787 to AKL? I looked a few time on Flightradar, and noticed that all flights I checked were on A330 metal.

CZ have stopped using the 787 to AKL. Currently all A332 10 weekly, the 77W will be back daily in summer, was here last summer until June, and a daily A332 on the second service.

Any news on the proposed CA service from PEK? Is this still likely to happen this year? I'm guessing it would be similar to CZ, MU arriving around 1800 departing around 2100?

PX were also mentioned some time back aswell, anything on them? I was thinking they would run via CNS like PR will, using a 737? Thoughts?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:11 am

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):
1. Didn't SQ combine its two B777 flights into one A380, with the agreement with NZ, and NZ doing one B772 run? I am booked on SQ and are on a B77W, instead of an A380...

No. SQ A380 is currently only seasonal. It dropped back to 77W in March I think it was. Not sure yet if it has been confirmed again for the high season.

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):
2. Has CZ stopped using the 787 to AKL? I looked a few time on Flightradar, and noticed that all flights I checked were on A330 metal.

CZ dropped back after the 77W went. Not sure quite why but probably availability of fleet.

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 95):
Are they both seasonal?

CZ 10 a week currently prior to the double daily increase later in the year.
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:09 pm

Thanks for the answers, guys!

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 97):
Seasonal only at least for now, back to A380 late October. NZ will switch SIN to a 789 in NOV.

Darn - I must be just missing it. My flight is 21st October!

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 98):
CZ 10 a week currently prior to the double daily increase later in the year.

hehe, I meant the aircraft type seasonal, not the service as such  

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