New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 162

SXI899 · Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:13 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 84):
Kiwi Regional have their first Saab340A purchased via one of their shareholders

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7029...plane

Word is that it's MSN 340A-065 (Info here).
Being a QC model, perhaps they can do some cargo runs at night to increase revenue and utilisation.

zkncj · Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:12 pm

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 100):
Word is that it's MSN 340A-065 (Info here).
Being a QC model, perhaps they can do some cargo runs at night to increase revenue and utilisation.

But there already maxing out an single plane during the day, surely its going to need MX at night especially being an 1986 build?

DUD-ZQN 0:40
ZQN-DUD 0:40
DUD-NSN 1:30
NSN-HLZ 1:20
HLZ-NSN 1:20
NSN-DUD 1:30
DUD-ZQN 0:40
ZQN-DUD 0:40

That's an allot of cross country for an single plane in one day

777ER · Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:58 am

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 100):

Yes its been confirmed MSN065 is the aircraft.

SXI899 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 101):
But there already maxing out an single plane during the day, surely its going to need MX at night especially being an 1986 build?

I was being semi-serious considering the doubts expressed over the financial viability of the operation.
From an operational standpoint, I suspect that there are going to be plenty of days that the weather at Queenstown is going to prevent them getting in. Expect a fair bit of bad press the first few times that happens, unless they have a solid plan prepared for the situation!

zkncj · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:30 am

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 103):
pect that there are going to be plenty of days that the weather at Queenstown is going to prevent them getting in. Expect a fair bit of bad press the first few times that happens, unless they have a solid plan prepared for the situation!

Maybe they got an cheap deal on an japaness import bus? since one of the shareholders is 2cheapcars....

aerorobnz · Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:53 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 104):

The roads have been closed so many times this year that unless they are all open the alternate airport for ZQN is point of origin not DUD/IVC to avoid stranding passengers on the roadside.

Crazy operation for a 30 year old aircraft. The metro III that CV use is also that old but they are not flying it to airports routinely closed by snow ice fog.

zkncj · Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 105):
Crazy operation for a 30 year old aircraft. The metro III that CV use is also that old but they are not flying it to airports routinely closed by snow ice fog.

Surely they will need some sort of approval to operate into ZQN with such dated equipment on an regular bases?

sunrisevalley · Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 106):
Surely they will need some sort of approval to operate into ZQN with such dated equipment on an regular bases?

will they hire pilots with ZQN experience? Seems to me that it would be desirable .

SXI899 · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 106):

Surely they will need some sort of approval to operate into ZQN with such dated equipment on an regular bases?

Not really. As long as the crews meet the CAANZ training requirements for operations into ZQN, the equipment used doesn't matter. As the aircraft in its current configuration doesn't seem to be fitted with a integrated GNSS, they'll be limited to the more restrictive minimums for the VOR/DME approach.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 107):

will they hire pilots with ZQN experience? Seems to me that it would be desirable .

That or they'll provide the crews they have with the necessary training (see AIP NZQN AD 2.22.2).

xiaotung · Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:00 am

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...tition-regulators-query-jvs-235949

NZ/CX alliance authorisation is due to expire in Jan 2016. Re-authorisation is still pending. NZ/CA alliance approval is also pending. Do we seriously expect both alliances get approval? I personally cannot see any public benefit for the CX alliance which covers hardly anywhere beyond HKG.

Gasman · Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:13 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 109):
I personally cannot see any public benefit for the CX alliance which covers hardly anywhere beyond HKG.

It probably made sense in the context of NZ having recently withdrawn from its spectacularly unsuccessful HKG-LHR route. Less so now.

NZ107 · Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:53 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 109):

Quote:
The re-authorisation application maintains the view that without authorisation, Air NZ or Cathay would withdraw from the Auckland-Hong Kong route. But they state that even if New Zealand does not believe this would occur and both airlines would remain on the route, the alliance is necessary as Air NZ and Cathay are "constrained by a number of established one-stop carriers.

What sort of joke is that? Is NZ doing that bad that they need to either have an agreement to retain a duopoly or find a new monopoly on another route?

Gasman · Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 111):
What sort of joke is that? Is NZ doing that bad that they need to either have an agreement to retain a duopoly or find a new monopoly on another route?

In a nutshell, yes.

Well I don't know about "doing that bad", but historically, operating in a truly competitive free market outside some sort of duopoly/alliance/agreement/codeshare arrangement scares the bejesus out of NZ, and they just don't do it.

aerokiwi · Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:44 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 111):
What sort of joke is that? Is NZ doing that bad that they need to either have an agreement to retain a duopoly or find a new monopoly on another route?

Yeah that's a pretty weak argument. A non-argument, essentially. It's effectively a monopoly now - the withdrawal of one carrier (extremely unlikely but let's face it - veiled NZ threat) - would be a short term capacity blip that would fairly quickly stabilize care of CX.

I don't really understand why this alliance was allowed in the first place. How was it justified? Or is the Commerce Commission just a shill for NZ these days?

keen2fly · Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:08 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 113):
I don't really understand why this alliance was allowed in the first place. How was it justified? Or is the Commerce Commission just a shill for NZ these days?

One has to wonder, maybe protecting the government's interests with being the majority owner of NZ. Seems a bit far-fetched I know, but it really does seem like an incredibly high threshold before something is deemed anti-competitive when it comes to things regarding NZ.

777ER · Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:35 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 113):

I don't really understand why this alliance was allowed in the first place.

On the positive, its enabled aviation lovers/Airpoints members to try an A340 instead of a B777

NZ107 · Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:22 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 115):
its enabled aviation lovers/Airpoints members to try an A340 instead of a B777

No, only the latter. And even then, they'd be cursing themselves for the whole flight as the hard product is so much worse on the CX 343 in all but Y+.

Aviation lovers would have forked out for the 343 regardless. The better options a few years back was to take a trip to SYD on AR/LA. You still have TN too..

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 113):
I don't really understand why this alliance was allowed in the first place. How was it justified? Or is the Commerce Commission just a shill for NZ these days?

I think they're also partly to blame for it not being more than it was.. They blocked codesharing on HKG-LHR and that may have had an effect on the overall outcome afterwards. There's very little you can actually do on a NZ code once you reach HKG.. To the point where you're probably better off on OW to begin with.

xiaotung · Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:58 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
I think they're also partly to blame for it not being more than it was.. They blocked codesharing on HKG-LHR and that may have had an effect on the overall outcome afterwards. There's very little you can actually do on a NZ code once you reach HKG.. To the point where you're probably better off on OW to begin with.

But they have stated in the beginning that the CX alliance was for the Mainland China market and yet there is no codeshare agreement with CX nor KA anywhere beyond HKG. They only interline, which was the same pre-alliance. I haven't spot any CX code on NZ domestic flights either.

If it was more than HKG, why was there no further codeshare? If the alliance was only about O&D traffic, why would they approve an alliance between the only 2 players? In any case, this alliance makes no sense at all.

[Edited 2015-07-22 03:59:48]

NZ107 · Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:17 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 117):
yet there is no codeshare agreement with CX nor KA anywhere beyond HKG.

I think it's because it was blocked by one of the bodies; either NZ Commerce Commission or the HK equivalent. But they went ahead with the watered down version anyway.

xiaotung · Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 118):
I think it's because it was blocked by one of the bodies; either NZ Commerce Commission or the HK equivalent. But they went ahead with the watered down version anyway.

So essentially one of the bodies approved an alliance between the only 2 players based only on AKL-HKG traffic? What were they thinking? If they want CA alliance to get approval, perhaps they should drop CX. CA will fly here eventually with or without NZ.

cchan · Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 116):
No, only the latter. And even then, they'd be cursing themselves for the whole flight as the hard product is so much worse on the CX 343 in all but Y+.

Correct. I would pay more to get on the NZ 772, even with the 3-4-3 layout.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 117):
But they have stated in the beginning that the CX alliance was for the Mainland China market and yet there is no codeshare agreement with CX nor KA anywhere beyond HKG. They only interline, which was the same pre-alliance. I haven't spot any CX code on NZ domestic flights either.

They have added a bunch of interline to short haul destinations around HKG, that's about all. Some of these are previous interlines with another airline.

I know that I have moaned about the CX-NZ alliance since day 1. Almost 2.5 years on now, I have yet to see any benefits of this alliance for my travels between AKL and HKG. All I have noticed are that: CX has changed their baggage allowance to the more restrictive 1 piece system (and charges a greedier extra baggage charge compared to NZ); their is no incentive for CX to improve on their equipment on this route (AKL is their sole remaining long haul route which is operated by the horrible 343s); and no more real competition between CX and NZ in their pricing.

[Edited 2015-07-22 05:55:27]

[Edited 2015-07-22 05:57:22]

ZKOJH · Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:01 pm

"Boom times hit Auckland Airport in June"

Booming airline traffic around the world has helped boost passenger numbers through Auckland Airport.

The airport recorded a 7.2 per cent increase in international passengers during June with the total up to 593,000. For the year to the end of June total passengers are up 5.7 per cent to 8.6 million.

The company said growth was underpinned by robust demand across all regions with passenger loadings increasing across the network.

International Air Transport Association figures for may show passenger travel on international markets rose 6.2 per cent in May compared to a year ago, accelerating on the 3.8 per cent increase in April.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11484998

mariner · Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:13 am

Given that most of the flight experience articles in the local newspapers are usually puff pieces, not very critical, it's good to see one for Sounds Air, Wellington to Westport - and a full plane:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ticle.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11484020

"Flight check: Wellington to Westport

Andrew Potter catches Sounds Air flight S8903 from Wellington to Westport.

Would I fly this again? Absolutely, Sounds Air offer a great service to a small but important part of New Zealand."

mariner

Unclekoru · Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:23 am

VA 738 to operate MEL-WLG-NPE today. A nice treat for the local spotters.

777ER · Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:47 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 123):

Anyone know why this flight operated today?

coolian2 · Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:07 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 124):
Anyone know why this flight operated today?

NRL - Melbourne vs St George to be held in Napier over the weekend.

Gasman · Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:25 am

This is interesting.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11485589

Reading between the lines, I think it is slamming NZ's performance as an employer.

xiaotung · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:07 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 126):
Reading between the lines, I think it is slamming NZ's performance as an employer.

But didn't NZ win some awards for New Zealand's best employer for how many years in a row?

keen2fly · Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:26 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 127):
But didn't NZ win some awards for New Zealand's best employer for how many years in a row?

Well, yes, but NZ has also won multiple awards proclaiming it to be the world's best airline, I would take awards like this with a pinch of salt.

zkojq · Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:49 am

Looks like a bit of windshear for QF162:

Quote:
Passengers on a Wellington to Sydney flight took a terrifying mid-air plunge that knocked the aircraft off its axis as it flew in to land.

A Wellington woman on the Qantas flight said it suddenly lost height while cornering shortly before touching down in Sydney.

The fuselage also tilted so it was nearly vertical to the ground, she said.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11481613

Quoting QF175 (Reply 80):
772 ZK-OKH positioned to Brisbane this evening as it is due to operate a charter service on behalf of FCL tomorrow, Friday 17 July 2015. The aircraft will fly Brisbane to Las Vegas as NZ1954, departing BNE at 0855L.

That explains it. Thanks!

Quoting PA515 (Reply 79):
They won't need to position an aircraft to CHC. From 11 Dec 2015 to 01 May 2016 the two seasonal PER-CHC-PER are in conjunction with three seasonal AKL-PER-AKL as follows:

Very clever of them in scheduling! Pity that they don't do domestic positioning legs, but I guess that saves the airline cash.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 101):
DUD-ZQN 0:40
ZQN-DUD 0:40
DUD-NSN 1:30
NSN-HLZ 1:20
HLZ-NSN 1:20
NSN-DUD 1:30
DUD-ZQN 0:40
ZQN-DUD 0:40

Quoting SXI899 (Reply 103):
From an operational standpoint, I suspect that there are going to be plenty of days that the weather at Queenstown is going to prevent them getting in.

IMO, Queenstown is probably a great place for a startup airline to avoid, at least initially. For their first months* of flying they will want to focus on making sure that operations and schedule run smoothly (as well as ticket sales). I suspect that having Queenstown in the network will be a lot more trouble than it's worth.

*Assuming they get to months, which is far from a given.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 123):
VA 738 to operate MEL-WLG-NPE today. A nice treat for the local spotters.

VH-YIQ.

Quoting gasman (Reply 126):
Reading between the lines, I think it is slamming NZ's performance as an employer.

Air New Zealand is a big company. Employment experiences probably vary vastly between different departments and stations. Regarding the article; I wonder how much it costs to hire such consultants. Probably isn't cheap.

PA515 · Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:08 pm

ZK-OKB was towed to the AKL International Terminal at 1908 last night, so now that's five upgraded 77E's. It didn't go out to SIN or HKG last night, so that means 0845 AKL-RAR, 0900 AKL-SYD, or 0930 AKL-BNE this morning.

ZK-OKC was towed to the hangar on Wednesday morning, so that appears to be the next one until mid September. Then it looks like ZK-OKF late August to mid October, and ZK-OKD mid October to early December.

Also, two ATR's and a Q300 have been out of action for a while. ZK-MCC, ZK-MCW and ZK-NEM. Don't know if they are getting a repaint or just scheduled maintenance.

ZK-OXK had it's first flight yesterday, and ZK-NZD could be due to arrive AKL on Sunday morning.

PA515

[Edited 2015-07-23 07:13:37]

aerorobnz · Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:53 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 130):
ZK-NZD could be due to arrive AKL on Sunday morning.

I thought it was 2100 Sunday arrival and heading into service on 29th..??

777ER · Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:57 pm

WLG is set to break its April record of 77,000 international passengers this month by 3%

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7049...national-passenger-records-in-july

sunrisevalley · Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:36 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 131):
I thought it was 2100 Sunday arrival

I had heard out 1200 Friday in 2100 Saturday all things going well. Lets check the flight plans out of KPAE in about 24- hours to see if anything is happening.

[Edited 2015-07-23 10:42:33]

zkncj · Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:53 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 130):
0845 AKL-RAR, 0900 AKL-SYD, or 0930 AKL-BNE this morning.

Isn't AKL-BNE an 77W not an 772?

PA515 · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:33 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 134):
Isn't AKL-BNE an 77W not an 772?

According to the schedule today is a 77E, but next Friday it's a 77W.

PA515

zkojq · Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 130):

Thanks for the fleet updates.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 134):
Isn't AKL-BNE an 77W not an 772?

They vary it depending on demand, I believe. Recently Brisbane has been getting a B763 as well.

Quoting cchan (Reply 120):
Correct. I would pay more to get on the NZ 772, even with the 3-4-3 layout.

I did AKL-PVG (789, NZE) then PVG-HKG (KA A333) to avoid both.

zkncj · Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 136):
They vary it depending on demand, I believe. Recently Brisbane has been getting a B763 as well.

Typical NZ135/136 is an daily 77W, then the extra wide body service NZ134/133 is an mix of 772/763.

Just like with MEL NZ123/124 is pretty much an daily 77W, then the extra widebody service is an mix of 772/763

Quoting PA515 (Reply 135):
According to the schedule today is a 77E, but next Friday it's a 77W.

Even more likely that OKB is off to BNE this morning!

zkojq · Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:39 am

Managed to log the whole 737 fleet today.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 133):
I had heard out 1200 Friday in 2100 Saturday all things going well. Lets check the flight plans out of KPAE in about 24- hours to see if anything is happening.

NZ6092 from Everett is now listed on Auckland Airport's website. ETA 2100 tomorrow evening. Unfortunately my night photography skills are lacking, so I probably won't bother going to see it arrive.

PA515 · Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:18 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 138):
NZ6092 from Everett is now listed on Auckland Airport's website. ETA 2100 tomorrow evening. Unfortunately my night photography skills are lacking, so I probably won't bother going to see it arrive.

Showing as 'scheduled' 26 Jul 0600, but 'estimated' 2100 (25 Jul), so 9 hours ahead of schedule.

PA515

aerorobnz · Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 138):
I probably won't bother going to see it arrive.

It's not a new frame for the database anyway. We have already photographed it in a better scheme, so it can wait until it comes back from SYD.

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 138):
Managed to log the whole 737 fleet today

All two of them?? haha or did you complete along missing gap? I missed out on NGA-NGB-NGC/NGN but got the rest through NGP. Good work - I notched a couple of OKE sectors finally last month so I understand the drive to 'complete the set'..

Lol Just a casual look at the Air New Zealand widebody fleet I've flown. I now need 2 77W, 2 763s, 2 789s (inc NZD). The International A320s require a bit of work with 11 to go, Domestic A320 fleet just 5 to go.G,H,I,J,K. I just hope I don't get OJQ for the 14th time before I get them too. Good times.

PA515 · Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:55 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 133):
I had heard out 1200 Friday in 2100 Saturday all things going well. Lets check the flight plans out of KPAE in about 24- hours to see if anything is happening.

Departing KPAE 1210 PDT, Friday 24 July 2015. Arriving NZAA 1956 NZST, Saturday 25 July 2015.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANZ6092

PA515

zkeoj · Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:20 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 138):
Managed to log the whole 737 fleet today

Great stuff - congrats! Can you tell us what regos they were for the 733s, i.e. including the SJ* frames? Just asking, because airfleets.net is incomplete - they, for example, don't have NGI, NGJ, NGG, NGK, NGL listed. Here is what I can put togther (* = the ones I have been on):

ZK-NGA
ZK-NGB
ZK-NGC
*ZK-NGD
ZK-NGE
*ZK-NGF
*ZK-NGG
*ZK-NGH
*ZK-NGI
*ZK-NGJ
*ZK-NGK
ZK-NGL
*ZK-NGM
ZK-NGN
*ZK-NGO
ZK-NGP
*ZK-NGR

ZK-FDM
*ZK-FRE

*ZK-SJB
ZK-SJC
*ZK-SJE

Any that I have missed?

Cheers
micha

[Edited 2015-07-24 20:06:05]

zkeoj · Sat Jul 25, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 140):
I notched a couple of OKE sectors finally last month so I understand the drive to 'complete the set'..

while we are at it

B772
ZK-OKA
*ZK-OKB
*ZK-OKC
ZK-OKD
*ZK-OKE
*ZK-OKF
*ZK-OKG
ZK-OKH

B77W
*ZK-OKM
*ZK-OKN
*ZK-OKO
*ZK-OKP
*ZK-OPQ
ZK-OKR
*ZK-OKS

B763
ZK-NCE
*ZK-NCF
*ZK-NCG
ZK-NCH
*ZK-NCI
*ZK-NCJ
*ZK-NCK
*ZK-NCL
ZK-NCM
*ZK-NCN
*ZK-NCO

aerorobnz · Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:06 am

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 142):
because airfleets.net is incomplete

Planespotters.net has a full historical fleet. Makes for interesting reading.
PS ZK-FDM never appears to have operated in NZ colours.

ZKNCL · Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 142):
ZK-NGL

We didn't have one of those!

I believe SJE was close to carrying that rego, but she ended up with Freedom Air.

Andrensn · Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:34 am

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 142):

With regards to the 733 fleet why wasn't there a ZK-NGQ because the fleet goes O,P - R and misses Q.
Also I get that the ZK-FDx series was used to distinguish Freedom Air birds with those of AirNZ, but why did AirNZ decide to use the ZK-SJx series?
Cheers
Andrensn

NZ1 · Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:22 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 130):
ZK-OKB was towed to the AKL International Terminal at 1908 last night, so now that's five upgraded 77E's. It didn't go out to SIN or HKG last night, so that means 0845 AKL-RAR, 0900 AKL-SYD, or 0930 AKL-BNE this morning.

ZK-OKC was towed to the hangar on Wednesday morning, so that appears to be the next one until mid September. Then it looks like ZK-OKF late August to mid October, and ZK-OKD mid October to early December.

Also, two ATR's and a Q300 have been out of action for a while. ZK-MCC, ZK-MCW and ZK-NEM. Don't know if they are getting a repaint or just scheduled maintenance.

ZK-OXK had it's first flight yesterday, and ZK-NZD could be due to arrive AKL on Sunday morning.

PA515

[Edited 2015-07-23 07:13:37]

MCW is in maintenance at NSN.

MCC has just completed it's scheduled repaint at CHC.

NEM is in maintenance at NSN

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 146):

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 142):

With regards to the 733 fleet why wasn't there a ZK-NGQ because the fleet goes O,P - R and misses Q.
Also I get that the ZK-FDx series was used to distinguish Freedom Air birds with those of AirNZ, but why did AirNZ decide to use the ZK-SJx series?
Cheers
Andrensn

SJ was the airline code for Freedom Air.

NZ1

Jetstar315 · Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:23 am

SJ was Freedomair's 2 letter code.
ZK-FDM only operated with Air NZ from 16-25 Oct 2005 and did so in Freedom livery without titles for that short period.
ZK-NGN was never delivered to Air NZ - Cancelled.
There is no record of ZK-NGQ ever being ordered. I can't explain why it wasn't used.
If anybody wants to message me I can give you some interesting info on Air NZ's fleet.

Mr AirNZ · Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 148):
ZK-NGN was never delivered to Air NZ - Cancelled.

Oh she existed.
https://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=ZK-NGN

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