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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:00 am

Quoting Coal (Reply 148):

Unfortunately no pics !
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:30 am

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 150):
Unfortunately no pics !

Assume because it will be easily identifiable as the Malaysian aircraft.....
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:39 am

A picture contained in this article, of the part wrapped and being transported...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...ortedly-found-on-reunion-1.2304809
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:41 am

No door apparently, but much smaller - from the now updated SKY article:

He said it was taken away by police in a box that was about one foot (30cm) square.... It was earlier thought that the object found was the door of a plane, but Bowden said that could now not be confirmed.

[Edited 2015-08-02 01:43:24]
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:42 am

Quoting Part147 (Reply 152):
A picture contained in this article, of the part wrapped and being transported...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...ortedly-found-on-reunion-1.2304809

That's misleading. I am pretty certain that this is the wooden crate in which the flaperon was transported to France. The new part has just been found.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:05 am

Quoting Karadion (Reply 149):
Do you expect everyone to be informed about everything aviation wise? That's kind of a high bar you're asking for. It's one thing you're asking enthusiast to be on the look for something but it's another when there's 99.99% of people that just don't care.

Most people in Madagascar and East Africa will never set a foot on an airplane, simply because they can't afford rthe flight. So why should they bother? Think that the people most likely to find the debris will be fishermen operating from small boats (canoes) from the shore.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 155):

It's not only that, it's just that there's a ton of garbage in the ocean which plane debris will be treated like any other garbage.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:24 am

Réunion is a fairly small island and I would think some debris would pass it by. Are steps being made to warn people to be aware of the possibility of finding debris on Mauritius, Madagascar or indeed even eastern South Africa?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:35 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 144):
Quoting Karadion (Reply 146):

The notorious Daily Mail website is being slightly cautious about the claims of an aircraft door being found:

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Police have urged caution after it was rumoured a plane door had been found washed up on the shores of the idyllic Indian Ocean island, as yet more wreckage is discovered.

Authorities in Reunion have laughed off reports of a plane door being found, but officers were today on the beach collecting more debris - including some with Malaysian and Chinese writing - which could have come from MH370.
Quoting jetfuel (Reply 144):
Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 147):

I think it's not hard to imagine that MH370 debris - particularly baggage or clothing - may have been washed up on Reunion or elsewhere and not have been recognised. The Malaysian,Chinese, and Australian authorities have been concentrating on a search for the aircraft rather than thinking about where the debris might go. The reports that someone has cleaned up and burned suitcases and seats found on the beach are easy to believe.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:44 am

RUN is a French overseas departement and as such lives up to western standards; any debris washing past it will come ashore on the east coast of Africa, where people have other things at their mind than help in the search for an MH aircraft and its disappearance of which they have most likely never heard of and probably don't care about. When you are struggling to make a living and survive on a daily basis almost, all of this MH search stuff is just fanciful entertainment for rich people on the other side of the globe.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:48 am

Quoting theaviator380 (Reply 147):
Something is not right. This incidence happened 18 months ago, authorities roughly knew aircraft ended up southward. Experts already had data which suggest they knew ocean current and area where debris likely to washed up?

Despite of them, how come authorities didn't inform local authority in the areas such as Madagascar, Mauritius and rest islands that alert people for any sort of washed up debris??

Just don't get it.

That would be plausible to let everyone know, the problem is that the oceans is full of debris from ships and the locals would have been used to clearing stuff that isn't identifiable to them from their beaches. The person that found the part is the head of the crew that cleans up the beach. You wouldn't need a crew if there wasn't any rubbish washing up all the time on the beach.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:01 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 155):
Most people in Madagascar and East Africa will never set a foot on an airplane, simply because they can't afford rthe flight. So why should they bother? Think that the people most likely to find the debris will be fishermen operating from small boats (canoes) from the shore.

Reunion isn't some Third World country. It's just another part of France.

Compared with the USA, for example, it has a far superior health system and outcomes (such as infant mortality and life expectancy). But saliently for this matter, a far smaller proportion of people live below the poverty line than in the USA. Reunion is quite similar to the eastern parts of Germany in terms of its development - the former DDR.

The people of Reunion are just as likely to have Pay-TV as other European citizens, just as connected to radio, newspapers and other media.

You comments may have been applicable to those other places byt they really don't apply to where the wreckage has washed up. The main issue as I see it is that people are used to junk and garbage washing up and just weren't looking out for airplane wreckage.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:22 am

If these bit now bits turn out to be true then yes Reply 190 is 100% right. They knew the current patterns and timings. This and any other land mass should have been quietly alerted so the obvious beaches were monitored for exactly this occurrence
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:03 am

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:18 am

ap305 That photo does not appear to be aviation related. It looks like part of a child's pram or something domestic like that.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:20 am

Quoting awthompson (Reply 164):
ap305 That photo does not appear to be aviation related. It looks like part of a child's pram or something domestic like that.

That's what i thought too... Looks like they do not yet have a picture of the supposed door.

[Edited 2015-08-02 04:22:44]
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:22 am

Looks similar to newer aircraft seats, but the one fitted to MH 777s are "retro"
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 166):

Looks similar to newer aircraft seats, but the one fitted to MH 777s are "retro"

Neither is that photo part of an aircraft seat and most likely not aviation related at all. It appears to be cut aluminum sheet with very simple amateur rivets. As I said, a child's pram or other domestic low end junk, at best a bag or suitcase looking at that handle.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:37 am

Quoting awthompson (Reply 164):
That photo does not appear to be aviation related. It looks like part of a child's pram or something domestic like that.

I notice the Chinese writing engraved into the object.

If it is not aviation-related, perhaps it could be cargo-related given the demographics of the passenger list?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:41 am

Looks like the characters are 兴直 (xingzhi).

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:45 am

兴直 is not making much sense to me right now. Straight desire or straight eagerness. Will ask my wife when she's back.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:49 am

I didn't say it was, just said it looked similar, probably why they are getting excited over it.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:51 am

OK sorry the characters are 兴宜 not 兴直 as I originally thought, so xingyi, not xingzhi. Still, not making a lot of sense to me unless it's a brand name without a proper meaning.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:57 am

Doing a quick google search and thinking this is some brandname, it looks like it's from a Taiwanese company called Xing Yi Precision Machinery Laser Co. Ltd. or 兴宜雷射精机股份有限公司.

Trying to find if this company is at all related to aviation.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:59 am

Whatever the Chinese sign mean - why would a US built and Malaysian operated aircraft have information engraved in Chinese?
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:01 pm

If that photo is what is reported to be an "aircraft door", then it's very disappointing.

The BBC report states "The object, believed to be the door of an aircraft, was discovered just south of the city of St Denis.
It is said to have writing on it and possibly some illustration"

I see that the metal object in the picture has some Chinese characters, but it would not be part of a Boeing aircraft door or part thereof...

I guess this could well be a red herring, but good that they are looking for more debris as some may actually turn out to be from MH370. At the very least there must be other flaps or similar.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:04 pm

Can't find any more info on this 兴宜 company. If it is this Taiwanese company, then unless the Taiwanese are making parts for Boeing (are they?) it's probably not a part of the aircraft. It could be one of the belongings of the passengers though...

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:24 pm

It seems significant to me that the Chinese characters are in simplified format (as used in Mainland China), not the traditional characters used in Taiwan.

This suggests that the object, whatever it is, is probably not of Taiwanese origin.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:31 pm

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b/049&opt=0

The part found some days ago is now confirmed to be from a 777.


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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:45 pm

Wouldn't be too much to assume it's one of the Chinese passengers belongings...
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:49 pm

To be honest, that is, given the amout of junk floating in the Indian Ocean, as likely as any other junk washed ashore belonging to a passenger of MH370 (statistically very unlikely) or someone else (statistically much more likely).
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:52 pm

I think we can put this to rest:

Quote:
Malaysian director general of civil aviation Azharuddin Abdul Rahman - who is leading the investigation in France - has dismissed all speculation over today's finds.

'I read all over media it (the new debris) was part of a door. But I checked with the Civil Aviation Authority, and people on the ground in Reunion, and it was just a domestic ladder,' he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...2f39h
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:35 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 163):

The item in that photo looks very much like a bashed up cooking pot or tea pot, something like that.
In all likelihood it was chucked overboard from a ship.
It would be surprising if it is aircraft related; they are pretty rough rivets.
Why it would float is of course a different question; that is if it was swept ashore at all.
The item in the background seems to be a separate item, i.e. not related.

Edit: Choice of better word

[Edited 2015-08-02 06:38:41]
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:51 pm

That object in that picture looks like it was once a kettle, see the slight blackening on what looks like the brown handle attached with rivets. To my mind, this doesn't look like aviation related debris based on this one picture.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:54 pm

As per the Avherald article linked below, the part found today was a domestic ladder.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b/049&opt=0

"On Aug 2nd 2015 a new media frenzy occurred when highly reputed media and yellow press reported another aircraft part, an aircraft door, had been found. Malaysia's Ministry of Transport as well as Reunion Police identified that part as a domestic ladder and said, other debris also found so far have nothing to do with an aircraft."
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:00 pm

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 161):
Reunion isn't some Third World country. It's just another part of France.

Compared with the USA, for example, it has a far superior health system and outcomes (such as infant mortality and life expectancy). But saliently for this matter, a far smaller proportion of people live below the poverty line than in the USA. Reunion is quite similar to the eastern parts of Germany in terms of its development - the former DDR.

The people of Reunion are just as likely to have Pay-TV as other European citizens, just as connected to radio, newspapers and other media.

You comments may have been applicable to those other places byt they really don't apply to where the wreckage has washed up. The main issue as I see it is that people are used to junk and garbage washing up and just weren't looking out for airplane wreckage.

La Réunion is a French overseas department. This is explicitely why I didn't list it. But it is just a small island. Those people on the big coast stretches of Madagascar and East Africa are mostly poor.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting Skyguy (Reply 183):
That object in that picture looks like it was once a kettle, see the slight blackening on what looks like the brown handle attached with rivets. To my mind, this doesn't look like aviation related debris based on this one picture.

Yes to me it looks like a water kettle too.
Of course right now everything found on the shore is potentially from MH370, but there is so much junk in the ocean, that it can be everything!
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:20 pm

Quoting cougar15 (Reply 131):
This is my fear also, as mentioned in the previous thread! Heck 744´s and 748´s have been known to ´drop´ bits n pieces for years!

I realize this is going back a bit now, but I just want to reply so nobody else misinterprets what I said. I was specifically talking about the guy who claims he threw out and burned a bunch of stuff he "now realizes" was probably from MH370. I don't believe that story.

MH370 was a huge story for a long time, all over the world. So a bunch of full luggage starts washing up on shore - you're just going to burn it and not tell anyone? That's what I'm not buying.

Anyway, the flaperon I'm pretty sure *will* check out as being from MH370.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting Karadion (Reply 124):
Are you sure about that? I used WB051, a United 777-200ER, as a baseline which I made a number of snippets that shows the difference of 557 and 657.
UAL Aircraft Maintenance Manual
Chapter 6 Dimensions and Areas
557-UAL
657-UAL
UAL-Major Zones
UAL Subzones
Chapter 27 Flight Controls
UAL-Chapter 27-Zones
And the list goes on.
This would match exactly what is in the MAS Aircraft Maintenance Manual for the 777-200ER.

If you can point to me what manual you're looking at and what page, that would be helpful.

Looking at the sUAL AMM for the Flaperons, it looks correct, but the sCO AMM for the 777 Flaperons looked incorrect the other day, and had the wrong panel numbers for the right Flaperon depicted. It has now been corrected and looks right, just like the sUAL AMM. Found another sentence where a mix up of panel numbers for left or right Flaperon were mixed up. It gets corrected quickly.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:49 pm

Quoting LXLucien (Reply 186):
Yes to me it looks like a water kettle too.

Agreed. And the long(ish) straight item, out of focus, in the back, may well be from a collapsible step ladder.

But then, how did those items float?

They probably didn't, they must have fallen off the back of a pick-up truck; and journalists take them to be aircraft components. You get that ....
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:43 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 185):
La Réunion is a French overseas department. This is explicitely why I didn't list it. But it is just a small island. Those people on the big coast stretches of Madagascar and East Africa are mostly poor.

It's more than that.

My nom de plume on this site gives away my own French overseas background. And there is a clear reason why people on Reunion almost certainly spent months failing to notice parts of the Malaysian aircraft.

The French overseas departments, territories and "countries" receive their TV directly from Paris via satellite. A person living on Martinique knows nothing about his neighbours on Barbados, 140 miles away, but could probably tell you if the weather in Paris is bad that day or if there is a traffic jam there.

And a person on Reunion has pretty much zero in common with a person from Mauritius, also 140 miles away. So the news and current affairs to which they are exposed are completely detached from where they actually live, and are completely Paris-centric.

So if they had somehow walked past a piece of the aircraft embossed with the words "Malaysia Airlines" they probably STILL would have failed to make the connection.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:24 am

Quoting WarrenPlatts (Reply 14):
Disagree. Cf. Pihero's post above. In a ditching, overall velocity will be lower, engines will hit first, absorbing some more momentum, then the flaperon which will be down will hit the water before the wing, therefore, the shear force relative to the wing will be to the back, and will therefore get ripped off before the wing hits the water. Therefore, there will be no impact between the front of the flaperon and the wing. The rearmost, weakest part of the flaperon will hit first, explaining the damage to the rear portion of the flaperon.

I think that would be possible result from a perfect, flat ditching. I look at Ethiopian 961 as an example of how wrong things can go in a ditching attempt. Even if it landed perfectly, the engines would tear off and there is no telling where the debris would contact the wings, if at all.

There are so many possibilities as to how the plane entered the water, and what it would take to shear off the flaperon. I'm certainly not going to contradict Pihero but the staggering number of ways that a wing could hit the ocean, makes me reluctant to hazard a guess about how the plane entered the water, just by the damage on the flaperon.

961 almost did a wings level ditching but ended up in thousands of pieces. The right wingtip was pointed straight up when it came off and was spinning along the long axis before it hit the water.

I'm not a metallurgist but I have broken a lot of stuff, accidentally and by design and investigated failures on some sophisticated devices so I am not unfamiliar with various failure modes.

I have no doubt that the forensic investigators can tell us a great deal from what will surely be extensive analysis of every square centimeter of the flaperon...and I am prepared to be surprised the the conclusions.

What amazes me the most is how intact the flaperon is.

As for the CVR, with the data density of memory chips, I am surprised the recorder only has 30 minutes of high quality recording. I can store hours of high quality video on my phone's tiny 64Gb micro SD card. You could cram dozens of these as backup within the recorder module.

While they can't survive long in salt water, they are designed to withstand 500g's and being run over by a 5 ton truck. Waterproofing them just can't be all that tough. Some oilfield wireline tools are full of otherwise delicate electronics which can withstand the pressures down a 5000 meter well filled with fluid with a significantly higher specific gravity than water, and some of those electronics are exposed to the drilling fluid, which can be corrosive and conductive. Yet they survive.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:39 am

ok. Can someone give differences between US1549 landing in the Hudson to what could have happened if MH370 had made a perfect ditching in the Indian Ocean? Would the size of the plane have made a difference as to if the plane had broken apart? I hope you guys understand what I'm going for here.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:48 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 192):
ditching in the Indian Ocean?

Ocean. That means waves, no shallow water. So this makes a ditching extremely hard already.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:54 am

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 190):
And a person on Reunion has pretty much zero in common with a person from Mauritius, also 140 miles away. So the news and current affairs to which they are exposed are completely detached from where they actually live, and are completely Paris-centric.

So if they had somehow walked past a piece of the aircraft embossed with the words "Malaysia Airlines" they probably STILL would have failed to make the connection.

I see what you are saying here - it is easy to be completely detached from the immediate surroundings on these French overseas departments. But French stations were carrying the news of MH370 last year and the disappearance was big news in the Mascarenes too, so I'm sure if a person in Reunion or Mauritius found something with Malaysia Airlines written on it on the beach, they would have handed it in to the authorities. French channels for example were carrying way more news about MH370 than MBC (Mauritius).

I'd also be wary of making the comparison of the French Caribbean relationship with other Caribbean islands and Reunion with Mauritius. Mauritians and Reunionnais have a lot in common (more probably than Martinique and Barbados) primarily because of course, Mauritius and Reunion are both Francophone. Whilst Mauritius is not French (anymore) it has a lot of similarities with Reunion (language, music, food etc). In Mauritius too, many people just watch French satellite television and are therefore also very Paris-centric in their news.
 
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:02 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 192):
ok. Can someone give differences between US1549 landing in the Hudson to what could have happened if MH370 had made a perfect ditching in the Indian Ocean? Would the size of the plane have made a difference as to if the plane had broken apart? I hope you guys understand what I'm going for here.

Did you read the other parts of this thread?
You missed this link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-btx89GUFYM

I think it says a lot about landing in an ocean.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:27 am

Quoting axelesgg (Reply 195):
Quoting rj777 (Reply 192):ok. Can someone give differences between US1549 landing in the Hudson to what could have happened if MH370 had made a perfect ditching in the Indian Ocean? Would the size of the plane have made a difference as to if the plane had broken apart? I hope you guys understand what I'm going for here.

Did you read the other parts of this thread?You missed this link:www.youtube.com/watch?v=-btx89GUFYMI think it says a lot about landing in an ocean.

That footage looks like it was taken during bad weather.

The Indian Ocean has calm seas too  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCEOxqne23E
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:18 pm

Ditching wouldn't be out of the question, even in bad weather. A smaller airplane (P-3) with a comparable to higher ditching speed, with a prop out of control, went down off Adak Alaska in 12-20 ft wave heights with 43 knots of wind. All but one of the crew got out of the airplane and most lived to tell about it.

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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:41 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 196):

Then I know too little, can't answer whats the most "normal" weather at Indian Ocean. But imagine that as worst case scenario, contrasts from Hudson river.
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RE: Aircraft Flap Found In La Réunion (RUN) Part 3

Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:42 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 66):
Are radio signals that affected by water depth?

If you have a newer GoPro, you can try this yourself ... stick the thing in its waterproof housing, and see how well the wifi works when you put the camera in a bucket of water.

Answer : not at all.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 142):
Why does it take until Wednesday before the analysis of the flaperon begins with literally the whole world awaiting results with bated breath?

It's August. Most of France is probably at the beach.

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 191):
I think that would be possible result from a perfect, flat ditching. I look at Ethiopian 961 as an example of how wrong things can go in a ditching attempt. Even if it landed perfectly, the engines would tear off and there is no telling where the debris would contact the wings, if at all.

I think I remember reading somewhere that either one of the engines or a wingtip struck a reef when 961 touched down.

This immediately broke the wing off, and the other wing, still generating lift, flipped the plane over.

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