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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:34 pm

Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 46):
Take note though that this spot where it's found (Saint Andre) is right under the flightpath into and out of RUN airport...

Have any aircraft ever lost a flapperon inbound/outbound of RUN? Surely thats something we would be able to verify pretty quickly.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:39 pm

Occam's Razor people. If this isn't the flaperon of MH370, I would be shocked. Too many coincidences would be needed for this not to be the case at this point.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:41 pm

Quoting spinkid (Reply 16):

Just broke the news on TV
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting AAexecplat (Reply 51):
Occam's Razor people. If this isn't the flaperon of MH370, I would be shocked.

If it is indeed part of a 777 wing, then it coming from MH370 would be the most likely explanation. It will also disappoint authors of some of the more fanciful theories as to the fate of MH370.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 53):

If it is indeed part of a 777 wing, then it coming from MH370 would be the most likely explanation. It will also disappoint authors of some of the more fanciful theories as to the fate of MH370.

And I couldn't be more satisfied about that.

(They'll come up with an explanation about all this being a false flag in no time anyway so I'm keeping my euphoria suppressed   )

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:48 pm

The profile of the part appears very different to what we see of the 777 inboard flaps. It looks from a more stubby wing perhaps a military aircraft. The news channels have started their circus... all that is needed is for a 777 maintenance engineer to have a look and say yes or no.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:50 pm

Aren't here some Boeing engineers or 777 MX people who can identify the part? Or tell us that it is not a 777 part, but at least give a definitive answer.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:52 pm

Quoting CARST (Reply 56):
Aren't here some Boeing engineers or 777 MX people who can identify the part? Or tell us that it is not a 777 part, but at least give a definitive answer.

Precisely... A very simple solution instead of getting every so called expert under the sun to voice his or her opinion
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:53 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 55):
The profile of the part appears very different to what we see of the 777 inboard flaps. It looks from a more stubby wing perhaps a military aircraft. The news channels have started their circus... all that is needed is for a 777 maintenance engineer to have a look and say yes or no.

Look upthread a little. Not a flap, but a flaperon. Someone already did that work for you...no need to speculate.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:54 pm

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 2):
Looks like it's been in the water for some time

I disagree depending on what you mean by "for some time." I would think if it were say 10+ years, it would look a lot different. This is about what I would expect for something to be in the water for about a year.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:55 pm

Whatever it's from, one might expect this to be part of a debris field. Perhaps other bits of wreckage could wash up in the weeks to come.
 
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting AAexecplat (Reply 58):
Look upthread a little. Not a flap, but a flaperon. Someone already did that work for you...no need to speculate

Yes sorry for the wrong terminology but the observation still stands. The flaperon on the 777 looks far thinner than this component.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting lugie (Reply 54):
(They'll come up with an explanation about all this being a false flag in no time anyway so I'm keeping my euporia suppressed   )

Yeah, the conspiracy theorists will just claim that the aircraft landed at Diego Garcia and then it was blown apart and thrown into ocean to fake the evidence... Arguing with those people is waste of time.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:08 pm

Definitely doesn't look like its 10 years old to me
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:15 pm

I would be excited to know if this is from MH370, maybe there is more floating out there,I am sure the serial numbers found on it would prove it. But on a sad note, waiting to find out if it is, for the families of loved ones lost must be agonizing, as if the ordeal was not enough already.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:15 pm

Quoting giblets (Reply 19):
Presumably the ocean currents could be analyzed to see if it could tie in with the MH crash
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 28):
Although this MAY be part of 9M-MRO will it have any bearing on the search area/investigation? Bearing in mind it has been well over a year since the aircraft went missing, parts could be floating through the ocean travelling thousands of miles on the currents.

It's been 508 days since MH370 went down. Assuming ocean currents of 0.5 knots that corresponds to a potential distance traversed of about 6000 nautical miles.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 63):
Yes sorry for the wrong terminology but the observation still stands. The flaperon on the 777 looks far thinner than this component.

How do you figure that? Looks dead on to me...
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:19 pm

Quoting edmountain (Reply 67):
It's been 508 days since MH370 went down. Assuming ocean currents of 0.5 knots that corresponds to a potential distance traversed of about 6000 nautical miles.

The distance from presumed crash are is about 3000nm, so it's definitely possible. The part could have been stuck near the shore for some time anyway.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:32 pm

Xavier Tytelman on his blog, says that there is a reference BB670 on the part. Maybe a part number? Any idea?

Only in French:

http://blog-peuravion.fr/2015/07/a-t...remiers-debris-du-mh370/#more-1453
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 26):
Three possibilities.

2006 crash
a310 Yemenia in Comoros
MH370

I realize it was almost 30 years ago but what about SA295? It went down relatively close to where this was found. Hard to imagine a bit of debris floating for 30 years though isn't it.

Also what's the 2006 crash you're referring to?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:48 pm

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Quoting edmountain (Reply 71):
I realize it was almost 30 years ago but what about SA295? It went down relatively close to where this was found. Hard to imagine a bit of debris floating for 30 years though isn't it.Also what's the 2006 crash you're referring to?

It should be far more gone and covered in growth than this is. By the looks of it I would say it hasn't been in the water for more than a couple of years.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 64):


That would be me. While I don't have any opinions on Garcia, I do absolutely believe the aircraft was taken rather than some mechanical issue. They wouldn't go to the bother to fly around the edge of the island, along radar lines, turn off transponders etc just to dump it in the sea. IF (and it is IF) the aircraft and debris are found within 10 min of flight of where it first went missing, then I'll accept mechanical or someone just wanting to crash it, BUT everything else that happened does not fit in with then flying it multiple hours across the ocean just to let it fuel out.

I would also go along with the theory of them dumping a single part there to try to throw of the scent for lack of a better term.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:02 pm

 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting artsyman (Reply 73):

Perhaps a suicidal pilot wanted to hide the evidence to avoid the shame such a monstrous act would bring? If you wanted to hide the evidence of your crime it would be perfectly logical to fly the aircraft to some of the most remote parts of this planet and crash it there.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting pvjin (Reply 64):
Yeah, the conspiracy theorists will just claim that the aircraft landed at Diego Garcia and then it was blown apart and thrown into ocean to fake the evidence... Arguing with those people is waste of time.

Only an absolute conspiracy-theory nutcase would make such a wild claim.

Quoting artsyman (Reply 73):
That would be me.
...
I would also go along with the theory of them dumping a single part there to try to throw of the scent for lack of a better term.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:08 pm

Quoting artsyman (Reply 73):
That would be me. While I don't have any opinions on Garcia, I do absolutely believe the aircraft was taken rather than some mechanical issue. They wouldn't go to the bother to fly around the edge of the island, along radar lines, turn off transponders etc just to dump it in the sea. IF (and it is IF) the aircraft and debris are found within 10 min of flight of where it first went missing, then I'll accept mechanical or someone just wanting to crash it, BUT everything else that happened does not fit in with then flying it multiple hours across the ocean just to let it fuel out.

I would also go along with the theory of them dumping a single part there to try to throw of the scent for lack of a better term.

Where did they take it to? What did they do with it once they go it there? Why?

Bear in mind of course that any sort of theory needs to account for the complete lack of claim of responsibility, absence of any contact whatsoever, hostage demands, threats, etc, etc. Seems to me that flying it off the edge of the earth is at least as plausible as landing it in the middle of Kyrgyzstan and doing nothing about it for the next year and a half.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:11 pm

Can we keep the twilight zone stuff out of this thread please...

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:15 pm

Quoting artsyman (Reply 73):
That would be me. While I don't have any opinions on Garcia, I do absolutely believe the aircraft was taken rather than some mechanical issue. They wouldn't go to the bother to fly around the edge of the island, along radar lines, turn off transponders etc just to dump it in the sea. IF (and it is IF) the aircraft and debris are found within 10 min of flight of where it first went missing, then I'll accept mechanical or someone just wanting to crash it, BUT everything else that happened does not fit in with then flying it multiple hours across the ocean just to let it fuel out.

I would also go along with the theory of them dumping a single part there to try to throw of the scent for lack of a better term.

Considering that the last known pilot suicide involved a pilot letting a plane slowly descend into a remote mountainous area rather than pointing the nose straight into the ground (after reaching cruising altitude), and another probable pilot suicide (MS990) involved crashing into the open ocean, I don't think such a scenario is at all unfathomable.

Also, you're postulating that "they" dumped a single part from a 777 and then expected that part to float across the ocean for likely quite some distance and end up at a point at which it would be discovered, rather than getting stuck in a gyre somewhere or washing up on a shore and not being found for a long time, if ever. If only we understood the micro-level behavior of ocean currents that well. Man. Occam's Razor.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:19 pm

The corrosion on the edge is very suggestive. It does not look like metal. Do 777s have composite control surfaces?

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 70):

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:20 pm

There just doesn't seem to be any logical reason for someone to "take" the plane then do nothing with it for years.

However, on the tiny, tiny, tiny chance someone did, they would most certainly be capable of throwing some parts in the ocean to wash up.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:44 pm

It never made sense that MH370 was "taken" and landed somewhere for further use, whatever that might be. Why "take" an airplane full of passengers, occasioning a worldwide effort to find the plane, when you could just go to a boneyard and buy all the large airline jets you wanted through a straw purchaser and fly them to wherever you liked wholly without suspicion?

Then there is the difficulty of finding a place to land MH370 and somehow concealing it. Sorry, conspiracy types, an "old" B-29 base won't cut it since we know where all of those were located, the runway wouldn't be adequate and you'd need a damn big camouflaged hangar or cave(?!) to conceal it. Build a new runway ? Yeah, that will set you back about $50 million and attract a lot of attention, go for it.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:45 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 53):
It will also disappoint authors of some of the more fanciful theories as to the fate of MH370.

oh no it won't... "The landed on that unknown island then chopped the plane and discarded it to make it seem that it crashed..." LOL
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:46 pm

Quoting IADCA (Reply 79):
If only we understood the micro-level behavior of ocean currents that well. Man. Occam's Razor

Ever heard of Operation Mincemeat?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:47 pm

just out of curiosity ... if the plane landed softly into the south-east Indian Ocean (outside of PER) instead of a head-down crash landing and gradually sank to the bottom, does that cause wing parts of break off like that ?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting classa64 (Reply 66):
I would be excited to know if this is from MH370, maybe there is more floating out there,I am sure the serial numbers found on it would prove it.

I'd probably not excited but glad if it were and if could help locate what remains and thus, allowing all those who have lost someone in that tragedy to stop hoping (if they still do) and begin a proper mourning, knowing it's over. And if it could help understand what happened, then it would be great.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 84):
Ever heard of Operation Mincemeat?

Yes, and it had nothing to do with microcurrents. The body was dumped only a mile from where it washed up. Not even remotely similar to this, but conspiracy nuts don't actually care about facts or evidence, so carry on...
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:58 pm

If it's not from MH370, I'll ask what 777 lost a flaperon in the Indian Ocean in the last year or so....
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:59 pm

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 32):
Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
I really really hope it's from MH370, I've been wondering when some parts would show up...

Yes, I think it will help to debunk all those conspiracy theories about it landing on some island.
Quoting scbriml (Reply 76):
Only an absolute conspiracy-theory nutcase would make such a wild claim.

So, it seems to me that this makes the Southbound turn VERY unlikely and rekindles the theory that the plane was heading toward at least generally toward Diego Garcia. Anybody want to tackle either of those? Also, all the Inmarsat data would be false, would it not?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:00 pm

Is there more than one part? The news stories keep referring to "parts". So I gather there may be more than one washed up?

E.g. this picture seems to be of a part that is around 5 feet long (and carried by 4):
http://blog-peuravion.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/photo-5.jpg
which to me seems to be too big for the flaperon?

And this one, which multiple people have indeed compared and matched closely to the flaperon:
http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA3LzI5LzA5L1NjcmVlblNob3QyLjI2MGI0LnBuZwpwCXRodW1iCTk1MHg1MzQjCmUJanBn/2b7d4822/e98/Screen-Shot-2015-07-29-at-10.15.50-AM.jpg
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting rampbro (Reply 84):
Ever heard of Operation Mincemeat?

Yes. Leaving a body in the water for less than six hours one mile from shore is not the same as leaving it in the ocean for long enough to become encrusted with sea life.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:02 pm

Well whomever had it on Diego Garcia, kept the pax and then remote control crash it into the Ocean, so evidence would
eventually show up.

I am kidding of course, but that is someone's rationale I bet....
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 89):
So, it seems to me that this makes the Southbound turn VERY unlikely and rekindles the theory that the plane was heading toward at least generally toward Diego Garcia. Anybody want to tackle either of those? Also, all the Inmarsat data would be false, would it not?

Well, the inmarsat data wouldn't necessarily be false. The aircraft could have indeed crashed somewhere near western australia, then the sea currents could have carried this part to La Reunion.

However I really wouldn't be surprised if this aircraft indeed crashed more west than thought before.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:07 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 89):
So, it seems to me that this makes the Southbound turn VERY unlikely and rekindles the theory that the plane was heading toward at least generally toward Diego Garcia. Anybody want to tackle either of those? Also, all the Inmarsat data would be false, would it not?

If this is from MH370 then it makes the southerly path more likely, not less likely.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:07 pm

Quoting SANChaser (Reply 90):





Is there more than one part? The news stories keep referring to "parts". So I gather there may be more than one washed up?

I do belive it is the same part. If you look at the frame between the two forward guys it shows the same square of what could be rubber seals as the lower picture.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 89):
So, it seems to me that this makes the Southbound turn VERY unlikely

   it implies no such thing. The location of the recovery has very little to do with the location of the crash or prior trajectory. La Reunion is on the northwestern periphery of the Indian Ocean Gyre (this is what the current patterns look like), and it is quite conceivable that this flaperon made more than one revolution before washing up.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 89):
So, it seems to me that this makes the Southbound turn VERY unlikely and rekindles the theory that the plane was heading toward at least generally toward Diego Garcia. Anybody want to tackle either of those?

The Indian Ocean gyre could easily have taken this item from close to the search area off Australia and deposited it on Reunion.

http://sciencelearn.org.nz/var/sciencelearn/storage/images/contexts/the-ocean-in-action/sci-media/images/map-of-ocean-gyres/245686-1-eng-NZ/Map-of-ocean-gyres.jpg
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:13 pm

Quoting ranold76 (Reply 88):
If it's not from MH370, I'll ask what 777 lost a flaperon in the Indian Ocean in the last year or so....

Could be from an A310 as well, according to an expert.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:14 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 85):

just out of curiosity ... if the plane landed softly into the south-east Indian Ocean (outside of PER) instead of a head-down crash landing and gradually sank to the bottom, does that cause wing parts of break off like that ?

Anything on the airplane that is impeding the water as you soft-land is susceptible to getting damaged or torn off.

Go look at the pictures of US 1549, which is probably the best example of a successful soft water landing there is, and you can see tremendous damage to all control surfaces.

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