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BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:23 am

Anyone have inside info as to why BA have cancelled the LGW - LAS flight today ?
With VS full as is the LHR - LAS flight, I'd imagine there are lots of unhappy people at LGW right now. And at LAS later on.
Why could BA not bring down a spare 777 from LHR to operate this flight ?
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:42 am

Looks like lasts nights flight from BDA has been delayed so that was most probably the aircraft that was ment to go to LAS
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:05 am

If they had a spare B777 at LHR they might of done but they don't as the B787 fleet is playing up again with one AOG overseas.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:31 am

Quote:
Anyone have inside info as to why BA have cancelled the LGW - LAS flight today ?

IIW is currently tech awaiting spares in BDA, this aircraft was meant to be operating one of the LGW longhaul's today. The inbound MCO is nearly 4 hours late so today's A/C allocations have been swapped around and the LAS was chosen to be cancelled.

IIV which is normally LGW based is still in STN undergoing repair, MMH is having maintenance at LHR 19th–22nd and MMP is AOG at LHR.

Hence no spare 777's to be sent to LGW, unfortunately.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:35 am

It's usually the second Orlando (BA2039) that gets sacrificed, but with the start of the school holidays, LAS makes the most sense. Passengers can easily be accommodated on other BA/AA services to LAS.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:28 am

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 4):

IIV which is normally LGW based is still in STN undergoing repair

Isn't IIV at CBG ?
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:53 am

Quoting Lofty (Reply 3):
If they had a spare B777 at LHR they might of done but they don't as the B787 fleet is playing up again with one AOG overseas.

Also the 767 LH fleet is having issues as well.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:02 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6):

No, that was last month. G-YMMF flew in on the 17th and I would hazard a guess it's due to fly back to LHR tomorrow around 3.30pm. I often see the 777 and 787 flying in and out of CBG. We also had Cityflyer here this weekend with the E175 on training.

[Edited 2015-07-20 05:03:30]
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:23 pm

Quoting Btblue (Reply 8):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6):

BA source has IIV as flying into CBG on 28/6 and no record since. it doesn't show up recently on FR24 either.

I know it would be unusual these days for any BA plane to remain at CBG for more than a week, indeed until a few months back it would have been unusual to see any at all, unlike the late 90's when there were loads of them.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:31 pm

I was always curious about "spare" planes.
How long is one airplane unit programmed to work for in a shift? That is to say, for random e.g. G-YMMD, a B777
outside of things that go wrong, how far in advance can the planners say where that plane will
be and when?
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:53 pm

Given the problems BA are having with fleet perhaps Titan Airways wished they had a B777 on their fleet.  
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:57 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 11):
perhaps Titan Airways wished they had a B777 on their fleet

I imagine Privilege Style wish they had this available:

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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:41 pm

And now MMR at LGW is tech so a 24 hour delay on the CUN.  Wow!
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:08 pm

What's the Euro Atlantic 777 doing these days ?

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 11):
Given the problems BA are having with fleet perhaps Titan Airways wished they had a B777 on their fleet.

I really think they should have a couple - they'd be in high demand surely not only bailing out BA but VS and TCX too from time to time, plus they could do RAF work ex BZZ to Falklands etc, and other big-group charters.
Titan should give SQ a call for a couple of decent 772's.

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 13):
And now MMR at LGW is tech so a 24 hour delay on the CUN.

Right at the start of the school holiday season - nice...NOT ! No doubt that will snowball delay the rest of the week.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:11 pm

Not a problem with LAS by any chance as TCX had there first flight today from STN and I can not confirm it has departed
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:37 pm

The aircraft scheduled to operate the LAS is tech in BDA and no standby aircraft is available. The BA2203 LGW-CUN is night stopping in LGW as well as that 777 has had issues too.

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 15):
Not a problem with LAS by any chance as TCX had there first flight today from STN and I can not confirm it has departed
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:04 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
BA source has IIV as flying into CBG on 28/6 and no record since. it doesn't show up recently on FR24 either.

Definitely STN.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:57 pm

I would love to be a Fly on the Wall in the planning dept, that must be a really interesting job.  
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:35 pm

What maintenance facilities are there at STN that can handle a 777
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:44 pm

You have to remember that there also has to be a spare crew. LGW-LAS would need 3 Pilots and a set of Cabin Crew. Once the original crew have reported if the aircraft is then tech they will go out of hours pretty quickly. Your then into finding the standby crew. In these situ's the easy option is to cancel unlike the Charter Airlines who will soldier on until they can get the punters to destination. BA are also fortunate that they can plonk the punters on other flights e.g. LHR-JFK-LAS.
These things happen daily and are unfortunate but overall BA on time perf is very good from what i see
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 16):
The aircraft scheduled to operate the LAS is tech in BDA and no standby aircraft is available.

So they're using a Hi Fly, former Flynas A330-200. Hopefully the interiors are nice, i.e. there are PTVs, etc. Also the flight ended up leaving 2+ hours late.

Not a great way to start a new route.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 21):
So they're using a Hi Fly, former Flynas A330-200

Nice for our LAS spotter friends, if any are out there waiting for it in the heat !

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 18):
I would love to be a Fly on the Wall in the planning dept

It'll be at times like this that those in there will earn their money, what with the reported 767 / 787 issues as well.
Plus those at the front line at the BA counters would have had a tough day today.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 22):

It's not a bird that visits that part of the world often

I bet BA was crying for Titans 767 today but monarch got there first
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:35 pm

There are pretty big issues at the airline at the moment, far beyond the serviceability of the fleet. Daily its robbing peter to pay paul and its likely to go on for quite some time.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:27 am

Today's BDA is cancelled due to lack of A/C.  
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:07 am

Quoting anjin (Reply 20):
These things happen daily and are unfortunate but overall BA on time perf is very good from what i see

BA's on time performance is awful, a good chunk of that is down to operating from LHR, but typically BA on time performance is around 75% at UK airports (defined as operating within 15 minutes of the schedule). FR, U2, BE, LS, ZB, EI all usually do better than BA.
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:49 am

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 25):

BA are not doing very well past few days
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:00 am

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 26):
BA's on time performance is awful, a good chunk of that is down to operating from LHR, but typically BA on time performance is around 75% at UK airports (defined as operating within 15 minutes of the schedule). FR, U2, BE, LS, ZB, EI all usually do better than BA.

Where do you get this from ?

I've just done a quick search and found:

EI 83.2%
BE 86.3%
LS 82.0%
FR 80.7%
BA 77.1%
VS 76.8%
U2 75.0%

I can't see that justifies the tag "awful"

Of course it would be good to be higher, but operating a full service airline from LHR to major hubs is never going to be easy.

Just checked FR24 four BA planes on final approach to LHR all early !!!

One thing that is noticeable is that BA appears to put a lot of padding in the schedules, many flights leave late but arrive on time or early.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 28):
I can't see that justifies the tag "awful"

25% of pax don't get to where they want to be on time? - that's a pretty poor performance for a transport service provider.
British trains, about whom we all perpetually complain, achieve >91% on time (despite having tougher on-time criteria).

As an example, I was on a BA A321 EDI-LHR last night that arrived 1 hour 10 min late. Which meant I had to run to catch the last bus from Heathrow home. If I look back across my last 10 BA flights, I have 4 major delays (1 hour +) and a couple more just outwith the "schedule + 15 mins" criteria.

As I said "a good chunk of that is down to operating from LHR" but they also seem to have more than their fair share of last-minute maintenance issues or delays for seemingly trivial reasons.

Perhaps it's just me, but it seems rare that a BA flight goes to plan.
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:26 am

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 29):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 28):
I can't see that justifies the tag "awful"

25% of pax don't get to where they want to be on time? - that's a pretty poor performance for a transport service provider.
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 28):
I've just done a quick search and found:

EI 83.2%
BE 86.3%
LS 82.0%
FR 80.7%
BA 77.1%
VS 76.8%
U2 75.0%

It may be a poor performance compared to a train operator, but thats comparing apples and oranges.

As the figures show BA are a few % points worse than FR but a fraction better than VS and a few points better than U2
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:52 am

Shame they can't reactivate a couple of desert stored 744's to help maintain their busy summer schedules.
But I don't suppose they are stored in a ready service state, meaning peak-summer is over by the time they can be back at LHR. In any case, the first 789's and last two A380's will come late Sept / Oct, so I guess BA will just have to struggle on as they are now until then and hope no other incidents happen and no more planes have tech downtime.
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 29):
Perhaps it's just me, but it seems rare that a BA flight goes to plan.

Short haul in the afternoon is regularly utter carnage. Went to Aberdeen for four consecutive weeks in late April/early May, only one flight of eight arrived on time, and there were several two hour + delays.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 31):
Shame they can't reactivate a couple of desert stored 744's to help maintain their busy summer schedules.

It's not just the airframes - reading the BA pages on pprune, there is a massive flight crew problem as well.

Of course, they will go and announce record half year numbers, and Walsh and Williams won't give a ****.
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:32 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 32):
It's not just the airframes - reading the BA pages on pprune, there is a massive flight crew problem as well.

Of course, they will go and announce record half year numbers, and Walsh and Williams won't give a ****.

Huge issues, hence my post above referring to robbing peter to pay paul. Its so bad they are retraining on the 767 as they let too many go on other aircraft. This issue os far bigger than aircraft serviceability.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting Johnwaynebobbet (Reply 33):
Huge issues, hence my post above referring to robbing peter to pay paul. Its so bad they are retraining on the 767 as they let too many go on other aircraft. This issue os far bigger than aircraft serviceability.
Quoting steve6666 (Reply 32):
It's not just the airframes - reading the BA pages on pprune, there is a massive flight crew problem as well.

Very interested in this, are you able to offer a little more flesh on the bones?
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:39 pm

stinks but i agree a pretty easy route to put people on AA flights to LAS. ORD, JFK, DFW, CLT, PHL. It does stink but probably pretty minimal delays and on a monday AA should have seats to Vegas they can put people on
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:35 am

And the Titan 767 has arrived to help out BA today
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:49 am

With a other Titan heading for LGW
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:09 am

Quoting anjin (Reply 20):
but overall BA on time perf is very good from what i see
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 28):
've just done a quick search and found:

EI 83.2%
BE 86.3%
LS 82.0%
FR 80.7%
BA 77.1%
VS 76.8%
U2 75.0%

The full data for Jan-March 2015 put BA at 27th of all airlines operating to/from the UK:

1. BA CityFlyer
2. Finnair
3. Aer Lingus
4. bmi Regional
5. Scandinavian SAS
6. Iberia
7. Air France
8. Virgin Atlantic
9. Lufthansa
10. Monarch
11. Alitalia
12. Brussels Airlines
13. KLM
14. easyJet
15. CityJet
16. flybe
17. Qatar Airways
18. Eastern Airways
19. Aer Lingus Regional
20. Ryanair
21. Germanwings
22. Aurigny
23. Swiss Airlines
24. TAP Air Portugal
25. Delta Air Lines
26. Wizz Air
27. British Airways

And full year 2014 at just LHR:

1 KLM
2 Aeroflot
3 Air Malta
4 Air France
5 Scandinavian SAS
6 Iberia
7 Finnair
8 Aer Lingus
9 Virgin Atlantic Airways
10 Austrian Airlines
11 Lufthansa
12 Vueling Airlines
13 Delta Air Lines
14 Saudi Arabian Airlines
15 Aegean Airlines
16 Swiss Airlines
17 Alitalia
18 Gulf Air
19 Brussels Airlines
20 Jet Airways
21 South African Airways
22 Germanwings
23 Qatar Airways
24 Singapore Airlines
25 British Airways
26 United Airlines
27 Emirates
28 Turkish Airlines
29 Icelandair
30 Cathay Pacific Airways
31 American Airlines
32 LOT Polish Airlines
33 TAP Air Portugal
34 Air Canada
35 Qantas
36 US Airways
37 EgyptAir
38 Etihad Airways
39 Air India
40 Malaysia Airlines

www.flightontime.info
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:37 am

looks like the 767 is just doing Glasgow runs and its on for tomorrow also,
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:59 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 31):
Shame they can't reactivate a couple of desert stored 744's to help maintain their busy summer schedules.But I don't suppose they are stored in a ready service state, meaning peak-summer is over by the time they can be back at LHR. In any case, the first 789's and last two A380's will come late Sept / Oct, so I guess BA will just have to struggle on as they are now until then and hope no other incidents happen and no more planes have tech downtime.We shall be watching you, BA !
Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 39):
looks like the 767 is just doing Glasgow runs and its on for tomorrow also,

I think a significant factor is the late delivery of the 5 to-be-leased 320s for LGW operations. For example all of BA's small fleet of seven long-haul configured 763s have been operating short-haul flights out of LHR recently. This is probably to cover for short haul aircraft moved from LHR to LGW to cover the shortage there.. Most of the 763s have operated around eight or ten short-haul rotations since early June. But G-BNWI operated 28 short-haul flights in the first three weeks of June but just one more since then:


02 Jun LHR-ARN-LHR (BA780/81)
05 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
05 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
06 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
06 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
07 Jun LHR-FRA-LHR (BA902/03)
07 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA560/59)
08 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
08 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
09 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
09 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
10 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
10 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
12 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
12 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
12 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
14 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA560/59)
15 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
15 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
16 Jun LHR-EDI-LHR (BA1434/41)
17 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
17 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
18 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
18 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
19 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
19 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
20 Jun LHR-FCO-LHR (BA552/53)
20 Jun LHR-MAD-LHR (BA462/63)
17 Jul LHR-MAD-LHR (BA456/57)

[Edited 2015-07-23 05:47:46]

[Edited 2015-07-23 05:48:34]
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 40):
I think a significant factor is the late delivery of the 5 to-be-leased 320s for LGW operations

     
Two LHR A320 are based at LGW at the present due to this. This has taken away the A320 standby at LHR.
Some of the LH B767 flying in Europe was planned in advance. There is no spare SH B767 and one is in the hangar at Cardiff just now, so a LH B767 flies SH routes.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 41):

that would explain why they have Titan 767 at the moment
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:16 pm

G-YMMC is heading back to LHR from CBG - watched it rotate dead on 4pm.

Didn't catch sight of any other aircraft in the hangar.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:25 pm

Quoting Btblue (Reply 43):

G-YMMC is heading back to LHR from CBG - watched it rotate dead on 4pm.

Didn't catch sight of any other aircraft in the hangar.

That should be G-YMMF (BA9172)

'MC is on her way to PVG on the 169 I hope...


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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:42 pm

LHR is operated at 98% of capacity, leading to daily shambles. The Airports Commission did not get this, neither did they get my point that 4 runway operating at 75% of capacity allows the same number of aircraft movements as 3 runways operating at 100% capacity. But with much better daily resilience.

On the resilient point, we see daily the issues arising from the absence of 'spare' runway capacity. If a 75% rule was introduced, the airlines would get better utilisation from their aeroplanes which would not be sitting around in a queue on the ground or in the air, consuming fuel. So also a sustainability benefit. And shorter journey times.

On the 75% rule and the 4 runway suggestions, the fact that spare runway capacity exits does not mean it should be used. The main benefit is a step change in the passenger experience. I am not taking about shopping experience, but about the passenger (and meet and greeter) experience of a new level of reliability for departures and arrivals being on time.
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 40):

going by Thebasource there aircraft have been all over the place today

[Edited 2015-07-23 12:54:54]
 
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:42 am

They now got a 737 from titan also helping them out so today they have 3 aircraft on hire
 
TCX69K
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:23 am

IIV is finally positioning STNLGW this evening as BA9170E, ETA 2000 after long term repair.

Due back into service tomorrow as BA2155 to BGI.
 
Gazdon121
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RE: BA2277 LGW-LAS Canx Today - Reason?

Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:25 am

Quoting TCX69K (Reply 48):

Who would be repairing the aircraft at STN and I did not know they had the facilities for a 777 repair

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