New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 163

Unclekoru · Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 142):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 141):
I agree, I think NSN-WLG-NSN would be a front runner for a prop star service, along with AKL-NSN-AKL. Possibly CHC too.

I think if Jetstar joined NSN-WLG-NSN it would quickly become a bloodbath considering it is already the regional route in the country with the most competition. Air NZ and Sounds Air both currently fly it and Originair is joining next month. Considering that Sounds Air is well know in Nelson it is already hard for Airnz to offer flights higher than their $120 flat fare so any extra competition would only serve to further bring down prices and therefore yields. The only benefit for Jetstar over the small fry would be the connection possibilities with regional North Island destinations yet even then they have to compete with Airnz.

All good points however I don't think the thought of competing with Sounds and Originair would put Jetstar off the route. I imagine they might back themselves to have a go regardless. It's a busy route with a very large group of regular commuters so could have some long term appeal. I agree though, in the short term it would be an absolute blood bath. I'm not sure how well Sounds Air does out of Nelson, by all accounts from those who work there, it's not as strong as BHE or PCT.

Agree, Christchurch does offer more international connections, although WLG has a few which might work as well. Especially around middle of the day/mid afternoon JQ and QF departures. Having said that, if Jetstar choose to serve IVC for instance, then a NSN-CHC service would potentially tie it all together quite nicely. While I didn't mention it in my earlier post, I am assuming that if NSN does receive a Jetstar service, it would almost certainly include AKL flights.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[Edited 2015-08-16 19:35:03]

aerokiwi · Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:34 am

I kind of hope JQ rebuff AKL and cite the lack of terminal/gate space as the reason.

AIAL have milked the ramshackle, she'll-be-right terminals for too long. It's time they developed the integrated domestic/international facility. Personally, given the flightpath issues associated with domestic using a potential northern runway, I think they should rejig plans and develop the new domestic to the south east of the existing international terminal, between the existing international pier and the JQ domestic. Would ensure ready access for domestic to the main runway.

But of course this won't happen and we'll be stuck with the existing setup for years. I mean, buses to the Dash 8s... come on!

zkncj · Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:24 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 151):
Personally, given the flightpath issues associated with domestic using a potential northern runway, I think they should rejig plans and develop the new domestic to the south east of the existing international terminal, between the existing international pier and the JQ domestic

In Auckland Airports latest master plan, that's what there doing and the new runway is now going to be longer and for International use.

http://airportofthefuture.co.nz/

keen2fly · Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:08 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 152):
In Auckland Airports latest master plan, that's what there doing and the new runway is now going to be longer and for International use.

Yeah, but that plan is just a pipe dream at this point and the runway will initially be much too short for international operations. They've not committed yet to any definite start dates of construction to bring this plan to fruition. Regardless, I doubt the airport will look like that, the improvements will probably be drip-fed in watered-down stages. I'd be happy for them to prove me wrong on that, but I just can't see it happening.

NZ107 · Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:39 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 147):

Pity it's ridiculously expensive. I'd like to fly in a Saab into ZQN.. Might stick with NSN-DUD for a try.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 152):

Those plans were released last year.

Zkpilot · Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 152):
In Auckland Airports latest master plan, that's what there doing and the new runway is now going to be longer and for International use.

http://airportofthefuture.co.nz/

Good to see them switching the plan and having the domestic terminal on the South side of the terminal building.
It just makes sense since 95% of domestic flights are to the South from AKL and the space would have been relatively wasted otherwise (not set back far enough for widebody international aircraft etc).

aerokiwi · Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:03 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 152):
In Auckland Airports latest master plan, that's what there doing and the new runway is now going to be longer and for International use.

Oh ok thanks for that - nice to see the company at least be logical.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 155):
Good to see them switching the plan and having the domestic terminal on the South side of the terminal building.

Agreed, though it does look extremely small from the limited view in the video (I had problems viewing the PDF).

And, really, does anyone believ AIAL will go through with all of this? We've seen master plans come and go in the past. One can hope.

777ER · Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:13 am

Air New Zealand has launched a new $8 million aviation engineer education facility in Christchurch to draw in extra foreign students.

The national airline wants to boost international and domestic trainee numbers at the Orchard Rd facility located north of Christchurch Airport as international data shows increasing demand for aviation engineers

The facility would also allow the airline to conduct flight attendant regulatory training, group health training and security and employee wellbeing courses.

It also fitted in with Air New Zealand's signalled $3 billion investment over the next few years on aircraft including A320s, A321s and the ATR-600 fleet

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7122...-training-facility-in-christchurch

Nice picture of an ex Origin Pacific J31 in the background also.

zkojq · Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:55 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 145):
Those are some very impressive computer generated images!

As is this:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 156):
And, really, does anyone believ AIAL will go through with all of this?

Doubt it.....this is the same organisation that still is yet to build a covered walkway between International and Domestic.

Oh and they've closed the viewing deck, with no intention of opening another one landside. Great work AIAL!

zkncj · Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:39 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 158):
Oh and they've closed the viewing deck, with no intention of opening another one landside. Great work AIAL!

Seems to be an trend at AKL, they seem to like turning viewing decks in to Air New Zealand lounges.

In the current International lounge (end towards the shops) was the veiwing deck, then the new lounge has taken over the area from the current veiwing deck. Then at domestic the lounge was expanded onto the veiwing deck.

Zkpilot · Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 159):

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 158):
Oh and they've closed the viewing deck, with no intention of opening another one landside. Great work AIAL!

Seems to be an trend at AKL, they seem to like turning viewing decks in to Air New Zealand lounges.

Sure is a shame that they haven't replaced the viewing deck. Plenty of spaces for it.

777ER · Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:08 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 160):

Sadly viewing decks are now becoming a thing of the past for non flyers. Only way to view is now at the end of the runways or multi story parking garages

777ER · Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:17 am

Jetstar New Zealand op profitable for the first time:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20150820/pdf/430mz7qwnwyp30.pdf

ZKOJH · Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:05 pm

with only around 4 months to go until NZ start their 2 new international routes wonder if anyone has any idea's on how forward bookings are looking? maybe into the 2Q of 2016? and be interesting to see if the code shares with AR and UA are working for them..

zkncj · Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 162):

Jetstar New Zealand op profitable for the first time:

http://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20150820/pdf/430mz7qwnwyp30.pdf

How long does it last though? surely the start-up of PropStar will bleed them of an bit of oppex/cappex?

Or will Qantas hide the losses through the books of Qantas Link? then blame the tough regional market in Aussie?

zkojq · Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:04 pm

LAN sent a 787-9 today. CC-BGA.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 162):
Jetstar New Zealand op profitable for the first time:

So they've been running losses in NZ for six years? What a joke.

Planesmart · Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 165):
So they've been running losses in NZ for six years? What a joke.

Anti-competitive pricing and capacity by the dominant player would be a big part of the reason. Standby for the same tactics with Jetstar's regional expansion, and the other new regional players.

aerohottie · Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 166):
Anti-competitive pricing and capacity by the dominant player

Really? Air NZ derive most of their profit from domestic, so how is it anti competitive if NZ can make money at those prices? Jetstar is supposed to be a low-cost carrier and should have lower costs, enabling them to also profit on the same fare level...surely

zkncj · Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:22 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 167):
Jetstar is supposed to be a low-cost carrier and should have lower costs, enabling them to also profit on the same fare level...surely

Don't forget that NZ Regional was recently losing $1million/month which is part of the reason that the B1990s got cut.

NZ has an cost advantage over Jetstar Regional, ZK registered Q300 have 1FA and VH registered require 2FA for the same amount of passengers!

Mr AirNZ · Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:29 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 168):
Don't forget that NZ Regional was recently losing $1million/month which is part of the reason that the B1990s got cut.

Eagle was losing a million a month. Don't think for a second that applies to the 'regional' group as a whole.

aerorobnz · Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:48 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 168):
NZ has an cost advantage over Jetstar Regional, ZK registered Q300 have 1FA and VH registered require 2FA for the same amount of passengers!

NZ also has a heap more aircraft. Such sayings as "Might is right" and "possession is 9/10ths of the law" can apply when it comes to gate allocations at AKL. I expect carnage will ensue.

zkncj · Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:19 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 170):
NZ also has a heap more aircraft. Such sayings as "Might is right" and "possession is 9/10ths of the law" can apply when it comes to gate allocations at AKL. I expect carnage will ensue.

So true - as what is already seen in AKL with JQ get the leftovers of the Jet gates, while NZ gets 7 prime gates. Pretty much the same in any airport that Jetstar is currently operated in New Zealand.

Some I see JQ Regional is going to have an big problem with gate access in AKL,NSN,CHC where NZ is already commusing the terminals/gates to capacity.

aerorobnz · Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:37 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 171):
I see JQ Regional is going to have an big problem with gate access

Bare in mind that at all of these new points like NPL they will have to hire their own staff as the existing ground handlers have no intention of working for JQ. They will be in a prefabricated terminal as well due insufficient space for ground andling operations.

77west · Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 172):
as the existing ground handlers have no intention of working for JQ.

If they work for the airport, then it is not their decision and will handle whichever airline their employer tells them to handle.

If they work for AirNZ, and their company makes a deal to handle JQ, they will handle whichever airline their employer tells them to handle.

Note: I don't like JQ and have never flown them nor will I. I am just stating the truth.

[Edited 2015-08-21 02:06:55]

Andrensn · Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:22 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 171):
Some I see JQ Regional is going to have an big problem with gate access in AKL,NSN,CHC where NZ is already commusing the terminals/gates to capacity.

NSN: Gate access:No, Terminal Capacity:Yes.

NSN has 6 q300/atr sized gates at the terminal front along with 3 B1900/Caravan/Saab gates with additional gates at the ex-origin terminal and beside the Airnz maintainace hanger. Air NZ has in the past have NEVER used all 6 gates in normal operating conditions with the most typically seeing service at one time being 4 (still very rare - IIRC only Friday evening). On the other hand the terminal at NSN currently struggles with 3 full Q300's. This should change within the next two years as Nelson Airport Company is expanding the terminal to the north (into the grassy area/mini kids playground) to accommodate additional traffic. The other problem will be the availability of check in space at NSN however the airport is building 3 new check-in counters for the new airlines servicing Nelson 2 of which have been already constructed in time for origin-air's entry. NSN also has the option of relocating some airlines (probably the small fry due to lack of q300 sized gates) to the ex-origin terminal where Air2There currently operate from.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 172):
Bare in mind that at all of these new points like NPL they will have to hire their own staff as the existing ground handlers have no intention of working for JQ. They will be in a prefabricated terminal as well due insufficient space for ground andling operations.

I believe at NSN the ground handling is done by NSN airport - They also do Soundsair atm

[Edited 2015-08-21 02:25:41]

zkojq · Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:27 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 165):
LAN sent a 787-9 today. CC-BGA.

I managed to capture its first daylight arrival. Good looking plane.

Boeing 787-9 LAN CC-BGA landing @NZAA

Quoting Planesmart (Reply 166):
Anti-competitive pricing and capacity by the dominant player would be a big part of the reason.

Eh? With the exception of the odd grabaseat deal, Air New Zealand has always been much more expensive than JetStar on the main trunk routes.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 169):
Eagle was losing a million a month. Don't think for a second that applies to the 'regional' group as a whole.

If regional as a whole was losing that much, I doubt the airline would have bought all the new ATRs.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 164):
Or will Qantas hide the losses through the books of Qantas Link? then blame the tough regional market in Aussie?

NZ107 · Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 168):
NZ has an cost advantage over Jetstar Regional, ZK registered Q300 have 1FA and VH registered require 2FA for the same amount of passengers!

Wouldn't that be ironic.... Propstar having an astoundingly better FA:pax ratio than NZ!

aerorobnz · Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:58 am

Quoting 77west (Reply 173):
Note: I don't like JQ and have never flown them nor will I. I am just stating the truth.

I'm talking specifically of NPL but the same does apply to other airports too. I have been told they have already said no to JQ and Aerocare is to be set up to handle them. I trust the source of the information due to the position they hold.

Quoting 77west (Reply 173):
If they work for the airport, then it is not their decision and will handle whichever airline their employer tells them to handle.

They are third party suppliers with a few exceptions

777ER · Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:02 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 175):
Quoting Planesmart (Reply 166):Anti-competitive pricing and capacity by the dominant player would be a big part of the reason.
Eh? With the exception of the odd grabaseat deal, Air New Zealand has always been much more expensive than JetStar on the main trunk routes.

I've found NZs pricing to be petty good in relation to JQ, obviously except once the NZ flight starts filling up more then the fares rise

zkncj · Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 175):
Eh? With the exception of the odd grabaseat deal, Air New Zealand has always been much more expensive than JetStar on the main trunk routes.

With an bit of planning offten NZ is the same price (if you book an month out), its just that NZ sells its seats faster than Jestar. If you look at AKL-WLG on NZ just about every flight is 90-100% full.

Gasman · Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:03 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 173):
I don't like JQ and have never flown them nor will I. I am just stating the truth.

Maybe you should fly with them before passing judgement? As NZ is the New Zealand media's darling, and JQ the arch-demon, I wouldn't rely on what gets reported in the media to formulate an opinion.

I'm hardly a JQ frequent flyer myself, but the times I have flown with them I have found them to be professional, punctual and with an inflight product that is at least the equivalent of NZ's.

zkncj · Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:02 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 180):
I'm hardly a JQ frequent flyer myself, but the times I have flown with them I have found them to be professional, punctual and with an inflight product that is at least the equivalent of NZ's.

There are some differences in inflight product though, Jetstar charges for Tea/Coffee (and anything else). While NZ provides Tea/Coffee/Water plus an snack for free, just during PM weekeday peak wine and beer.

NZ also have space+ on the A320s, with an 34-35" seat pitch in the first 12 rows, something that Jetstar doesn't offer.

ZKOJH · Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:02 am

It seems the requested alliance with Air China has hit some problems. anyone got anymore updates??

"the CA alliance has not been approved. It's bad timing as the CX alliance is also due to renew shortly. It will be a tough sell to the regulator if they want both alliances to be approved at the same time. Perhaps they are weighing what to tell the regulator."

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-n...ts/1704577-alliance-air-china.html

interesting I left a message on the Air China Facebook page about this topic and they did not reply back.

ZKOJH · Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:19 am

"Air wars: Air New Zealand slashes fares ahead of Jetstar arrival"

Air New Zealand has fired some heavy shots in what's shaping up as an intense regional air fare war.

Figures show the airline slashed lead-in fares abruptly earlier this month just as Jetstar prepares to enter the market.

Air New Zealand has had a stranglehold on the regional aviation market for years and lead-in fares have dropped by up to 40 per cent on dozens of routes ahead of Jetstar's announcement next month of where it will fly.

Eight destinations are being considered by Jetstar for the initial launch phase: Hamilton, Rotorua, Tauranga, New Plymouth, Napier, Palmerston North, Nelson and Invercargill, with the first flights due to take off in December.

Grant Kerr, Jetstar head of New Zealand said the Air New Zealand response to his airline's planned services showed what competition brought to air travellers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11501709

777ER · Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:44 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 183):

NZ says the fare reduction is part of an early promise to reduce fares but you do have to question it considering the fact that JQ is announcing next month its new destinations/fares.

I'm not buying NZs claim here

Gasman · Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 184):
but you do have to question it considering the fact that JQ is announcing next month its new destinations/fares.

Which is kind of an understatement. You have to wonder why NZ even bother. Perhaps they think there's some old granny living in Nelson with jade status who responds "See!! Air New Zealand were going to reduce fares anyway!! Nothing to do with Jetstar!! I'm never flying that awful Australian airline now!! Yay for Morrie Davis!"

zkojq · Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:28 pm

Is ZK-NZC supposed to be delivered this Tuesday? I seem to remember the 25th being a significant date.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 178):
I've found NZs pricing to be petty good in relation to JQ,

Quoting zkncj (Reply 179):
With an bit of planning offten NZ is the same price (if you book an month out), its just that NZ sells its seats faster than Jestar. If you look at AKL-WLG on NZ just about every flight is 90-100% full.

Air New Zealand are pretty consistently $40 per sector less than the equivalent Air New Zealand 'Seat' fare on flights between AKL, CHC and WLG. I still choose Air New Zealand most of the time, despite the price difference.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 184):
NZ says the fare reduction is part of an early promise to reduce fares

I trust that they'll be doing the same on the North American monopoly routes, right?

Quoting gasman (Reply 185):
Which is kind of an understatement. You have to wonder why NZ even bother.

ZKOJH · Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:03 pm

interesting 2 media releases within hours of each other ;

"Auckland Airport profits up as passenger growth surges"

Auckland International Airport, the country's biggest gateway, beat its own guidance with a 3.8 percent gain in underlying annual earnings and said profit on that measure may rise as much as 8.3 percent in 2016.

Underlying profit, which excludes some revaluations of property and derivatives, rose to $176.4 million in the 12 months ended June 30, from $169.9 million a year earlier, the Auckland-based company said in a statement. Sales rose 6.9 percent to $508.5 million.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/auckland-a...icle.cfm?o_id=15&objectid=11501920

"Global markets worry NZ's biggest company"

Auckland Airport says global financial instability is tempering its outlook for the coming year.

The company, New Zealand's biggest by market capitalisation, says growth prospects were strong "as long as uncertainty overseas doesn't mean everyone catches a cold," said chief executive Adrian Littlewood.

The company beat its own guidance with a 3.8 percent gain in underlying annual earnings.

Underlying annual earnings may rise as much as 8.3 percent in 2016 to $191 million.
Littlewood said the 2014-15 year started slowly.

"We're just taking a prudent view at the start of the financial year. Last year was a lesson for us that things never end up working out as you think - I think we've got some uncertainty about how the summer will turn out exactly."

Airlines were not locking in summer schedules for a month or so.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/auckland-a...icle.cfm?o_id=15&objectid=11502017

777ER · Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:47 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 186):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 178):I've found NZs pricing to be petty good in relation to JQ,Quoting zkncj (Reply 179):With an bit of planning offten NZ is the same price (if you book an month out), its just that NZ sells its seats faster than Jestar. If you look at AKL-WLG on NZ just about every flight is 90-100% full.
Air New Zealand are pretty consistently $40 per sector less than the equivalent Air New Zealand 'Seat' fare on flights between AKL, CHC and WLG. I still choose Air New Zealand most of the time, despite the price difference.

Guess you book your flights very close to the departure date then as an NZ lead in fare of say $50 would make a JQ flight only $10? NZ and JQ start with the same lead in fare.

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 186):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 184):NZ says the fare reduction is part of an early promise to reduce fares
I trust that they'll be doing the same on the North American monopoly routes, right?

Well naturally NZ will respond when they see a threat coming

777ER · Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:50 pm

NZ have reduced IVC fares from $89 to $69 for CHC flights and $109 to $89 for WLG services.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/7...r-nz-cuts-invercargill-fare-prices

PA515 · Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 186):
Is ZK-NZC supposed to be delivered this Tuesday? I seem to remember the 25th being a significant date.

http://nyc787.blogspot.com says 25/08/2015.

Tue in SEA is Wed in AKL, so arrival Wed evening or Thu morning.

The 26th is also a significant date, the Air NZ 2015 Annual Result.

PA515

Gasman · Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 183):
"Air wars: Air New Zealand slashes fares ahead of Jetstar arrival"

Quoting 777ER (Reply 189):
NZ have reduced IVC fares from $89 to $69 for CHC flights and $109 to $89 for WLG services.

With this war brewing between the two big players, does anyone see any hope for Ewanstar?

Sylus · Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 191):
With this war brewing between the two big players, does anyone see any hope for Ewanstar?

Well to be honest, I doubt Ewan will go anywhere near Propstar or NZ. It's a virtual certainty that JQ will only serve regional airports from the 'Big Three' (WLG,AKL,CHC). With that being said, KRA will be limited to Regional to Regional routes, therefore it really comes down to the viability of such routes. NSN-DUD and NSN-HLZ will have to perform if Ewan wants to expand.

haggis73 · Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:49 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 186):
Is ZK-NZC supposed to be delivered this Tuesday? I seem to remember the 25th being a significant date.

From the info I have, NZC due AKL 0600 on the 27th, NZ6094.

Gasman · Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting Sylus (Reply 192):
NSN-HLZ will have to perform if Ewan wants to expand

NSN-HLZ. A literal goldmine just waiting to be tapped.

777ER · Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:03 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 191):

None of his planned routes are in direct competition with NZ or possible JQ routes, only competition is connecting NZ flights. NZ is going to have to look at what damage KRA could do to its connecting traffic like NSN-CHC-ZQN and adjust its fares if required.

zkncj · Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:59 am

NZ/CX to the approval to extend there alliance till October 2018 today by the New Zealand authorities - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU150...-strategic-agreement-to-extend.htm

aerokiwi · Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:15 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 196):
NZ/CX to the approval to extend there alliance till October 2018 today by the New Zealand authorities -

Amazing. At the same time we're seein the impact of competition on regional airfares, the authorities endorse a monopoly on a major route.

Idiots.

Gasman · Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:47 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 197):
Amazing. At the same time we're seein the impact of competition on regional airfares, the authorities endorse a monopoly on a major route.

Idiots.

Self serving, and short sighted. It suits NZ, who would be road kill on a route like AKL-HKG without some sort of cosiness. But ultimately, making all these free market waivers to protect NZ does not suit the New Zealand traveler well.

The Commerce Commission is just as bad. Level playing field, as long as NZ is more level than others (getting Orwellian for a moment).

xiaotung · Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:01 am

Quote:
“This alliance has ensured the airlines work together on tourism and marketing initiatives so travellers can continue to benefit from more seats, improved flight schedules, shorter connection times, and reciprocal frequent flyer schemes," Bridges said in a separate statement.

It's truly amazing comments like this can be made by the regulator. Apart from the limited reciprocal frequent flyer benefits, any of those other things he said can easily have been achieved by CX without the alliance.

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