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Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:37 pm

 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:59 pm

It's not just the TSA.
How could the agent at the gate let the man board without a ticket? You can't board a plane without a seat assignment.
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:04 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 1):

   I'm surprised they even found out after all he did.
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:54 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 1):
It's not just the TSA.
How could the agent at the gate let the man board without a ticket? You can't board a plane without a seat assignment.

Definitely there were multiple failures here, but I'm concerned that if he got past the TSA, he somehow must have skirted the normal lines and perhaps found an area to walk through where no one was watching (i.e. between the bag X-ray machines).
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:58 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3):
Definitely there were multiple failures here, but I'm concerned that if he got past the TSA, he somehow must have skirted the normal lines and perhaps found an area to walk through where no one was watching (i.e. between the bag X-ray machines).

Actually, the 1st red flag was when he left his car unattended curbside at Terminal D

2nd red flag was how he got thru security

3rd red flag was how he boarded any plane without having a boarding pass.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:17 pm

~I witnessed on two separate occasions people stepping off a plane after the FA announced "You are onboard flight number 1234, en route to XXX,..."
They had gotten on the wrong airplane, and by extension had been let on the wrong airplane

~I witnessed once a man get through TSA without an ID. He showed credit cards, work credentials with his photo... Photo and names matched the boarding pass so he was let through

You'd think with all the screening points at an airport (your boarding pass is screened / checked at least three times before you board an airplane) these things could not happen.
Since they do, it's slightly concerning whether there are other gaping holes.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:36 pm

TSA has released a statement about last might., courtesy dallasnews.com


.... In a statement released shortly before 1 p.m. Monday, TSA Regional Public Affairs Manager Carrie Harmon says the agency is “reviewing the incident and is working closely with the airport, local law enforcement and stakeholders to ensure that all of our checkpoints at DFW reflect optimal security configurations.”

Says Harmon, “Immediately following this incident, TSA made adjustments to the DFW screening area and has added more barriers, and is working to identify other long-term solutions that may require physical adjustments to the area. As always, TSA continually evaluates checkpoint configurations and passenger flows at all our airports to ensure physical security.”
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:56 pm

Quoting jonathan-l (Reply 5):
~I witnessed once a man get through TSA without an ID. He showed credit cards, work credentials with his photo... Photo and names matched the boarding pass so he was let through

As far as I remember, you cannot refuse to present ID if you have one - but there should definitely be some procedure for lost or stolen documents. Previously one could refuse to present ID, undergo something like a cavity search and get through - but that is no longer the case. However loosing the document across the continent from your state DMV office should not result in a long walk across the Rockies - Amtrak ID requirements are weaker than those for air travel, but they may refuse transportation without ID; not sure about Greyhound
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:04 am

Well, if you just walk past people, you can do pretty much anything. The issue is whether they know you have done it, and then take action.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:25 am

Quoting jonathan-l (Reply 5):
~I witnessed once a man get through TSA without an ID. He showed credit cards, work credentials with his photo... Photo and names matched the boarding pass so he was let through

But in this case, he did not have a ticket, so he had no boarding pass!
So why was he let through.

Is it possible that the man had a boarding pass on his phone from a previous trip and when he scanned the phone the TSA agent just looked at the name and matched it with his ID?
Is it even possible that this may have happened? What happens to the mobile boarding pass stored in the passbook of an iPhone after the trip is over? Can it still be scanned later?
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:03 am

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 9):
Is it even possible that this may have happened? What happens to the mobile boarding pass stored in the passbook of an iPhone after the trip is over? Can it still be scanned later?

If you scan one from a previous date it won't validate. I've done it by accident before.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:10 am

Local news tonight said that dude's car sat unattended curbside at the international terminal upper level
for almost 30 minutes?!?!

Maybe the DFW airport police should spend more time patrolling the terminal approaches
and less time shooting radar on the West Airfield Drive   
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:11 am

Let's wait and see what the true story is ...this isn't it folks!

Hey, I'll be the first to say "OK, I'm wrong" ....but...


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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:11 am

He could have possibly obtained a gate pass from the ticket counter?

Was he arrested for going through TSA, boarding an aircraft without a ticket, or both?
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:15 am

Quoting Flymichael21 (Reply 13):
Was he arrested for going through TSA, boarding an aircraft without a ticket, or both?

All the airport has said so far is he was arrested for "criminal trespass"
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:21 am

FWIW:

I flew to HOU in 2014. I cleared customs, TSA, everything. Some 2 hours later, I walk up to the gate to get on my flight to MIA. The agent scans my pass, scans it again, then again. Turns out I was given the ol' "SSSS" status. Meaning I needed extra screening.

So after the 2+ HOURS of being in the airport, I had to be escorted by a TSA agent, form the gate to their screening area to get the extra check. By the time I made it back to the gate, my flight had left--the last flight of the day, mind you. This, after having been in the air for 14 consecutive hours in Y.

So I was pissed, naturally. I had to spend the night in Houston. Fortunately the awesome woman (same agent as mentioned above) at UA put me up in the HYATT AND gave me a first-class ticket to MIA the following evening. Thank you awesome woman at UA, the world needs more people like you...

To summarize...

Boy, the TSA can be so lax yet so strict at the same time. The exact same time.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:38 am

And the gate agent just let him pass with no ticket?

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 15):
FWIW:

I flew to HOU in 2014. I cleared customs, TSA, everything. Some 2 hours later, I walk up to the gate to get on my flight to MIA.

UA never flew HOU-MIA. Perhaps you mean IAH-MIA?

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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:52 am

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 15):
Some 2 hours later, I walk up to the gate to get on my flight to MIA. The agent scans my pass, scans it again, then again. Turns out I was given the ol' "SSSS" status. Meaning I needed extra screening.

So the airlines' system at the gate knew that you didn't get extra screening at the TSA check???

The gate agent had no idea that you did, or didn't get, extra screening by TSA!


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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:18 am

The answer is simple - FIRE those responsible for allowing this to occur!!!!!
Do these people not know that they are hired as SECURITY AGENTS to protect the travelling public and they obviously were NOT doing their job on this occasion. Get rid of them and hire staff WHO CARE ABOUT SAFETY!
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting LPDAL (Reply 16):

Whoops, thanks for that. In retrospect, my brain was darned sure at the time, that I was doing something wrong when I typed the "HOU", but funnily enough, I decided to ignore my brain, as I was darned sure I was right for typing the "HOU.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:23 am

Quoting bond007 (Reply 17):
So the airlines' system at the gate knew that you didn't get extra screening at the TSA check???

The gate agent had no idea that you did, or didn't get, extra screening by TSA!


Jimbo

It certainly was a WTF? kind of situation, but I was polite, patient, and it "landed" me a first-class ticket, a night in the Hyatt--with $75 worth of meal vouchers. So as a lesson to those who hit snags during travel: be a gentleman, and get compensated reciprocally.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:52 am

Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 18):
The answer is simple - FIRE those responsible for allowing this to occur!!!!!
Do these people not know that they are hired as SECURITY AGENTS to protect the travelling public and they obviously were NOT doing their job on this occasion. Get rid of them and hire staff WHO CARE ABOUT SAFETY!

Why not investigate what happened and improve things so it doesn't happen again? Firing the people involved in this incident makes the investigation more difficult and does little to prevent future occurrences.

Why do so many people on this forum always want to FIRE someone whenever they make a mistake?
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:45 am

After completing so many of these TSA checkpoints, I can honestly say that the system is completely ineffective. It seems to penalise those that are genuine travellers, and those that want to get through without a check will usually do it anyway, if not by avoiding a checkpoint, or by getting in some other way.

These checkpoints cannot possibly be a line of defence, but more than likely a line of bodies able to intimidate and deter any possible opportunists.

The differences in scanning procedures from one point to another is comical. I had a regular mini bic lighter taken from inside my bag in Denver, whilst accidentally having another in my pocket. When I asked why the lighter was being taken, it was dangerous. Matches however, together with 100ml of alcohol based scent are apparently no problem. In what universe does that make sense?

Also, why are pre-clearance checkpoints so much more strict than those within the US? Do they have different standards?

I have inadvertently used boarding passes from weeks before, and not been flagged, when I realised, and went back to get it "signed off", I was then subjected to rudeness, and the dreaded "SSSS" search. It will be the last time I make that mistake of either presenting the wrong pass, or going back.

Naturally I also realise that the job may just be the most demoralising and repetitive job ever invented. So after checking so many passengers in a day, its no wonder mistakes happen. I feel for these people, but I still think the best line of defence are other travellers noticing anomalies, or people going against the flow, and calling it out. Never ever assume everyone has good intentions, and keep your eyes open.
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:26 am

Quoting copter808 (Reply 21):
Why do so many people on this forum always want to FIRE someone whenever they make a mistake?

Because this is not just "any" old mistake. This is bloody serious !

The people who were directly responsible for this guys entry onboard without a ticket, should all go, from the beginning to the end, they are obviously not up to the job.

Quoting qm001 (Reply 22):
Naturally I also realise that the job may just be the most demoralising and repetitive job ever invented.

Not so. these types of security breaches don't happen in other parts of the world, at least not to the extent they happen in the US. and on such regular occurrence.
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:33 am

Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 18):
The answer is simple - FIRE those responsible for allowing this to occur!!!!!
Do these people not know that they are hired as SECURITY AGENTS to protect the travelling public and they obviously were NOT doing their job on this occasion. Get rid of them and hire staff WHO CARE ABOUT SAFETY!

Let's be clear you must also mean the gate agent of the airline, not just the TSA. If this person did in fact board the plane, then he also somehow bypassed the gate agent. Like I said, it doesn't sound like we have the full story here!

Quoting qm001 (Reply 22):
I have inadvertently used boarding passes from weeks before, and not been flagged, when I realised, and went back to get it "signed off", I was then subjected to rudeness, and the dreaded "SSSS" search. It will be the last time I make that mistake of either presenting the wrong pass, or going back.

AFAIK, you haven't been able to do this for a number of years, ever since they have been scanning the boarding passes.


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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:16 am

Quoting jonathan-l (Reply 5):
~I witnessed once a man get through TSA without an ID. He showed credit cards, work credentials with his photo... Photo and names matched the boarding pass so he was let through

About a year ago, I flew from BOS to BWI. When I was exiting the garage in a rental car, I pulled out my wallet to show my driver’s license to the attendant and realized that I didn’t have it with me, and that I must have left it at the TSA checkpoint in BOS. The rental car company had my license on file and let me take the car (thankfully!), but I had no idea how I was going to get though BWI TSA on my return the next day. When I got to my hotel, I called BOS TSA. They were amazingly helpful and efficient. They had my license and told me that I’d be able to get through TSA on my return because “they had other ways to identify me.” Sure enough, the next day I explained the situation and presented other documentation on my return through BWI and got through without a problem. It may have helped that I'm a frequent flyer and had a Known Traveler Number. Honestly, the whole event was non-eventful and amazingly un-TSA like.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:04 pm

Quoting hinckley (Reply 25):
because “they had other ways to identify me.”

Yes, a photo ID is not required.

"... Passengers need at least two alternate forms of identification, such as a social security card, birth certificate, marriage license, or credit card. The documents must bear the name of the passenger. Also, one of these documents must bear identification information containing one of the following: photo, address, phone number, social security number, or date of birth. If TSA can confirm the passenger’s identity, they may enter the secured area, but they could be subject to additional screening. "


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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:16 pm

The gate agent has to be disciplined.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:56 pm

When I lived in Dallas and flew in and out of Terminal D at DFW I noticed that it was not uncommon for someone to park
their car curbside in front of the upstairs departure area and go inside to do whatever they had to do, leaving the car unoccupied and unattended for sometimes up to 20 to 30 minutes before a police officer noticed that it was there. As another poster mentioned, DFW really needs to beef up their police presence curbside.

I now fly out of MIA and there is no way an unoccupied vehicle could sit outside a terminal for more than 10 minutes without
being noticed by security.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:45 pm

Quoting DXBDFWHGA (Reply 27):
I now fly out of MIA and there is no way an unoccupied vehicle could sit outside a terminal for more than 10 minutes without
being noticed by security.

Heck, at SEA-TAC the cop on duty barely lets you stop long enough to collect your passenger LOL
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:45 pm

Reading the article it seems he did not actually get on board any flights. Quote: "Sunday night, a 26-year-old man drove to the airport, ditched his car at the curb and went inside. Sans ticket, he went through a TSA checkpoint — and was let through. At that point, airport officials say in a statement, he “boarded a plane without a ticket.”

What is baffling is that how they have all these details, yet ... "But we still don’t know the name of the impacted airline — or, for that matter, the suspect’s name." WTF?!   
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting b727fan (Reply 30):
What is baffling is that how they have all these details, yet ... "But we still don’t know the name of the impacted airline — or, for that matter, the suspect’s name." WTF?!   

Well, by 8pm or so on Sunday evening, the only remaining flights in Terminal D are AA with the single exception
of QF8 , that departs around 1020pm
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:37 pm

I wonder if the car was a rental? Seems like the guy must be suffering from mental illness.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:00 pm

Here's an updated story on dallasnews.com with the police report...

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015...t-being-stopped-by-tsa-agent.html/
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:07 pm

Interesting variety of comments here. I was walking through the airport today and saw utter bedlam at several gates. The airport, IMHO, is simply not designed well, with the exception of Terminal D. Even in the newly renovated part of Terminal A, there were throngs of people waiting to board that extended completely across the walkway. There isn't any excuse for what happened, but with the sheer volume of people flying, I understand how it could. I have a more difficult time understanding how the TSA could let this person through than with the gate agents. My observation of the TSA is that, sometimes, there are so many employees yelling at the pax to remove this and that and coordinating body searches and directing people into different lines, that someone could at least possibly slip by without a boarding pass. I don't find it impossible that at the moment he should have shown it, the TSA person was distracted in some way. As per the agents, again, no excuse, but I can certainly see how this could happen. Two agents for a full 737 perhaps? A dozen people around the counter, the jetway door open, but boarding not yet commenced, so no one manning the boarding pass scanner. But again, if it were manned, again, any kind of distraction might cause this to happen. A few weeks ago I was helping a gentleman find his seat and he had been scanned on the wrong flight. I am, quite honestly, surprised this doesn't happen more often. There are so many people flying (check out the security line in ATL at 6am!) that some break down is inevitable. We don't check boarding passes as people get on the plane any more. Some kind of layer needs to be added perhaps.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:11 pm

Let me add one more comment upon reading and thinking a bit further. This guy was going on an INTERNATIONAL flight. So that would be in Terminal D and additional screening should have been in place both at gate and at security. No excuse. Period. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't international flights get more gate staffing or is it strictly by aircraft size?
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:05 am

Put on a yellow vest and piggyback through the sida door. It's very easy, you probably don't even need the yellow vest. Just act like you've been there before.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:46 am

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 35):
This guy was going on an INTERNATIONAL flight. So that would be in Terminal D and additional screening should have been in place both at gate and at security.

I have not encountered any additional screening at security when traveling international. The agent simply checks the ID and boarding pass at security. But by default I always show my passport for identification when traveling overseas instead of my driver's license.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:13 am

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 37):

I have not encountered any additional screening when leaving the U.S. on international flights either, only on domestic flights.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting b727fan (Reply 30):
What is baffling is that how they have all these details, yet ... "But we still don’t know the name of the impacted airline — or, for that matter, the suspect’s name."

Yes, this is probably not what happened at all - a poorly written and researched story!

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 34):
We don't check boarding passes as people get on the plane any more.

Who doesn't ???

Quoting ozark1 (Reply 34):
My observation of the TSA is that, sometimes, there are so many employees yelling at the pax to remove this and that and coordinating body searches and directing people into different lines, that someone could at least possibly slip by without a boarding pass.

I fly around 100 flights/year and can't remember going anywhere where there is not a dedicated TSA agent at each line checking boarding passes. Quite possible of course ...but I'll say it again ....this ain't the whole story  


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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:20 am

In reply to copter808, a number of "mistakes" were made in the USA on the morning of 9/11 - let's not forget that and ensure that these mistakes are not made again! That's why I say fire them!!
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:38 am

Why do you guys think the only way this guy gets into the Terminal is through security? Do you honestly believe this is the only way?
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:43 am

It's certainly the only way in Australia where I live. Security is taken very seriously here, as it should be.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:44 am

Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 42):
It's certainly the only way in Australia where I live. Security is taken very seriously here, as it should be.

You don't think there are any doors, hallways, or tunnels that employees have access to? That may take 4-5 seconds to close as the employee is checking his phone and walking?
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:57 am

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 41):
Why do you guys think the only way this guy gets into the Terminal is through security? Do you honestly believe this is the only way?

Because the article below states that he was caught on the airport security checkpoint camera walking right through security..

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 33):

Here's an updated story on dallasnews.com with the police report...

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015...t-being-stopped-by-tsa-agent.html/
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:25 am

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 15):
Boy, the TSA can be so lax yet so strict at the same time. The exact same time.
Quoting qm001 (Reply 22):

The differences in scanning procedures from one point to another is comical. I had a regular mini bic lighter taken from inside my bag in Denver, whilst accidentally having another in my pocket. When I asked why the lighter was being taken, it was dangerous. Matches however, together with 100ml of alcohol based scent are apparently no problem. In what universe does that make sense?

And this is the biggest failing of the TSA...no standards, make up the rules as you go along according to whatever high school dropout agent you get that day.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:47 pm

Quoting bond007 (Reply 26):
"... Passengers need at least two alternate forms of identification, such as a social security card, birth certificate, marriage license, or credit card. The documents must bear the name of the passenger. Also, one of these documents must bear identification information containing one of the following: photo, address, phone number, social security number, or date of birth. If TSA can confirm the passenger’s identity, they may enter the secured area, but they could be subject to additional screening. "

Interesting! Did not know that.
 
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:50 pm

Quoting Jetstar315 (Reply 40):
In reply to copter808, a number of "mistakes" were made in the USA on the morning of 9/11 - let's not forget that and ensure that these mistakes are not made again!

What mistakes did airport screeners make on 9/11?
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BooDog
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 33):
Here's an updated story on dallasnews.com with the police report...

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015...html/

He got through the gate agent by running past the agent. The agent did her job by notifying the pilot that somebody boarded the plane without a ticket. The system worked on the airline's end.
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RE: Man Boards Plane At DFW Without A Ticket

Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:25 pm

Quoting jonathan-l (Reply 5):


~I witnessed once a man get through TSA without an ID. He showed credit cards, work credentials with his photo.

Quoting kalvado (Reply 7):
As far as I remember, you cannot refuse to present ID if you have one - but there should definitely be some procedure for lost or stolen documents. Previously one could refuse to present ID, undergo something like a cavity search and get through - but that is no longer the case.


For domestic flight you do not need an ID. TSA will make you uncomfortable if you don't have one and make you answer questions to establish your identity. They have at times neglected to follow their own rules in this regard. Like the African-American mute stroke victim. Multiple potential civil rights violation there.

Quoting qm001 (Reply 22):


I have inadvertently used boarding passes from weeks before, and not been flagged, when I realised, and went back to get it "signed off", I was then subjected to rudeness, and the dreaded "SSSS" search. It will be the last time I make that mistake of either presenting the wrong pass, or going back.


Don't ever go back. Don't ever give TSA an excuse to penalize you.

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