Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 146): I know aviation is expensive...but what makes a flaperon cost as much as a few Cessnas, a helicopter, a Rolls-Royce, or a decent sized house? |
Product liability insurance.
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Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 146): I know aviation is expensive...but what makes a flaperon cost as much as a few Cessnas, a helicopter, a Rolls-Royce, or a decent sized house? |
Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 146): I know aviation is expensive...but what makes a flaperon cost as much as a few Cessnas, a helicopter, a Rolls-Royce, or a decent sized house? |
Quoting m1m2 (Reply 142): In any case, MAS should know whether or not that flaperon on 9M-MRO was ever replaced. |
Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 146): Out of curiosity, how much do those actuators cost? Also, are they hydraulic or electric? It's amazing how quick they are. |
Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 146): I know aviation is expensive...but what makes a flaperon cost as much as a few Cessnas, a helicopter, a Rolls-Royce, or a decent sized house? |
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 150): Product liability insurance. |
Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 148): Am I the only one really happy that it's the French handling this debris and not the Malaysians, who have proved to be far from competent in this whole thing? |
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 153): I guess very lucky that the debris have been found in the French overseas department of Reunion, if this part of the wing would have reach, for instance the coast of Madagascar, I am sure that no one would have even heard about it and the debris would be now kept in coastline villages to be used for house, roof, kitchen materials etc.! In the area, only Mauritius and Reunion (and of course more further in the West, South Africa) have the administration and capacities to face this kind of situation. |
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Quoting vfw614 (Reply 130): But given the projections of the currents, debris that began its journey in the current search area should not have reached LA Reunion yet, but sometime between September 2015 and February 2016. Does this make it more likely that the crash site was further to the west? |
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Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 157): Sorry if this has been asked before. But with this discovery, have they dispatched any aircraft to do a surface scan of the area for more possible debris floating around? It would seem like a logical step, regardless if the piece is confirmed or not. |
Quoting vikinga346 (Reply 112): CNN is now reporting that it is confirmed that the flaperon is from a Boeing 777. This pretty much solidifies that it must be from MH370 as no other 777 has crashed in this part of the world that has parts missing |
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 157): Sorry if this has been asked before. But with this discovery, have they dispatched any aircraft to do a surface scan of the area for more possible debris floating around? It would seem like a logical step, regardless if the piece is confirmed or not. |
Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 143): I could be wrong of course since we only have these grainy photos to go off of. Thus, if an expert could figure out that the barnacles are a full 18 months old, then that would exclude the southern region, and the likely search area would be in the north off the coast of Perth! |
Quoting richierich (Reply 145): I don't necessarily agree with this statement. To assume that the investigators will be able to piece together what happened to MH370 based on this one piece of debris is asking a lot!! |
Quoting GSP psgr (Reply 148): Am I the only one really happy that it's the French handling this debris and not the Malaysians, who have proved to be far from competent in this whole thing? |
Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 146): Quoting Txspotter (Reply 121): xample: A new flaperon costs $500,000 We would give them our new flaperon for $50,000 We would get their damaged flaperon and get it repaired, another $50,000 we would bill the airline for the repair and now have another unit ready to sell. The airline has payed $100,000 for a new unit instead of $500,000 I know aviation is expensive...but what makes a flaperon cost as much as a few Cessnas, a helicopter, a Rolls-Royce, or a decent sized house? |
Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 160): I know it's far-fetched, but there's always the possibility that someone threw something into the ocean to create a story / hype... human beings are known for loving excitement, even highly trained professionals. I believe this is highly unlikely, but a good investigator won't come to a conclusion unless they have strong evidence to do so. |
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Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 164): True, but you have to admit that it's an expensive throw away if someone is trying to set this up as a red herring. |
Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 162): Thanks for taking time to respond to my post. Yes, a maritime biologist would most likely be able to pinpoint the age of the barnacles, and together with meterologist and oceanographers they could figure out exactly what latitude the barnacles started forming on the flaperon. Together with already known data about longtitude based on fuel on board and last locations, we'd have both longtitude and latitude of the crash/ditch. And there's probably more biological evidence on the flaperon than the barnacles. |
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 163): This: |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 155): And we have to remember that it was very lucky that this part was washed ashore at all, considering how vast the ocean is and how small La Reunion. |
Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 160): While the inclination is to BELIEVE that this part must be from MH370, we're only closer to confirming that it belongs to a 777 aircraft - and even at this point, neither Boeing or MAS have 100% concretely confirmed that this item IS a 777 part. |
Quoting lnglive1011yyz (Reply 160): I know it's far-fetched, but there's always the possibility... |
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 77): Quoting 77west (Reply 73): Quoting GRJGeorge (Reply 72):If confirmed, will they perhaps expand a search for more debris in that area, on sea and along the coasts of Reunion, Mauritius, Rodrigues, Madagascar...if there's more it might even be possible that might have already drifted past these islands and going south again? I firmly believe that not only will they expand the search, but they will find more debris as well. But even if they will find more debris, this will not explain what happened. Remember AF447. They found the tail fin and a part of the crew rest area but could only conclude how the tail fin was ripped of from the fuselage. At that time we still didn't had a clue what had happened onboard AF447. |
Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 167): Hopefully, Messier Pouplin will have a chance to look at the barnacle specimens when the part is in France. Doesn't sound like they took any special steps to preserve the biological evidence though... (Prolly don't watch CSI down there! ) Really, after the initial look-see, they should have reimmersed it in oceanwater to minimize any disturbance to the fauna. I would have recommended to put the whole thing in a big aquarium for the flight to France if that would be possible, or at least carefully collect a few specimens while they still alive and send them back separately.... |
Quoting N415XJ (Reply 168): Say, for example, they had to take a flaperon of an Air Austral 777. Something happens to it (it falls, gets run over by a truck, etc...), and it cannot be economically repaired. What would they do with it? Perhaps it was given to a scrapper, and it exchanged hands several times before being dumped into the sea, by accident or on purpose? |
Quoting anfromme (Reply 170): Of course, conspiracy theorists won't be deterred. As has been pointed out before - the less likely their hypotheses are, the (ironically) more likely they are to them. Because the higher the level of improbability, the more it shows what great lengths the conspiracists are willing to go. Crazy people are crazy |
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Quoting m1m2 (Reply 175): That isn't a serial number. That's the number Boeing uses to identify the panel in their AMM. In some inspection somewhere it will say to remove panel 657 BB to carry out that inspection. |
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Quoting JetBuddy (Reply 173): That almost sounds more far fetched than the conspiracy theory where MH370 supposidly lands on an island of quicksand and is swallowed whole. |
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Quoting Txspotter (Reply 176): |
Quoting Karadion (Reply 177): |
Quoting Txspotter (Reply 176): That panel number is not unique to a specific flaperon so the only thing to conclude with 100% accuracy is that this is a B777 flaperon. |
Quoting Karadion (Reply 180): Okay, so this particular component may explain why it may have survived for so long. The list of materials states that the skin is made of Glass Fiber Reinforced Plastic laminate, the bonded parts is a GFRP honeycomb sandwich on the leading edge & skin panel, and the upper/lower skin panel is a CFRP honeycomb sandwich. So there would be a ton of air pockets in the honeycomb sandwich that may have contributed to why it didn't sink compared to the rest of the aircraft. Am I getting this right? |
Quoting anfromme (Reply 170): at this point, coming up with any scenario where this is a) not a 777 flaperon and by extension b) not a flaperon from MH370 requires an increasing amount of construction work with increasingly shaky foundations. |
Quoting lancelot07 (Reply 155): Still, finding the first piece of the airliner is a major event, even if not a mojor clue. |
Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 102): Barnacles are not mussels (a type of mollusk), they're actually a type of arthropod--a completely different phylum, but barnacles do have a fairly definite growth rate. The goose barnacles found on the flaperon probably grow ~1 to 2 cm/year, so they're consistent with the part coming from 9M-MRO. |
Quoting Karadion (Reply 177): That's a panel #. Look at this maintenance manual for MAS' 777's. Right Wing Flaperon |
Quoting Pihero (Reply 187): Is it just me or is it that the Maintenance Manual drawing of the part was for the *left wing* ? (see where the inboard side is) |
Quoting Joshu (Reply 188): NBC is reporting that their sources confirm that the piece of aircraft found belongs to a B772. |
Quoting oxymorph (Reply 192): CNN reporting that "internal US intel assessment concluded that MH370 was deliberately steered off course by someone in the cockpit". |
Quote: The intelligence assessment falls short of establishing any firm conclusions of what happened to MH370. But it could renew focus on the two pilots, or perhaps someone else, in the aircraft's cockpit. |
Quoting Pihero (Reply 187): Is it just me or is it that the Maintenance Manual drawing of the part was for the *left wing* ? (see where the inboard side is) In which case the numbering is wrong. |
Quoting 747megatop (Reply 186): Now..now. Aren't we treading on uncharted territory here? Isn't this best left to the Barnacologists? |
Quoting osubuckeyes (Reply 193): Lets bring it back to earth |
Quoting Karadion (Reply 189): That's the Boeing manual, so no. |
Quoting B777fan (Reply 194): Both left and right maintenance pages have been posted or linked to so the one you saw could well be left instead of right. |