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Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): The main points I take from the article are: 1) The A380 in the SIA fleet might not be the most ideal aircraft. |
Quoting Prost (Reply 1): This may also be a gentle nudge to Airbus that the current A380 won't fit in their future fleet needs, but perhaps a NEO might. |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): SIA have a need for ULH aircraft to meet market demands in the USA and Europe. |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): The 777-300ER is "currently" a great plane in the SIA fleet. |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): SIA have ordered 70 A350's. |
Quote: “Our experience with the A380 is generally good, but we would like it to be better. We have five more A380s coming from 2017 onwards, and plan to make the aircraft configurations and so forth even more efficient, which would be a great help to us.” |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): The main points I take from the article are: 1) The A380 in the SIA fleet might not be the most ideal aircraft. |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): The A380 in the SIA fleet might not be the most ideal aircraft. |
Quote: “Our experience with the A380 is generally good, but we would like it to be better. We have five more A380s coming from 2017 onwards, and plan to make the aircraft configurations and so forth even more efficient, which would be a great help to us.” |
Quote: He says SIA would like Airbus to squeeze more fuel efficiency from the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines of its five incoming A380s, perhaps in the range of 1-3%. “They are working to see how much more they can achieve in terms of efficiency.” |
Quoting dennys (Reply 7): The 747-800 should have been The right plane for range and capacity. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8): Sounds as if the A380 will be replaced by smaller planes like an A350-1000 or a 777-9. IF SIA does ditch their older A380 and only keep a few for LHR they will need a plane in the next biggest class, the 777-9 is that plane. 747-8 could be too but doubtful SIA would order them. The A380 may just be too big for even SIA. |
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9): Quoting travelhound (Thread starter):The A380 in the SIA fleet might not be the most ideal aircraft. Except that's not what he said. The CEO stated: Quote:“Our experience with the A380 is generally good, but we would like it to be better. We have five more A380s coming from 2017 onwards, and plan to make the aircraft configurations and so forth even more efficient, which would be a great help to us.” And: Quote:He says SIA would like Airbus to squeeze more fuel efficiency from the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines of its five incoming A380s, perhaps in the range of 1-3%. “They are working to see how much more they can achieve in terms of efficiency.” All he wants is a bit more fuel efficiency. Airlines ask for aircraft improvements all the time. |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): In another Flightglobal article SIA's CEO casts doubt about the A380 in its fleet stating it "would like it to be better". I know this another provocative A380 thread, but can we please discuss the topic raised by the article. |
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 2): All he said is that he want's Airbus to try and reduce fuel consumption by 1-3% on the remaining 5 aircraft they are due to take delivery of. |
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5): And they are looking at the 777X and A350-1000 as potential replacement. Personally, I believe the A350-1000 has the edge, SQ has conversion rights on the A359s on order and also options for more A350s. |
Quoting sassiciai (Reply 14): it's not much of a surprise to read this twist on facts, where you have somehow turned good actual comments into mythical negative ones. |
Quoting airzim (Reply 13): "Generally good" to me sound like the A380 might not make the cut. |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 15): Well, he also says that their first five A380s, which are on lease from Doric, could be released. |
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5): It seems they're not ready to jump on-board an A380neo yet |
Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5): Personally, I believe the A350-1000 has the edge, SQ has conversion rights on the A359s on order and also options for more A350s. |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 15): I'm not sure I agree with you about the A350-1000 having the edge -- primarily because the 777-8X is planned to have longer range and Goh does express an interest in restarting non-stop service to the continental U.S. |
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17): It has always been my understanding that the remaining 5 A380's on order will replace the first 5 A380's in the current fleet. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19): Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5): It seems they're not ready to jump on-board an A380neo yet I get that impression too. I was thinking they would be a launch customer with EK. |
Quoting GavinSharp (Reply 22): ...he is less enthusiastic about the A380 as currently configured/performing than the 77W |
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23): I also thought that the B787-10 was going to Scoot and not mainline SQ. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19): Certainly the comments about the A380: "“Our experience with the A380 is generally good, but we would like it to be better. "....are considered less positive? |
Quoting EC99 (Reply 18): After reading the article, I noticed that the more controversial lines are not quotes from the CEO but rather statements by the journalist. Examples include “The chief executive is somewhat less positive about the other mainstay of SIA’s long-haul fleet, the A380” and “Goh hints that SIA could pare back its A380 fleet if the retrofit does not take place.” |
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 2): All he said is that he want's Airbus to try and reduce fuel consumption by 1-3% on the remaining 5 aircraft they are due to take delivery of. And why wouldn't he. Fuel is their biggest cost, so of course he is going to want that bill reduced as much as possible. |
Quoting nighthawk (Reply 2): I think you are putting words in his mouth here. |
Quote: “The 777-300ER is a great aircraft at this point of time,” he says. “The 777X is not looking at delivery until early 2020-2021, which is still some way off. But for now the 777-300ER is great equipment for us to do long-haul.” He adds that both the 777X and the A350-1000 are candidates for SIA’s eventual replacement of its -300ERs. A380 experience The chief executive is somewhat less positive about the other mainstay of SIA’s long-haul fleet, the A380. “Our experience with the A380 is generally good, but we would like it to be better. We have five more A380s coming from 2017 onwards, and plan |
Quoting airzim (Reply 13): CEOs, as a general rule, are cheerleaders and very rarely give anything less than unadulterated praise for the products, services, etc., that constitutes their company. You never want to publically make statements that sound like you or your company made the wrong decision on something. A statement like "generally good" is a very negative endorsement in executive speak. |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 15): Well, he also says that their first five A380s, which are on lease from Doric, could be released. So I think there's a bit of quiet pressure on Airbus to make the improvements available for retrofitting to the older aircraft -- rather than having five difficult-to-lease A380s sitting in a desert somewhere. This is meaningful, IMO, as it would impact lessor confidence in the type and potentially bump up lease rates on new aircraft if it appears that residual value after twelve years would be impaired. |
Quoting IslandRob (Reply 30): But, to be fair, the most positive statement regarding the A380 ("the A380 is very popular with passengers") also came from the journalist, and not from the CEO |
Quoting GavinSharp (Reply 32): That kind of editing is needed to make a sensible article that's more concise than a transcript. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 24): And yet SQ management has also stated in the past how the economics of the A380 are superior to the 777-300ER on the routes where SQ have operated both types of equipment. |
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 27): Just sounds like another anti-Airbus article by Flightglobal. Probably one of the most biased aviation publications out there. |
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35): Keep in mind the SIA groups business model is changing. |
Quote: “If you look back five to seven years, you already see the emergence of competition on the full-service side, including the Gulf carriers, and also the LCC segment,” says Goh. “When we looked at these developments, it became clear that this was not just an evolution of traffic, but a structural change in the industry... It was clear that we would need to look at how we responded to those new challenges.” |
Quoting GavinSharp (Reply 40): Quoting IslandRob (Reply 39): Is he referring to aircraft already in the SQ fleet, or future deliveries? Regards. -ir He's referring to the first five A380s SQ received, those already in the fleet. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26): Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23): I also thought that the B787-10 was going to Scoot and not mainline SQ. They physically transferred the 787 orders over to Scoot but SIA still holds the orders for the 787-10. There is not much incentive for them to transfer them before they have to though so it could just be a matter of time. |
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 27): Just sounds like another anti-Airbus article by Flightglobal. Probably one of the most biased aviation publications out there. |
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42): I will respectfully disagree with you however on SQ not transferring them to Scoot. |
Quoting BaconButty (Reply 28): Well, if you restrict to direct citations, what he specifically says could be better is SIA's cabin utilization could be better. Or at least that's what I assume he means by "Aircraft configurations" and "Changed Densities". |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 24): And yet SQ management has also stated in the past how the economics of the A380 are superior to the 777-300ER on the routes where SQ have operated both types of equipment. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8): Sounds as if the A380 will be replaced by smaller planes like an A350-1000 or a 777-9. |
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 8): 47-8 could be too but doubtful SIA would order them. |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 15): I'm not sure I agree with you about the A350-1000 having the edge -- primarily because the 777-8X is planned to have longer range and Goh does express an interest in restarting non-stop service to the continental U.S. |
Quoting airzim (Reply 13): I guess the real question is given hindsight, would they still have ordered the aircraft? "Generally good" to me sound like the A380 might not make the cut. |
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10): Shortly after Lufthansa placed their order for 20, at the time CEO Chew Choon Seng explicitly dismissed the 747-8 as an option for SQ, stating "I think that aircraft is based fundamentally on an airframe that is already 37 years old". |
Quoting travelhound (Thread starter): 1) The A380 in the SIA fleet might not be the most ideal aircraft. |
Quoting warren747sp (Reply 48): Everybody in Asia knows that the main reason SIA is no longer profitable is because they fly the A380. The are not the ME3 and will never be able to compete with them given that it is no on anything near a even footing. Bigger is better will no longer works for SIA ever again.!1 |