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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:44 pm

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 46):
The danger of a rollout of an Economy Plus product across the Atlantic for Aer Lingus is that due to the shorter flight times across the Atlantic to the East Coast, it could pull people back from Business class instead of up from Economy. A pre-order meal, some work off a wifi enabled laptop and extra legroom can be a very comfortable flight saving thousands compared to someone several feet forward. EI' shorter flight times make them more exposed than carriers currently offering this type of product. I am aware that the recent news of AerSpace relates to Europe...right now. I do believe it is a good idea for Europe and it will help clients making connections off of the Business class transatlantics. Necessary even.

Aer Lingus are the only carrier to the US ex Ireland without Y+ so while I think you may have a point I believe it would of caused a lot more damage to the old J product. Anyway back to other carriers they are filling up front and filling Y+ so I really can't see how it would impact EI alone.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:12 am

I'm desperately waiting to know when Aer Lingus will announce its new TATL routes and when they will rejoin OneWorld.   

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 18):
What onwards connections do MIA

All of Latin America.

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 18):
is there really demand for MIA

MIA is the 2nd biggest international market in the US after JFK. South Floridians love Europe and Europeans love South Florida. Of course there's demand.  
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:28 am

Within oneworld Miami makes sense as the next hub airport, although how much fed will BA LHR lose ?
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:43 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 52):

I think they'll be targeting the traffic ex DUB & from the UK regions that are currently using UA or DL via EWR & ATL. They often have very good fares to MIA. Personally I see MIA & LAX pretty much as dead certs, the question for me is what the third new aircraft will be used for. DUB-PHL? DUB-DFW? Ex SNN?
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:23 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 49):
Smart move by EI they need the flexability to have 1/2/3/4 rows depending on demand for each flight. It allows them to offer a upgraded product without too much cost to implement it. I actually love the name. Aer is unique to Aer Lingus not taking into account Arann Islands. If it is indeed called that its a good use of it. Many times EI dissapoint us but when they do something like that it restores faith!

Well whatever form the new product takes I think we can all agree it's great to see some change and some dynamism at EI, hopefully there is plenty more to come under the wing of IAG.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 53):
Ex SNN?

Now that would be an interesting turn of events. Are there many more opportunities for longhaul expansion at SNN without shorthaul feeder flights?
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:36 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 51):
MIA is the 2nd biggest international market in the US after JFK. South Floridians love Europe and Europeans love South Florida. Of course there's demand.

DUB-MIA has to be on the cards. Its a major one missing and is being talked about by various people in the industry. Would be great to have a MIA link.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:28 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 51):
I'm desperately waiting to know when Aer Lingus will announce its new TATL routes and when they will rejoin OneWorld.

I would expect any new routes to be announced end of August at the very earliest. Most probably going to be September. This is assuming that the IAG takeover doesn't impact their normal announcement cycle.

Rejoining OW could be end of the year or the start of S16 season? I expect there is a precedent for timing of new entries?
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:38 am

I don't think it's going to happen that quickly. It's going to take a few more months for the deal to close. I don't think EI can do anything until then. New routes maybe towards the end of the year, I think it will be up to 2 years before they rejoin OW (simply with the amount of work that will be required)
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:06 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 56):
Rejoining OW could be end of the year or the start of S16 season? I expect there is a precedent for timing of new entries?

I think full entry to OW is looking like Q1 2016 maybe the end of that period. Some things will come in end of Q4 this year which I would imagine would be more benefits within IAG first. They will want EI into OW asap as it makes a big difference for advertising and of course attracting OW members and their FF base.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:24 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 58):
I think full entry to OW is looking like Q1 2016 maybe the end of that period. Some things will come in end of Q4 this year which I would imagine would be more benefits within IAG first. They will want EI into OW asap as it makes a big difference for advertising and of course attracting OW members and their FF base.

There are issues relating to IT integration that will need to be worked through and this will take some time. The marketing work can be expedited, but IT will be much slower. I think it will be Q4 2016 (W16/17 season) at the earliest before we'll see EI back in OW - and that is assuming that IAG have control by late August/September.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:27 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 51):
What onwards connections do MIA

All of Latin America.

While I do believe MIA is an obvious destination to shortlist with the IAG hub, Ireland has very little traffic demand to South America. Are there still transit visa requirements for US hub connects to South America? If so, many are better served by IB, AF and KL.

I feel there is very little Business class demand to MIA and South America beyond low, restricted Business class for a minority of Cruise and Honeymoon traffic. Irish potential for MIA will be the very popular CUN connections. There is room to grow the Mexican holiday market as our connections now are quite poor, but it is largely restricted to honeymoons with little repeat business. Next destination of Irish interest is Los Cabos and MIA is not a natural connecting hub. Low yield, very advance purchased cruise traffic has been diminished with the Euro weakness versus EU cruises and the value of Middle and Far East travel and low fare and package holiday availability.

Prior to the IAG announcement, FLL would have been a more logical choice as an O&D destination for the Irish, Cruise traffic as well as JetBlue connections to the key destinations of Irish potential. I was surprised EI didn't jump into FLL earlier when JetBlue was building a base, but I think long term ambitions that we see as reality today were already in play. Many Irish are already familiar with FLL and PBI area communities, far more than MIA repeat stays. 4 day/week service to FLL would be sufficient and even allow dual city breaks with MCO. This could now pass to MIA, but yields will be low. EI has priced economy very high to compensate for low Business demand. Many say EI priced themselves too high to MCO and most choose to connect.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:37 am

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 60):
Are there still transit visa requirements for US hub connects to South America?

Yes, no seamless or immigration free transits are possible.
Assuming pre-clearance at Dublin, this may be less of a relevant factor should MIA open up.
Given that ATL has recently proved weak, with winter suspension, suggesting that Florida demand from Ireland is less than before, a new service to MIA might indeed prove difficult and perhaps also hit the MCO service.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:50 am

Quoting EI320 (Reply 59):
There are issues relating to IT integration that will need to be worked through and this will take some time. The marketing work can be expedited, but IT will be much slower. I think it will be Q4 2016 (W16/17 season) at the earliest before we'll see EI back in OW - and that is assuming that IAG have control by late August/September.

It will be interesting to see the dates that it eventually does get inaugurated. Things can move pretty fast even when its down to IT. It just needs the right people to make the right decisions and get it done.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:26 pm

In relation to the above queries on potential additional A330's being sourced for next year, another thread on here mentions that some of KLM's A332's are coming to the end of their lease period at the end of 2015 - and with GE engines, they maybe a contender for additional capacity come 2016.

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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:51 pm

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 60):
Ireland has very little traffic demand to South America.

Has it ? I don't think so, i'd say it's enough to justify a MIA route anyway. There are lots of South Americans living in Ireland now too. And a lot of the connections would come from the UK regions anyway, so we can't consider potential new routes from just the just traditional Irish roots perspective anymore.

The MAD hub is poorly connected to the UK regions by IAG apart from LHR, so DUB could add to IAG's coverage with a MIA route without diluting IB's traffic from MAD too much.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 64):
And a lot of the connections would come from the UK regions anyway, so we can't consider potential new routes from just the just traditional Irish roots perspective anymore.

I do agree that you must now consider DUB as a hub for feed from UK and EU, but South America is not the best feed for this. UK regions are well served to South America by aggressive price leader KL, BA via LHR, AF via CDG and IB and TP to a lesser degree...all with one stop with no visa issues. A DUB option will be 2 connects and a visa issue for US transfers. The South American community in Ireland is primarily Brazilian, have price sensitive preferences with AF/KL and travel home less than yearly with even fewer visits to Ireland from family abroad. Their circumstances in Ireland are unique.

MIA could be worth a try, but not on the back of AA connecting traffic. Cruise revenue would increase. The last remaining value found in US trips.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:05 pm

A two stop UK DUB MIA Americas will not be competitive however.
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:10 pm

Maybe AA can codeshare with Aer Lingus on MIA-DUB.

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 65):
not on the back of AA connecting traffic.

Why not?

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 64):
There are lots of South Americans living in Ireland now too. And a lot of the connections would come from the UK regions anyway

  

Quoting OA260 (Reply 55):
DUB-MIA has to be on the cards. Its a major one missing and is being talked about by various people in the industry. Would be great to have a MIA link.

Aer Lingus has said last year they were looking at another Florida city and another East Coast city for 2015.


At the time it was IAD and MIA rumored.
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:34 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 67):
Maybe AA can codeshare with Aer Lingus on MIA-DUB.

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 65):
not on the back of AA connecting traffic.

Why not?

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 64):
There are lots of South Americans living in Ireland now too. And a lot of the connections would come from the UK regions anyway

I think what people are referencing is that UK-DUB-MIA-Latin America is less desirable than the one stop connections available via AMS, CDG and MAD meaning that demand would have to originate in Dublin for Latin American destinations. The last figures I saw for O&D out of Ireland for North and South America didn't feature one LATAM destination.

Rank Dest Estimated O&D Demand
1 JFK 438,602
2 BOS 244,230
3 ORD 172,757
4 SFO 112,822
5 EWR 111,211
6 MCO 106,238
7 LAX 60,944
9 PHX 46,653
10 LAS 39,426
11 SEA 36,195
12 YVR 32,888
13 IAD 30,703
14 PHL 29,732
15 MIA 27,886
16 ATL 23,219
17 SAN 18,855
18 PDX 18,336
19 YUL 18,061
20 MSP 17,694

I admit this list is based on 2012 data but you can see that there are quite a few destinations more popular than MIA that are currently not served direct from DUB

Should also mention this data is bi-directional

[Edited 2015-07-24 08:54:49]
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:46 pm

Emirates eyes northerners bound for Dublin airport

ONE of the world's leading airlines Emirates is hoping to capitalise on the growing numbers of northern people opting for Dublin Airport ahead of Belfast.

Emirates has appointed a sales executive to Northern Ireland, marking its first permanent presence in the region.

Belfast native Lynsey Lamont is taking up the role, which the operator said was in response to a "marked increase" in demand and bookings

The number of Northern Ireland residents using Dublin Airport increased by 52 per cent to a record 864,000 last year, with route choice cited as the main reason.

Emirates connects up to 22,000 customers from Ireland to Dubai and onwards to over 140 destinations every month.

http://www.irishnews.com/business/20...s-eyes-northern-passengers-200196/
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:47 pm

On the figures above PHX cannot be ruled out given the significant US and now AA presence there....
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:54 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 67):

Quoting gullairACK (Reply 65):
not on the back of AA connecting traffic.

Why not?

As stated above regarding IE demand to anything South of MIA. Anything North or West are already served better by other hubs. Plus the visa restrictions and double stops for the UK feed into DUB for final destinations served south of MIA.

Quoting Miami (Reply 67):
Maybe AA can codeshare with Aer Lingus on MIA-DUB.

Absolutely essential really. Every bit helps. As someone noted, it may pull traffic from their own MCO flight. Seasonal activity like Cruise (OCT-MAY), student (JUN/SEP) can help but both are low yield.

There really aren't that many South Americans in Ireland. Everything is relative and our small size and previous lack of any South Americans must be considered. Yes, "we have a Brazilian couple in the village now" is not necessarily the same as lots of South Americans in Ireland. There are small pockets of settlement related to meat industry jobs that generally do not support the wages for regular leisure travel. Our cities, Dublin and Cork, have more but still not sizable. Of those, their travel has not been noticed beyond once a year, most much less. We have historic emigration ties with Argentina and Chile, but that is multiple generations back.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 70):

On the figures above PHX cannot be ruled out given the significant US and now AA presence there....

Yes it looks very appealing doesn't it.

In fact I'm quite surprised EI handed EWR to UA with all that O&D demand. I wonder is it back on the cards now.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:59 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 68):

1 JFK 438,602
2 BOS 244,230
3 ORD 172,757
4 SFO 112,822
5 EWR 111,211
6 MCO 106,238
7 YYZ 103,168
8 LAX 60,944
9 PHX 46,653
10 LAS 39,426
11 SEA 36,195
12 YVR 32,888
13 IAD 30,703
14 PHL 29,732
15 MIA 27,886
16 ATL 23,219
17 SAN 18,855
18 PDX 18,336
19 YUL 18,061
20 MSP 17,694

Interesting list, which seems to put to rest any possibility of DFW being a possible destination ex DUB; when that rumour came about, I wonder what figures it was based on, because Dallas doesn't seem to figure at all.

LAX seems very likely, though. Hope it won't push ET out, but presumably they are not relying on DUB traffic to any great extent.

Interesting about the KLM A330s; I think there were some ex-EVA A332s which have recently come off lease and they might also be suitable, being GE powered, but wouldn't EI prefer A333s (even with the wrong engines) to A332s with the right engines?
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:17 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 66):
A two stop UK DUB MIA Americas will not be competitive however.

Not even something like BHX-DUB-MIA-KIN ?
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:26 pm

Perhaps FLL should be given some good consideration:

Norwegian seems to be doing ok with their services from CPH/OSL/ARN and LGW.
EuroWings have applied to serve FLL from Germany.
Its possibly (??) cheaper to operate to, rather than MIA.
MIA and gate space can be congested in evenings.
Would allow one stop UK regions - DUB - FLL to cater for tourist traffic.
Would also permit connection to JetBlue's Mexican/Caribbean/S American cities.
Close enough to both FLL and MIA cruise ports.

FLL is approx 30 miles from MIA, so would serve the MIA area.

[Edited 2015-07-24 09:33:44]
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:27 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 73):
Hope it won't push ET out, but presumably they are not relying on DUB traffic to any great extent.

A very mixed bag of results so far it must be said.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 75):
FLL is approx 30 miles from MIA, so would serve the MIA area.

Indeed either is good for the cruise passengers too.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 75):
Perhaps FLL should be given some good consideration:

I just don't see a OneWorld airline operating services in FLL when there's a OneWorld hub just south; MIA.

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 75):
Its possibly (??) cheaper to operate to, rather than MIA.

MIA waives off the fees for the first year and 50% off the second, IIRC.

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 75):
MIA and gate space can be congested in evenings.

Not necessarily true. They can be fine in the North Terminal, if not Concourse E.

Quoting goldcrest (Reply 75):
Would also permit connection to JetBlue's Mexican/Caribbean/S American cities.

So would AA once EI joins OneWorld.

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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:43 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 74):

to avoid a 2 stop flight people might brave the drive for LGW-KIN or prefer to fly direct BHX-MBJ
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:48 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 70):

I really think you can rule it out, while traffic is good it would destroy DUB-PHL and note the only European carrier at PHX is BA to LHR. Can we really see EI as been the second carrier? AA also have not INT flights out of there to Europe either. It tells us something significant when the likes of LH and AF/KLM are not in town.

In generally MIA is low but look at IAD and we have 2 carriers now offering 75,000 (ish rough calculation) and the O&D data is only 3 years old.

MIA could work but transit would be important and I think the decision for EI is if they can get 50, 30, 20% (Direct, DUB feed, MIA feed). Based on those 2012 figures a 3 weekly A332 would be most suitable but a big ask. Vegas is another good one but I'm not sure if it would be viable for EI, a very price sensitive route for Irish people and while a lot connect via the UK to VS and BA at LGW/MAN it could deliver good feed but a lot of passengers are package holidays which is the worry.

I still think apart from LAX we will still see a build up of core freq to JFK/BOS/ORD if they get extra aircraft.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 4:53 pm

As an outlier I have to wonder if PDX might work in the absence of BA serving it from LHR and the still growing tech industry in northern Oregon / southern Washington - its starting to get a lot of rumours about further European carriers. Considering we do actually have the lower estimate YUL on TS and constant suggestions that EI could serve it
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting EIDL (Reply 81):
As an outlier I have to wonder if PDX might work in the absence of BA serving it from LHR and the still growing tech industry in northern Oregon / southern Washington - its starting to get a lot of rumours about further European carriers.

As much as I'd love to see it happen I think its BA or naught at PDX in the near/medium future. EI just isnt the carrier to make this work for IAG or OW
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:28 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 54):
Now that would be an interesting turn of events. Are there many more opportunities for longhaul expansion at SNN without shorthaul feeder flights?

In my opinion the fourth 757 will be used to push DUB-IAD up to daily; that will free up an A332 to launch a new route (LAX or MIA).

Alternatively, the extra 757 might be used to increase frequency on DUB-MCO and/or integrate it to launch a few times weekly SNN-MCO.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:21 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 73):
Interesting about the KLM A330s; I think there were some ex-EVA A332s which have recently come off lease and they might also be suitable, being GE powered, but wouldn't EI prefer A333s (even with the wrong engines) to A332s with the right engines?

I think Aer Lingus would prefer engine commonality in the short term, I'm sure they could have easily acquired an A333 with the wrong engine last year but were more than happy to bring EI-EWR back into the fleet.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 83):
In my opinion the fourth 757 will be used to push DUB-IAD up to daily; that will free up an A332 to launch a new route (LAX or MIA).

If Aer Lingus intend to use the 757 on more routes from DUB they'll need to bring the on board product up to scratch, Business Class in particular. At the moment I think they can get away with it on lower yielding SNN routes and YYZ but to remove the A330 from IAD and replace it with a 757 wouldn't be received too well.

JetBlue's Mint cabin uses the same seat as the Aer Lingus Business Class so it can be fitted into a narrowbody when modified and if that's still not an option there are plenty of other fully flat business products available for the 757 and Aer Lingus need to be looking at them if they plan on expanding its use.

Aer Lingus seem pretty pleased with IAD's performance anyway, originally just a summer service it was extended to January 4th and will now restart March 14th, slightly earlier than planned. Based on that I'm guessing loads are pretty good and it's likely to stay an A330 service for the foreseeable.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 67):
Aer Lingus has said last year they were looking at another Florida city and another East Coast city for 2015.

Actualy the quote was "further expansion in Florida and another East Coast destination"
We hoped/assumed/guesses the now CEO meant another Florida city. But alas it was an increase from 3 ro 4x weekly o DUB-MCO.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:43 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 85):
Actualy the quote was "further expansion in Florida and another East Coast destination"

Actually, the quote was this: “We’ll be looking at Florida and possibly another gateway on the east coast”
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:12 pm

Just as a thought, there are a couple A330-301s stored that may be of use, c/n 200 and 203 (ex-Philippine) of a similar vintage to the 752s in use. Though being an older model of 300 may limit their ability in terms of the EI fleet somewhat, does anyone think that this avenue may as well be explored or am I just barking mad?
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:31 pm

Quoting A60Stock (Reply 87):
Just as a thought, there are a couple A330-301s stored that may be of use, c/n 200 and 203 (ex-Philippine) of a similar vintage to the 752s in use. Though being an older model of 300 may limit their ability in terms of the EI fleet somewhat, does anyone think that this avenue may as well be explored or am I just barking mad?

Not sure of the ex-Philippine A330s but the original A330-301s that Aer Lingus had were limited in that they couldn't have individual screens in each seat due to weight issues. If that remains the case I don't think these aircraft would be an option, not when Aer Lingus now features AVOD, a much larger Business Class seat and on board wifi.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:45 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 86):
Actually, the quote was this: “We’ll be looking at Florida and possibly another gateway on the east coast”

Ok so you got the exact quote, well done.
My point still stands that we assumed he meant another FL city, instead we got an increase in frequency.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:07 pm

Just a brief post regarding a recent flight this week and how EI can still deliver exceptional service against a backdrop of unsupportive policies within the company as well discussed on here; re catering etc.

Firstly - EI-EWR has been cleaned impressively. Some of the central high overheads in the Business cabin are scuffed or have the original outer material torn and the lights are looking fairly weathered - but the cabin itself is looking well and certainly acceptable. Perhaps that's just a by product of having the retrofit only 3 months ago but for now it's clean!

The Business class service on this TA flight was exceptional - 10/10. Interaction with passengers (or should we say ''guests'') was exceptional as was the overall service delivery; presentation of meals etc. The food offering was quite good; although the quality not excellent in some respects - benchmarking against a Domestic F medium haul sector with UA later that day.

Overall; everything was relatively faultless and was more akin to a First class experience. It's heartening to see such excellence against the backdrop of the points previously discussed on here.

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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 66):
A two stop UK DUB MIA Americas will not be competitive however.

Wouldn't pax also have to clear immigration twice - (i) in the US/DUB pre-clearance and (ii) at the final destination? Not a very attractive option unless you break up the journey and stay overnight in the MIA area.

In addition, if you are an expat from a Latin American or Caribbean nation in Europe and visiting home you may also need a US visa just to connect at MIA.

Quoting Miami (Reply 78):
I just don't see a OneWorld airline operating services in FLL when there's a OneWorld hub just south; MIA.

I would agree. I think Norwegian would be more likely to serve DUB-FLL.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 90):
Overall; everything was relatively faultless and was more akin to a First class experience. It's heartening to see such excellence against the backdrop of the points previously discussed on here.

Good feedback. When EI perform well they do very well. Lets hope more such experiences and consistency going forward with enhancements to the product under IAG.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:46 pm

Quoting greenjet (Reply 91):
Wouldn't pax also have to clear immigration twice - (i) in the US/DUB pre-clearance and (ii) at the final destination? Not a very attractive option unless you break up the journey and stay overnight in the MIA area.

With the exception of Puerto Rico, yes.

The US's lack of transfer facilities - I think LAX may have one for NZ but that's basically it - really kills what could be a quite lucrative business prospect as a Europe->Carribean transfer hub in MIA or even MSY/ATL really.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:46 pm

Anybody know why A332 EI-EWR is scheduled to operate the service to Amsterdam this evening?
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 83):
Alternatively, the extra 757 might be used to increase frequency on DUB-MCO and/or integrate it to launch a few times weekly SNN-MCO.

I think MCO is too far for the 752. I think Monarch did use to operate them to MCO, but with a fuel stop in Gander.

Quoting A60Stock (Reply 87):
Though being an older model of 300 may limit their ability in terms of the EI fleet somewhat, does anyone think that this avenue may as well be explored or am I just barking mad?

Older and potentially bring Philipines aircraft up to scratch might not be too easy. Im sure they are fine, but paperwrork could be an issue. I think EI will be looking for something newer and more capable.

Quoting shamrocka330 (Reply 94):
Anybody know why A332 EI-EWR is scheduled to operate the service to Amsterdam this evening?

Apparently cancellations in AMS due to weather and they are combining two flights. Interesting choice, at 271 the A332 doesn't hold many more than an A321, and certainly not enough for 2x A320 full, but they might be busy elsewhere and both flights might not have been full.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sat Jul 25, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 68):
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Quoting shamrocka330 (Reply 94):
Anybody know why A332 EI-EWR is scheduled to operate the service to Amsterdam this evening?

Big delays at AMS due to winds, lots of delays etc. The 606 diverted, the 607/608/609 were all cancelled, so lots of pax to get moving.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:55 am

Does EI have any plans to fit sharklets to their A320s? I've encountered many airlines on my travels over the past year (both flying and spotting) that are retrofitting.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:15 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 97):

Does EI have any plans to fit sharklets to their A320s? I've encountered many airlines on my travels over the past year (both flying and spotting) that are retrofitting.

I think most if not all of the Aer Lingus A320 fleet would need the wing reinforcement required for the sharklet retrofit, younger aircraft can get them installed in about two days as they come off the assembly line with the strong wing already installed but older frames need much longer, something like 2-3 weeks as both the outer wing and the centre wing box need the extra work. It's also worth noting that the weight gained from any reinforcement might not be worth it in the long term as the sharklets really come into their own on longer sectors which Aer Lingus don't have many of.

The entire short haul fleet was being looked at for replacement not so long ago, once part of IAG we may see more developments as IAG already has a larger A320neo and A320ceo order with plenty of options for more.
 
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RE: Irish 13/15: Waiting For Sunshine!

Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:08 am

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 97):
Does EI have any plans to fit sharklets to their A320s? I've encountered many airlines on my travels over the past year (both flying and spotting) that are retrofitting.

I think in future its a possibility. As new aircraft come in Im sure we will see them. With BA/VY/IB all having them being installed where possible it would seem more of a chance. Would look great especially if they were painted the same at the B757.

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