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BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:24 pm

BA are to launch a LGW-San Jose, Costa Rica service.

Initially twice weekly then 3x weekly. 777 operating.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ys-to-launch-flights-to-costa-rica

Nice to see further expansion.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:34 pm

Quoting seansasLCY (Thread starter):
Nice to see further expansion.

Indeed. Good for BA.


Hope San Jose, CR will be a successful route for them.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:44 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
Hope San Jose, CR will be a successful route for them.

So that makes two European routes from SJO, right? Both are OneWorld: IB to MAD and now BA to LGW. Should be interesting, I'm not sure Costa Rica ranks high as a tourist destination for the British in general but maybe there is an opportunity here. Plenty of Britons travel to Mexican resorts...
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:45 pm

No way! I was not expecting this. This has been an incredible year for Costa Rica.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:15 pm

Don't suppose it will be long after service launch that some Brit will turn up at LGW for this flight expecting to fly to SJC California.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:55 pm

That's good news. Now this year there's no slack in the Gatwick 772 fleet so one of the following must be happening:
Extra 772 transferred from LHR (in which case look for extra destinations or frequencies to make the week's work up)
or
Existing 772 flights from LGW cut back to free up two aircraft-days for these new operations
or (most likely in my opinion)
Two days worth of existing 772 flights from Gatwick transferred to Heathrow freeing up aircraft for these new flights to operate (on Wednesdays and Saturdays these could be chosen from Tampa, Bridgetown Barbados, Saint Lucia, Antigua, Orlando, Las Vegas, Bermuda, Cancun which all operate both days).
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 5):
Existing 772 flights from LGW cut back to free up two aircraft-days for these new operations

Most likely IMO.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:01 pm

How is the new terminal at SJO? It was a total cluster before.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:22 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
How is the new terminal at SJO? It was a total cluster before.

I was there in June - my first time to Costa Rica, a great country BTW - and the SJO terminal was fine. The facility was busy but no worse than quite a few airports in the USA that I can think of...I know San Jose is pushing forward with plans for a new airport and SJO as we know it will eventually close. With all of these new flights (WN, now BA, etc.), space will become an issue for sure at the current facility.

The only black mark on the SJO departure experience was the whole exit taxes arrangement. For US airlines at least, these are included in tickets purchased after April 25 (or so) but airport officials were still sending customers to the payment queue (aka toll booth) set up on one side of the terminal. It's annoying to wait in a line to pay exit taxes, it's doubly annoying to wait in a line to find out that you don't need to pay the taxes.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 2):
So that makes two European routes from SJO, right?

Condor also has flights to SJO from FRA.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:27 pm

BA served SJO for a bit back in the late 1990s as part of an agreement with Flying Colours. These aircraft had a 3x4x3 configuration in World Traveller.

I like the SJO terminal. It is aesthetically pleasing and easy to use.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:29 pm

what happened to that 772 that went to the Maldives as that is only winter now
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:35 pm

Gazdon121
During the summer there are extra frequencies to Orlando and in the winter mores services to Bridgetown. If nothing else changes destination and frequency wise
there may be another Gatwick based 777 from May 2016.

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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:53 pm

Excellent news! That gives us choice and makes competition on cheap IB or Condor to get directly there from Europe! I personally preferred to fly via AMS or CDG/PTY than IB !
CM has succeeded in becoming a major continental airline and thus PTY a big hub for the american continent! No wonder why KL, AF, TP and LH fly there!
SJO has been totally left aside by Avianca, so nice to see a new non charter european airline fly directly !
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:54 pm

There is an extra 772 coming from LHR bringing LGW upto 11 aircraft based there from next summer. This was detailed on an internal email that a friend had forwarded onto me. This is the first of new routes and extra frequencies to be announced as per the email..
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting FCAA321 (Reply 14):
There is an extra 772 coming from LHR bringing LGW upto 11 aircraft based there from next summer. This was detailed on an internal email that a friend had forwarded onto me. This is the first of new routes and extra frequencies to be announced as per the email..

Even better news, then.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 15):

BUT, BUT, BUT, That a/c could have been used to launch Portland!     
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:45 pm

Wild card here but do u think we could see Cuba??
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:07 pm

Havana was operated by AML in the BA past was it not? Also, wasn't VS081/082 a San Jose operation from LGW as a tag on? I'll dig the details out but they ran it winter seasonal for two years from memory.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:20 pm

Does BA have the biggest Caribbean /America operation at LGW (America meaning holiday destinations)
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:25 pm

This nicely coincides with Norwegian launching flights to San Jose. BA are clearly monitoring them closely.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:32 pm

Interesting that they seem to be making this about the UK-based O&D. Tons of ex pats in Costa Rica, and they tend to have decent income.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):
Don't suppose it will be long after service launch that some Brit will turn up at LGW for this flight expecting to fly to SJC California.

Only this would be a pleasant difference from SJC.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 18):
Havana was operated by AML in the BA past was it not?

As was San Jose, Costa Rica! Havana might be a good choice, unless the threatened transfer of NAS and GCM from LHR is going to happen.

Quoting FCAA321 (Reply 14):
There is an extra 772 coming from LHR bringing LGW upto 11 aircraft based there from next summer. This was detailed on an internal email that a friend had forwarded onto me.

Any indication as to whether this will be a three class or four class bird? Just wondering if we'll see another GE bird reconfigured to join G-VIIO/P/R/T/U.

With regards routes, checking ba.com we get: -

MCO - twice daily (2 aircraft)
TPA - daily (1 aircraft)
BDA - daily (1 aircraft)
ANU - daily (1 aircraft) with tags to Tobago(Mon/Fri), St Kitts (Wed/Sat) and Providenciales (Thu/Sun)
UVF - daily (1 aircraft) with tags to Port of Spain (Wed/Sat excepted) and Grenada (Wed/Sat)
BGI - daily (1 aircraft)

That ties up 7 aircraft on the daily flights, leaving 4 aircraft to cover: -

MRU - Tue/Thu/Sat evening from LGW (Wed/Fri/Sun return from MRU, arr LGW Mon/Thu/Sat a.m.)
SJO - Wed/Sat
CUN - Mon/Wed/Sat
PUJ - Thu/Sun
KIN - Tue/Fri/Sun
LAS - Mon/Wed/Sat

That makes in total:

Mon - 9 departures = 2 spare aircraft
Tue - 9 departures = 2 spare aircraft
Wed - 10 departures plus 1 aircraft out on the Tue p.m. MRU flight (due back Thu a.m.) = 0 spare aircraft
Thu - 9 departures = 2 spare aircraft
Fri - 8 departures plus 1 out on the Thu p.m. MRU flight (due back Sat a.m.) = 2 spare aircraft
Sat - 11 departures = 0 spare aircraft
Sun - 9 departures plus 1 out on the Sat p.m. MRU flight (due back Mon a.m.) = 1 spare aircraft

So there is no spare capacity to add flights on a Wed or Sat. Depending on what maintenance BA want to do on the LGW 777 fleet during layovers it looks like at least four or five flights could be added in the week. That's enough to transfer NAS/GCM from LHR or add two new destinations from LGW with 2/3 weekly frequencies.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:05 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 20):

This nicely coincides with Norwegian launching flights to San Jose. BA are clearly monitoring them closely.


Huh? Why? The two have absolutely zilch, zero, nada, nothing to connect them..   
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 23):
Huh? Why? The two have absolutely zilch, zero, nada, nothing to connect them..  

Because BA are actively watching any competition.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:41 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 20):
This nicely coincides with Norwegian launching flights to San Jose. BA are clearly monitoring them closely.

Norwegian are starting San JUAN not San Jose.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:00 pm

Norwegian will also start B737-800 operations in winter from PTP and FDF to BMI, BOS, JFK! French West Indies to USA!
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting Wolverhampton (Reply 24):

Because BA are actively watching any competition.


Of course they are, but San Jose has bugger all to do with San Juan.

Oh, and BA long haul at LGW is profitable whilst that Norwegian outfit is not.

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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting FCAA321 (Reply 14):
This is the first of new routes and extra frequencies to be announced as per the email.

Interesting. Any hints on the regions they'd be launched to?


Quoting gkirk (Reply 16):
BUT, BUT, BUT, That a/c could have been used to launch Portland!

    
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:19 am

Twice-weekly service means high crew costs as crews will have to spend 3 or 4 nights in SJO.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:48 am

Excellent news !
Comprehensive schedule for the very beginning:

BA 2137......LGW 11:00........14:50 SJO........We, Sa
BA 2136......SJO 16:20.....09:35+1 LGW.......We, Sa




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Quoting richierich (Reply 2):
So that makes two European routes from SJO, right? Both are OneWorld: IB to MAD and now BA to LGW

Condor: DE FRA-SDQ-SJO 2x weekly with 767.




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Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):
some Brit will turn up at LGW for this flight expecting to fly to SJC California.

Please, give some credit to Costa Rica.
I've recently watched the news on TV and local authorities had been pursuing this flight due to the large component of the European tourism in my country.
IB SJO-MAD 7x weekly has been working successfully for the Spaniard airline and OneWorld.




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Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
How is the new terminal at SJO?

Remodeling still in progress.




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Quoting richierich (Reply 8):
San Jose is pushing forward with plans for a new airport and SJO as we know it will eventually close.

Don't get excited. No more than a project.
I've been hearing for the new airport more than 20 years ago and nothing has been materialized yet.



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Quoting richierich (Reply 8):
The only black mark on the SJO departure experience was the whole exit taxes arrangement.

Agreed.
It's terrible !

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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:34 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 25):

Norwegian are starting San JUAN not San Jose.

Ok, oops! My other half told me they were both doing San Jose and I posted here without Googling to verify. Schoolboy error.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 27):

Of course they are, but San Jose has bugger all to do with San Juan.

Oh, and BA long haul at LGW is profitable whilst that Norwegian outfit is not.

Rgds

Is it not? A quick Google tells me that they are operating at a profit into 2015 with very healthy load factors, 2014 was clearly a difficult year for them but everyone has to start somewhere. They also continue to open new routes, so it can't be that bad!
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:36 pm

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Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 31):
Is it not? A quick Google tells me that they are operating at a profit into 2015 with very healthy load factors, 2014 was clearly a difficult year for them but everyone has to start somewhere. They also continue to open new routes, so it can't be that bad!

There was some figures recently that showed a very low yield on their routes out of LGW. Additionally just because an airline is opening new routes it doesn't automatically follow that they are making money. History shows that many airlines never achieve a decent return on investors cash.

The figures I'm seeing via a Google search are showing a huge loss on the balance sheet for 2014.

[Edited 2015-08-06 07:44:10]
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:07 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 32):

There was some figures recently that showed a very low yield on their routes out of LGW. Additionally just because an airline is opening new routes it doesn't automatically follow that they are making money. History shows that many airlines never achieve a decent return on investors cash.

The figures I'm seeing via a Google search are showing a huge loss on the balance sheet for 2014.

The 2014 ones were the ones I referred to with the large loss, Q2 2015 reports a return to profit.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:24 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
as crews will have to spend 3 or 4 nights in SJO.

Ahhhh, poor things.  
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:26 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 8):
I was there in June - my first time to Costa Rica, a great country BTW - and the SJO terminal was fine. The facility was busy but no worse than quite a few airports in the USA that I can think of...I know San Jose is pushing forward with plans for a new airport and SJO as we know it will eventually close. With all of these new flights (WN, now BA, etc.), space will become an issue for sure at the current facility.

As long as IB isn't there, they can use the same gate IB uses. Otherwise, they can still go to the remote ramp. The big problem is probably the wingspan, as the part of taxiway Delta between exits Alpha 1 and Bravo, are probably not wide enough for a 777's wingspan.

Quoting Miami (Reply 9):

Condor also has flights to SJO from FRA.

DE caters pretty much only to tourists, plus the flight goes via SDQ both ways. LGW-SJO has the potential to be more than just a leisure flight. Don't want to sound overconfident, but if things work out better than expected, why not eventually move the flight to LHR? In any case, starting May 4th, SJO has two nonstop destinations in Europe with MAD and LGW.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:18 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):
Please, give some credit to Costa Rica.

Sorry, you missed the point. It's that some dimwit amongst the UK public trying to be clever and booking themselves is bound to get the cities mixed up. It's happened before - an idiot thinking they were flying to GRX Spain were on a flight to GND Caribbean, and that couple that turned up at BHX with what they though was a cheap flight ticket to Florida booked themselves from BHM.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 37):
Sorry, you missed the point. It's that some dimwit amongst the UK public trying to be clever and booking themselves is bound to get the cities mixed up. It's happened before - an idiot thinking they were flying to GRX Spain were on a flight to GND Caribbean, and that couple that turned up at BHX with what they though was a cheap flight ticket to Florida booked themselves from BHM.

Let's not forget the guy who wanted to fly to SYD and ended up somewhere in Canada.   
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:32 pm

I know someone who booked a Ryanair flight ro Rodez (France) when they actually needed to go to Rhodes (Greece).
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:48 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):
Remodeling still in progress.

remodelling is never ending.

Interesting route choice for BA, there are some fantastic areas of Costa Rica, I just hope the chavs don't figure out that it can be a very cheap exotic get away, the last thing SJO needs is being turned into a mini Bangkok.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 31):
Is it not? A quick Google tells me that they are operating at a profit into 2015 with very healthy load factors, 2014 was clearly a difficult year for them but everyone has to start somewhere. They also continue to open new routes, so it can't be that bad!

Sorry, my previous post suggested things were not that bad.

They are.

Norwegian's second quarter results were posted and discussed at length on here just three weeks ago. Long haul continues to run at a significant loss if you take the time to download the report and look past the comments of Norwegian's a.net PR press release officer.  Norwegian’s 2 Q Results /60 % Growth On Longhaul (by Mortyman Jul 16 2015 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:13 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 22):
Mon - 9 departures = 2 spare aircraft
Tue - 9 departures = 2 spare aircraft
Wed - 10 departures plus 1 aircraft out on the Tue p.m. MRU flight (due back Thu a.m.) = 0 spare aircraft
Thu - 9 departures = 2 spare aircraft
Fri - 8 departures plus 1 out on the Thu p.m. MRU flight (due back Sat a.m.) = 2 spare aircraft
Sat - 11 departures = 0 spare aircraft
Sun - 9 departures plus 1 out on the Sat p.m. MRU flight (due back Mon a.m.) = 1 spare aircraft

So there is no spare capacity to add flights on a Wed or Sat. Depending on what maintenance BA want to do on the LGW 777 fleet during layovers it looks like at least four or five flights could be added in the week. That's enough to transfer NAS/GCM from LHR or add two new destinations from LGW with 2/3 weekly frequencies.

These facts are very useful to know for PTY hub (CM) and The Panama Tourist Authority.
But it's IB who would decide if BA is to fly LGW-PTY.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
But it's IB who would decide if BA is to fly LGW-PTY.

I expect it would be the IAG board that would decide not the IB board - if its perceived to be good for IAG overall I expect it would be allowed, even if one of the constituent airlines that make up IAG thinks its detrimental to them in some way.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:16 pm

Quoting FCAA321 (Reply 14):
This is the first of new routes and extra frequencies to be announced as per the email..

IF this is fact, great to hear.

There were a couple of folks -- or was it just one? -- on a recent thread or two, causing strong debate by insisting that due to fleet status, retirements, new deliveries, mx, etc., there was NO possibility what-so-ever that BA would start any new routes or be able to grow any existing ones until, what, late 2016 or 2017? It rarely holds true to speak in absolutes, including in aviation!

Again, with the assumption that this email mentioned above is full of fact and not just rumor, I hope that perhaps the recent rumors of some level of increased capacity between LHR and SAN might really happen! (No timeline is mentioned of course.)

  

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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
or was it just one? -- on a recent thread or two, causing strong debate by insisting that due to fleet status, retirements, new deliveries, mx, etc., there was NO possibility what-so-ever that BA would start any new routes or be able to grow any existing ones until, what, late 2016 or 2017?

  

Which of course never really made sense in such context.... though to be fair, I do believe that that person left the caveat of new routes at the possible expense of extant frequencies.

[Edited 2015-08-06 16:41:48]
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:22 am

Summary of the facts that the Ministry of Tourism of Costa Rica stated to boost the imminent resumption of BA LGW-SJO 2x weekly next year:
The percentage of the European tourism in Costa Rica raised up to 48% throughout the filter period 2009-2014.
Europe was ranked in the third place followed by the United States and Central America, in terms of the tourism from abroad in Costa Rica. It overtook South America and the Caribbean.
The European visitors spent 15 days here, representing more than the general average of visitors consisting in 12 days.
BA already flew to San Jose twice a week from 1998-2000 or so. I cannot remember it correctly.
Furthermore, over the past ten years, there has been a shortage of non-stop flights to Costa Rica: First Choice Airways offered a series of 23 weekly flights in 2008 and Thomson Airways supplied nine weekly flights in 2010 and 17 in 2011, all of which were between London Gatwick and Liberia, the primary leisure destination of Costa Rica.
Rumour has it that Thompson will deploy the 787 Dreamliner into the LGW-LIR next year.




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Quoting TC957 (Reply 36):
they were flying to GRX Spain were on a flight to GND Caribbean, and that couple that turned up at BHX with what they though was a cheap flight ticket to Florida booked themselves from BHM.

Point taken.  




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Quoting jetwet1 (Reply 39):
remodelling is never ending.

I cannot debate it.
The lounge commonly utilized at SJO by the 340 on IB MAD-SJO is being affected by these works at this time.
No more lounges to attend two wide-body planes simultaneously by now.

Regards.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:18 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
There were a couple of folks -- or was it just one? -- on a recent thread or two, causing strong debate by insisting that due to fleet status, retirements, new deliveries, mx, etc., there was NO possibility what-so-ever that BA would start any new routes or be able to grow any existing ones until, what, late 2016 or 2017? It rarely holds true to speak in absolutes, including in aviation!
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 44):
Which of course never really made sense in such context.... though to be fair, I do believe that that person left the caveat of new routes at the possible expense of extant frequencies

Yes, I did say there was no slack to start new routes in the short term (W15 or the beginning of S16) unless capacity was freed up by reductions elsewhere. LAX772LR correctly pointed out that this could be created not just by BA cancelling routes or frequencies altogether, but also by transferring work to JV partners.
In practice, BA has since cancelled what is one weeks' work for a 763, by suspending ATA and EBB from mid-October, and the 789 that (via a fleet reshuffle) would have replaced it is still arriving. So if they wanted to, there will be a plane to launch new routes or add frequency in W15, though it's getting rather late to announce anything.

Even better news is that the 789s scheduled for delivery in 2016/2017 are likely to be arriving earlier than allowed for in BA's previous planning. By the start of the S16 timetable there should be 9 available, from this year's and the start of next year's deliveries, along with 2 more A388s, while 3 744s and 3 763s will have left. so there's a real prospect of not just the extra 772's worth of flying at LGW but more long-haul flights from LHR too.
During the summer timetable 2016 current plans are for another 3 744s and 4 763s to retire (marking the end of intercontinental 763 service) while 4 789s and an A388 arive, so by my reckoning that's 16 new planes in and 13 out over the next 14 months, plus the plane freed up by the ATA/EBB suspensions, so 4 available for new routes or frequencies, one of which would be used at Gatwick. This is a significant (though not huge) improvement on the previous net increase of 1 plane, but obviously means that there will be less room for growth in 2017 instead. As the LHR slots are effectively available now and various slot-sitting short-haul flights are keeping them warm, the sooner the long haul routes can begin, the better.
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:11 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 45):
Rumour has it that Thompson will deploy the 787 Dreamliner into the LGW-LIR next year.

It is not rumour it is fact. Starts this coming November...
 
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:15 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 45):
BA already flew to San Jose twice a week from 1998-2000 or so. I cannot remember it correctly.

Little note on this: The original flight was operated with a DC-10 they obtained through the takeover of British Caledonian, in the end the flight changed to a 77E. And IIRC, the flight had an intermediate stop in GCM.
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RE: BA To Launch LGW- San Jose, Costa Rica

Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:44 pm

Quoting andy33 (Reply 46):
Yes, I did say there was no slack to start new routes in the short term (W15 or the beginning of S16) unless capacity was freed up by reductions elsewhere. LAX772LR correctly pointed out that this could be created not just by BA cancelling routes or frequencies altogether, but also by transferring work to JV partners.
In practice, BA has since cancelled what is one weeks' work for a 763, by suspending ATA and EBB from mid-October, and the 789 that (via a fleet reshuffle) would have replaced it is still arriving. So if they wanted to, there will be a plane to launch new routes or add frequency in W15, though it's getting rather late to announce anything.

Even better news is that the 789s scheduled for delivery in 2016/2017 are likely to be arriving earlier than allowed for in BA's previous planning. By the start of the S16 timetable there should be 9 available, from this year's and the start of next year's deliveries, along with 2 more A388s, while 3 744s and 3 763s will have left. so there's a real prospect of not just the extra 772's worth of flying at LGW but more long-haul flights from LHR too.
During the summer timetable 2016 current plans are for another 3 744s and 4 763s to retire (marking the end of intercontinental 763 service) while 4 789s and an A388 arive, so by my reckoning that's 16 new planes in and 13 out over the next 14 months, plus the plane freed up by the ATA/EBB suspensions, so 4 available for new routes or frequencies, one of which would be used at Gatwick. This is a significant (though not huge) improvement on the previous net increase of 1 plane, but obviously means that there will be less room for growth in 2017 instead. As the LHR slots are effectively available now and various slot-sitting short-haul flights are keeping them warm, the sooner the long haul routes can begin, the better.

Would possibly suggest that knowing the Little Red slots are coming back BA has started adjusted the flight schedule accordingly. Until they knew if those slots would come back, or if they would end up with Virgin permanently, it was probably a little harder to decide exactly what to do.
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