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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:22 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 45):
How does one go about to being a JANET pilot?

Job descriptions have been posted on the government employment websites in the past. You just need the applicable 737 experience, and be able to get a SSBI clearance.


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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:55 am

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 24):
Yep, and you can also sit outside NATO HQ in Brussels and watch who is entering and leaving.

While neither is particularly well hidden, stopping on the nearest public street in Brussels or Las Vegas is a surefire way to get the local police to show up and explain what No Parking means. Admittedly it makes little sense when you can sit behind a window on the 10th floor of one of several buildings nearby and watch the parking lot with binoculars.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 27):
These are civilian workers. They are likely assigned one task out of a huge program. They likely do not see the full picture of what they are working on.

Right on, the cooks have no idea what the janitors do all day and the clerks don't recognize what's on their plate. Not everyone who boards these planes is working on a research or test project...

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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:40 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 44):
How does one go about to being a JANET pilot?

How bout just like a crew scheduler!
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:03 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 36):
I assume this air service is different from the one with which the US Government conducts extraordinary renditions?

The 767s used for extraordinary rendition out of IAD are operated by Vision Airlines, which also flies charters and until recently operated aircraft for the failed PEOPLExpress V2. I'm not sure if the U.S. government still uses them for this purpose, though.
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:03 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 51):
While neither is particularly well hidden, stopping on the nearest public street in Brussels or Las Vegas is a surefire way to get the local police to show up and explain what No Parking means. Admittedly it makes little sense when you can sit behind a window on the 10th floor of one of several buildings nearby and watch the parking lot with binoculars.

Which I have done (without binoculars) from my room in the Mandalay Bay hotel. I'll be there next week and if my room faces east I'll be doing it again while waiting for the family to get ready for dinner. It is directly across the street from the JANET terminal. You can look for incoming flights on Flightradar 24.
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:14 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 44):
How does one go about to being a JANET pilot?

A few years ago EG&G advertised in the aviation press for 737 pilots based at McCarran. Whilst it didn't mention Janet by name it was obvious what they were recruiting for. The requirements were to hold a 737 type rating (can't remember the min hours required) and be able to pass a US govt security screening. They didn't state the destinations flown to but the big selling point in the ad was that crews would be home every night (unlike many 'conventional' airline crews).

Janet is no big secret. Any espionage outside of the operation will be less interested in a bunch of ex Chinese 737s flying daily schedules, and more interested in low tech stuff like how many cars are in the parking lot year on year which would give an indication of activity levels out in the desert.
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:24 am

If you still think they are that secret take a look at a.net's own photo database under EG&G, there are approx 200 Janet pics. Some examples:


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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:04 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 36):

I assume this air service is different from the one with which the US Government conducts extraordinary renditions?

Yes. Those are operated by private charter carriers - that 767, for example, is a Vision airplane.
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:41 pm

"Janet" is not all that secret.

Think of them more like public transportation more than an airline. They're simply flying buses. They transport employees to and from selected strips within the huge expanse of the Nellis testing range. It's just easier to fly them over "the hump" than driving the distance. 12 min flight-v-90 min bus ride....you do the math.

Not everyone on board is a spook. They don't all work with the greys. Most are average GS's who simply need a ride to work.

You must remember the distances involved.
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Has anyone ever attempted to drive to the Tonapah Test Range? I did when I was 17. When we started seeing the warning signs to turn around, we continued (young and stupid!) Anyways, my friend started feeling sick. About 5 minutes later, I started feeling sick. I actually pulled over and threw up. That was the end of our venture, as we turned around to head back. As we drove away, we both started to feel better! I can't tell you if it was a sudden food poisoning, or a quick 10 minute flu bug. Whatever it was, it wasn't cool at all. We decided to never try that drive again!

I ask if anyone else has tried the drive, because it would be crazy to have someone else experience it. What could it have been? We wanted to check out Area 51, but never got around to doing it. I was born and raised in Vegas, so I am saddened to say I never tried to see Area 51! LOL!

Janet? I saw them since I could remember. The parking for EGG near the terminal was off limits, and a security guard was armed to the fullest. It was always cool watching them takeoff and land, wondering what the passengers were doing!
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:39 pm

I think I recall hearing about JANET on an episode of "How states got their shapes" or something on history channel
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:40 pm

I have a picture of them all lined up as I taxied by when I flew in there on a Saturday. I'd post it, but I haven't been able to figure out how.
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting Oshkosh1 (Reply 58):
"Janet" is not all that secret.

Think of them more like public transportation more than an airline. They're simply flying buses. They transport employees to and from selected strips within the huge expanse of the Nellis testing range. It's just easier to fly them over "the hump" than driving the distance. 12 min flight-v-90 min bus ride....you do the math.

Not everyone on board is a spook. They don't all work with the greys. Most are average GS's who simply need a ride to work.

Not so much a secret airline, but Janet would be one heck of a trip report to score!!
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:21 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 28):
Quoting warden145 (Reply 28):Even with the relative openness of Groom Lake AFB compared to what it used to be, I'm amazed that the USAF/CIA is allowing those images to be public...I'm guessing they twisted some wrists at Google to give them access to determine that any images weren't showing anything they weren't supposed to...

I live within a stone's throw of Camp Peary, aka "The Farm", used for CIA training. Next to Air Janet it is about the worst kept secret in America.

You can Google Earth Camp Peary (in Williamsburg, VA) and it is pretty boring--just some non-descript buildings and a lot of residential streets with single family homes. It has not been pixelated out or anything. If you take the wrong exit off I-64 it will take you directly to their front gate and they politely but firmly turn you around.
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:30 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 63):
You can Google Earth Camp Peary (in Williamsburg, VA) and it is pretty boring--just some non-descript buildings and a lot of residential streets with single family homes. It has not been pixelated out or anything.

What I have always found confusing is that Woensdrecht Air Base in the Netherlands used to be pixelated out on googlemaps but now it isn't. Go figure!
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:40 pm

I might be wrong but I think I once saw an EG&G 732 in FRA. Can anyone confirm? Of course it parked in the USAF Air Base.
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 59):


I ask if anyone else has tried the drive, because it would be crazy to have someone else experience it. What could it have been? We wanted to check out Area 51, but never got around to doing it. I was born and raised in Vegas, so I am saddened to say I never tried to see Area 51! LOL!

My brother and I drove to Area 51 last year. Passed the small town of Rachel and from there drove on a dirt road for some 20miles. Along the road there were antennas/sensors and closer there were warning signs. There was also a final sign warning us to not pass it onto the paved road behind it. They also warned about the usage of lethal force once passing that sign. Watching us was a pick up truck with 2 persons sitting in it. They were on a hill further in. They probably knew about us approaching thanks to the dust cloud when driving on the dirt and sensors.
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:13 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 53):

Are those 767s N423AX and N441AX or are those for a different mission?

Also, about Janet, it's quite interesting to see them at LAS, especially since they park right by the Sands hangar.

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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:04 pm

I think the destinations were more of a secret than the airline that carried them, there.



Also, weren't some of the a/c ex-WA?
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:14 am

More on Janet and their current/former fleet with photos.
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/janet_fleet.html
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:06 am

Ok, let's try this

While taxiing for takeoff on 19L, I save the JANET aircraft parked for the weekend.



I have a decent shot of the Sands SPs, but I'm out of storage here.
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting AirFiero (Reply 70):
While taxiing for takeoff on 19L, I save the JANET aircraft parked for the weekend.

That's a King Air of theirs also, on the left. Does similar trips, but sometimes to other places.

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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:38 pm

I was once told, but obviously have no real way of checking, that JANET was derived from Joint Army Navy Employee Transport ~ or words to that effect ~ and that it had been around since since Lockheed, acting on behalf of the government, opened the facility at Area 51 known as Dreamland. The employees of the government in those early days were all employed by either the Army or the Navy ~ not sure why no Air Force ~ and that the name had been used before at other facilities requiring employee transport.

Again, no way of checking and this could be total Bravo Sierra.   
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:43 pm

Quoting macsog6 (Reply 72):
~ not sure why no Air Force ~

Didn't the airforce used to be part of the army in the early days?

And Wow isn't the fleet pretty big to move 100 people at a time a very short distance. They must be moving massive numbers each day. You would think each plane could make several trips in the morning and afternoon.
 
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:10 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 73):
Didn't the airforce used to be part of the army in the early days?

The Air Force became a separate service from the Army in 1947.
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RE: Government Has Own Secret Airline: Janet

Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:37 am

Here's an interesting read on the subject hosted at usc.edu, it's about 8 years old:

http://vectors.usc.edu/issues/04_issue/trevorpaglen/index.php
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