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NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:52 am

I have noticed that Northwest Orient had a fleet of 10 Boeing 707-351Bs and half of them had
cargo doors like their 351Cs.What was up with that.Was Northwest the only airline that had the B series
with cargo doors? How can a 707-351B have a cargo door and not be a 351C?
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:19 am

There is some info here at the bottom of the page:

http://www.airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=72
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:48 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 1):

This post says that Air France ordered the 707-120. I had no idea.
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:28 am

I would bet that airplane was built fir the CRAF program and was never needed .. United had a few DC10's built with cargo doors that never opened unless the airplane was in for an overhaul.
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:34 am

What was interesting about them was that they still had an aisle and rows of passenger seats on the starboard side of the wall, so cargo capacity must have been very limited up top! I recall being on a Philippine 747-200 combi that had the same type of arrangement in the aft cabin.

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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:35 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 4):
What was interesting about them was that they still had an aisle and rows of passenger seats on the starboard side of the wall, so cargo capacity must have been very limited up top! I recall being on a Philippine 747-200 combi that had the same type of arrangement in the aft cabin.

Are you referring to the last post Tomss ?
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:44 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 5):

Are you referring to the last post Tomss ?

Was referring to the thread starter and the NW 320s with the side cargo door....
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:00 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 3):
I would bet that airplane was built fir the CRAF program and was never needed .. United had a few DC10's built with cargo doors that never opened unless the airplane was in for an overhaul.


Northwest's 1962 annual report says NW bought the aircraft in this configuration so it could have the cargo capacity of a DC-7F, and also carry 112 passengers. So, I'm sure the aircraft weren't just purchased for their CRAF capability.
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:09 pm

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 2):
This post says that Air France ordered the 707-120. I had no idea.

I never knew that either, but did they ever take delivery?
I don't recall AF ever operating 120's. Or did they???
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 1):

Great link!
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:44 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 3):
would bet that airplane was built fir the CRAF program and was never needed .. United had a few DC10's built with cargo doors that never opened unless the airplane was in for an overhaul.

Northwest flew them from the U.S. mainland to Tokyo (and beyond), as well as Hawaii. The First Class section of the airplane was divided longitudinally, with seats on the starboard (right) side of the airplane and a freight section on the left. Very weird. Some of them were flown in an all Y configuration - I flew HNL-ORD on one in August of 1967 and it was a very comfortable ride, because the load was very light, but the up-front freight area was strange.
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:43 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
How can a 707-351B have a cargo door and not be a 351C?

They lacked the heavier structure of the -351C.

The NW -351Bs with the cargo door also lacked the additional emergency exit just behind the wing on each side, which all -320Cs had.

-351B with cargo door:


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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 1):
There is some info here at the bottom of the page:

That is a fantastic article. Thank you so much for that link. I spent over an hour of fascinated reading, although I still don't remember a lot of it. Will go back to it in future for reference.
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:27 am

Quoting cathay747 (Reply 8):
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 2):
This post says that Air France ordered the 707-120. I had no idea.


I never knew that either, but did they ever take delivery?
I don't recall AF ever operating 120's. Or did they???

AF never ordered or operated the 707-120. This ebay postcard refers to 707-120 but it's clearly a 707-320.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Vintage...et-Aircraft-Postcard-/221670347459

The only original customers for the 707-120 were Pan Am, American, TWA, Continental, Cubana and the U.S. Air Force. The 2 Cubana aircraft couldn't be delivered due to the trade embargo which had just gone into effrect and were leased to Western Airlines for 2 years before being sold to Pan Am.

Can also consider QF's 707-138s as variants of the -120 as they were essentially the -120 with a 10-foot shorter fuselage to reduce weight and in increase range.
 
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:51 am

It's been a long, long, long, time, but I remember taking the NW 707-351B from Okinawa to Taipei and back as well as to TYO in 1969. It seemed to me that the cargo section was used for military mail as this was during the Vietnam Nam war and U.S military presence was very large in the Pacific at that time. I base this on seeing something very similar to a railroad mail sorter when the cargo door was open. I could be completely wrong since this was almost 50 years ago, but that is what it appeared to be.
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RE: NWA Boeing 707-351B With Cargo Doors

Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:23 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):

AF never ordered or operated the 707-120.

OK thanks. I thought I was losing my mind. I knew the
other customers, but the AF quote took me by surprise!
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