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BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:02 pm

http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...ocks-away-at-heathrow-maintenance/

BA is sure having some aircraft issues lately.Guess someone has a lot of paperwork to write up.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:08 pm

A million of dollar damage engine! Jeesh! BA is unhappy to pay repair or replace engine.

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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:16 pm

Somebody is going to have a few questions to answer...
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:21 pm

How did it get into the engine ? Sound to me some MX person was not following proper procedures.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:37 pm

I know those engines are powerful, but I didn't think it was an oversized Hoover vacuum!
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:42 pm

Somebody must have left one lying around inside the run pen.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 1:42 pm

Wow, very unfortunate for BA. I hope the aircraft is back in service soon.


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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:52 pm

Well that sounds like an expensive repair bill   I'm guessing it would result in an change of engine and the damaged one being sent to the repair shop...just my uneducated guess that it will get the frame back in the air sooner to swap out the engine than to perform the needed repairs on the wing?
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:29 pm

Ouch!

Will the engine have to be replaced? If not, congratulations RR. A wheel chock is no duck. It's much harder. A bird is made up of water to a large extent.

Regards.

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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:41 pm

Quoting rj777 (Reply 4):
I know those engines are powerful, but I didn't think it was an oversized Hoover vacuum!

Really? Why do you think a lot of airports have big red striped semi-circles painted on the ramp areas in front of where the engines will be when the aircraft is parked at a gate? Anything in those areas can be sucked up especially if the engine above idle power!
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:52 pm

I've walked past the run pen with a 747 in it at full power. What a sound!

[Edited 2015-08-01 10:03:26]
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:13 pm

Quoting mwhcvt (Reply 7):
just my uneducated guess that it will get the frame back in the air sooner to swap out the engine than to perform the needed repairs on the wing?

Absolutely. They will do an engine change and send the damaged engine to the shop. It's possible the damage would be limited to the fan, which can be swapped relatively easy on-wing, but considering it ingested an entire chock, I'd guess there's likely core damage as well, which will require a shop visit.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:28 pm

This is just shoddy work. Or is it due to tiredness on the part of the engineers? A few weeks ago there was the report on the engine cowlings not being secured due to two engineers working too long. Is there a huge shortage of trained engineers that airlines are now over working the ones they have?
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:06 pm

Who said it was a BA staff member? I heard a rummer it was RR and the Chock was used instead of the correct equipment to hold the blades in place for a inspection. They forgot to remove it before engine runs.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:10 pm

Quoting Lofty (Reply 13):
Who said it was a BA staff member?

Looking back at the posts, no one said that.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:21 pm

You are correct no one did say it but!

The engine did not get replaced.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:39 pm

Quoting Lofty (Reply 13):
Who said it was a BA staff member? I heard a rummer it was RR and the Chock was used instead of the correct equipment to hold the blades in place for a inspection. They forgot to remove it before engine runs.

While the bottom of the 2-3 Nacelle is 3.4ft from the ground and the inlet being a little higher that would make sense or using the inlet as storage shelf while positioning for a run up.
I think it would be hard to overlook the chock laying on the ground in front of the engine.

Here is a list of A380 planning dimensions (not engineering) which is nice to have.


http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi...data/AC/Airbus-AC-A380-Dec2014.pdf

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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:52 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 2):
Somebody is going to have a few questions to answer...
Quoting EI320 (Reply 2):
How did it get into the engine ? Sound to me some MX person was not following proper procedures.
Quoting Lofty (Reply 13):
Who said it was a BA staff member?

And the winner is Lofty...

Quoting Lofty (Reply 13):
I heard a rummer it was RR and the Chock was used instead of the correct equipment to hold the blades in place for a inspection. They forgot to remove it before engine runs.

That's exactly how I heard it happened too.

Was told RR were working on the engine, carrying out tests, and used a chock(for what ever reason) to stop the blades spinning on #1., instead of the correct piece of equipment.
More work was required, hence the Engine run in the pen, but unfortunately, the RR engineer forgot to remove the chock.

Quoting Lofty (Reply 15):
The engine did not get replaced.

Really...?, I saw the spare at the back of the hangar, waiting for replacement,...surprised it wasn't needed.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 12):
Or is it due to tiredness on the part of the engineers?
Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 12):
This is just shoddy work.
Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 12):
A few weeks ago there was the report on the engine cowlings not being secured due to two engineers working too long.

Very Interesting how people jump to conclusions on here...

Even that report you are referring to was about an incident over two years ago.
Maybe, the engineers wanted to work those extra hours...?

Anyway.... at the end of the day, no one was hurt, only someone's professional pride.

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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:29 pm

Should the pilot walk around inspection not have helped them avoid this..
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:38 pm

Quoting cc2314 (Reply 18):
Should the pilot walk around inspection not have helped them avoid this..

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they just have mechanic or engineer at the controls during maintenance.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:41 pm

Quoting cc2314 (Reply 18):
Should the pilot walk around inspection not have helped them avoid this

According to the data sheet the bottom of 1-4 is 6.2 ft. So the actual inlet has to be at least 7ft plus obviously sitting back a distance to the fan blades.
That sounds well above someone of normal height line of sight to see the bottom of the blades.

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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:47 pm

Ah the engine height didnt think of that..I can see them coming up with a proceedure to avoid this happening again.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:57 pm

So this has me kind of curious, we have all seen the videos of large birds being put through the engines and they more or less get diced up and spit out the back, but what exactly happens when something that cant necessarily be chopped up like a bird such as a hard, somewhat large, and heavy chock? Does it have the potential to cause catastrophic failure? or is it possible that it hit a few blades and was tossed back forward and out of the engine?
So, in other words, what kind of damage was done to this engine and the chock?
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:34 pm

The aircraft (G–XLEC) is already back in service. Currently enroute JNBLHR.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:07 am

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 22):
Does it have the potential to cause catastrophic failure? or is it possible that it hit a few blades and was tossed back forward and out of the engine?
So, in other words, what kind of damage was done to this engine and the chock?

Wild guess is that the fan was wedged by the chock in such a manner that the fan never moved and built any inertia or dislodged and fell into the bypass air stream before any serious damage during start.
That is an assumption since the airplane went right back into service according to this thread.

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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:52 am

It's BA... nothing wrong with going on three engines instead of four. Big grin

[Edited 2015-08-01 17:57:44]
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:58 am

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 25):
It's BA... nothing wrong with going on three engines instead of four. 

At BA, they're so good they don't need any engines at all!  
Quote:
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."

Well, keep calm and carry on.  
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:18 am

I guess that having forgotten a chock in the nacelle is the most likely explanation, cages to block FODs are always applied in front of the engines when they do engine runs... Whoever the fault was, I'm sure that it mustn't have been a nice day at the work for people in Maintenance!
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:34 am

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 17):
Even that report you are referring to was about an incident over two years ago.
Maybe, the engineers wanted to work those extra hours...?

Extra hours are no doubt always appreciated but in the previous case those were exceptionally long hours being worked. There is a huge shortage of engineers and its not being talked about.
 
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RE: BA A380 Ingests A Wheel Chock!

Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:07 am

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 17):
Very Interesting how people jump to conclusions on here...
Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 17):
Was told RR were working on the engine, carrying out tests, and used a chock(for what ever reason) to stop the blades spinning on #1., instead of the correct piece of equipment.

So, Yes, Shoddy work.

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