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CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:47 am

I live in Columbus Ohio and I wonder if JetBlue would ever reconsider restarting service
to CMH?
Would Spirit Airlines consider some routes to CMH? They have service to Cleveland.
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:39 am

I'd like to see one or both. Educated guessing here, using BOS/FLL as starting points for B6 as they've done recently and using CLE's rapid expansion as a comparison:

FLL- I feel like one of them might be able to make it work for both O&D and connections to the Caribbean/South America. Looking at it right now, WN runs one daily flight (which FlyColumbus says is seasonal; with FL, it was year-round), and the only connection which looks like it could be useful from FLL is SJU (if the times line up). G4 runs flights a couple days a week from LCK, but there are no connections at the other end.

BOS- Currently has DL on it (3x ERJ daily) with WN starting next month. I wonder if WN starting CMH-BOS might have been at least partially aimed as a deterrent for anybody else looking to get into the market, even with DL long having service there. That said, B6 and NK do battle now on CLE-BOS, with UA thrown in the ring for good measure.

JFK- I'd be interested to see if B6 would take another shot. DL was on the route the last time B6 did it running CRJs/ERJs, and nothing's changed there. I can't remember if AA was running CMH-JFK in 2006-08 or if they added it later.

MCO- Could be fun if either one wanted to take on WN and DL's Saturday-only service. Both already go head-to-head with WN from MCO with on a number of North-South routes right now. G4 serves the market through LCK-SFB, but again, it's a little more "obscure".

I'm not familiar with how B6's codeshares work. Would there be enough of a market for connections to TATL flights from JFK or BOS?
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:47 pm

I'm local to CMH, would appreciate more service. While Spirit or JetBlue would be options, I'd prefer Virgin America but realize that's less likely.

I'd love non-stop service from CMH to SEA and SFO. I know WN is launching OAK this or next month, but in my travels, SFO is much more accessible.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2):
I'd love non-stop service from CMH to SEA and SFO. I know WN is launching OAK this or next month, but in my travels, SFO is much more accessible.

I'm surprised UA didn't give CMH-SFO a try given they run PIT/IND-SFO.

SEA's an interesting situation, too. AS has added a number of cities in the Midwest/"Heartland" (OMA, MCI, MKE, MSP, OKC, BNA, RDU). CMH could be an option, but I remember seeing the PDEW numbers being around or just under 100, which wouldn't fill a 73G. Still, if CRAA threw some money their way, they might be enticed. I could see DL trying it, too.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:10 pm

Honestly, I'm surprised UA hasn't started CMH-SFO either, however, most of their high yielding passengers could be routed through the other hubs of UA. Although, I still think they could easily make SFO work.

What about SEA-CMH at 4x a week during the winter months and 6x a week during the summer? I think it would be too long for an E175 flight so it would have to be a 73G or 738.

In thinking of NK, would they go to LCK instead of CMH? G4 is at LCK and that is historically where the lower cost carriers have always been.

If I were CMH, I would be more interested in working at getting LHR service or CDG service. Both the AA and DL products are very strong in CMH and I would think those would be more lucrative than trying for NK or B6 at the moment. As DeltaRules stated, WN is starting BOS 2x soon and FLL is also covered by WN at 1x. I would also try for more frequencies to the international markets of Caribbean Islands to drive more passengers through the gates.
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 4):
If I were CMH, I would be more interested in working at getting LHR service or CDG service. Both the AA and DL products are very strong in CMH and I would think those would be more lucrative than trying for NK or B6 at the moment. As DeltaRules stated, WN is starting BOS 2x soon and FLL is also covered by WN at 1x. I would also try for more frequencies to the international markets of Caribbean Islands to drive more passengers through the gates.

Cheers to that one. If the 757 had the legs to do it, I'm pretty sure DL would have tried it.

I feel the 787 is just too big for the market (separate discussion about BA, but I don't see it likely and since its been cold I take it not going happen), and DL doesn't have it. DL has a loyal base in Columbus, WN has a lot as well but can't play the TATL game. So if DL had 787's or CMH-CDG/AMS was in range, they'd try it.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:03 pm

As for SEA, I'd be game with the 4x weekly, that would work. Whomever it would operate would need some connection options from Seattle, so markets in Washington, Idaho, NW Canada, Alaska, Oregon, etc. and even onward to Asia. That would make an interesting case for DL. DL have the CMH-LAX route (as do AA) but some times that flight is woefully low on the loads.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:08 pm

Have you considered Skybus?      
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:11 pm

Everyone here seems to forget that WN is launching OAK in October. As one who travels LAX-CMH a lot, people connect from the Delta flight up to northern California all the time. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:23 am

NK to LCK would be an interesting idea, but other than Latrobe, do they operate into any secondary airports? It'd be interesting to see NK and G4 at LCK together, though. It really is a nice alternative to CMH, and G4 has gone gangbusters there, getting up to seven destinations in not even two years (SFB, PIE, PGD, FLL, MYR, SAV, MSY).

I know DL's 73G fleet is only ten-strong and the 738 might be too much capacity, but could DL make CMH-SEA work on an A319? Skybus did CMH-BLI on them.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 5):
If the 757 had the legs to do it, I'm pretty sure DL would have tried it.

DL ran 757s on CVG-AMS before it was yanked completely. Others have suggested here (many in the CMH/BA thread a year or so ago) that the 757 would make sense for CMH-LHR on AA if they did that.

I also read an archived FlyerTalk thread yesterday when searching B6 and CMH which said CRAA apparently tried to get NW to open a WorldClub on C and start CMH-AMS in 2007.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 7):
Have you considered Skybus?

I did hear rumors about People Express coming   
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:02 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):
NK to LCK would be an interesting idea, but other than Latrobe, do they operate into any secondary airports?
NK also uses ACY for Florida, while keeping PHL for West itineries (DFW, LAS, connections to OAK, etc). Although ATL and ORD are year-round from PHL and seasonal from ACY, and MYR is seasonal from PHL while year-round from ACY.

NK also uses IAG instead of BUF. I don't think Allegiant and Spirit directly compete with each other much, perhaps intentionally, so I'd be surprised if NK went to LCK over CMH. Both Allegiant and Spirit are at IAG, but Spirit only offers FLL flights, while Allegiant offers all the other Florida destinations except FLL. The two are symbiotically there. In LCK, Allegiant offers the major Florida market destinations already so Spirit there would be a direct challenge, unless Spirit did something strange like offer LCK-BOS, and maybe LCK-LAS, without any Florida bound flights. Spirit did go into MCI without any Florida bound flights, so the idea of it opening a station somewhat in the eastern half of the country w/o Florida flights is possible.

[Edited 2015-07-13 20:12:24]
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:44 am

It wouldn't shock me to see B6 return to CMH by way of BOS and FLL. In my own personal opinion, they should've been in CVG a long time ago and capitalized on the DL pulldown, but I digress.

WN may have BOS and FLL covered from CMH, but B6 clearly has WN in their crosshairs as of late. BOS-BNA, FLL-BNA, BWI-MCO, BWI-FLL, PIT-FLL, etc etc. The return to BNA going head to head with WN right out of the gate, to me, is a pretty clear sign that they're not f*$#ing around when it comes to marking their territory in BOS and FLL.

CMH would not surprise me at this point. Nor would IND, STL, or even MCI.
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:11 am

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
I wonder if JetBlue would ever reconsider restarting service
to CMH?

No.

If there was any proof-positive of this, it was when B6 announced they would resume service to BNA. I could, however, definitely see B6 in CVG within the end of the year.

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
Would Spirit Airlines consider some routes to CMH?

No.

Spirit's M.O. as of late has been tapping into larger markets like MCI, CLE, and ATL and connecting them with each other and/or larger markets such as DFW, IAH, and PHX as well as some Florida cities. There isn't enough traffic generated out of CMH to sustain service to these cities on top of the already existing service.

I'm afraid CMH is stuck with what they've got for the time being: the US3, WN, and AC. I honestly can't see NK, F9, or B6 making CMH work lest making the attempt. The case could be made for AS to SEA, however lower hanging fruit exists and with approx. 94 PPDEW according to the latest numbers, it probably won't happen any time soon.
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:04 am

I don't know if there was any credence to it, but somebody in one of the Ohio threads had "insider info" saying CMH, MSP, and STL were a matter of time. I'd be interested to hear more on that.

Thinking about it, I feel like B6 might have the superior product against anybody else on any of the routes they might try. DL runs 50-seaters to BOS and JFK most of the time (though you'll sometimes see a CR9/E75 on BOS) and an E170/175 to MCO which wouldn't be doing anything on Saturday anyway. AA runs 145s to JFK. The "casual traveler" might not know about G4, though they seem to be doing really well from LCK. WN has its stigmas.

Also, what does PDEW data look like for CMH-FLL?
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:49 am

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 12):
WN may have BOS and FLL covered from CMH, but B6 clearly has WN in their crosshairs as of late. BOS-BNA, FLL-BNA, BWI-MCO, BWI-FLL, PIT-FLL, etc etc. The return to BNA going head to head with WN right out of the gate, to me, is a pretty clear sign that they're not f*$#ing around when it comes to marking their territory in BOS and FLL.

It is clear that B6 is doing whatever it takes to defend BOS and FLL (with WN the primary intruder, NK a close second, and VX third), but I think there are lower hanging fruit than CMH. BNA has a certain tourist/leisure allure that CMH doesn't have, and there is no DL factor on BOS-BNA as there is on BOS-CMH. I think CVG, MSP, and STL may be higher on the list, as they are all monopolies for DL or WN (to my knowledge), and B6 can rely on BOS point-of-sale to fill up its flights.

Then again, given the apparent success of CLE, CMH may not be too far off.
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:43 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 15):
I think CVG, MSP, and STL may be higher on the list, as they are all monopolies for DL or WN (to my knowledge), and B6 can rely on BOS point-of-sale to fill up its flights.

I think the more B6 waits on adding ATL, the more disadvantaged it is when it is ready to add it. I think ATL-FLL shouldn't be hard, but BOS-ATL might be not getting any easier. NK added the route. WN might be building a O&D base on it as well.
 
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):
DL ran 757s on CVG-AMS before it was yanked completely.

Are you positive on this? I'm almost certain it was a 763.... I have all the timetables at home and will look it up as I"m curious now...

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 9):
I also read an archived FlyerTalk thread yesterday when searching B6 and CMH which said CRAA apparently tried to get NW to open a WorldClub on C and start CMH-AMS in 2007.

Well there is space on upper level of C where "Mulligan's" used to be there is a construction office there now. I'd love to see DL get a SkyClub there (much like what RDU/IND/MKE have....). I believe CMH is the only focus city that doesn't have a SkyClub. But DL doesn't used the focus city term anymore, so it may be moot.
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RE: CMH-JetBlue Or Spirit

Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:16 am

CMH-AMS is 3,500nm according to the Great Circle Mapper, which would put CVG at just over 3,600. Wingletted 757 range is said to be 4,100.
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