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American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:54 am

Perhaps some of you could answer some questions I have about American Eagle's fleet plans.

I know that several 145s from MQ are being parcled out to other operators under the AE brand. When this is done, how many 145s will MQ have left and is AA planing on parking them when the leases expire in 2017?

How many E 170/75s does AA have on order and what operators are they going too?

Will the Peidmont and Air Wisconsin CRJ 200 fleet numbers be reduced?

Finally, does anyone think AA might look at the E195 or other like aircraft for future 100 seat capacity at mainline?

Thank you.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:18 am

Quoting dsuairptman (Thread starter):
I know that several 145s from MQ are being parcled out to other operators under the AE brand. When this is done, how many 145s will MQ have left and is AA planing on parking them when the leases expire in 2017?

From Envoy:
15 each will go to Trans States & ExpressJet(30 total). Those should be in the phase of transferring now.
Piedmont will get 20 starting in the end of 2015/beginning of 2016
All EMB-140's will be parked/stored by the end of 2015(29 total-some still flying with one in the new livery for flight schools and other special events where the 140 would not impact operations)

Envoy will get 40 175's.
The 145 fleet after this will be 49 after the fleet is distributed between the three airlines that will be receiving them.

Quoting dsuairptman (Thread starter):
How many E 170/75s does AA have on order and what operators are they going too?

AA has 60 aircraft and 90 options (40 will go to MQ and 20 will be for Compass Airlines)
Republic has 50 from the first order before the 60+90 options.

Quoting dsuairptman (Thread starter):
Will the Peidmont and Air Wisconsin CRJ 200 fleet numbers be reduced?

I doubt. I have not heard anything about their fleet being removed. Just the aircraft transfer.

As for the CRJ-700's, there are 47 and those will be going to PSA a few a month for now until 2017 where the transfer will continue. There is a hiatus for CRJ transfer due to the pilot shortage at PSA with the CRJ-900 deliveries & CRJ-700's being transferred.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:21 pm

Wow. Envoy will only have 89 airframes? That's a sad fall from where they were a few years ago.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:36 pm

What's the status of the Dash 8 fleet? How much longer will they remain in service?
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:44 pm

Air Wisconsin is reducing their fleet size as part of the deal to extend their contract two years, I believe they are going down to 58 airframes. Piedmont announcement about the PHL domicile for the 145 explains where some of the ZW flying is being pulled from.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:49 pm

When will Envoy end their flying in and out of Miami? I see envoy flights still in the schedule thru DEC 2015 from MIA to BHM/CLE/CVG/CMH/ORF/JAX/GNV/PNS/EYW. Will Eagle at MIA be all 170/175's with Republic or will some 145's still be routed thru MIA with Trans State or Piedmont?
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:54 pm

Good post. What's the future of OO's CRJ200s? Isn't that contract ending?
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 3):
What's the status of the Dash 8 fleet? How much longer will they remain in service?

I know 18 Piedmont Dash 8s have been repainted, which indicates they should be in the fleet for a bit longer yet. I believe Piedmont is acquiring E145s though to begin replacing the mighty Dash.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 3):
What's the status of the Dash 8 fleet? How much longer will they remain in service?

Leases on some of the 300s run into 2020. There are no retirements of 100s scheduled until 2017 and then many should meet their 80k cycle limit shortly after that.

Quoting miaami (Reply 5):

When will Envoy end their flying in and out of Miami? I see envoy flights still in the schedule thru DEC 2015 from MIA to BHM/CLE/CVG/CMH/ORF/JAX/GNV/PNS/EYW. Will Eagle at MIA be all 170/175's with Republic or will some 145's still be routed thru MIA with Trans State or Piedmont?

As of now, they are scheduled to end 145 flying on 12/31. After that, it will all be 170/175.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:10 pm

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 2):

Wow. Envoy will only have 89 airframes? That's a sad fall from where they were a few years ago.

True but AA owns Piedmont and PSA as well. There was bound to be some reallocation. It's not like these airframes are leaving the farm.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 9):

I understand your point, but try telling that to the Envoy pilots. It's sad what happened to a once good airline.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 10):
I understand your point, but try telling that to the Envoy pilots. It's sad what happened to a once good airline.

The whole regional airline concept has been through the toilet. It's not just Envoy.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:09 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 11):

I certainly won't argue with that.  
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting cageyjames (Reply 11):

At the same time understandable. U.S. is huge, without cheaper pilot and flight attendant contracts smaller cities would not be profitable and thus worth flying. They would remain unconnected.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:27 pm

Quoting thekorean (Reply 13):

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. If an airline cannot pay its employees a reasonable wage and still make money, the service shouldn't exist.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting flight152 (Reply 14):

Well point being regional airlines like Envoy is a necessity.

And perhaps these regional pilots should unionize like their main line counter part.

But yea. The low pay does seem extreme.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 6):
What's the future of OO's CRJ200s? Isn't that contract ending?

12 LAX frames end by Q1 2016. 11 DFW frames(ExpressJet Airlines) end in 2017 and the 6 pro-rate frames terminate with 120-days notice.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:45 am

Quoting thekorean (Reply 15):

They are unionized. All but SkyWest. One of the huge problems is those unions not equally representing regionals as they do their mainline counterparts. Personally, that's totally understandable to me. I would much prefer all flying to be taken back my the mainline airlines and let the regionals wither and die. I know that won't happen, but wishful thinking. It's a conflict of interest, in my opinion, to have ALPA represent, say, ExpressJet and United. Of course they will do what's best for United over the regional partner, and I don't blame them at all.

What really peeves me is ALPA allowing airplanes from one ALPA carrier to be taken by another. That is clearly against the constitution and bylaws established by ALPA, yet it's happening as we speak. In fact, PSA even negotiating with the company when they did was outside of the C&BL because the existing contract was valid at the time and not up for negotiation. I understand that it isn't a rare occurrence for that to take place, but why even bother if the rule isn't going to be enforced?

Anyway, the point is, the regionals are heavily unionized but it doesn't do any good when rules are allowed to be broken and pilots are all too willing to stab each other in the back to get ahead.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:29 pm

Any idea when the Republic E-170s will start being repainted? Right now it's just the 175s getting new paint.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:36 pm

Quoting SaabFA71 (Reply 18):
Any idea when the Republic E-170s will start being repainted? Right now it's just the 175s getting new paint.

From what I understand, repainting has pretty much stopped for the summer, but should pick up again in the fall. I would expect to see some of the E170s head to the paint hangar at that time.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:59 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
12 LAX frames end by Q1 2016. 11 DFW frames(ExpressJet Airlines) end in 2017 and the 6 pro-rate frames terminate with 120-days notice.

Will the deal on the 12 LAX frames be renewed/extended? or will they be replaced with something else?
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 20):
Will the deal on the 12 LAX frames be renewed/extended? or will they be replaced with something else?

As of now the 50-seater will be gone from LAX come early 2016.

This is why AA has continued to drop LAX Eagle cities. SAF, RDM, MRY, etc and reduce frequencies in markets like SAN. Either the route can support a 70-seater or it looks like they get chopped entirely from LAX.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:21 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
As of now the 50-seater will be gone from LAX come early 2016.

Any idea what will replace the 50-seaters? Looking to fly LAX-RNO next year and hoping to get a 175.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:29 pm

Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 22):

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
As of now the 50-seater will be gone from LAX come early 2016.

Any idea what will replace the 50-seaters? Looking to fly LAX-RNO next year and hoping to get a 175.

They've moving 175s onto LAX - FAT and SMF this fall.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:43 pm

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but who actually operates the N2xxNN series of 175's?
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 24):

I believe that's compass.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 23):
Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 22):

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
As of now the 50-seater will be gone from LAX come early 2016.

Any idea what will replace the 50-seaters? Looking to fly LAX-RNO next year and hoping to get a 175.

They've moving 175s onto LAX - FAT and SMF this fall.

So is LAX-RNO going mainline? Or CRJ-700,900
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:17 am

Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 26):
So is LAX-RNO going mainline? Or CRJ-700,900

Looks like it will be operated by Skywest CRJ 700/900s.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:44 am

OO loses the PHX based 900s in August and they are being replaced with some of the LAX 200s. The 12 frames from LAX will replace all of the PHX frames since most are painted and are slightly younger. I believe OO will have 14 PHX frames plus one generic spare (currently 477CA) once all is said and done.

YV just had some 900 lines transferred from PHX to DFW. However, the internal AA system is showing PHX at 124 regional departures in September (currently 101 on flex days) so I am not sure where the gain there comes from. PHX from what I know should have 48 OO, 48 YV and 5 CP departures on flex in September. Where the rest come from, I will let you all guess.

Good to see EN picking up some jets as it gives some more hope that it'll stay around longer and not get merged with/absorbed by PSA or Envoy
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 27):
Quoting aalaxfan (Reply 26):
So is LAX-RNO going mainline? Or CRJ-700,900

Looks like it will be operated by Skywest CRJ 700/900s.

Oct shows 3X 175 and 1X 200.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:59 am

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 28):
PHX from what I know should have 48 OO, 48 YV and 5 CP departures on flex in September.

The Compass flights have been removed from the schedule. All Express flying out of PHX will be with YV 900s and OO 200s.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:04 pm

AA filed an 8K with the SEC last week that included an updated fleet plan:
http://services.corporate-ir.net/SEC...VzR3JvdXBJbmNfOEtfMjAxNTA3MTAucGRm

The regional totals for year end 2015 are as follows (carrier subtotals are mine):

DASH 8-100---26---(Piedmont)
DASH 8-300---11---(Piedmont)
CRJ-200-------129--(71 Air Wisc, 35 PSA, 15 ExpressJet, 12 SkyWest, 1 Mesa)
CRJ-700--------61--(14 PSA, 47 Envoy)
CRJ-900--------98--(65 Mesa, 34 PSA, 4 SkyWest)
ERJ-140--------13--(Envoy)
ERJ-145-------118--(79 Envoy, 15 Transtates, 26 ExpressJet)
E-170-----------20---(Republic)
E-175----------109--(85 Republic, 20 Compass, 4 Envoy)

I got the carrier subtotals from a variety of sources, and I know I am off on the CR2 (5 over) and CR9 (also 5 over). Where am I wrong?
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:30 pm

And for those of your keeping score on scope, the YE 2015 Narrow-Body fleet total is 794. So the scope totals will be:

Total Commuter Aircraft (75% of NB Fleet): 595 (585 actual)
Total Large RJ (40% of NB Fleet in 2016): 317 (212 actual CR9 and E175)

So, excluding the CR7s and E170s that IMO likely get reconfigured to 65 seats so as not to count as Large RJs, AA can take over 100 more CR9s and E175s. Next year and beyond Envoy is already scheduled to receive 36 more E175s and PSA 20 more CR9s, but there is still room under scope for ~50 more large RJ orders.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 31):
I got the carrier subtotals from a variety of sources, and I know I am off on the CR2 (5 over) and CR9 (also 5 over). Where am I wrong?

By the end of the year, Mesa should have 66 CRJ-900s (57+9 to be delivered) so you're one low there. I think Air Wisconsin might be getting rid of one CRJ-200, so they will be down to 70 I believe.
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:38 am

Quoting flight152 (Reply 14):

However the way we "award" regional flying is by making an RFQ, and picking the lowest bidder!
A very contradictory business model.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:19 am

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 32):
So, excluding the CR7s and E170s that IMO likely get reconfigured to 65 seats so as not to count as Large RJs, AA can take over 100 more CR9s and E175s.

AA claims the CR7 is already at 65 seats: http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/ourPlanes/crj700.jsp
US has the CR7 at 67: http://www.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/partnersfleet/fleet.html

The E170 would be a slightly more significant cut currently at 69.
The US E175 and CR9 are described as 80 and 79 seats respectively. Will they need to go down to 76?
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:22 am

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 35):
US has the CR7 at 67

The 14 LUS CR7s at PSA are the ones with 67 seats. As the Envoy frames start moving over, I presume they will get standardized at 65.

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 35):
The E170 would be a slightly more significant cut currently at 69.

The LAA 175s have signficant MCE sections while the E170s have none, so losing a row would allow MCE.

Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 35):
The US E175 and CR9 are described as 80 and 79 seats respectively. Will they need to go down to 76?

Those are grandfathered from the 76 seat limit, so I am not sure if there is any plan to change them. Perhaps they keep them on denser, less premium routes.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 36):
Those are grandfathered from the 76 seat limit, so I am not sure if there is any plan to change them. Perhaps they keep them on denser, less premium routes.

I cannot imagine that the benefits of a few more seats on some aircraft will outweigh a uniform fleet. Just from the perspective of a gate agent, let alone a passenger, making them all the same has serious benefits to the whole operation. Let's face it, the fundamental aspect of customer service that every airline needs the most work on is Expectation Management - matching the actual experience to the passenger's preconceived expectation - and an inconsistent fleet doesn't help do that.

Too, bringing them all into line with the contract language and not leaving some 'grandfathered' shows a level of good faith on the part of management that is more than desirable in the industry. I think Parker and team are well aware that that benefit outweighs the cost.
 
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RE: American Eagle Fleet Questions

Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting eugdjinn (Reply 37):
I cannot imagine that the benefits of a few more seats on some aircraft will outweigh a uniform fleet.

While I agree with your point on fleet standardization, I'm not so sure that 76 is the standard Parker has in mind. Just 6 months ago, they were trying to get APA to agree to 81:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...mum-seating-on-regional-jets.html/

Taking a few seats out of CR7s and E170s allows AA to order 34 more CR9s and E175s. Pulling seats out CR9s and E175s just reduces regional ASMs. With 38 80-seat E175s at Republic and 57 79-seat CR9s at Mesa (I think), that is a meaningful amount of capacity (4 1/3 frames) to give up for nothing.

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