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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 196):
Now they should retitle this thread. It's much too vague for most people to know what it is about.

Yeah, I agree. I missed it at first too. It should be changed to MH370 debris found, or something like that.

Quoting Miami (Reply 198):
Big news! Boeing says the only missing plane of that type is the MH370.

I cannot even imagine how the families of the victims on board must be feeling right now. May those who perished rest in peace, and may their families stay strong as these clues begin to present themselves.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting 32andBelow (Reply 199):
So, if they have the serial number how is this taking more than 12 seconds to verify?

Did someone confirm BB670 is the serial number?
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:56 pm

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 192):
So, if this new story is accurate then it is MH 370 after all!

Technically that would be another (small) jump in logic to get there.

Quoting OMP777X (Reply 193):
There really is no other way to explain this flaperon debris from a 777 washing up on the beach, other than using conspiracy theories to figure it out (it was planted there, etc).

Do we know if this part is something that is inventoried at MX shops? I wonder if everyone of these Flaperons is accounted for, not just those flying.

Its certainly an tiny chance and would probably qualify as 'conspiracy theory' but I am not sure we can be absolutely certain.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 197):
Personally, I'd be somewhat wary of calling MH17 a "crash".

Me too. Hull losses may be a more encompassing term.

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Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:58 pm

NBC Nightly News had a fancy animation a few moments ago. Take a look at the registration on MH370... HL7742. Sigh.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3703/20118411172_5da18d8c7c_k.jpg
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:58 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 178):
IMO, the thickness in reply 164 is NOT the same.

The B777 Flaperon is much more much slimmer.

Could be an illusion I suppose.

See this post on pprune.

http://www.pprune.org/9062664-post14.html

Interesting discussion there.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...up-reunion-island.html#post9062664

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting kann123air (Reply 203):

Asiana reg.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting scbriml (Reply 197):
I'd be somewhat wary of calling MH17 a "crash"

Why? Just curious. To me it did crash; cause was of course "shot down by a missile". Similar to how AI 182 or PanAm 103 crash (cause being an explosive device).
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:00 pm

Quoting Txspotter (Reply 152):

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 147):

incorrect. The flaperon will have a PN of 113W6100-XX if it ends in an odd number then it is the left hand flaperon. even number is right hand flaperon.

Based on the picture of the flaperon data plate you posted above, the BB670 number that has been referenced would appear to fit the convention of the S/N (WB203 on the data plate in your picture).

[Edited 2015-07-29 16:01:36]
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 178):

IMO, the thickness in reply 164 is NOT the same.

The B777 Flaperon is much more much slimmer.

Could be an illusion I suppose.

Engineers and others intimately familiar with the B777 have identified it as such. There is nothing to really debate further.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting kann123air (Reply 203):
HL7742

Smh. Why would they use OZ214.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:07 pm

Thank you, kind sir -- the pictures are most helpful!

Quoting Txspotter (Reply 163):
We sent both flaps out on repair in one large wooden box (partially seen in pictures). The box with the flaperons in it was 108"X73"X54" weighing 807lbs


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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting FlyBigDeltaJets (Reply 207):

Based on the picture of the flaperon data plate you posted above, the BB670 number that has been referenced would appear to fit the convention of the S/N (WB203 on the data plate in your picture).

WB203 is the Boeing "variable number" of an aircraft, and W means 777. BB670 doesn't really fit.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:15 pm

Quoting horstroad (Reply 14):
B777 Flaperon:

Thanks for that image.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 30):
If it's from MH370 La Reunion would be a very logical place for the find, after all it's one of the nearest points of land west from the area where MH370 went lost.

  

It's also in the same ocean where the data suggests the plane went down.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 34):
Well, if this proved to be a part of the Malaysian 777, it would at the very least dispel the hypothesis that some still have that this flight flew north rather than south into the Indian Ocean.

The conspiracy theorists will continue their nonsense.

They will next say that the piece was just placed.

They might even say that it was part of the MH17 wreckage.

Quoting summa767 (Reply 34):
It could also give indications as to the nature of the impact on the water.

  

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 38):
Could it be from the Ethiopian jet that ditched off the east coast of Africa?

That was my first thought; the Ethiopian 767 that attempted to ditch.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 64):
Yeah, the conspiracy theorists will just claim that the aircraft landed at Diego Garcia and then it was blown apart and thrown into ocean to fake the evidence...

  

Quoting pvjin (Reply 75):
Perhaps a suicidal pilot wanted to hide the evidence to avoid the shame such a monstrous act would bring? If you wanted to hide the evidence of your crime it would be perfectly logical to fly the aircraft to some of the most remote parts of this planet and crash it there.

Who would have guessed!  
Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 96):
The location of the recovery has very little to do with the location of the crash or prior trajectory.

  

Sadly, IMHO, even if this is part of 9M-MRO, it won't make much of a difference if any at all to the current search.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 120):
Here's strong evidence of a 777 flaperon.

Thanks for those images.

Quoting Txspotter (Reply 138):
I work for an aftermarket parts supplier who tears down all aircraft including B777's. I happen to work on the B777 product line.

Thanks for your insights.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 177):
If this is indeed from MH370, it could very well be able to provide insight into the flights last moments.

This is pure conjecture, but the missing/torn off/eroded part at the trailing edge could very well have been caused by a stable, horizontal flight in which the flaps were in a down position on impact with the sea.

  

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:16 pm

Quoting FlyBigDeltaJets (Reply 207):
Based on the picture of the flaperon data plate you posted above, the BB670 number that has been referenced would appear to fit the convention of the S/N (WB203 on the data plate in your picture).

"WB203" is the Boeing block number -- I believe MH370 was WB175
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:22 pm

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 213):
"WB203" is the Boeing block number -- I believe MH370 was WB175


Thanks for the clarification.

[Edited 2015-07-29 16:23:33]
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 177):
This is pure conjecture, but the missing/torn off/eroded part at the trailing edge could very well have been caused by a stable, horizontal flight in which the flaps were in a down position on impact with the sea.

I agree, that is absolutely possible from what we see.

But I don't think it is the only possibility. The trailing edge, and indeed the whole flapperon, could also have been torn off by the engine separating from the wing. In that case the flap doesn't need to have been in the down position at impact.

I imagine that the investigators can, from the damage on this flapperon, tell a lot about how it met the ocean - pitch angle, speed. And I think we can already rule out high speed like SR111, which ended up in small bits and pieces.

No doubt that island coast will now be searched for more debris, which might give even more details to how it came down.

I'm a little puzzled that such an aluminum panel can float when broken wide open here and there, and certainly along the whole trailing edge. Maybe there is some carbon fibre tube or box spar inside, which contained many qubic feet air? Anybody out there knows about that?

[Edited 2015-07-29 16:24:53]
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:25 pm

Quoting FlyBigDeltaJets (Reply 214):
Thanks for the clarification. If that's the case, are you saying this indicates it's NOT from MH370?

Well, it's a 777 flaperon. So either it's MH370's starboard flaperon or a different 777 has had a flaperon separation some time in the past two years over the Indian Ocean... and I don't think that's the case.
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:32 pm

Since several people have commented on the (apparent) differences in thickness of the object recovered and the photos from Txspotter of (like?) new 777 flaperons, I've taken the liberty of taking one of Txspotters pictures, blocking off the trailing edge section that's obviously missing from the recovered object and mirror-imaging it horizontally. You end up with:





Keeping in mind that the upper photo is from a rather higher vantage point, the sections are much closer visually.
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 216):
Well, it's a 777 flaperon. So either it's MH370's starboard flaperon or a different 777 has had a flaperon separation some time in the past two years over the Indian Ocean... and I don't think that's the case.

Yeah, I wasn't thinking correctly when I typed that, hence my edit.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 209):
Quoting kann123air (Reply 203):

They reused a graphic and changed it to MH livery and forgot that little detail. Who cares? Geeze.

[Edited 2015-07-29 17:23:54]
 
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:43 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 209):

Smh. Why would they use OZ214.

They were too cheap to pay for a new animation of a 777.
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 89):
So, it seems to me that this makes the Southbound turn VERY unlikely and rekindles the theory that the plane was heading toward at least generally toward Diego Garcia. Anybody want to tackle either of those? Also, all the Inmarsat data would be false, would it not?

No, completely wrong. Floating objects can span incredible distances in a year or so. Bear in mind that debris from the Japanese Tohoku earthquake has been arriving on the west coast of the US for several years now, starting about a year after the quake.

What this actually does, assuming it's actually MH370 debris, is suggest we've been looking in the right place for the last year, and that debris from off Australia has now made its way across the Indian Ocean following the known prevailing currents.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:56 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 219):
Who cares?

Some people.   

Quoting L-188 (Reply 220):
They were too cheap to pay for a new animation of a 777.

Seems about right.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:57 pm

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 215):

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 177):
This is pure conjecture, but the missing/torn off/eroded part at the trailing edge could very well have been caused by a stable, horizontal flight in which the flaps were in a down position on impact with the sea.

I agree, that is absolutely possible from what we see.

I have no knowledge of this, so this is a question, not a theory.

Is there any system on the plane that could deploy the flaps in a ditch situation automatically?
Am I correct that it is highly unlikely the plane was flying with the flaps down from the point contract was lost given what we know of its speed?
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 223):
Is there any system on the plane that could deploy the flaps in a ditch situation automatically?

The plane doesn't know it's ditching. The assumption is that the aircraft ran out of fuel, stalled, and crashed into the sea. The only thing I can think of is that the low-speed protection could have automatically deployed slats/flaps/flaperons after the engines cut out - anyone familiar with 777 systems can comment?
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 223):
Is there any system on the plane that could deploy the flaps in a ditch situation automatically?
Am I correct that it is highly unlikely the plane was flying with the flaps down from the point contract was lost given what we know of its speed?

The plane would neither need an 'automatically configure the plane for ditching system' nor to have flown with the flaps down for most of the flight if somebody in the cockpit put the flaps down before attempting to ditch  
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:08 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 224):
The only thing I can think of is that the low-speed protection could have automatically deployed slats/flaps/flaperons after the engines cut out - anyone familiar with 777 systems can comment?
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 224):
The plane doesn't know it's ditching.
Quoting 777Jet (Reply 225):
The plane would neither need an 'automatically configure the plane for ditching system' nor to have flown with the flaps down for most of the flight if somebody in the cockpit put the flaps down before attempting to ditch

OK, the plane's software knows it's going to hit the ground when not in a landing configuration and does the software do anything about it? The plane can land itself, it isn't so crazy to think there is a system like that. It is certainly technically feasible. I'm asking if it exists or not? Anybody know?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 216):
Well, it's a 777 flaperon. So either it's MH370's starboard flaperon or a different 777 has had a flaperon separation some time in the past two years over the Indian Ocean... and I don't think that's the case.

AP said "US Officials" confirmed its a 777 part so that's got be MH370. There aren't any other flaperons unaccounted for since the wreckage of the other one is probably in Ukraine and no one will be dumping spares without Boeing knowing it.

It doesn't look more than a year old either. Makes sense though, I always though debris would wash up at Perth at some point. Simply too many things that float from a plane.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 226):
OK, the plane's software knows it's going to hit the ground when not in a landing configuration and does the software do anything about it? The plane can land itself, it isn't so crazy to think there is a system like that. It is certainly technically feasible. I'm asking if it exists or not? Anybody know?

No, there is no such system. As I said, the only system which could possibly deploy high-lift devices automatically would be a low-speed protection.

And the plane can only 'land itself' when flown down an ILS approach, programmed properly and configured by the pilots.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:21 am

NYT says based on this discovery, the search area is likely too far south.

"Erik van Sebille, an oceanographer specializing in ocean currents who did extensive computer simulations last year of where Flight 370 wreckage might float, said that it was possible that pieces might now be reaching Réunion, more than 3,000 miles from the plane’s last known location.

But the plane would have had to enter the water off northwestern Australia, he said. "

"Currents in the Indian Ocean move fairly quickly from east to west near the Equator, Mr. van Sebille said, but those to the south move more slowly. Debris entering the ocean in the primary search area would be much less likely to have drifted as far as Réunion by now."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/wo...rlines-flight-370-search.html?_r=0

[Edited 2015-07-29 17:23:11]
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:31 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 226):
OK, the plane's software knows it's going to hit the ground when not in a landing configuration and does the software do anything about it? The plane can land itself, it isn't so crazy to think there is a system like that. It is certainly technically feasible. I'm asking if it exists or not? Anybody know?

Either someone configured the plane for landing, or at some low altitude the GPWS system would have made an alarm.

It is not like the plane thinks, "hey, seems we are going down, maybe I should put down gear and flaps etc."

Autoland is an entirely different animal. It is compenstion for poor visibility, for touching down on an ILS equipped runway.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:41 am

Looks like a pretty straight line... Malaysia, Maldives to Reunion.

http://www.news24.com/Travel/Interna...-jumbo-seen-over-Maldives-20140318
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:46 am

Quoting daus (Reply 231):
Looks like a pretty straight line... Malaysia, Maldives to Reunion.

Thoroughly debunked. Aircraft didn't have the fuel to reach the Maldives.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting daus (Reply 231):
Looks like a pretty straight line... Malaysia, Maldives to Reunion.

Not really, and it has no relevance whatsoever since its the ocean currents that matter at this point, and ocean currents jive much more with towards Australia in slight variation of the search areas than the Maldives.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:05 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 233):

Agreed, wasn't putting much stock in the alignment, but disinterested eye witnesses were pretty rare. And yes, every range circle I've seen has the Maldives on the outer edge of the circle.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:14 am

I'm catching the next flight headed out of the solar system if this turns out to be part of a Lockheed Model 10 Electra.
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:25 am

Quoting jcxroberts (Reply 229):
NYT says based on this discovery, the search area is likely too far south. "Erik van Sebille, an oceanographer specializing in ocean currents who did extensive computer simulations last year of where Flight 370 wreckage might float, said that it was possible that pieces might now be reaching Réunion, more than 3,000 miles from the plane’s last known location.But the plane would have had to enter the water off northwestern Australia, he said. ""Currents in the Indian Ocean move fairly quickly from east to west near the Equator, Mr. van Sebille said, but those to the south move more slowly. Debris entering the ocean in the primary search area would be much less likely to have drifted as far as Réunion by now."http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/wo...rlines-flight-370-search.html?_r=0

It didn't take long for such claims to come out.

Regardless of whether or not this part belongs to 9M-MRO, the search for the main wreckage site will still be a mammoth task and may never be successful.

Moreover, determining the best area to search will still just be some kind of educated guess based on assumptions.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:38 am

These parts are sealed to prevent corosion and FOD ingestion. They are mostly composite assemblies and if not severly ruptured will be buoiant. Looks like the aft part was probably sheared. It is made from graphite and honeycomb.
I have no doubt it is a 777 part.
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:45 am

So where does this part go to now ? Australia, Boeing, Malaysia ?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:48 am

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 228):

Quoting enilria (Reply 226):
OK, the plane's software knows it's going to hit the ground when not in a landing configuration and does the software do anything about it? The plane can land itself, it isn't so crazy to think there is a system like that. It is certainly technically feasible. I'm asking if it exists or not? Anybody know?

No, there is no such system. As I said, the only system which could possibly deploy high-lift devices automatically would be a low-speed protection.

So, if that is the case doesn't it likely mean that one or both of these is true:

a) the plane went a much shorter distance than thought with the flaps deployed and the Inmarsat data was completely wrong
and/or
b) the pilot was in control of the aircraft near the time it hit the water
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:03 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 236):
Regardless of whether or not this part belongs to 9M-MRO, the search for the main wreckage site will still be a mammoth task and may never be successful. Moreover, determining the best area to search will still just be some kind of educated guess based on assumptions.

About the only thing that would come from this part being found is that it has poked holes in the analogy that the plane landed, the passengers dealt with and the plane was to be used for another purpose.

Depending on the buoyancy you would have to figure the surface winds that would act on the part as well current along with how many storms the part encountered and what winds were present during storms.
I would not want to discourage such endeavors but with the amount of unknown variables I would not be very encouraged that the impact point could be determined.

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Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:09 am

With a full load of fuel... could the plane have reached Madagascar? Does MH have routes over to that area?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 239):
b) the pilot was in control of the aircraft near the time it hit the water

Nah, that would likely suggest a nefarious and somewhat unwell pilot.   
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:14 am

Here is a link of a 777 coming to land showing this part in fligt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIcFCoIQcSw&t=140
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:15 am

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 238):
So where does this part go to now ? Australia, Boeing, Malaysia ?

France! The BEA (French version of the NTSB) has taken possession of the part. See previous posts...
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:15 am

gosh this thread is going viral! I really hope the part is identified soon and would wish for the victims relatives that they finally find closure IF it is a part from MRO!
BUT - are we sure every Airline really reports bits falling off their planes, or do some just quietly fix it and move on?
it is a daily occurence and I am just not sure each Event of this sort is reported to the broader media/ local authorities or the Manufacturer.........? I fear NOT!
I have hope, but also feel it may turn into a huge dissapointment, let´s see what develops........

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:36 am

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If you are at all aware of the various reporting lines and checkpoints in the aviation industry, you cannot make this statement. Major control surfaces do not simply detach from transport category aircraft unreported.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:37 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 245):

BUT - are we sure every Airline really reports bits falling off their planes, or do some just quietly fix it and move on?

I doubt that many airlines would have a spare flaperon in stock. And even if they do, Boeing will know the provenance of this piece and should be able to help drive this part of the mystery to some conclusion. Prayers for and condolences to the families and loved ones of those on MH370.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting speedbird217 (Reply 25):
Apparently the piece is 2x1 meters, or so it says in one of the articles on that website...I guess we would've heard by now if a 777 lost such a big part on a flight.

If it happened at night it is quite conceivable that passengers might not notice it. The crew/airline certainly would. Of course, not every incident makes it to AvHerald.  

I'm not saying that the part isn't from 9M-MRO, just considering other possibilities.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 236):
Regardless of whether or not this part belongs to 9M-MRO, the search for the main wreckage site will still be a mammoth task and may never be successful.

Certainly. The location of AF447 was known to within a few minutes of flight time, yet it still took years to locate and extract the wreckage.

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 236):
Moreover, determining the best area to search will still just be some kind of educated guess based on assumptions

Exactly. They'll have to combine the computer model for ocean currents with that of the wind/weather and then 'rewind' the whole model back to the date that it crashed. That would give you the site where the aircraft crashed/ditched. Even then, the accuracy is probably very questionable. Once that has been established, investigators then have to try and workout where the wreckage settled. As we know from AF447*, this is a mammoth task in itself.

*Admittedly, assuming that 9M-MRO was ditched and therefore sank intact, that would make locating the wreckage a bit simpler than AF447 where the aircraft broke up on impact.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN)

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 245):
BUT - are we sure every Airline really reports bits falling off their planes

Some bits are more important than other bits. Not likely to lose a control surface and not be a big deal.

Usually what you hear about falling off are fairings, mostly of little consequence. When a control surface falls off a 777 that is not a minor problem and can have big consequences.

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