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IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:54 am

Iberia will fly their upcoming A330-200 aircraft to Panama City, Guatemala City, Montevideo and Santo Domingo in Q1 year.

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oneWorld member IBERIA this week has outlined planned Airbus A330-200 operation, due to enter service in Northern winter 2015/16 season. As of 30JUL15, planned IBERIA A330-200 operation as follow.

eff 01JAN16 Madrid – Panama City 1 weekly (one-off flight). 2 weekly (Day 45) from 04FEB16, 1 weekly (Day 5) from 04MAR16
eff 02JAN16 Madrid – Guatemala City 1 weekly (Day 6), 2 weekly (Day 16) from 01FEB16
eff 03JAN16 Madrid – Montevideo 1 weekly (Day 7/1), 5 weekly from 03FEB16
eff 05JAN16 Madrid – Santo Domingo 4 weekly (Day x167) until 31JAN16. 6 weekly (Day x1) from 01MAR16

The aircraft will have 288 seats: 19x J and 269x Y.

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http://airlineroute.net/2015/07/30/ib-332-w15update1/
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:17 am

Are these all A343 routes? I was hoping the Miami would be an early route for purely selfish reasons  
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 1):
Are these all A343 routes?

The first three are mainly A343 routes (sometimes A346 as well), Santo Domingo is served by A333 equipment.
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:31 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
The aircraft will have 288 seats: 19x J and 269x Y.

excellent configuration making full use of the available on board real estate !
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:52 am

Is now Guatemala non-stop? It used to be MAD-GUA-SJO-MAD or even MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD. I think, at least the A340, had problems with GUA being so high...
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:17 pm

Quoting eielef (Reply 4):
Is now Guatemala non-stop? It used to be MAD-GUA-SJO-MAD or even MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD. I think, at least the A340, had problems with GUA being so high...

Wasn't GUA a triangular route with PTY when IB upgraded SJO to a daily nonstop?
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:41 pm

I hope Iberia will launch more routes in LATAM with those A330: San Pedro Sula + Managua (triangular), Asuncion, Santa Cruz de la Sierra (maybe both in a triangular), Monterrey, Cordoba (maybe tagged to MVD) or Brasilia.
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
excellent configuration making full use of the available on board real estate !

Very little cabin in Business but I guess that is what demands dictates, so basically the routes with the A346 are the one with the big Business potential,

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 6):
I hope Iberia will launch more routes in LATAM with those A330: San Pedro Sula + Managua (triangular), Asuncion, Santa Cruz de la Sierra (maybe both in a triangular), Monterrey, Cordoba (maybe tagged to MVD) or Brasilia.

I think we will see some of them, but I am not sure when, SAP and Managua are very small markets even for a few weekly flights.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 1):
Are these all A343 routes? I was hoping the Miami would be an early route for purely selfish reasons  

I think if MIA goes to A330, it will go to A333 because of feeding with AA and also because the range of the A332 could be use better in other routes.
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:31 pm

I would have said that business demand to Panama was higher. I'm not surprised that such configuration is used for GUA, MVD or SDQ. I see HAV or UIO/GYE coming next, and maybe LAX, mainly because the A332s come to replace the A343s, although I guess that more business class seats are needed for that route.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 1):
Are these all A343 routes? I was hoping the Miami would be an early route for purely selfish reasons

I'd say that premium demand is high enough to MIA to require the A333s with 36J seats.

Quoting eielef (Reply 4):
Is now Guatemala non-stop? It used to be MAD-GUA-SJO-MAD or even MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD. I think, at least the A340, had problems with GUA being so high...
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Wasn't GUA a triangular route with PTY when IB upgraded SJO to a daily nonstop?

Nowadays, IB routes to Central America are:
1 daily MAD-PTY-MAD
1 daily MAD-SJO-MAD
4 weekly MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD

Runway limitations at GUA prevents non-stop GUA-MAD operations.
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:36 pm

I can see them popping up on the MAD-LHR late afternoon flight when they can't fill the A346s
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:38 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
I think if MIA goes to A330, it will go to A333 because of feeding with AA and also because the range of the A332 could be use better in other routes.

I hope so, I am booking on the A343 in March next year...cmon IB, swap it to anything else 
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting mfc (Reply 8):
1 daily MAD-PTY-MAD
1 daily MAD-SJO-MAD

I see, so PTY went nonstop as well.

Quoting mfc (Reply 8):
4 weekly MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD

Runway limitations at GUA prevents non-stop GUA-MAD operations.

The runway at GUA isn't so much the problem IMO, as SJO has a runway virtually the same length (GUA 9800 ft vs SJO 9882 ft). The problem is the altitude with close to 5000 ft. SJO is also at altitude at 3021 ft, but it seems it isn't that big of a problem.
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:40 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 8):
I would have said that business demand to Panama was higher. I'm not surprised that such configuration is used for GUA, MVD or SDQ. I see HAV or UIO/GYE coming next, and maybe LAX, mainly because the A332s come to replace the A343s, although I guess that more business class seats are needed for that route.

Perhaps the A332 would be a good a/c for LAX during the slower Autumn/Winter seasons? With this, perhaps IAG can keep MAD-LAX year round?

Quoting mfc (Reply 8):
Runway limitations at GUA prevents non-stop GUA-MAD operations.

Wouldn't the 787-8 be a good a/c for the routes that fly into airports with challenges? GUA, SAL? Didn't they upgrade SJO to the A346 so they wouldn't have a problem with this?
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:11 am

Quoting eielef (Reply 4):
Is now Guatemala non-stop? It used to be MAD-GUA-SJO-MAD or even MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD.

Guatemala City - Madrid has never operated as non-stop, given the altitude issues at GUA.
Right up to October 2010, it had been programmed as the triangular IB MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD.
However, the dedicated KL AMS-PTY put a lot of pressure in the [Panama City - Europe] market and the Spaniard airline split that service, in favor of non-stop flights on IB PTY-MAD with limited weekly flights.
They gradually increased their frequencies up to 7x weekly afterwards.
As a result, GUA-SAL was coupled in 2010, resulting in the current IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD 4x weekly segment.




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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Wasn't GUA a triangular route with PTY when IB upgraded SJO to a daily nonstop?

Yes.
During the past ten years, IB has operated many triangular Central American routes on board 340 aircrafts:
IB MAD-GUA-SJO-MAD
IB MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD
IB MAD-SJO-PTY-MAD
IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD **still in service.

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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:08 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):

It would be interesting to see if LAX service goes back to year round with these new A332s. With such a dense cabin configuration they might make work the route during winter, selling Y seats at low prices and only having to sell 19 J seats at premium prices. Two years ago when the route went seasonal, the A343s used had 36J/218Y seats, which is very different than an A332 with 19J/268Y.

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 10):
I hope so, I am booking on the A343 in March next year...cmon IB, swap it to anything else

IB mostly uses A333s on the MIA route, it has been a long time since I last saw an A343 going to MIA.
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:34 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
Wouldn't the 787-8 be a good a/c for the routes that fly into airports with challenges?

If it wasn't for IB mainline being all-Airbus, probably. Maybe an A330-200NEO would be the solution, unless they order the A350.
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:33 am

IAG say in slide 21 of today's results presentation they are due to convert options for five more A330-200s into firm orders next week:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...VHlwZT0z&t=1&cb=635738849203181968
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting laca773 (Reply 12):
Wouldn't the 787-8 be a good a/c for the routes that fly into airports with challenges? GUA, SAL? Didn't they upgrade SJO to the A346 so they wouldn't have a problem with this?

It technically would, but adding a new type for just 4 routes probably isn't going to happen: it's probably easier to just carry less payload.
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:38 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 14):
IB mostly uses A333s on the MIA route, it has been a long time since I last saw an A343 going to MIA.

I thought this too, but the evening flight switches to A343 mid March next year (I am confirmed on it and have selected my seat, it is certainly the A343 seat map). I wonder, is this just a case of the S15 schedule not being confirmed yet?
 
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:48 am

Quoting Armodeen (Reply 18):
I thought this too, but the evening flight switches to A343 mid March next year (I am confirmed on it and have selected my seat, it is certainly the A343 seat map). I wonder, is this just a case of the S15 schedule not being confirmed yet?

I see. I have no idea, but I'd say that changes remain possible. If you end up flying the A343 anyway, don't forget to bring a laptop/tablet with lots of entertainment content, you will have power outlets at least!
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:43 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
excellent configuration making full use of the available on board real estate !

Is it me, or is that quite dense for a full-service airline A330-200?
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RE: IB Outlines A330-200 Operation

Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:21 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 20):
Is it me, or is that quite dense for a full-service airline A330-200?

Comes very close to this:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...lin/Air_Berlin_Airbus_A330-200.php

Same number of business seats (even very same seat, if I'm not mistaken).
just 10 economy seats less.
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