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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting EK413 (Thread starter):
* QF having a terrible run with their A380's, resulting QF7 SYD-DFW 6th of July being delayed 7 and half hours due to a mechanical issue

Out of curiosity, do we have any idea what caused the delay other than a 'mechanical issue'? It made for a long trip back home for my brother (WLG-AKL-MEL, overnight then MEL-SYD-DFW) and Qantas didn't tell him anything.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 96):
I'm wondering what they'll do with SYD eventually.

IMO they will drop First altogether -- it is irrelevant in the regional market and TG's connections through BKK to Europe are dire to/from SYD so they just can't compete with the strength of QF/EK, EY and SQ in that market.

From a strategic perspective, I do wonder whether TG would be better off focusing their efforts on serving SYD-BKK/Asia rather than actively going after European traffic. That would involve dropping to a single daily flight, initially with the 744 but moving to a 77W (or whatever else they end up getting in that size bracket) within a couple of years.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 101):
From a strategic perspective, I do wonder whether TG would be better off focusing their efforts on serving SYD-BKK/Asia rather than actively going after European traffic. That would involve dropping to a single daily flight, initially with the 744 but moving to a 77W (or whatever else they end up getting in that size bracket) within a couple of years.

Top marks to TG for tenacity but I completely agree, they're just not up there with other products in the Oceania - Europe segment.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:05 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 95):
The reason being??? LAX & FCO got chopped before time for the fourth quarter route review.

This is one thing I cannot share publicly... rest assured my contact is very reliable, so when they say its not going I believe them.

Sorry if it sounds snobby or something like that, just can't share exact reasons why at this stage  

As for the 747s, Once they are gone I think F will be dropped except on the A380. Perhaps the A380 will visit SYD, who knows  

I could see in the future:

BNE/PER 787x Daily
SYD 380 x Daily 77W x 5/7 weekly
MEL 77W/772 x Daily and 4 x weekly on 777/772

With the A350s coming online they may also be configured with a decent galley allowing them to take up some AU frequencies and perhaps AKL.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:29 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 91):
I am curios to see if/ or will SQ and TG have seen any positive effect of MH, GA and EY pulling out of the SE Asia to BNE market.

SQ has likely benefited the most, and JQ to a lesser extent to DPS. TG are probably getting a few more HKT-bound pax who would have flown MH.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 96):
If TG wanted to move the 747s on and keep F for SYD

It's unlikely TG do well on F to SYD. Only SQ, CZ & EK still offer F on Australia-Asia services. SQ & EK are aiming F at pax travelling to Europe, but I doubt TG has much of this market left.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 101):
IMO they will drop First altogether -- it is irrelevant in the regional market and TG's connections through BKK to Europe are dire to/from SYD so they just can't compete with the strength of QF/EK, EY and SQ in that market.

Agreed.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 101):
From a strategic perspective, I do wonder whether TG would be better off focusing their efforts on serving SYD-BKK/Asia rather than actively going after European traffic. That would involve dropping to a single daily flight, initially with the 744 but moving to a 77W (or whatever else they end up getting in that size bracket) within a couple of years.

That's their best chance for survival. With their 788 configuration being Y heavy, hopefully TG will choose more appropriate seat densities for their fleet moving forward. They're already down to 10x weekly on SYD-BKK, so they can easily lose the 3x weekly SYD-BKK with the awful 0350 arrival time.

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 102):
Top marks to TG for tenacity but I completely agree, they're just not up there with other products in the Oceania - Europe segment.

With their long overdue cut to the LAX route, maybe some rational behaviour is taking shape at TG. Next I would expect them to stop chasing Australia-Europe pax.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:19 pm

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 104):
With their long overdue cut to the LAX route, maybe some rational behaviour is taking shape at TG. Next I would expect them to stop chasing Australia-Europe pax.

It kinda feels like they have given up on the Kangaroo route a fair while ago. Connections are not the best, and often the prices are a little off... For flights to Asia, they are still pretty competitive. Still not a fan of the times for the BNE flights, but it must work for them. Mid-night out of BKK, is a stretch for business and leisure clients, even if connecting from HKT (unless you get a late checkout   ).

Oh how times have changed - I remember that TV show Getaway would always give TG a 'plug' after each Asian and European segment.      

Quoting thai77w (Reply 90):

Just curious, what are the galley issues with the A330s?  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:56 pm

There is not enough slorage and ovens to do 2 hot meals.

I agree about the Brisbane flight. I used to take it regularly but connections Intra Thai were bad, with most arriving at midnight. The return at 23.59 I didn't mind as I prefer leaving at night... I always booked an extra days accomodation and checked out "early". Now I don't have to worry about hotels when I travel there. I've found (as a star FF) the late SQ dep ex BNE is most favourable for me, however returning is less favourable so I've used EK ex SIN twice this year. I do miss Thai and I think if was a 11am dep ex BNE and around 9pm ex BKK that would work better.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 95):

Quoting thai77w (Reply 92):
One things for sure Thai won't be going anywhere, even if it's under "review"

The reason being??? LAX & FCO got chopped before time for the fourth quarter route review.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 91):
I am curios to see if/ or will SQ and TG have seen any positive effect of MH, GA and EY pulling out of the SE Asia to BNE market.

GA: SQ will benefit as they will get back all the JKT pax they lost.
EY: half their A330 pax were to SIN only on rock bottom fares... imagine EK will pick these up on their 02:45 flight, but fares won't sink to EY levels.
MH: considering they were charging Air Asia X fares ex KUL, that market will revert to Air Asia. BNE outbound I expect everything will be split via SIN (QF, EK, SQ).

I paid $310 recently ex SIN on EK to BNE (was available on QF flight too.) Since EY pulled out its hovered between $350-$450 o/w. Incidentally I could never get EY *that* cheap as I wanted to log them.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:54 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 107):
I paid $310 recently ex SIN on EK to BNE (was available on QF flight too.) Since EY pulled out its hovered between $350-$450 o/w. Incidentally I could never get EY *that* cheap as I wanted to log them.

You may have needed to check SIN-BNE return levels instead of one way... EY was always the lowest. Now the pressure is on the EY BNE sales team to fill the flight to AUH and beyond, hence the crazy Europe fares in low season.

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 105):
It kinda feels like they have given up on the Kangaroo route a fair while ago.

Yep... ex BNE I've only seen one attempt to sell Europe in the last 2 years and that was via Groupon... eek!!!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:13 am

eta unknown... I did ocassionally see return fares around $750 return. Having said that at times of my travel I managed to get SQ and EK at comparable rates, of course that's not to say they weren't cheaper at times, and I had travelled during many months of the year (jan,mar,apr-Jun,sep,nov).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sat Jul 25, 2015 9:51 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 106):
There is not enough slorage and ovens to do 2 hot meals.

That makes sense... TG have always been generous with their meals - Maybe they should do a "QF" and ditch the trays to make the A330 work on BNE....    LOL.


quote=thai77w,reply=106]I've found (as a star FF) the late SQ dep ex BNE is most favourable for me, however returning is less favourable so I've used EK ex SIN twice this year. I do miss Thai and I think if was a 11am dep ex BNE and around 9pm ex BKK that would work better. [/quote]

I should give SQ a go one of these days... Have gone back to QF for my last few BKK trips - QF's times in and out of BKK always work well for me.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:54 am

Quoting allrite (Reply 98):
According to this article Scoot still have one 772 in service until August.

I hope it's gone by then.

That would mean my flight in September would not be at risk of being operated by an old 772  
Quoting qf002 (Reply 101):
IMO they will drop First altogether -- it is irrelevant in the regional market and TG's connections through BKK to Europe are dire to/from SYD so they just can't compete with the strength of QF/EK, EY and SQ in that market.

If TGs F market into SYD is irrelevant, is there a particular reason they keep the 744s on the SYD route or does it just work out well and they don't really have any other type available + nowhere else to send the 744s to?

I'm just curious because apart from QF, TG is the only other 744 pax operator into SYD.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 101):
That would involve dropping to a single daily flight, initially with the 744 but moving to a 77W (or whatever else they end up getting in that size bracket) within a couple of years.
Quoting thai77w (Reply 103):
SYD 380 x Daily 77W x 5/7 weekly

Sounds good.

There are a variety of fleet mixes that could serve SYD if TG wanted to keep operating a double daily on some days.

The 77W and A380 are definitely options, as well as the 788 IMHO.

Nothing would surprise me - Just a daily A380. A daily A380 with a 788 on some days. A daily 77W with a 788 on some days. Or, just a daily 77W - I hope not  

I can't wait to see what TG's next move on the BKK-SYD route is...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:39 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 75):
Quoting truemanqld (Reply 73):
or not to mention all the planes circling SYD in the morning waiting for curfew to lift which then creates a backlog.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 74):
I ain't a fan too & live next to SYD. The EK414 DXB-SYD service would have to be the tightest service in their network due to the ridiculous curfew.

To me the single most ridiculous thing about the curfew is the morning arrivals peak. The Government isn't allowing the shoulder period to be used in full and, really, there is no reason why aircraft can't make their approach from the South over Kernel and the Ocean, at minimal power and land early morning. That would affect virtually no-one and allow for the morning peak to be spread from say 5am rather than having the quagmire that now exists after 7am at Customs.

Totally agree! I'm a local resident & I even support an ease on the curfew. It's a sad vibe around the house after 2300, like something's missing   The government should at least open up +30 mins at either end of the curfew 2330 to 0530 & have traffic directed over the bay to minimise noise impact.

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 78):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 74):
The arrival time of 6am is awful! Unless you plan to connect onto a domestic service it's too early with checkin at most hotels after 1400.

Looking at the schedule, all of JQ HNL flights arrive between 7:30-9:30am (mine was the additional 3rd frequency they put on over peak, hence the different time). It must work better for utilisation purposes for them.

Perhaps your right & seems to be the norm with LCC's.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 79):
They are due to depart in a few mins so I'm hoping the ash cloud stays away...

Glad the ash cloud didn't hang around this time around  
Quoting allrite (Reply 82):
Seems to me that Jetstar doesn't have too many (apart from DRW and a couple of others) flights at totally unreasonable times (between midnight and 6am). When we were looking at Scoot bookings around Asia a number of them were at around those periods. Interesting from an aircraft utilisation perspective, but perhaps impacted by Australian airport curfews. I agree that very early arrivals can be a pain, but I note how common they are to many destinations with Qantas (including LHR, NRT/HND, SYD).

Already factored in aircraft utilisation but I'm now curious if the early arrival times have an effect on airfare pricing?

Quoting qf789 (Reply 93):
VH-EBH has positioned from Singapore to Spain today to begin conversion to MRTT

http://www.flightradar24.com/QFA6017/6e33078

We had MRTT A330 A39-003 briefly pop into SYD today. Any idea why?

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 111):
If TGs F market into SYD is irrelevant, is there a particular reason they keep the 744s on the SYD route or does it just work out well and they don't really have any other type available + nowhere else to send the 744s to?

I believe this is due to the usual political influences at TG. I recall reading TG replaced A346's on BKK-SYD route to give the longer serving crew "easy" routes. This is probably far from the truth, I just remember reading this was the drive behind the B744's being utilised.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:56 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 111):
I'm just curious because apart from QF, TG is the only other 744 pax operator into SYD.

Hi mate,
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (Australian Aviation, the magazine perhaps, or AustBT.com.au???) that Thai specifically wanted to keep F into Sydney, and thus used the A340-600 and 747-400 in the last few years as a result. I am always surprised at how many people rave about Bangkok, and regularly travel there for short breaks. Maybe these passengers and the honeymoon set on the way to Phuket, Koh Samui etc produce some demand for Thai F?
I have flown Thai business class and found it to be excellent. Thai First I'm sure would be equally excellent.
I hope they keep the 747-400s running as long as possible into Sydney. My family (albeit without me) are booked to fly Thai in two months and the plane listed is a 747-400.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:51 pm

Bangkok is great value for a number of reasons:
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*Always good fares available
*Frequent flights
*Top rate hotels at giveaway prices
*Great food
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It all adds up to a great experience in my opinion.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:36 am

Quick questions - Just had a quick look at my Itinerary, and notice that I am on EK8432 from Dubai to Brisbane on the 24th of October. On the EK website, that flight number appears on the 23rd and 25th of October, and then goes back to EK432. Is this a code share or something? Itinerary details still say it's a EK 777 flying the service.

Anyone know why there is a flight number change?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:40 am

I've noticed that too and it appears to be completely random. I booked my last flight thru QF on EK but my e ticket had EK flight number not the code share. Previously it has shown the code share flight #.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:58 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 116):

If it has the EK code then it doesn't earn full frequent flyer credit (25% earn) and no status credits. You can ticket EK codes on 081 stock (and vice versa) and 99% of the time the price is identical whichever code you use. You could even ticket EK5052 (ie QF52) on 081 stock if you really wanted to, not that I can imagine any circumstance in which that makes sense. I hate to put it back on you, but you should have picked up on the EK code during the booking process and gone back and amended your flight selection if you are a Qantas Frequent Flyer member. If however you did select the QF code and it was ticketed with the EK code then that is a mistake and you should either contact Qantas (if booked direct) or your travel agent and try and have your ticket reissued. If you booked with Webjet good luck, my father had that exact thing happen (booked QF code but ticketed as EK) and we gave up fighting it as their call centre in India could not have been more useless if they tried.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:01 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 112):
I believe this is due to the usual political influences at TG. I recall reading TG replaced A346's on BKK-SYD route to give the longer serving crew "easy" routes. This is probably far from the truth, I just remember reading this was the drive behind the B744's being utilised.

Interesting thought  
Quoting bunumuring (Reply 113):
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere (Australian Aviation, the magazine perhaps, or AustBT.com.au???) that Thai specifically wanted to keep F into Sydney, and thus used the A340-600 and 747-400 in the last few years as a result.

That's what I read too.

The flights went from 744, to 346, then back to 744 because they all have F.

As much as I love the 747, I'd take a TG 346 any day over a TG 744 - It's a shame the TG 346s are goooooone!

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 113):
I hope they keep the 747-400s running as long as possible into Sydney. My family (albeit without me) are booked to fly Thai in two months and the plane listed is a 747-400.

Just 6 weeks to go for me!

I got an e-mail from TG some months ago with a link to their equipment schedule until October 24 and the 747-400 (TG code 744) is scheduled to operate into SYD until Oct 24 at least.

We can't rule out equipment swaps however, and now that the 346 is gone (2-4-2 in Y on a quad is awesome), the only other TG type I'd be happy with over a 744 is the A380 as it has an upper deck too  
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Bangkok is great value for a number of reasons:*Small time change from the East Coast of Australia*Always good fares available*Frequent flights*Top rate hotels at giveaway prices*Great food*fantastic shoppingIt all adds up to a great experience in my opinion.

I love Bangkok and Thailand in general.

The atmosphere is awesome!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:12 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 115):
Anyone know why there is a flight number change?

I can't tell you why, but for 23/10-25/10 EK432 will not stop at SIN and operates DXB-BNE. This is the reason for the different flight number. Emirates flight EK 8432: Dubai - Brisbane

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 117):
I hate to put it back on you, but you should have picked up on the EK code during the booking process and gone back and amended your flight selection if you are a Qantas Frequent Flyer member.

I've noticed that some OTAs are misleading when ticketing codeshares. So for the QF codeshare on EK413 (QF8413), some OTAs will show this as Emirates flight 8413 with a note "Operated by Emirates".
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:42 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 119):
I can't tell you why, but for 23/10-25/10 EK432 will not stop at SIN and operates DXB-BNE. This is the reason for the different flight number. Emirates flight EK 8432: Dubai - Brisbane

Can anyone answer why this is? The flight then departs BNE at 5am (normally 2:30am) back to DXB directly... very strange!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:21 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 119):
I can't tell you why, but for 23/10-25/10 EK432 will not stop at SIN and operates DXB-BNE. This is the reason for the different flight number. Emirates flight EK 8432: Dubai - Brisbane

Cool - Thanks buddy. I didn't even realise there was no stop in SIN... Just assumed there would be.  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:22 am

Maybe their loads from DXB-BNE have been fairly good for awhile and are testing whether to make it non-stop instead of stopping in SIN ?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:30 am

Quoting JakeNorton (Reply 122):
Maybe their loads from DXB-BNE have been fairly good for awhile and are testing whether to make it non-stop instead of stopping in SIN ?

Airlines don't usually test in such a way. Can't see that being the reason.

Would be interesting to see what the reason is though.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:55 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 117):
If it has the EK code then it doesn't earn full frequent flyer credit (25% earn) and no status credits. You can ticket EK codes on 081 stock (and vice versa) and 99% of the time the price is identical whichever code you use. You could even ticket EK5052 (ie QF52) on 081 stock if you really wanted to, not that I can imagine any circumstance in which that makes sense. I hate to put it back on you, but you should have picked up on the EK code during the booking process and gone back and amended your flight selection if you are a Qantas Frequent Flyer member. If however you did select the QF code and it was ticketed with the EK code then that is a mistake and you should either contact Qantas (if booked direct) or your travel agent and try and have your ticket reissued. If you booked with Webjet good luck, my father had that exact thing happen (booked QF code but ticketed as EK) and we gave up fighting it as their call centre in India could not have been more useless if they tried.

Hi mate,

I flew this sector last month. I'm not a QF or EK FF member, it was just the cheapest option on a last minute trip. I normally fly Star (Thai/SQ.)

Don't know why it was like that, but I didn't notice until I checked in online and it was fine. I queried the EK staff at SIN and they said its a glitch that happens sometimes?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:00 am

Writing this on board UA99 MEL-LAX flight on the 789.

Wifi on a pacific flight is just amazing. Who cares if the Y seats are only 17.3". I'd gladly give up that 0.7" and even the AVOD for working wifi.

It surprises me that United seems to be one of the few (or only?) airlines offering this.

The bird itself is beautiful and service has been acceptable. Looks like chaos at LAX though, so my flight has already been pushed back by 1:30 hours, which will mean I'll miss my SFO connection  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:05 am

Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 121):
Quoting AirNiugini (Reply 121):
Cool - Thanks buddy. I didn't even realise there was no stop in SIN... Just assumed there would be

Hope you're not in Y... 14hrs in 3-4-3 would be torture.  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:21 am

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 125):

Hopefully you discovered the power points as well? Not just some flimsy USB port but real power points! That is honestly one of my favorite things about United. It's great getting off a 14 hour flight and having of my devices, even laptop, fully charged.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:22 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 120):
Can anyone answer why this is? The flight then departs BNE at 5am (normally 2:30am) back to DXB directly... very strange!

I heard the other day that they were doing runway work again sometime this year for a few days and was going to be closed from 12-5am for a few days, I wonder if it could be over those dates.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 127):
Hopefully you discovered the power points as well? Not just some flimsy USB port but real power points! That is honestly one of my favorite things about United. It's great getting off a 14 hour flight and having of my devices, even laptop, fully charged.

QF's A380s and refurb 744s have AC outlets in Y too... do VA's 777s not offer these?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:59 am

Probably been asked many times before, but after seeing the AA schedule for SYD-LAX, I'm just wondering how come there are no late departures ex SYD to the US, i.e. dep SYD 2100 arr LAX 1750 ? It would suit those who prefer to have a full day in SYD, and it would be easier to get a proper nights sleep, as opposed to departing in the AM like most flights.
The arrival into LAX would still have a fairly good selection of connection possibilities after 7pm local.
Has there ever been a schedule along the lines of this?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:08 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 127):
Hopefully you discovered the power points as well?

Indeed I have. I wasn't too worried about that, my laptop generally gives 12+ hours of usage on battery, but hey, it's good to not have to look at the battery percentage going down!

9 hours into the flight, and the novelty of the wifi has not worn off. I actually have gotten so much done, sent important emails, etc. during this flight. Which will make my life so much easier tomorrow when I won't have to cram two days' work into one while being jetlagged.

It's interesting to note that the general consensus on a.net has always been that the big three USA airlines are all very pedestrian while the likes of NZ and QF are considered more premium (and are generally more expensive). Yet for me, I have gone from being a person who always chose tickets based on price and never really cared who I flew with to now being a UA convert, simply because of wifi. In fact from now on, unless/until other airlines introduce wifi to their fleet, I will go out of my way to fly United on trans pacific flights.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:27 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 128):
I heard the other day that they were doing runway work again sometime this year for a few days and was going to be closed from 12-5am for a few days, I wonder if it could be over those dates.

Think we have ourselves a winner here as CX156 (normally 0050 departure) is changed to a 2330 departure on these flights (as CX2156).

Surprised this wasn't covered already, unless I missed it:

Quoting http://australianaviation.com.au/2015/07/united-to-end-cairns-guam-route/:
United will end its twice weekly flight to Cairns in September as part of service reductions from the airline’s Guam hub.

The last service between Cairns and Guam, which are operated by Boeing 737s with flight numbers UA94 and UA95, will be on September 26 and 27, United said in a statement.

The Star Alliance member is also cancelling its daily Guam-Seoul Incheon flights from September 30.

“We have taken this decision because the services’ financial performance did not meet our expectations,” United said.

“We will contact customers with bookings for flights beyond those dates to either offer them alternate travel plans or provide refunds. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.”

The Cairns-Guam route, which according to the Airline Route website began in 1998 with Boeing 727 aircraft, was inherited from Continental Micronesia when United and Continental merged in 2010.

A 1991 Continental brochure showed the airline also previously served Brisbane and Sydney from its Guam hub.

United senior vice president of worldwide sales Dave Hilfman told Australian Aviation in a October 2014 interview the Cairns-Guam route carried mostly leisure passengers, with some military traffic.

“That tends to be a little more sensitive to the economic ups and downs be it in Guam or in Australia,” Hilfman said.

This was always one of the stranger services operated into Australia but is very sad to see it end!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 73):
JQ 5 to HNL was quite empty, probably 50% in Y. Flight back on JQ 6 was probably 98% full in Y - absolutely chokers! Had a mix of predominantly BKK & NRT based crews on both flights, with the odd MEL or BNE base as well (they announced it on both flights what crew bases were serving). Both flights were on time or ahead of schedule, though arriving in HNL at 6am was pointless when they had only 2 staff on immigration for the ~200 of us and the HA flight from PPT. Took an hour just in that queue for what should have taken 10mins. Oh well! Hawaii was great, first time there, loved the 717 inter-island flying!

Thanks for the information, good to hear you enjoyed Hawaii.

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 132):
Surprised this wasn't covered already, unless I missed it:

COSPN created a thread on 18 July 2015 dedicated to the cancellation of United's Cairns to Guam services from September 2015, you can view the thread here.

Quoting ei912 (Reply 130):
Probably been asked many times before, but after seeing the AA schedule for SYD-LAX, I'm just wondering how come there are no late departures ex SYD to the US, i.e. dep SYD 2100 arr LAX 1750 ? It would suit those who prefer to have a full day in SYD, and it would be easier to get a proper nights sleep, as opposed to departing in the AM like most flights.
The arrival into LAX would still have a fairly good selection of connection possibilities after 7pm local.
Has there ever been a schedule along the lines of this?


V Australia (now known as Virgin Australia) launched flights from Sydney to Los Angeles in December 2008 with 777-300ERs. These services launched with a 2145L departure ex-Sydney and a 1630L arrival into Los Angeles. I seem to recall that this flight moved to a late morning/early afternoon departure when the Delta partnership was launched.

V AUSTRALIA SYDNEY - LOS ANGELES LAUNCH SCHEDULE

Qantas currently offers a daily Sydney to Los Angeles service (QF17 - B747) that departs at 1825L however this service is being reduced to a thrice-weekly offering from early 2016. I am not sure if Qantas has previously operated a late night Sydney to Los Angeles service, but given the wealth of knowledge on this forum I am sure someone will advise if so.

[Edited 2015-07-27 03:21:34]

[Edited 2015-07-27 03:22:51]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 132):
This was always one of the stranger services operated into Australia but is very sad to see it end!
Quoting QF175 (Reply 133):
COSPN created a thread on 18 July 2015 dedicated to the cancellation of United's Cairns to Guam services from September 2015, you can view the thread here.

That's sad. CNS is the perfect airport for odd little routes. It's amazing to think how many flights it used to support.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting thai77w (Reply 124):

If you're not an FF then it is totally fine. As I said, EK and QF codes and ticket stick, but with all due respect to the checkin staff having the wrong code is more than a "glitch" or a misprint and can have very tangible differences in the backend. If those differences were important to you then you really should force them to reissue your ticket.

Quoting ei912 (Reply 130):

A big reason is that it is too late for connections to most places other than the West Coasr. If your destination is on the East Coast you arrive at 16:00 and then hand around until 23:00 to catch a redeye, which is far from ideal. QF17/18 with its 17:40 departure is as late as it gets, but in all honesty I find that one a bit pointless as it is realistically still too late to connect anywhere other than the West/Mountain-West but too early to do a full days work before heading to the airport.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:30 pm

I notice that VH-QPI has been in Brisbane maintenance since July 7th and hasn't yet come out. Is that the next one to receive the new A330 interior?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:23 am

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 125):
Writing this on board UA99 MEL-LAX flight on the 789. Wifi on a pacific flight is just amazing. Who cares if the Y seats are only 17.3". I'd gladly give up that 0.7" and even the AVOD for working wifi. It surprises me that United seems to be one of the few (or only?) airlines offering this. The bird itself is beautiful and service has been acceptable.

Good to read about another positive experience on UA!

Based on what a few members in here have said about recent UA TPac flights it seems that UA's International service is improving which is great  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:59 am

MU has said it will launch BNE-PVG flights if their partnership with QF is approved.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-easter...dges-new-brisbane-shanghai-flights
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:23 am

Quoting JakeNorton (Reply 122):

EK is sophisticated enough to be able to model a change like that and not need to fly a 'test' route for three days.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 137):

United have made some massive strides forward, and it is really great to see. When I flew them six months ago I was pretty impressed, but flying them again last week they have really stepped up again.

I only had one quibble: the catering ex-SYD wasn't upgraded to the new meal concept that came in last month. Flying SYD-LAX I had the exact same meal for both lunch and breakfast as I did going to SFO last November. Not only had the meals not been upgraded, they hadn't even changed the menu options. I was a little dissapointed, but didn't think much about it until the flight home. The catering ex-LAX was fantastic, really delicious, and a massive step up. They definitely need to get the new catering to the out stations pronto.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:34 am

VA announces $93.8 million loss for 2014/2015.

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...posts-93-8mln-net-loss-for-201415/

QF will announce their results on 20th of August
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:41 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 140):
I only had one quibble: the catering ex-SYD wasn't upgraded to the new meal concept that came in last month. Flying SYD-LAX I had the exact same meal for both lunch and breakfast

The catering on MEL-LAX wasn't the best either. The food was ok, it was just not enough for a 14 hour flight (15.5 hours on the other way). Perhaps it was my mistake, I should have had breakfast before the flight, but I didn't, and then I was left with two meals for basically a day and a half. Sure I could have bought more food, but anyway.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:54 am

UA damaged their reputation with quite a few pax over the years in Australia with an outdated and quite sub-par offering.

Flying the tired 744's for so long without PTV made them the cheap fare/ low-yielding option.

They have stepping up their game bringing the 77E's into this market and also the introduction of the new 789's onto the new non-stop MEL-LAX flight. It is a quantum leap forward really in terms of their product, but in a market that is as competitive as Australia-US flights are these days it was step they had to take.

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 142):
The catering on MEL-LAX wasn't the best either. The food was ok, it was just not enough for a 14 hour flight (15.5 hours on the other way). Perhaps it was my mistake, I should have had breakfast before the flight, but I didn't, and then I was left with two meals for basically a day and a half. Sure I could have bought more food, but anyway.

I definitely found UA's catering to be less than amazing 2 years ago, having flown 5 sectors with them.

[Edited 2015-07-28 19:55:04]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:07 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 135):
QF17/18 with its 17:40 departure is as late as it gets, but in all honesty I find that one a bit pointless as it is realistically still too late to connect anywhere other than the West/Mountain-West but too early to do a full days work before heading to the airport.

I think it would make a lot of sense to push QF17 an hour later (or possibly even a bit more), especially once SFO and YVR both have their own year-round service which will take the pressure off LAX as a west coast connection point.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 141):
VA announces $93.8 million loss for 2014/2015.

Dare I suggest that it's time for a change in leadership?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:10 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 143):
UA damaged their reputation with quite a few pax over the years in Australia with an outdated and quite sub-par offering.

Indeed. Just before the flight, a friend asked me who I am flying with. When I said United, they replied with, "yes I understand, it's cheap". When I told them that actually I'm flying them mostly because I want to try the 789 and also that I have heard good things about their new product, they were quite surprised.

Using the old 744s with no PTV in this market was a mistake. It will take a long time for them to regain some of that reputation. Which is a pity really as the product right now is quite good.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:12 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 140):
United have made some massive strides forward, and it is really great to see. When I flew them six months ago I was pretty impressed, but flying them again last week they have really stepped up again.

Have you noticed any difference between SYD-LAX & MEL-LAX? IIRC MEL-LAX is sCO crew, SYD-LAX is sUA crew.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 143):
Flying the tired 744's for so long without PTV made them the cheap fare/ low-yielding option.

I guess the larger F/J cabins kept the 744s on the route for so long. Interesting that the Y+ cabin on the 77E is far larger than the 744.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:03 am

Quoting bwwt (Reply 138):
MU has said it will launch BNE-PVG flights if their partnership with QF is approved.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/china-easter...dges-new-brisbane-shanghai-flights

Hardly surprising but great to see. ACCC really can't turn this deal down...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:24 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 146):
I guess the larger F/J cabins kept the 744s on the route for so long. Interesting that the Y+ cabin on the 77E is far larger than the 744.

The F/J cabins must have held some real value for them, but once the SYD and MEL routes were split, it certainly makes sense to go with the current capacity offering.

The Y+ offering on UA is quite average really, as it really is an economy service and seat with a few extra inches of legroom that was hardly noticeable.

Quoting truemanqld (Reply 147):
Hardly surprising but great to see. ACCC really can't turn this deal down...

It isn't surprising, but will be interesting to see what kind of year round frequency they are looking at for BNE.

What is most interesting though is that they seem to be talking about this JV being the catalyst for 2 x daily flights into MEL on a seasonal basis, when they have already done this previously. It does not appear to be something that is truly dependent on this decision, but is likely a good way of twisting the narrative as a value add for it to be approved.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 125

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:12 am

There was a thread yesterday about BA flying the A380 to AKL. I think the thread was closed because the article it was based on was a total load of ________.

But, if BA were to visit our kiwi friends, I would suspect it to be through a tag on their SYD flight, just like EK.

Do BA have rights to carry trans-tasman traffic? And I know the SYD-AKL market is jam-packed but regardless, what are the odds of such a flight occurring?

Quoting qf002 (Reply 144):
Quoting qf789 (Reply 141):
VA announces $93.8 million loss for 2014/2015.

Dare I suggest that it's time for a change in leadership?

This is a bad, bad loss. If Qantas post a nice profit as expected Borghetti's days are numbered.

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