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Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:12 pm

And waiting ... and waiting.

But it seems to have been cancelled this year. Oh well, maybe 2016 will be better.

One thing that is certainly not in short supply this year is growth and we can certainly be thankful for that. Across all markets, in DUB anyway, with long haul showing the best of it.
It looks quite possible that DUB might exceed the pre-crash peak this year, which will certainly encourage the DAA to dust off its runway and other infrastructural plans.

We saw the first A350 arrival into DUB and it certainly looks very impressive; pity we'll have to wait another three years before EI gets its hands on them, but at least we can comfort ourselves with the extra 757 and possibly two A330s to come next year.

This month also saw some very interesting developments on the EI front, with the shareholders, including FR, agreeing to sell their holdings to IAG, so let's hope that augurs well. Of course, with no EI holding to worry about, FR will be coming down hard on EI, so let's hope it's ready for the onslaught. The handling of the catering issue, plus increasing operational delays, does not inspire much confidence. Let's hope that IAG puts the skids under EI's senior management pretty soon. Sadly, one can't help but think that the high standards CM set are gradually falling away. A bad reputation is much easier to get (and keep) than a good one.

Let's hope the second half of 2016 sees the same level of growth, and a return to its former success and operational quality by EI.

Here's the link to 12/15, if anyone wants to refer back:

Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1 (by kaitak Jul 6 2015 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:34 pm

Where are the extra 757 & A330s going to come from? I thought A330s in particular were pretty hard to come by. But then I do know of a certain Spanish airline who just happen to also fly them????
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
But it seems to have been cancelled this year. Oh well, maybe 2016 will be better.

Indeed lashing as I write! Still good for the airlines who might get some last minute bookings from those who thought it was wise to have a staycation  
Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Sadly, one can't help but think that the high standards CM set are gradually falling away. A bad reputation is much easier to get (and keep) than a good one.

He is missed by many. Lets hope IAG can get moving and bring in much needed direction in various areas of the company. I think we are looking at Q1 2016. Some things might start to change before but we are already closer to August so I cant see too much. Still its exciting times for Irish aviation.  
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:49 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 1):
Where are the extra 757 & A330s going to come from? I thought A330s in particular were pretty hard to come by.

Aren't there some A330s which were supposed to go to Libyan Arab and Afriqiyah, which are still not spoken for?

As to the 757, I think AY still has one which is a sister aircraft of the three EI already flies.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:47 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
Aren't there some A330s which were supposed to go to Libyan Arab and Afriqiyah, which are still not spoken for?

As to the 757, I think AY still has one which is a sister aircraft of the three EI already flies.

The ntu Libyan birds are all GE also...

The 757 is apparently stored now, if airfleets is to be believed. Would be the most logical choice.

edit: another site has it that L3 Communications own it, and it has been active on Flightaware - https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N903TB

[Edited 2015-07-20 13:50:21]
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:58 pm

On the assumption they get another 757 and 2 A330s then that allows 3 new daily east coast / mid American destinations. Now obviously the 757 doesn't have the legs for MIA, DFW or LAX, all of which have been rumoured. So it could really only be used to start a new route to either PHL or YUL (I think???) or swapped with a current A330 route, I'm thinking IAD here, thus freeing up another A330.

Personally I can see MIA and LAX as pretty much certainties, DFW I'm not so sure.
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):

TK took the Afriqiyah 330s.
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:06 pm

Quoting eicvd (Reply 6):
TK took the Afriqiyah 330s

Ah, that's not fair; they're just being greedy.

Aren't there some Libyan Arab A330s that are still free? Might they consider RR powered A330s if GE aren't available. Might as well get used to them, because the A350s will be RR powered.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):

The final finnair 757 has been bought by FedEx to be converted shortly. Air contractors are currently trying to source one elsewhere.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 5):

Can see a third daily BOS and JFK return third daily using A330/B757 wIth LAX and MIA added with the other A330. There is room to boost ORD capacity also if for example BOS only gets 4 weekly extra flights.

Lots of room to boost current services.

Will be suprised if the 767 ex SNN is repeated on IAG clock and some loads I have saw are less than impressive. If that is the case then the 752 will not be a real addition in capacity terms.

I think DFW may be better with AA 787 in time, but agree not so sure about that one.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:00 am

How about AA 757 on ORD-SNN/DUB (2 aircraft), EI daily on ORD-DUB/SNN (2 aircraft) and an AA 767 on DFW-DUB?
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:07 am

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 9):
Will be suprised if the 767 ex SNN is repeated on IAG clock and some loads I have saw are less than impressive.

The 767 flights regularly go out and come in full. Like many other scheduled services, it does have its off days. EI would not have put on a 767 if the route was incapable of carrying the loads - they could have put it on DUB-YYZ instead.

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 10):

How about AA 757 on ORD-SNN/DUB (2 aircraft), EI daily on ORD-DUB/SNN (2 aircraft) and an AA 767 on DFW-DUB?

AA or EI will probably not relaunch SNN-ORD while UA is on the route. I don't think there's room for two carriers here. I heard a few years ago that EI were considering resuming SNN-ORD before they acquired their 757s but then UA jumped in and EI abandoned the plan.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:27 am

http://flyinginireland.com/2014/12/i...renewal-put-off-until-summer-2015/

"Intro sell VLM but CityJet fleet renewal put off until summer 2015"

Has there been any update on Cityjets fleet plans? I ask because their 17 Avro's are an expensive bird to be operating. With their route network being LCY heavy I'd expect that the E170/190 are the obvious choice to renew their fleet. Do they have the finances or the support from their new task masters Intro Aviation to fund a such fleet renewal programme?

On a tangential note, if IAG and EI are serious about pulling some of the UK regional traffic away from KL/ AF then shouldn't we be expecting a growth of EI Regional to match the current KL/ WA UK network? By my count EI is currently missing MME, HUY and NWI compared to KL. To allow good connection times I expect the timtables of these flights will need to be altered. Does RE have the capacity to operate the entire regional network itself? Or do think we could see WX or BE fly under the Aer Lingus Regional brand. Or (not very likely in my view) would IAG look to expand BA CityFlyer to fly as UK Regions - DUB feeder flights?

I ask because while I'm a fan of the ATRs as an efficient regional aircraft, I know the travelling public can see them as less desirable to fly. WA has an all jet fleet and as stated above I'd expect WX to also commit to the E-series (which I really like).
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:13 am

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 12):
Does RE have the capacity to operate the entire regional network itself? Or do think we could see WX or BE fly under the Aer Lingus Regional brand. Or (not very likely in my view) would IAG look to expand BA CityFlyer to fly as UK Regions - DUB feeder flights?

RE still have (or had, they may have expired) options on more -600s. They don't have the capacity as it stands and the BE/WX subcontract craft are not ideal compared to -600s.

I wouldn't be massively surprised to see Cityflyer take on some of the higher yield EI-R routes - more attractive craft and release the ATRs for other routes. I'd always hoped that if EI stayed independent that they looked at EJets for this purpose anyway.
 
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:58 am

Probably too early to speculate but does anyone have any idea of the chances that Stobart may become a "Oneworld Affiliate Airline" when EI renters the alliance?
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 11):

They regularly operate well below the capacity provided also. I don't think you would ever it it in DUB, it's to damaging to their brand which is why I don't see IAG bringing it back.

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 10):

Don't see a remote possibility of such a service.

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 12):
Or (not very likely in my view) would IAG look to expand BA CityFlyer to fly as UK Regions - DUB feeder flights?

And where would BA magic up these aircraft from, they don't have enough and had to drop routes to launch DUB. I don't see any EIR changes and I'm sure EI/EIR contract any have something to say about such changes also.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 10):
How about AA 757 on ORD-SNN

Way too much capacity for SNN in these times. Unless something substantially changes and SNN becomes a second hub again if DUB fills up I cant see it.
 
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting tonystan (Reply 14):

Probably too early to speculate but does anyone have any idea of the chances that Stobart may become a "Oneworld Affiliate Airline" when EI renters the alliance?

I'd suspect the chances are high. I'd expect all flights under the EI Regional franchise would be flown with affiliate benefits. If Stobart decided to start their own flights (under their own brand) I don't think they'd be covered. (I'm looking to MN franchise with BA as the model that'd be followed.)
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:24 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 5):
MIA, DFW or LAX

I'd love to see EI launch these flights, and I can see them returning to LAX in the near future, but is there really demand for MIA and DFW from Ireland? If not EI would want to be extremely confident in the connections demand for these destinations. The A330 is a lot of plane to fill without having strong O&D loads.

What onwards connections do MIA and DFW offer that aren't met through JFK, BOS and ORD now?

(I'm assuming MIA and DFW would have to operate 5x weekly minimum to be viable)
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
The handling of the catering issue, plus increasing operational delays, does not inspire much confidence. Let's hope that IAG puts the skids under EI's senior management pretty soon. Sadly, one can't help but think that the high standards CM set are gradually falling away. A bad reputation is much easier to get (and keep) than a good one.

Sadly this is very true. EI under CM did so much work to build up after the debacle of thier last Irish CEO, and now it seems there is a leadership void in EI yet again. As under Mannion we see an senior manager badly introducing change which is not helping the passenger experience and while cutting costs may ultimately lose business and revenue for EI.

I would love to see the onboard revenue figures for May-July 2015 compared to the same period in 2014. Wastage may be down but that means nothing if revenue is also down.
 
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:29 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 17):

I'd suspect the chances are high. I'd expect all flights under the EI Regional franchise would be flown with affiliate benefits.

I would expect it to be a given that OW benefits would be available on all EIR flights even if Stobart do not become an affiliate member. It wouldnt make sense not to offer lounge/luggage/miles benefits. I suspect it will be handled like other airlines where the airline might not have anything to do with the Alliance but the fact its an Aer Lingus flight ''Operated by Stobart Air'' it allows OW benefits as if they were EI metal.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 13):
I'd always hoped that if EI stayed independent that they looked at EJets for this purpose anyway.

Same - I really like the E-Series. BAs E-190s are the best shorthaul product in the fleet. (IMHO)
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 18):

MIA - S American routes + would draw plenty of transit from Europe
LAX - Strong point to point + good level of UK transit as well as Europe
DFW - Good ish O&D (close to top unversed direct routes) not sure about transit levels but think AA 787 would be best

Frequency wise LAX 4 weekly and MIA 3 weekly to work well, I don't seem them going much higher in year 1 anyway.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:49 pm

What are the Ethopian loads Ex Dublin to LAX like i.e - not transit
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 22):
DFW - Good ish O&D (close to top unversed direct routes) not sure about transit levels but think AA 787 would be best

I think you're right. An 787 would be the right size for this route. I wonder where DUB will fall in the list of priorities as the 787 joins AA fleet.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:13 pm

I noticed in a couple of news reports that the Irish special Olympics team was flying to LAX today on board a special EI flight. Anyone have any details of this? Will it then return home empty or position to somewhere else?
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:21 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 25):

I thought they were going Via JFK?
 
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 25):

They were on scheduled flights, not sure which one though
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:34 pm

Whopper delays for today's EI103 JFK (departed 14:00) & EI129 YYZ (departed 19:00)...

What's going on with EI these days???? Is it me or are these delays becoming more common??

Finally... Is this a pure EI problem or does DUB airport have a part to play in such delays?

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Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:40 pm

JFK 752 went tech and passengers were on board for over 4 hours before they decided to use the YYZ 752. The US staff are not fans on offloading cleared passengers but they were off loaded in the end. Guess it took till this evening to fix the 752.

[Edited 2015-07-21 11:44:48]
 
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Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):

As usual you were correct. Just saw a tweet from EI confirming their arrival at JFK
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:55 pm

I've just seen a tweet about Aer Lingus rolling out a new premium product on UK/European business routes, named 'Aer Space' it will feature an empty middle seat, free snacks/drinks and priority boarding/baggage. Will be available towards the end of the year according to Mike Rutter.

Tweet: https://twitter.com/joesentme/status/623889930066923521

Interesting if true!
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):

About bloody time. Sounds quite similar to what SK offer for their European "business" class
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):

It has been muted for some time so good to see it actually happen.
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:59 pm

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):
I've just seen a tweet about Aer Lingus rolling out a new premium product on UK/European business routes, named 'Aer Space' it will feature an empty middle seat, free snacks/drinks and priority boarding/baggage. Will be available towards the end of the year according to Mike Rutter.

Yeah saw that too. We have only been suggesting it here for the last few years ! If true finally its coming  
 
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:17 pm

Question on transatlantic business products currently into Ireland. I know EI now has fully flat business class on all routes to US, (not Canada?) from Dublin. AA have new business class on some re fitted planes, but they currently don't fly into Dublin with this new fit out, only old J slopping beds?

Anyone else? What is US Airways like? Delta?

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Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:43 pm

Quoting irishbean (Reply 35):

AFAIK delta offer fully flat bed on all routes into Ireland at this stage, same for UA. US have flat beds on their A330s which fly into DUB during the summer but the 752s used in winter are antiques!!!
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Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 36):

AA don't on ORD, will be next summer when it happens. Not sure about their 752 operation.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:59 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 31):
I've just seen a tweet about Aer Lingus rolling out a new premium product on UK/European business routes, named 'Aer Space' it will feature an empty middle seat, free snacks/drinks and priority boarding/baggage. Will be available towards the end of the year according to Mike Rutter.

Tweet: https://twitter.com/joesentme/status/623889930066923521

Interesting if true!

Very glad this is back on the table. Is "Aer Space" the product name they'll use? Not sure I love it. Whats wrong with plain ol' "Business"?

I also wonder how this will fit into their Low/Plus/Flex fare structure.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 38):
Is "Aer Space" the product name they'll use? Not sure I love it. Whats wrong with plain ol' "Business"?

I'm not crazy about the name either but congrats to EI for breaking away from the standard LCC model. Now to update their IFE, offer a few free beers and they're a top class airline once again!
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:37 pm

Quoting Cipango (Reply 39):
update their IFE, offer a few free beers

Amen

Can I also add an updated FF programme to that list ?  
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:03 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 40):
Can I also add an updated FF programme to that list ?  

Its pretty inevitable they'll be on Avios by the end of 2016 really.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:22 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 38):
Whats wrong with plain ol' "Business"?

I don't think they want to give the impression of it being Business. It will be Premium Economy at most

Quoting Cipango (Reply 39):
Now to update their IFE, offer a few free beers and they're a top class airline once again!

With the US carriers now giving complimentary beer/wine EI would need to folow suit. They peg themselves against UA/AA/DL
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:47 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 42):
I don't think they want to give the impression of it being Business. It will be Premium Economy at most

Are you sure? I'd be really surprised if they marketed a Y+ product on UK/European business routes. My understanding is that this would be a "Club Europe" or "Iberia Business" equivalent (i.e. empty middle seat)
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 41):
Its pretty inevitable they'll be on Avios by the end of 2016 really

Agree, but avios is only a small (but important) part of a FF programme. I hope there'll be plenty of more changes to the Gold Circle programme
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 43):
Are you sure? I'd be really surprised if they marketed a Y+ product on UK/European business routes. My understanding is that this would be a "Club Europe" or "Iberia Business" equivalent (i.e. empty middle seat)

Realistically, EI will not be trying to mirror the Club Europe service. Despite the reduced legroom in the new cabins, CE remains a quality product that includes a full meal service. There is a very limited market for this type of product out of Ireland.

The clue is in the name: "Aer Space". This will be a product designed to appeal to those who could use some extra space to work or relax; a practical, rather than a premium, offering. I reckon there is considerable demand for such a product, particularly on the longer 2+ hour sectors where some extra space is always appreciated.
 
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Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:55 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 45):
The clue is in the name: "Aer Space". This will be a product designed to appeal to those who could use some extra space to work or relax; a practical, rather than a premium, offering.

I expect this to be similar to the highly profitable United Economy Plus product (and other US carriers). This is one of the last areas of ancillary revenues enjoyed by airlines other than EI. EI is largely a leader in ancillary revenue ideas...some received well by consumers, some poorly.

The danger of a rollout of an Economy Plus product across the Atlantic for Aer Lingus is that due to the shorter flight times across the Atlantic to the East Coast, it could pull people back from Business class instead of up from Economy. A pre-order meal, some work off a wifi enabled laptop and extra legroom can be a very comfortable flight saving thousands compared to someone several feet forward. EI' shorter flight times make them more exposed than carriers currently offering this type of product. I am aware that the recent news of AerSpace relates to Europe...right now. I do believe it is a good idea for Europe and it will help clients making connections off of the Business class transatlantics. Necessary even.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:06 pm

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 46):
The danger of a rollout of an Economy Plus product across the Atlantic for Aer Lingus is that due to the shorter flight times across the Atlantic to the East Coast, it could pull people back from Business class instead of up from Economy. A pre-order meal, some work off a wifi enabled laptop and extra legroom can be a very comfortable flight saving thousands compared to someone several feet forward. EI' shorter flight times make them more exposed than carriers currently offering this type of product. I am aware that the recent news of AerSpace relates to Europe...right now. I do believe it is a good idea for Europe and it will help clients making connections off of the Business class transatlantics. Necessary even.

While I absolutely agree I think EI are missing a trick by not having a Y+ procuct on their longhaul flights I don't think there is any mention of longhaul in the tweet in question. The reference was to key UK/European business routes only. There is no difference in seat with, pitch or legroom. All you will have is an empty middle seat and some free drinks/snacks.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 45):
Realistically, EI will not be trying to mirror the Club Europe service. Despite the reduced legroom in the new cabins, CE remains a quality product that includes a full meal service. There is a very limited market for this type of product out of Ireland

The beauty of the "empty middle seat" concept is that if there is no demand, there is no loss, as the seats and be sold as regular economy seats. I'm not a huge believer in the merits of Club Europe, besides different catering and a bottle of Monopole there is very little between it and regular economy. What I'll be interested to see is the price point that this product is offered at. Will it match BA CE fares or is this just an enhancement to the current EI "Flex" fares
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 47):
I'm not a huge believer in the merits of Club Europe, besides different catering and a bottle of Monopole there is very little between it and regular economy. What I'll be interested to see is the price point that this product is offered at. Will it match BA CE fares or is this just an enhancement to the current EI "Flex" fares

I have to admit that I enjoy CE. I find it to be very civilised; the meals are typically very good and the service is always attentive. If the fare differential between Y and CE is reasonable then I am happy to pay the extra.

I would expect the current "Flex" fare to disappear and to be replaced with an "Aer Space Flex" fare.

It gets a little more interesting after that, as the total incremental revenue earned from the sale of cheaper Aer Space fares will need to exceed what could have potentially been earned from the sale of those empty middle seats. Off-peak flights won't present an issue, but cheaper Aer Space inventory will need to severely limited on high-demand services.

Historic booking curves will help them allocate the cheaper Aer Space inventory in a manner that maximises total revenue at any rate. Upgrades can then be promoted via email/mobile app in the final days before departure when the load has become clear and passengers (Guests?) have their upcoming flight on their mind.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:27 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 42):

Smart move by EI they need the flexability to have 1/2/3/4 rows depending on demand for each flight. It allows them to offer a upgraded product without too much cost to implement it. I actually love the name. Aer is unique to Aer Lingus not taking into account Arann Islands. If it is indeed called that its a good use of it. Many times EI dissapoint us but when they do something like that it restores faith!

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