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LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:14 pm

Saw US VP Joe Biden and NY Gov Andrew Cuomo make a series of announcements and reveals today about a top down renovation of LGA. Very comprehensive. Runways stay, but everything else changes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/live-vi...e-announcement-in-nyc-322524227825
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:54 pm

now PANYNJ needs to announce that the perimeter rule will also be a thing of the past.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:11 pm

What are the chances this thing is done on budget and on time?
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 2):
What are the chances this thing is done on budget and on time?

In New York? I'd say somewhere between 0 and 0.0
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:18 pm

And the Mafia cheers.... 

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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:22 pm

http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/27/90...ardia-airport-replacement-newyork

They're claiming that the project will take just 18 months to complete!

[Edited 2015-07-27 13:29:51]
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:36 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 5):
They're claiming that the project will take just 18 months to complete!

I would be surprised if this project even gets off the ground (no pun intended), let alone is completed in 18 months.
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 5):
They're claiming that the project will take just 18 months to complete!

The Verge might as well be a tabloid after Josh Topolsky left. Bloomberg is saying 39 months. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...a-consolidate-terminals-cuomo-says

Let me be the optimist and say 7 years at $6-7 billion. I'll never forget my first trip to LGA watching union workers load one brick into a bucket, raise it up, lay the brick, lower the bucket back down and repeat. No wonder nothing gets done in NY.
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:45 pm

Rest assured, whatever they do, it will open before the new Berlin airport does...
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:59 pm

Quoting stburke (Reply 7):
Bloomberg is saying 39 months. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...-says

In the video portion of the article, the gentleman anchor all but dismisses EWR as not being relevant and/or convenient for NYC travelers. For me, JFK is actually closer but for many in the tri-state area, that is not the case. I also disagree with the other anchor's suggestion to decommission LGA while having JFK absorb what's left over. I just don't think that that is feasible.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:19 pm

I think that 18 months in the verge article is a misquote I think it supposed to start in 18 months!

there's no way it will be done in 18 months every terminall is being knocked down
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:21 pm

Oh and for my friend STT
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:28 pm

Any drawings or plans available? The video and article were really vague on any visual concepts (beyond the central terminal rebuild, which we already knew). Also, how and why is DL getting into this, as they have pretty decent terminals?
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:29 pm

Here is a link to the renderings...check out the bridges connecting the terminals!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/governo...andrewcuomo/sets/72157654099192464
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:31 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 8):

Rest assured, whatever they do, it will open before the new Berlin airport does...

Well said sir!

What does this to to PFC's?
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:32 pm

They didn't say 18 months. They said the initial construction will last 39 months with all construction to end within 18 months thereafter. That's almost 5 years.

Also, the anchorman was being facetious about how hard it is to get to Newark. He basically said "you have to go over a bridge" which I saw as "tongue-in-cheek".
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:33 pm

Quoting ajsljet45 (Reply 13):
Here is a link to the renderings...check out the bridges connecting the terminals!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/governo...andrewcuomo/sets/72157654099192464

Wow.

Well it's about time. Airports in this country are looking more and more outdated as years go on. At the same time airports around the world are looking more like spaceports.

[Edited 2015-07-27 14:34:16]
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:35 pm

Ahhhh. If they're going for that kind of concept, that makes sense. Almost looks like mini-satellites for the gate areas. They're completely redoing the central terminal plans though, if the drawings are accurate. Thanks ajsljet!

[Edited 2015-07-27 14:37:13]
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:50 pm

Quoting A332DTW (Reply 16):
Wow.

I second that. Beautiful design.

Does any other airport have such a design? Connecting the central terminal to the gates is a fantastic concept to help alleviate crowding in the alleyways.

Also quite interesting that the terminal will be moved up 600 feet closer to Grand Central. Where will parking go?

Hopelessly optimistic that this gets done relatively close to budget, and relatively quickly.

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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:54 pm

What's to become of the brand new parking garage going up in front of Delta's terminal C right now?
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:57 pm

and yet it still won't solve all the delays the 3 big airports have because LGA's airspace is right in the middle.

Why don't they use that money and invest in JFK, expand it's capacity and turn LGA into a water front property residential/park/office space?? You'd make enough money selling that land to developers and recover the cost of the JFK expansion.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:00 pm

Looks great; will the airport be kept open all through this, or will airlines have to transfer their traffic to other airports at certain times/periods of the reconstruction?

Also, will the rebuild give LGA any capacity boost over the existing terminals?
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:01 pm

Quoting ezra (Reply 19):
What's to become of the brand new parking garage going up in front of Delta's terminal C right now?

Kind of looks like they will build the terminal above it.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 18):
Hopelessly optimistic that this gets done relatively close to budget, and relatively quickly.

In any US public project, the *baseline* expectation should be double the cost and double the timeframe and half the output.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:12 pm

Quoting adtall (Reply 12):
Also, how and why is DL getting into this, as they have pretty decent terminals?

I would be interested in hearing about that also. Is DL paying for Terminals C and D to be included in this redevelopment?

Quoting ajsljet45 (Reply 13):
Here is a link to the renderings...check out the bridges connecting the terminals!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/governo...andrewcuomo/sets/72157654099192464

Now that is what a NYC airport should look like. Beautiful design. Am I correct in saying that the pedestrian bridges will not be tall enough for airplanes to pass beneath? Not that it matters, of course.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:13 pm

Wonder where parking is going to be?
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:21 pm

Awesome plans. From the one image it appears as if the MAT will be converted to a biz jet terminal of some sort, good use for that space if I'm guessing right.
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:27 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 18):
Hopelessly optimistic that this gets done relatively close to budget, and relatively quickly.

Can anyone say "Berlin Zwei"? I can't see this being done anywhere near budget, either in dollars nor time. I hope I am wrong, I truly do, but airport projections don't have the best track records.
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:28 pm

I see the "AirTrain" sign in the renderings and can't help wondering if Cuomo's proposed detour to go see a Met's game is going to stick...
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:29 pm

Quoting adtall (Reply 12):

Any drawings or plans available? The video and article were really vague on any visual concepts (beyond the central terminal rebuild, which we already knew). Also, how and why is DL getting into this, as they have pretty decent terminals?

Here's from the NY state website:

http://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gove...rmative-redesign-laguardia-airport
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting varsity (Reply 25):
Wonder where parking is going to be?

airtrain will be going to shea/willets, which has plenty of space for parking garages. i wonder what will happen with all of the existing free under-bridge parking. going to a mets game won't be as cheap once this is done.

the airtrain could have been elevated over the GCP/BQE to roosevelt ave/jackson heights and 74th street. this would have enabled connections to E, F, M, R and - more importantly - shaved 10-15 minutes off of a one way trip from manhattan via the 7 train. the ride from grand central to shea isn't quick, even on the express.

that being said, i think shea was selected because the corridor from LGA to the existing station is a lot less built up. i can see how it's an easier build. all of the infamous chop shops in the area can now be cleaned up and turned into airport parking.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:43 pm

Where would money come from?
$4B for the first phase, "half from private funding" probably means DL. What about rest? NYS is in debt, and Cuomo is struggling badly to fund Tapan Zee bridge - so nothing from the state. PANYNJ? They didn't even approve the project yet. More federal debt?...
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:47 pm

Quote:

LaGuardia Gateway Partners, the private investor, will contribute $2 billion and the Port Authority $1 billion to fund the project, which promises premier shopping, dining and business amenities; additional parking with a cell phone lot; and capacity for a hotel and rail connecting LaGuardia Airport to the subway

Looks like a group of private investors.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting Sightseer (Reply 24):
Am I correct in saying that the pedestrian bridges will not be tall enough for airplanes to pass beneath?

Well, if you looked at the second picture, you'd see an airplane passing underneath. So it appears at this time that planes WILL be passing under. Of course, as the true cost becomes known, guess what will go first?
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 39):
True, but there are so few brand airport terminals in recent years that's publicly funded for comparison

Wouldn't JFK T4 be a better comparison? On time JFK T4.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:57 pm

looking at the photos where are the hangers? Are all three AA hangers gone to? I guess all maintenance will be done out
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting stburke (Reply 35):
Wikipedia says $2 billion over at cost of $4.8 billion but I remember it being north of $5 billion for some reason.

You're including the cost of throwing out the brand new baggage system  
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:05 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 41):

Wouldn't JFK T4 be a better comparison? On time JFK T4.

I recall DL chipping in a good chunk of money for T4. Whether it's the majority of funds I don't know.

Unless the "new LGA" is majority funded by airline money (and the construction actually administered and overseen by the airlines not the PANYNJ), I wouldn't necessarily draw the parallel. The efficiency difference between private corporate funds and public funds is staggering.

JFK T4 was also a bit easier - just building a concourse extension into empty space. The "new LGA" is essentially a new structure over the existing space while keeping the airport operating at near 100% capacity, a much more monumental task.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:11 pm

It looks nice, but the chances of getting a project this large completed on time and on budget (especially in New York) are exactly zero.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 44):
I recall DL chipping in a good chunk of money for T4. Whether it's the majority of funds I don't know.

2 billion of the funding for this project is from private investment. That's at least half. Different sources are reporting different numbers.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 44):
JFK T4 was also a bit easier - just building a concourse extension into empty space. The "new LGA" is essentially a new structure over the existing space while keeping the airport operating at near 100% capacity, a much more monumental task.

That's nice. It's a major terminal renovation in New York City that was both on budget and on time. Which is far more relevant than what happened in Denver 20 years ago.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:32 pm

Apparently, Delta has already made some changes to help initiate the overhaul. The runways stay as is, but everything else changes.

See the link below from the Delta NEWS Hub:

http://news.delta.com/ny-delta-partner-lga-redevelopment
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:38 pm

The Delta article also says this( about JFK):

He [Cuomo] also announced that the Saarinen building (formerly the TWA terminal) at New York-JFK will be reconfigured into a hotel.

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 47):
http://news.delta.com/ny-delta-partner-lga-redevelopment
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:58 pm

With the same two intersecting 7000 foot runways and no additional taxiway or ramp space, this entire thing is essentially just a jobs program.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:08 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 8):

That could be 100 years!
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting goboeing (Reply 49):
With the same two intersecting 7000 foot runways and no additional taxiway or ramp space, this entire thing is essentially just a jobs program.

Huh? It's a modernization program. One the airport is sorely in need of. And they should actually gain ramp space. The new terminal is being built over the parking lots that sit between LGA and the Grand Central Parkway. Compare the renderings to the current layout.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:20 am

So if they're building the new landside terminal where the parking lots currently are then I foresee this being very similar to the redevelopment at MDW. They'll build the main terminal in front of the existing one, open temporary walkways to the existing concourses, then build the new concourses as they tear down bits of the old ones. I was young when they redid MDW but I remember the whole thing being fairly smooth without any major issues (aside from the annoyance of walking from the new terminal to the far end of the old B gates which I remember vividly) so I don't forsee this being a disaster waiting to happen as some others might.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 52):
So if they're building the new landside terminal where the parking lots currently are then I foresee this being very similar to the redevelopment at MDW. They'll build the main terminal in front of the existing one, open temporary walkways to the existing concourses, then build the new concourses as they tear down bits of the old ones. I was young when they redid MDW but I remember the whole thing being fairly smooth without any major issues (aside from the annoyance of walking from the new terminal to the far end of the old B gates which I remember vividly) so I don't forsee this being a disaster waiting to happen as some others might.

The replacement of the old IAB with the current Terminal 4 worked similarly. It was messy while it happened, but it seems to have worked out okay. Does anybody call if that project got done on or close to schedule/cost?
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:32 am

In the picture showing the MAT and the water front, there's a yellow boat with "LGA Express". It looks almost like a ferry boat. Is that an existing service, or something new planned with the modernization project? (I haven't been to LGA in several years, so you'll have to excuse me.)
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:35 am

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 54):
In the picture showing the MAT and the water front, there's a yellow boat with "LGA Express". It looks almost like a ferry boat. Is that an existing service, or something new planned with the modernization project? (I haven't been to LGA in several years, so you'll have to excuse me.)

There has been. I took it once. Went from LGA to the Financial District. Not sure if it is currently running.
 
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RE: LGA Full Renovation Announcement

Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:38 am

So where will people park after the new terminal is completed? The illustrations don't show parking.

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