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Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:21 am

http://www.zinfos974.com/Ste-Suzanne...oujours-pas-identifiee_a88435.html

Aircraft flap part found on the shoreline in La Réunion.
Article in French but the photos are interesting, any guesses on the aircraft type?

Looks like an inboard flap section.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:45 am

Some of the comments refer to MH370.

Is this possible?.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:46 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
Some of the comments refer to MH370.

Is this possible?.

Looks like it's been in the water for some time
 
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:44 pm

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 3):
More pictures:

http://www.zinfos974.com/Morceau-d-a...uve-L-enquete-commence_a88445.html

I guess it wont't be long until one of us will identify the aircraft type.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:45 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
Some of the comments refer to MH370.

Is this possible?.

Technically, the currents could have brought it there.
It would be rather interesting if that was the case... I'm pretty sure they'll find a part number and serial number on it, we should know soon...
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting chuchoteur (Thread starter):
Aircraft flap part found on the shoreline in La Réunion.
Article in French but the photos are interesting, any guesses on the aircraft type?

This is very significant indeed.

I am by no means an expert, but it does not appear terribly large in the photo with the men holding it, even if it is a partial structure. Given the taper in the shot where it's laying on the ground, the rubber seal, the rivet line pattern and the rib in the first picture in the original link, couldn't this be part of the B777 inboard aileron/flaperon?

[Edited 2015-07-29 06:23:48]
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:24 pm

Looks quite different to a 777 inboard...

http://infinityair.com/inventory/images/113W2700-14_sm.jpg

[Edited 2015-07-29 06:25:06]
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:27 pm

Why isn't international media reporting this? You don't just find bits of aircraft washed up on beaches without some form of explanation.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:48 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 7):

Looks quite different to a 777 inboard...

I agree, it actually looks more like a 747 inboard aileron

http://aviation.stackexchange.com/qu...-the-purpose-of-an-inboard-aileron
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:53 pm

Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 9):
I agree, it actually looks more like a 747 inboard aileron

Because of the location, I was wondering whether there is the slightest chance it belongs to the SA 747 that crashed not "too far" from the Island? I know it's quite far fetched, but still... since it spent quite some time in the water.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:04 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 10):
I know it's quite far fetched, but still... since it spent quite some time in the water.

Does seem almost impossible for it to be floating around for almost 30 years, but yeah the location of that downed aircraft would make sense. Still 30 years just seems far fetched to be floating around but i don't claim to know the science of that.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:21 pm

On http://www.zinfos974.com/St-Andre-L-...oujours-pas-identifiee_a88435.html
we see leading edge de-icing tubing. So I suspect this is either a part of the wing or (more probable) it's a horizontal stabilizer.
On the second picture there is some kind of guiding, so maybe it's a trimmable horizontal stabilizer.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:26 pm

It has way too much of an airfoil to be part of a horizontal stab or elevator. Perhaps I should say too much camber. It's part of a wing or most likely flap/high speed aileron.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:31 pm

B777 Flaperon:

http://img5.picload.org/image/ipdgigd/unbenannt.png

Images from http://www.zinfos974.com:

http://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/default/8078414-12590396.jpg?v=1438169900

http://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/default/8077714-12589135.jpg?v=1438160455
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:37 pm

There's no way that's been in the water 30 years...id say a year ish...there not much in the photos to give any scale
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:41 pm

Hard to believe CNN, etc have not picked up on this story.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:42 pm

May all come to nothing but...current would have brought this from a location due east
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:43 pm

The trailing edge damage could imply a controlled ditching.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:50 pm

Presumably the ocean currents could be analyzed to see if it could tie in with the MH crash
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 14):
B777 Flaperon:

Looks like a good call!  Wow!
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:58 pm

Hopefully this is part of the MH aircraft.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:00 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 14):
B777 Flaperon:

That looks really similar. Considering the thinner end of the flap is a bit shredded...especially this rusty square structure visible on the side looks very similar to the one you posted.

I'm no expert on flaps, so don't know if that's a common feature or unique to the 777.
I guess we will have to wait, can't be long until they have the aircraft type from the dimensions and then hopefully there's a serial number or something inside that will identify where it came from.

Quite surprising indeed that no news outlets have picked this up yet...
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 14):

Man, that's well spotted!   
I'm quite excited now.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:06 pm

Would be disappointing if it was actually from an Air France or Air Austral 777 flying from/to RUN.

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 22):
Quite surprising indeed that no news outlets have picked this up yet...

I also find this surprising. A lot of news organizations prioritize being first to report a big story over accuracy.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting zkojq (Reply 24):
Would be disappointing if it was actually from an Air France or Air Austral 777 flying from/to RUN.

Apparently the piece is 2x1 meters, or so it says in one of the articles on that website...I guess we would've heard by now if a 777 lost such a big part on a flight.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:10 pm

French newspaper lepoint is running with the story.


http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/un-debri...-reunion-29-07-2015-1953394_24.php

Three possibilities.

2006 crash
a310 Yemenia in Comoros
MH370
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:28 pm

Do parts like this have etched serial numbers?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 14):
B777 Flaperon:

Despite the damage, it matches the drawing very well. Could it feasibly be from another aircraft or is the 777 flaperon unique?

Although this MAY be part of 9M-MRO will it have any bearing on the search area/investigation? Bearing in mind it has been well over a year since the aircraft went missing, parts could be floating through the ocean travelling thousands of miles on the currents.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:30 pm

Good thing about flaps and other flight controls is that hav serial numbers stamped on them. You just need to look up the maintenance records of 9M-MRO. Or other missing large aircraft to see where it comes from.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:40 pm

If it's from MH370 La Reunion would be a very logical place for the find, after all it's one of the nearest points of land west from the area where MH370 went lost.

I really really hope it's from MH370, I've been wondering when some parts would show up...
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:46 pm

From twitter, another comparison between one of the photos and the 777 flaperon, that again shows VERY striking similarities:

https://twitter.com/PeurAvion/status/626391215349612544/photo/1
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:46 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
I really really hope it's from MH370, I've been wondering when some parts would show up...

Yes, I think it will help to debunk all those conspiracy theories about it landing on some island.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:49 pm

Here is another publication found on a French blog speculating that the part could origin from MH370:

http://blog-peuravion.fr/2015/07/a-t...ouve-les-premiers-debris-du-mh370/
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:50 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 28):
Although this MAY be part of 9M-MRO will it have any bearing on the search area/investigation?

Well, if this proved to be a part of the Malaysian 777, it would at the very least dispel the hypothesis that some still have that this flight flew north rather than south into the Indian Ocean. It could also give indications as to the nature of the impact on the water.
 
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:57 pm

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 27):

Do parts like this have etched serial numbers?

Yes, it will show what type it comes from, and the S/N can be matched to the aircraft. Often its done with a marker pen.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:09 pm

Is there any info on how far away the flap was from the water when it was found? From the photos it doesn't seem very close to the ocean
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:12 pm

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 18):
could imply a controlled ditching.

Could it be from the Ethiopian jet that ditched off the east coast of Africa? That happened in relatively shallow waters!
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:13 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 26):
a310 Yemenia in Comoros

This is a reasonable preposition. Can anyone show us a picture of an A310 flaperon? Just to compare?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:15 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 38):
Could it be from the Ethiopian jet that ditched off the east coast of Africa? That happened in relatively shallow waters!

Both Yemenia A310 and the Ethiopian jet crashed / ditched near the Comoro islands. Madagascar is directly between the Comoros and La Reunion, because of that I think MH370 is a much more likely possibility.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:17 pm

Why hasn't anyone brought up Amelia Earhart?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 40):
MH370 is a much more likely possibility.

French expert claims it is most likely from MH 370 - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ches-Malaysia-Airlines-flight.html

If this is true then will the search intensify?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:20 pm

I think the main title is misleading as nobody's able yet to say if this is an aircraft flap or any other part...
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 40):
Both Yemenia A310 and the Ethiopian jet crashed / ditched near the Comoro islands. Madagascar is directly between the Comoros and La Reunion, because of that I think MH370 is a much more likely possibility.

Quite; and the Mozambique / Agulhas current runs North - South all the way to the Cape from there.

 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting airproxx (Reply 43):
I think the main title is misleading as nobody's able yet to say if this is an aircraft flap or any other part...

It very much looks like a part from a wing of a 777.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:28 pm

As said regarding the Yemenia crash and Ethiopian ditching, Madagascar is in between towards the west, while this is also said to be found on the North-Eastern coast of Reunion...with apparently currents flowing from east to west there?
Take note though that this spot where it's found (Saint Andre) is right under the flightpath into and out of RUN airport...

[Edited 2015-07-29 09:31:20]
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:28 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 42):
French expert claims it is most likely from MH 370

LOL !!! Xavier Tytelman is no expert at all. He runs a business in France to help people getting rid of their air transport phobia. But even my grand mother knows better aviation than he does!
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:31 pm

Here's a larger map of ocean currents. Potentially carrying the debris westward across the northern Indian Ocean and then back south again.

http://www.geography.hunter.cuny.edu...s/3.temperature/ocean_currents.htm
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting ajsljet45 (Reply 37):
Is there any info on how far away the flap was from the water when it was found? From the photos it doesn't seem very close to the ocean


They most likely moved it inland a little bit to examine and take pictures. You can see the mountains in the background, which suggests that the pictures were taken facing inland with the sea behind.

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